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Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 12 2013 02:25 GMT
#782
rofl Wave

gg hapa

Anyways, I'm interested in ShiaoPi's reads atm, as I said Stutters post is pretty good and so I'm willing to go with that for now.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 12 2013 02:27 GMT
#785
On June 12 2013 11:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
btw if BH needlessly tries to start an argument again ill probably shoot him due to his spammy/useless playstyle as scum. He keeps trying to drive away reason in favor of bitchfights


#OneManHoldsAllThePowers

Don't shoot randomly thanks.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 12 2013 07:15 GMT
#852
@GK: Why are you suggesting to waste a dayvig shot on me when the only reason you have is that I've been lurkier than others? You literally say before your 'analysis' on me that you think BH is scum and yet somehow I'm a more decent target for shooting? Ok..
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 12 2013 13:35 GMT
#865
On June 12 2013 16:47 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 16:15 Sylencia wrote:
@GK: Why are you suggesting to waste a dayvig shot on me when the only reason you have is that I've been lurkier than others? You literally say before your 'analysis' on me that you think BH is scum and yet somehow I'm a more decent target for shooting? Ok..


I said you were flying under the radar, and that when you are here you seem to be content to agree with a stance here and there and not really add anything. It's not about your "lurkiness," but what you aren't doing when you are here.

I'm assuming from what Vayne has said he plans to use his vig shot today. Therefore, we need to determine two scum candidates for this cycle.


None of this really is that difficult to understand. While you're here, would you mind providing an opinion on anything?

Or more specifically, perhaps elaborate on your top scumread?


If Vayne wants to use it as a shot, why aren't we lynching a top suspect first, and shooting during the night? Unless there's some sort of claim that can only be checked by death, I don't see a reason why it should be rushed so. (I'm not reading the power wrong, right?)

My top read at the time you posted was ShiaoPi, as I said I agreed with a lot of the points made by Stutters. I made that clear end of last night. I haven't fully digested ShiaoPi's response yet, but if I'm wrong on that account, my previous statement feels good:

On June 12 2013 01:24 Sylencia wrote:
@Oats: If GK doesn't have anything in the next 24 hours, I'd be willing to put money on a lurker scum team - something like him + stutters (maybe +1 if there's a third). The only one that sticks out is Blazinghand for causing chaos for no reason but idk if that's his playstyle - please fill me in there. Reasoning is everything has run too smoothly and there haven't felt like there have been any sort of misdirections so far. We had a blue claim on day 1, so having some sort of mayor takeover would be a pretty good idea in Day 1 for scum to take, as they can reliably target Vayne with no consequence. If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, everyone just says someone protected him, and no one suspects the mayor. None of this happened, so unless Hapa is scum, everyone active seems town. Any problem with my reasoning?


For catching up, only having an analysis of 4 players (2 of which seem like afterthoughts), and a weak scumread based a lot on meta is pretty bad. I've heard from BH enough that you have slow starts, but idk define slow start, how long is it going to take to get the ball rolling, and out of all the players how is it that you've got thoughts on 2 lurky players over someone with a lot more points to consider such as Grav/WoS and Oats?

About GravityMan - I am also missing what is obvious about him that makes him scum according to BH, but the only point i"ll take from it is that he is the only one who disrupted Hapa's mayoral campaign with a sort of smear campaign against him. You can make reasons for why he did it if he's scum (potentially take power, and make hapa a suspect), but since that failed, would scum have chosen Hapa as the target of the NK over Vayne to clearly show that? Food for thought, seeing as that was the only real 'major' event that happened regarding mayoral campaigns.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 12 2013 15:04 GMT
#876
hooray, similar thoughts to others!
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 11:57 GMT
#1072
On June 13 2013 09:07 goodkarma wrote:
Catching up with the thread now. The first thing I'd like to address is this Syl post:

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2013 22:35 Sylencia wrote:
On June 12 2013 16:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 12 2013 16:15 Sylencia wrote:
@GK: Why are you suggesting to waste a dayvig shot on me when the only reason you have is that I've been lurkier than others? You literally say before your 'analysis' on me that you think BH is scum and yet somehow I'm a more decent target for shooting? Ok..


I said you were flying under the radar, and that when you are here you seem to be content to agree with a stance here and there and not really add anything. It's not about your "lurkiness," but what you aren't doing when you are here.

I'm assuming from what Vayne has said he plans to use his vig shot today. Therefore, we need to determine two scum candidates for this cycle.


None of this really is that difficult to understand. While you're here, would you mind providing an opinion on anything?

Or more specifically, perhaps elaborate on your top scumread?


If Vayne wants to use it as a shot, why aren't we lynching a top suspect first, and shooting during the night? Unless there's some sort of claim that can only be checked by death, I don't see a reason why it should be rushed so. (I'm not reading the power wrong, right?)

