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On July 06 2013 17:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Me and Ver just recently wrapped up our stuff, I definitely have time now. We will post something in the next day or two clarifying some points brought up earlier and announcing a start date. As of now, sign ups are open and the game will commence as soon as we have the requisite number of people. Sexy! I am really thrilled to start another game. | ||
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On the other hand, I really like this game, I don't see why I cant play 6 hours mafia a day instead of 6 hours DotA and SC2. So if I am allowed, Ver, I would like to still play in this game. I will die somewhere anyway eventually. | ||
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Why would big plays be bad? If somebody believes he can catch scum, he should try it and explain later. People are going to do stupid shit anyway; why not do stupid things on purpose with the purpose to find scum. So I frown on that point, sounds like a reason to say in the future "I said big plays are bad, now let me tunnel you' "I said lying is bad, now let me tunnel you" Just like his opening post, a lot of things can be done to create conversation and to bait people. Big plays and lying is a part of that. I think that everybody here knows that lying brings big risks for your own health. On July 16 2013 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think there is something you should all know. I am a pardoner. I tried to think how i could use my power in combination with PM's to it's full benefit and came into conclusion there is no way not to claim will help town. The pardoning can be done vai PM's to the hosts, i don't need to announce it in thread. There is nothing good coming out from me using it, only confusion and distraction, so i will not use my power ever. This makes me think scum have one too. This post is so scummy. Is rayn saying that he will not use his power to save somebody that is in his eyes 100% town? Or 90% town, or 80% town? Never? Isn't it a great tool to once just pardon a guy that you think is town. While scum might have taken risks to make the lynch happen. Endgame this could have been so powerful. Why did rayn share this with us? If you don't use it. keep quiet about it. Maybe you find a reason in the future. By claiming that you have it I got a feeling you want to use it later anyway to get some town kred. I really don't get why you claim that. #vote raynpelikoneet (unless I am missing something here?) I also got a couple questions, they might seem noob but I just want to verify: 1) Can we post PMs our mason made? This would mean that you can give more than 5 posts to your mason right? He just communicates through PM to you, and you copy paste in chat. Is this allowed? I see a chatlog posted and I am surprised. 2) In a normal game communication outside the thread is not allowed right? Even if you are 2 brothers playing the game you can't talk to each other about the game. Pure in theory. | ||
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So I have been staring at this thread for over 3 hours now, 2 hours yesterday and now and hour before typing this, and I have come to the conclusion that I can't bring an extra perspective on a lot of these accusations between people. I understand what I am reading, but I can't analyze it further and give it even more meaning. Like this whole discussion between DH and Tofu, I read everything, even the logs from Rayn, and I can't even get a small feeling in my head/gut if somebody is scum. So I am going to give up on trying to get a gut feeling while reading stuff, I will just read it and move on. Instead I am going to keep giving my view on things. It would be great if people I target don't ignore what I say even though it sounds simple/dumb, otherwise I am just going to keep being lost. You can reply to me while making gigantic posts about other people obviously, don't waste a post on me alone. About Oatsmaster You comment on my first post being useless, however, you have made useless post yourself. I wonder why you do that if you feel so strongly about wasting posts. + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote: oh god this type of player. On July 17 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: gumshoe is scum. Confirmed KILL. @ VisceraEyes After reading your log I don’t like that first post you made. You ask people to Mason you, but you imply that it would be dumb to do so because there are better choices. I just don’t like that entire paragraph, then following it up with another paragraph why you should be very safe using your Mason ability Your first part is you saying that you will number your posts because you want to remind yourself that you can’t spam. Which is great, because each time that you write your postcount on the bottom you can reread what you post and evaluate if it is good enough. But look at your posts: You vote for DH because his first 12 posts are bad. Do you know you are on 9/18 now? How do your posts make you feel? You also claim that you fakevoted for DH to bait out response, and when kholly does, he goes straight to the top of your scumlist for that reason only. Between that you made 2 posts one being a pretty useless inactive list and in the other one you defended yourself for making that inactive list. After that you defend yourself for putting Wiggles on your scumlist, You donated 2 posts to DH (he already had gotten 3), you clarified something and finally you commented on Chez making an appearance. So.. VE you are