EPT...well I still have to finish reading the thread so I may back out (page 22 so far), but thoughts on people are always welcomed
PTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 3
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gonzaw
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...well I still have to finish reading the thread so I may back out (page 22 so far), but thoughts on people are always welcomed | ||
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...after I finish reading I'll have to analyze it a little bit more though. People that were AFK and stuff obviously won't make much impact on my "read-through analysis" because they don't post, so I may have to look at them better. | ||
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1)About the shot itself (why it didn't go through, etc), I don't really give a crap and don't want to spend time on it. If you guys want speculate yourselves, I'll just assume "role shenanigans" 2)WOS actually comes out better in my mind. After the shot he's active in discussions, arguing with BC, trying to figure stuff about BC's motivations and stuff. Before the shot he made some posts which...well I guess "feel" townie in a sense. Interacts with people a little bit more, so I guess I'll back out from that "bad" post he made. On second reading I'm not very comfortable with my "apology/pressure" analysis of his post either. Hmm....I'll leave it on hold. 3)solstice actually comes worse out of it than before to me. Will explain later. Before I do anything though, please answer this solstice: What happened to your Xata+S&B FoS? 4)Ignore everything BC says and does. But I don't want him lynched D1 because if he flips town I'll feel bad about him. He spend 99% of his time in a pointless fight with XXX I just can't comprehend how BC would be part of, and he's doing some very very stupid shit. Vig him on N1 at worst, I won't really care. I guess we'll have to talk about this in Post-game though, but leave it for there, if not you could leave a scum BC with more opportunities to just keep focus on XXX, "anti-town players" and his shot. If BC is scum leave him be and it'll be apparent soon, specially if this "shot" was his "shocking scum plan" to divert attention a-la Roulette-D2-Ace-Cop-Claim kind of thing | ||
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Comment on other people and shit ...also can I call you XXX? Doesn't matter I'll still call you XXX. | ||
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I just never read your username fully, I stopped after glancing that clusterfuck of lower/top case letters and digits lol Thoughts on WOS, solstice, and guys please sk8 | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote: Anybody feel like claiming they roleblocked BC? That whole thing just played out extremely weirdly... but I also think it pretty much confirms BC as a dayvig. I don't see any reason at all to lie about the ability and the way it played out as either alignment. If he is scum, then a townie with a town read on sk8er was quick on the trigger. In this case, it almost HAS to be a post-hoc roleblock, because I don't see a townie bothering to roleblock when all BC was doing was talking about deliberating about shooting. If he is town, then there's the added possibility that sk8er is scum and has a scumbuddy who can daytime (post-hoc?) roleblock. In this case it could have been a quick roleblock before he actually shot. Did anybody design a role that could have done a post-hoc roleblock? If not, I think we should lynch sk8er. The only way this would make sense is if: Sk8 is scum A scum created role X that can RB at day Another scum received that role That scum used it on Sk8 to save him It assumes that Sk8 is scum, the receiver of said role is scum, and the creator of said role is scum. That's too much coincidence. If the creator of said role is town, he'll just claim "I made this role and it exists!" and we'll know it exists, and it'll force the RBer to claim (if he doesn't RBer is scum) If the receiver of said role is town, he'll claim the RB (it's not like it "outs" him or anything, just say "I Rbed him") if Sk8 is town....well yeah lynching him is bad. | ||
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He'll also put into light if it's "post-hoc" or not, so we clear our doubts. It is indeed possible he just doesn't want to claim he made the role for some reason (if the receiver of the role is scum and shooting him maybe), so meh I'd just forget about that | ||
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Goddamit, I'll just finish reading and make sense of it later. Regarding stuff that makes Zepphirds post scummy: (reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=25#487 ) It's entirely possible (maybe likely) that BC is town. I get the feeling that if that's so, then some if not most of scum will just come out and flat out say "BC is town" in their posts. Why? Goes with the flow (general consensus is both confusion about BC's alignment/actions but thinking he's stupid town as well), fake contributions, etc. Zepphird made that kind of post, and I think kita and others made that kind of post as well That kind of post bothers me. I'm not too interested in lynching geript based on that. It'd be way easier for scum geript to do the same thing and sweep any pressure off him (as he's having now) On June 23 2013 09:23 s0Lstice wrote: gonzaw, my Xata and SnB reads have your panties in a bunch? nothing has changed, suspicions are definitely still there. The only thing of note with my scumreads that has happened between then and now is Xata's response, and I'm still considering it. I said I will update, and I will, but not before I'm ready. You just made a "case" against 2 dudes and then conveniently ignored it until I asked you about them (you were supposed to...you know...either vote them, ask people for opinions, etc) Anyways, I finished reading so I'll just post my thoughts about you now, and reread and shit later: Here's the thing solstice. You started "fine" I'd say. You started joking, jumped to the lovetap thing. Normal early-game-derp. Not super townie, but well you weren't scummy or anything. You made sense with some comments you made, and I had similar thoughts about you Acro had (that you were making comments that seemingly reflected that of his own, etc) But then came this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=18#349 On June 23 2013 03:43 s0Lstice wrote: Xatalos- To what history are you referring? Kurumi has never started out as 'effortless and careless' as mafia? I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like: Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented. S&B- This is ridiculous Cool story, but the town side of that story seems just as likely. I agree with Acro