My top read at the time you posted was ShiaoPi, as I said I agreed with a lot of the points made by Stutters. I made that clear end of last night. I haven't fully digested ShiaoPi's response yet, but if I'm wrong on that account, my previous statement feels good:

On June 12 2013 01:24 Sylencia wrote:
@Oats: If GK doesn't have anything in the next 24 hours, I'd be willing to put money on a lurker scum team - something like him + stutters (maybe +1 if there's a third). The only one that sticks out is Blazinghand for causing chaos for no reason but idk if that's his playstyle - please fill me in there. Reasoning is everything has run too smoothly and there haven't felt like there have been any sort of misdirections so far. We had a blue claim on day 1, so having some sort of mayor takeover would be a pretty good idea in Day 1 for scum to take, as they can reliably target Vayne with no consequence. If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, everyone just says someone protected him, and no one suspects the mayor. None of this happened, so unless Hapa is scum, everyone active seems town. Any problem with my reasoning?


For catching up, only having an analysis of 4 players (2 of which seem like afterthoughts), and a weak scumread based a lot on meta is pretty bad. I've heard from BH enough that you have slow starts, but idk define slow start, how long is it going to take to get the ball rolling, and out of all the players how is it that you've got thoughts on 2 lurky players over someone with a lot more points to consider such as Grav/WoS and Oats?

About GravityMan - I am also missing what is obvious about him that makes him scum according to BH, but the only point i"ll take from it is that he is the only one who disrupted Hapa's mayoral campaign with a sort of smear campaign against him. You can make reasons for why he did it if he's scum (potentially take power, and make hapa a suspect), but since that failed, would scum have chosen Hapa as the target of the NK over Vayne to clearly show that? Food for thought, seeing as that was the only real 'major' event that happened regarding mayoral campaigns.


First of all, the entire point of mentioning a good vigishot for Vayne is we should be treating this cycle like a doublelynch, as Hapa originally suggested. Even if Vayne opts to wait until the night to shoot, by discussing this now we have that much more information to go on in later cycles. For that reason, everyone should be doing this.

So you can't be bothered to review the latest posting of your top scumread, and you fall back on proposing a lurker scumteam if your top read convinces you he's town??? Explain to me how that isn't scum-motivated behavior?

Further, I provided a read on Grav in the post you're referencing, so it's clear you aren't reading the thread very closely. This is the kind of disinterest I'd expect from scum. I still believe you'd be a good vigi shot.


The fact I can actually rely on something which I believed to have been true from the night before shows the actual lack of contribution that you had brought to the table to this point. If I say you're scummy during N1, and you do nothing to change that view in D2, you're saying it's scum oriented for me to say I still think you're scum? Also yes, turns out I ended up thinking you did an analysis on GK which is yourself (it made perfect sense at the time somehow -_-).

In any case:

- Axle: How has this guy been able to fly under the radar this entire game? As far as I've read there's been very little suspicious cast on him, he's been questioned about his reads in which he's tip toed around the problem:

On June 13 2013 08:23 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 07:59 GravityMan wrote:
Axle, who do YOU think is scum?
We haven't had very many reads from you this game at all, just analysis and questions.


There is the obvious list, of people who have not contributed much.
There is the obvious list of turning Hapas list upside down and saying that.

One thing i dont want to do is get all in a low post count townies face, and shut them down.
So I wont be doing that.

The least clear intention I have is you. I see what "looks" like a tendency to Lynch BH for being BH.
I see posts that could well inflame him and make his ego come to the fore as town or scum.
This could have been their intention, or not.


It alludes to him suspecting GM (pretty much confirmed to be saying he suspects GM next post), but he doesn't push it at all. He said he doesn't want to shut a lurker down, but GM is far from a lurker, so why wouldn't he push a case there?

If there's someone in this game who is a prime example of being neutral on pretty much everything, it's Axle.

BH has been doing a lot of talking without a lot of pushing, but I'm pretty sure that Axle is a better option over BH. After a slow first half of Day 1, I think if BH was scum he'd easily adapt into a less active role in the game. He brings up points I don't think anyone else would be doing otherwise (possible VA fakeclaim etc.) and just by doing that I feel it's enough to justify keeping him around for longer. Without BH this town will be a dead town, with little to no deviation in thoughts.

GK I'm still willing to put my vote on him, idk how slow a start can be, but even his vote on BH didn't have any substance to it.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 11:57 GMT
#1073
Shiao: If you're around, let's talk about stuff and things and flowers
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 14:01 GMT
#1077
Haha crap I like how I say let's discuss and then forget and play dota.