quite useless, and since you voted Malongo for that reason I think you should feel pretty bad about yourself. @Gumshoe: Why are you so active in this game? I am referring to your play in the Nuclear game. You got killed in the lynch of day 3. Because you only cared to post one time over a timespan of 144 hours. I am bitter about that. @Malongo: Let’s ignore the filter list for the people in this game that you made, even though it’s handy for people without TL+ .Thus ignore the referral post to it that you made. Hmm, better also ignore the 5 post you gave to DH while he already received 8 and 5 is the maximum. Oh and saying that Echelon tree outed in a post instead of PM to the host is not very useful, lets also ignore that. We are left with you voting MZ for a “reason”. Ahye, and you speaking Finnish. I am going to leave it at this for the moment. Any suggestion on who to Mason? I would like somebody that can chat during European times and that can help me a bit around. | ||
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In his first post VE says he wants to be Masoned, which I see as a town sign, but because he adds so many reasons to actually not mason him. I find it suspicious. I also find it suspicious that he makes posts that generate posts to reply on. 1a) Give a list of inactives 1b) Make an apology post about it (you know someone was going to call you out on it) 2a) Fake claim HZ 2b) Say that you fakeclaimed HZ to bait scum, but people that react to it on nr1 scumlist (ezpz scumreading) 3a) but wiggles on scumlist wirthout to much reasoning 3b) defend your wiggles on scumlist (looks a bit like 1b) I wouldn't find it too strange in a normal game, but in this limited post game it stands out to other people. My case on Malongo is just saying Malongo his posting behaviour is really bad. Really really bad. This time I have not ##voted yet because of the fiasco with rayn. I want some feedback first. Thx. | ||
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Reason: I don't have much to say and I hope he is able to keep me from the lynchtable on Day 1 by making posts that make others look worse than me. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:19 gumshoe wrote: So your mad at me for playing more townie? I can go ahead and lurk again if you like, I was not as interested in the last game because I was coming off a crushing loss in Basterd mafia, if you want an example of my actual town play read that game, that and I didnt get any nukes, bad of me yes, but not at all a good reason to call me scum. Townie play is townie play. Why are you threatening me with lurking? Do you know I am town? Maybe I couldn't care less if you lurked... | ||
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Reason: I am now on 8/14 and will go to bed in an hour. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote: why is gumshoe voting for viscera in here but actually voting for firmtofu in the voting thread? The posts are at almost the same time. ##Vote slOosh On July 18 2013 03:09 HiroPro wrote: VE do you even realize that Malongo has never posted anything about sloosh? In other news, I'm like 95% certain that sloosh is mafia. I don't understand this. Why are you guys after Sloosh? | ||
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VE just made a big post and I believe he proved that he is willing to keep doing that in future days. Malongo isn't doing anything and I am afraid he might up being a lurker for the rest of this game. Or keep doing these stupid posts. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:35 slOosh wrote: What has VE accomplished with his big post? He drops his main scum read that he has had all day, to follow general thread sentiment. How is his big post in any means a useful contribution? Nothing, but at least he posted something. What has Malongo done? Who will be easier to read, the guy that posts or the guy that doesn't post. I need a good reason not to vote Malongo. | ||
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Would you say that you are playing different from the Nuclear game? If so, what is different? | ||
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@ VA: I saw you made a case on me. ---> I made a good case on VE for that time being. I think everybody would agree with that? I was the first to make a case vs VE so you can’t say I was sheeping. Obviously people are going to see the same things… However, your case vs me was out of the blue. I give you that. Ace, FirmTofu (I pasted those 2 guys red but it's a very weak read, a little bit higher than the othe VE voters because I know these 2) Ace, you were scum in the nuclear game, and I am getting the same vibe from you now. Why do you say that you will sheep DH (which is a town read for me) and then go kill a vigilante that DH didn't vote on. On July 18 2013 11:45 Ace wrote: I see him say "I am America". How did this get taken as a serious claim? Are people putting words in VE's mouth? If he did in fact claim my vote will stay. Otherwise I'm just unvoting. This is a silly post. My bet, you knew that you didn't have to unvote while making the post. But meh, you played lackluster in the nuke game. Maybe you still are. FirmTofu, I am somewhat surprised that you are not the raving madman from the nuclear game. The nuclear game was/is my first real game and you stood out for your aggressive pursuing. While your 180 on VE was surprising. Especially your defensive stand on him, I haven’t seen that side from you. That’s why I asked that question to you yesterday, I actually wanted to vote for you. But decided not to because you were pissing off DH so much that I think he will take a good look at you know. Anyway, I see you more as an attacker than a defender. While yesterday you were defending. Maybe too many scums on VE train already? That’s my take on current events. I think my Day 2 will be closesly following the guys that voted VE and FirmTofu. | ||