that this is a weak FoS. Man, so many lurky folks. Kurumi is not reading the thread: This after Acro explained tirelessly why he likes the claim idea. I could kill Kurumi and feel ok about it. Skater guy- You really need to clear up your thoughts on BC more. Why is BC scum? Like, I think I know what you are thinking...but these whole 'I voted to gauge reactions' and 'normal people would see my vote as just trolling' things muddy the waters a lot. BC- Looking better with his recent posts. Back to null for me. That's me being caught up. Gonna go back and dig more to refresh my scum reads. This striked me as a "antagonist scum" kind of post. It's not the aggressiveness itself, but also the contrast. Like, it's odd to me you'd go from this: On June 22 2013 08:17 s0Lstice wrote: Alright then. I like that you are in here posting comfortably. Doesn't mean a ton since you aren't a true newbie, but its a start. On June 22 2013 11:25 s0Lstice wrote: I changed my mind ##Lovetap xxSK8rGUy277xx Are you related to the skating gentleman in the avril lavigne song? On June 22 2013 12:19 s0Lstice wrote: slightly town. like I said earlier he seems really comfy in thread for his first game on TL. the lovetap thing is drawing a lot of attention to him, and he doesn't seem to give a fuck. it's not much, but its a lil something ...to stuff like "cool I can kill Kurumi and be cool with it" or stuff like that. There's also the fact that your sk8/BC comments seem like filler Also your Xatalos thing makes very very little sense: I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like: Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented. I can't understand how Xata's question can make you suspicious of him like you make it out to be. How about this for a response: 1)Xata was DIRECTLY asking sk8 if his lovetap is a joke or serious 2)Xata wanted other people to chime in on that thing to make more sense of it Your "case" doesn't convince me at all, and it doesn't convince me YOU are convinced he's scum (or you are suspicious of him) either. After that you make "usual" posts, but sparse in between. Different than WOS's interaction with people and activity in discussions, I just see you make ocassional posts arguing with WOS, or making some comments about some stuff other people said, etc. And you ignore your own FoS on Xata and S&B, in the sense that it seems you don't care about it. You ask nobody what they think of Xata/S&B. You make no effort whatsoever to either: -Get them lynched -Convince people they are scum/suspicious -Get more thoughts about them to get better reads on people or drive discussion forward -Get thoughts about them to convince yourself if they are scum or you are looking at the wrong direction Instead of doing stuff like that, I see you have a pointless discussion about BC's meta, and you just appear to be in the "sidelines" of the BC discussion, appearing that you are contributing about it, but I just don't get the feeling you actually are. That's what makes me suspicious of you. ....meh, I'll let you guys post your thoughts and shit, I'll take a closer look at Zepphird, and maybe reread Xata (I thought he was fairly town before he arrived here, another reason I didn't really understand solstice's FoS on him....nor WOS's either to be honest). Again, tell me if I'm wrong with my approach to the Xata stuff. I thought he seemed fairly townie, for his initial "get ball rolling" case on WOS (I certainly got that feeling from it at least), his continued activity, his behaviour, etc. | ||
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solstice (stuff I said before) Kurumi (complained about people saying he's not trolling, did shit else) S&B (I'm not too convinced in him being mafia, he's acted like this as town before I think, but won't hurt to put pressure on him) Zepphird (bad initial post complaining, then uber bad next post with bland filler reads and shit) Maybe kita, haven't read his filter yet but I don't remember anything worthwhile he said I think the D1 lynch should be one of them (for now). Yeah Xfire and austin didn't do shit, but well whatyougonna do they have to come back. If they come back obvious pressure and shit. | ||
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If not we could kill Zepphird that's totally cool. His "uber bad post" just has so many half-assed rushed filler reads it's not funny. Why would he do stuff like that then do 0 scumhunting at all? | ||
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Something I missed? When is deadline? | ||
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Damn I have to eat and watch Uruguay goddamit  | ||
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##Vote: Zepphird | ||
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Anyways, on to page 33 now! | ||
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This thing feels so so bad if he's scum. Like...if he's scum he'd be deliberately lying about the "fake shot" thing, putting lots of attention to him. And it doesn't feel like a "divertion" tactic either, mostly because it's D1 (scum don't give a shit about D1) and because it doesn't feel that way ....yeah he's not scum. Right now it's either Zepphird or solstice for me, and I can't really decide. I'm on page 35 and I think a solstice lynch may be better. Hmm, damn I don't have much time to choose :/ | ||
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Fuck I haven't even finished reading the thread, much less filters. Fuck this ##Unvote: Zepphird ##Vote: solstice Come on sheep me Zepphird still looks bad...but I get a little less confident based on him being Zepphird. I get the feeling he'd be scummy looking as town as well, and I dunno about some stuff he posts I can't really read it well I get more inclined to solstice. He acted with an aggressive approach to all pressure against him, my case, etc. He goes around like he's 100% confident Zepphird is scum, and well I don't like that attitude. I don't like his attitude of "tough macho guy" he's putting (seems he's acting like he's BH or something), and in contrast with his initial behaviour back in early D1 I just feel it's a weird contrast, I don't really think he'd have that contrast as town. Not many people commented on him other than Xatalos and others. Hey kita, you make a whole post explaining why solstice is scum but you vot sk8 wtf? | ||
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Now help us get the lynch kita, unvote sk8 and vote solstice for fucks sake, stop saying you will while doing nothing | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:24 kitaman27 wrote: Furthermore, your super dupper scum read is vote WITH YOU, to get s&b lynched. You don't find that strange? Holy shit this makes sense | ||
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