@Shiao: Stutters is fine, his end of n1/d2 play has been pretty solid. I'm pretty null on you though.

@Oats, what are you thoughts on Axle, and why not push GK more rather than switching to GM? I feel more towards voting for GK than GM personally
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 14:11 GMT
#1080
On June 13 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im talking to GK about lynching someone today.
He wouldnt want to lynch himself right?

I want GK to die. But no one seems to be interested

Axle has been way more relevent than in the one scum game Ive played with him and he has been almost the most active person in the game with occasional good insights. Im not lynching him ever.


Oh right, and idk, does Blazinghand not take the most active award with occasional good insights?
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 14:41 GMT
#1082
In any case, things look grim with BH being the one up for vote, I'm moving mine to gk for now
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 15:17 GMT
#1085
I'm pretty sure I've stated a few times already that I think goodkarma is someone I would like to see lynched. His case is weak, he calls for a shot on me for being a lurker when he's the exact same, and replacements should generally have stronger reads than the original players - they're coming into the game with a fresh mindset, in this case day 1 and actually night 1 is all fresh for him. Either we've missed nothing or his read to catch up wasn't a very thorough read.

As for you, why were you so hesistant to just outright say who you suspected when asked, it looks suspicious on your part because there's no reason to dodge as town, despite what you said about not wanting the quieter members to be quiet.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 15:18 GMT
#1086
EBWOP: To be more quiet* (by accusation)
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 15:48 GMT
#1089
On June 14 2013 00:38 GravityMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 20:57 Sylencia wrote:
On June 13 2013 09:07 goodkarma wrote:
Catching up with the thread now. The first thing I'd like to address is this Syl post:

On June 12 2013 22:35 Sylencia wrote:
On June 12 2013 16:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 12 2013 16:15 Sylencia wrote:
@GK: Why are you suggesting to waste a dayvig shot on me when the only reason you have is that I've been lurkier than others? You literally say before your 'analysis' on me that you think BH is scum and yet somehow I'm a more decent target for shooting? Ok..


I said you were flying under the radar, and that when you are here you seem to be content to agree with a stance here and there and not really add anything. It's not about your "lurkiness," but what you aren't doing when you are here.

I'm assuming from what Vayne has said he plans to use his vig shot today. Therefore, we need to determine two scum candidates for this cycle.


None of this really is that difficult to understand. While you're here, would you mind providing an opinion on anything?

Or more specifically, perhaps elaborate on your top scumread?


If Vayne wants to use it as a shot, why aren't we lynching a top suspect first, and shooting during the night? Unless there's some sort of claim that can only be checked by death, I don't see a reason why it should be rushed so. (I'm not reading the power wrong, right?)

My top read at the time you posted was ShiaoPi, as I said I agreed with a lot of the points made by Stutters. I made that clear end of last night. I haven't fully digested ShiaoPi's response yet, but if I'm wrong on that account, my previous statement feels good:

On June 12 2013 01:24 Sylencia wrote:
@Oats: If GK doesn't have anything in the next 24 hours, I'd be willing to put money on a lurker scum team - something like him + stutters (maybe +1 if there's a third). The only one that sticks out is Blazinghand for causing chaos for no reason but idk if that's his playstyle - please fill me in there. Reasoning is everything has run too smoothly and there haven't felt like there have been any sort of misdirections so far. We had a blue claim on day 1, so having some sort of mayor takeover would be a pretty good idea in Day 1 for scum to take, as they can reliably target Vayne with no consequence. If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, everyone just says someone protected him, and no one suspects the mayor. None of this happened, so unless Hapa is scum, everyone active seems town. Any problem with my reasoning?


For catching up, only having an analysis of 4 players (2 of which seem like afterthoughts), and a weak scumread based a lot on meta is pretty bad. I've heard from BH enough that you have slow starts, but idk define slow start, how long is it going to take to get the ball rolling, and out of all the players how is it that you've got thoughts on 2 lurky players over someone with a lot more points to consider such as Grav/WoS and Oats?

About GravityMan - I am also missing what is obvious about him that makes him scum according to BH, but the only point i"ll take from it is that he is the only one who disrupted Hapa's mayoral campaign with a sort of smear campaign against him. You can make reasons for why he did it if he's scum (potentially take power, and make hapa a suspect), but since that failed, would scum have chosen Hapa as the target of the NK over Vayne to clearly show that? Food for thought, seeing as that was the only real 'major' event that happened regarding mayoral campaigns.


First of all, the entire point of mentioning a good vigishot for Vayne is we should be treating this cycle like a doublelynch, as Hapa originally suggested. Even if Vayne opts to wait until the night to shoot, by discussing this now we have that much more information to go on in later cycles. For that reason, everyone should be doing this.

So you can't be bothered to review the latest posting of your top scumread, and you fall back on proposing a lurker scumteam if your top read convinces you he's town??? Explain to me how that isn't scum-motivated behavior?

Further, I provided a read on Grav in the post you're referencing, so it's clear you aren't reading the thread very closely. This is the kind of disinterest I'd expect from scum. I still believe you'd be a good vigi shot.


The fact I can actually rely on something which I believed to have been true from the night before shows the actual lack of contribution that you had brought to the table to this point. If I say you're scummy during N1, and you do nothing to change that view in D2, you're saying it's scum oriented for me to say I still think you're scum? Also yes, turns out I ended up thinking you did an analysis on GK which is yourself (it made perfect sense at the time somehow -_-).

In any case:

- Axle: How has this guy been able to fly under the radar this entire game? As far as I've read there's been very little suspicious cast on him, he's been questioned about his reads in which he's tip toed around the problem:

On June 13 2013 08:23 AxleGreaser wrote:
On June 13 2013 07:59 GravityMan wrote:
Axle, who do YOU think is scum?
We haven't had very many reads from you this game at all, just analysis and questions.


There is the obvious list, of people who have not contributed much.
There is the obvious list of turning Hapas list upside down and saying that.

One thing i dont want to do is get all in a low post count townies face, and shut them down.
So I wont be doing that.

The least clear intention I have is you. I see what "looks" like a tendency to Lynch BH for being BH.
I see posts that could well inflame him and make his ego come to the fore as town or scum.
This could have been their intention, or not.


It alludes to him suspecting GM (pretty much confirmed to be saying he suspects GM next post), but he doesn't push it at all. He said he doesn't want to shut a lurker down, but GM is far from a lurker, so why wouldn't he push a case there?

If there's someone in this game who is a prime example of being neutral on pretty much everything, it's Axle.

BH has been doing a lot of talking without a lot of pushing, but I'm pretty sure that Axle is a better option over BH. After a slow first half of Day 1, I think if BH was scum he'd easily adapt into a less active role in the game. He brings up points I don't think anyone else would be doing otherwise (possible VA fakeclaim etc.) and just by doing that I feel it's enough to justify keeping him around for longer. Without BH this town will be a dead town, with little to no deviation in thoughts.

GK I'm still willing to put my vote on him, idk how slow a start can be, but even his vote on BH didn't have any substance to it.

This is terrible honestly.
Axle seems like the towniest town that ever towned, and this case misrepresents him entirely. I'm not sure why people are letting this go.
He votes him based on the fact that Axle has been flying under the radar, and that he supposedly calls me a lurker? (hint: he's not referring to me)
That's his entire reasoning. The whole thing in that one post.

Why is Sylencia getting away with that exactly?
I mean I'm not a fan of Axle right now because he's tunneled me for about half the game but at least he's doing it in a reasonable way' I don't see scum pushing a read like he has with the analysis that he's done, and I've played with scum Axle before.

Now I have to get to Axle's case on me....sigh.


I completely understand he wasn't referring to you. I explained that because the lurker statement was irrelevant to you, why would he have to hold back on unleashing any sort of case on you? You don't feel like he was holding back at all when he made that post?
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 16:04 GMT
#1091
Because it's fairly clear that I'm the only one who had thought of Axle that way pretty quickly. I'm still putting him in the possible scum pile though.

Oatsmaster
Blazinghand
Stutters695
VayneAuthority
GravityMan
ShiaoPi
AxleGreaser
Goodkarma

Town->scum order for me is some sort of rough order like this, a lot of them are close though. The fact Vayne is so damn low for a cop claim is pretty retarded though.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 13 2013 16:15 GMT
#1094
BH is towny for me because I feel like he's actually contributing even after cutting out the fluff, and the fact he questions what we normally wouldn't question (a cop claim) would probably be too strong of a move to be doing as scum. Naturally could be some genius plan to roleblock Vayne to infinity and then question his claim when he's still alive later and push a mislynch on him, but that's pretty thin.

Vayne should be higher, but man, honestly if you take away his cop claim I don't feel anything from him.

Anyways I'm off for the night
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 14 2013 00:55 GMT
#1191
Man, VA's posts make me cry
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 14 2013 01:48 GMT
#1203
I'm at work I can't freely post as I wish especially considering I haven't been on the computer in the past hour or so since I made that post.

As for what to add, I'm still sticking by BH being a bad lynch choice.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 14 2013 01:52 GMT
#1209
lol 10 minute early vote completely forgot :|

also told you guys
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 14 2013 02:15 GMT
#1213
there was the mod post saying the day would end early
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 14 2013 04:11 GMT
#1218
A few days wut - another way to dodge giving any sort of result?
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