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On July 19 2013 21:22 gumshoe wrote: Loooooooool I did my job XD. Glhf everyone, I can gg in peace. I didn't see that you actually saved somebody. grtz wp gg! | ||
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Oatsmaster: Voted for VE 1 minute after the voting thread was created and never took his vote off VE. (wtf) But that being said, Oats left for bed before VE made his (15/15) post and before VE claimed America. On July 20 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + [17:07:52] <Oatsmaster> can you look through gumshoe's filter and see if he breadcrumbed anything about his defence? [17:07:00] <Oatsmaster> cause that guy is confirmed town [17:07:17] <raynpelik0neet> what do you mean by "his defence"? [17:07:30] <Oatsmaster> like bodyguard shit [17:07:33] <Oatsmaster> i think its marv [17:07:35] <Oatsmaster> but I dunno [17:07:27] <raynpelik0neet> what, i don't follow [17:07:33] <raynpelik0neet> can you walk me through it [17:07:40] <Oatsmaster> gumshoe is a bodyguard [17:07:43] <raynpelik0neet> yeah and died [17:07:53] <Oatsmaster> he protected someone which means he gets killed if the dude he is protecting is shot [17:07:05] <Oatsmaster> which means the dude he is protecting is confirmed town [18:11] <raynpelik0neet> Oats [18:12] <raynpelik0neet> how do you know gumshoe actually protected someone? Usually BG's do not get notification as they die. How would gumshoe know he protected someone succesfully? Do you know mafia hit someone else than gumshoe? [18:15] <Oatsmaster> lol easy game [18:15] <Oatsmaster> cause he said he did his job [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> .. [18:15] <Oatsmaster> ? [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> why would he know about a succesful protection? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> ah [18:16] <Oatsmaster> true [18:16] <Oatsmaster> but i dunno why gumshoe and not like 3 other dudes more townie [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> because blue? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> anyway it doesnt really matter [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> ofc it does [18:16] <Oatsmaster> cause I dunno who he protected [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> you said mafia hit someone else [18:17] <Oatsmaster> it matters if we know [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> when gumshoe can't know that [18:17] <Oatsmaster> we dont know [18:17] <Oatsmaster> oh the extra info [18:17] <Oatsmaster> right [18:17] <Oatsmaster> i would know who is confirmed town then wouldnt i [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> you kinda said [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> marv is [18:24] <Oatsmaster> i did [18:25] <Oatsmaster> but now I dont [18:25] <Oatsmaster> because no actual evidence [18:25] <Oatsmaster> just speculation Oats was sure gumshoe protected marv. Oats can't know if gumshoe in fact protected anyone and was not hit instead (remember, he was kinda known to be blue) unless he knows he protected someone. And suddenly it's not marv anymore. rofl. Oats is mafia. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster When gumshoe said that he did his job I also immediately thought that he actually saved somebody. I don't think this is such a gigantic slip that you guys claim that it is. Isn't there a bigger chance that Gumshoe actually defended a bigger thread than himself? SloOsh: I have masoned Vivax. I will probably mason somebody else during the next night. I say this because I have discussed SloOsh with Vivax, as SloOsh was the scumwagon to him. Vivax asked me to read sloosh and I replied: + Show Spoiler + [11:52] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:53] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:54] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:54] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. A lot of his posting on Day 1 can have been to protect himself, he remember him trying to convince me to vote for VE. What makes Sloosh look bad is that he completely ignored the America claim from VE, he should have commented on that tbh. My read on SloOsh is what it is, I think that you should ask Vivax if you want a better read on SloOsh. Yamato: With him being on the VE train, I suspect at least 1 more to have joined after him. Maybe in the end, the remove the America claim, maybe a bit sooner to protect Sloosh. Ace: Playing completely different than in the Nuclear game, he was calm and not caring in Nuclear, while he is being chaotic and cynical in here.. Does this means he isn't scum here? No. Can I read him? No. Does my gut says he is scum? No. strongandbig: I read Vivax his arguments about SnB and I nod my head while doing so, it are the standard reasons that somebody reads in guides and applicable to SnB his posts. But I am not convinced yet. I do think SnB is following this thread way better than what he let us believe in his opening post. Same deal as with Sloosh, I wouldn't lynch him because he could be useful to town. I have not the read on SnB to condemn him scum. kholly: Chez did 2 things this game so far: 1) Focus on Gumshoe saying that he has only 1 Mason. 2) Give a sarcastic(?) list of scums. So after putting a lot of work in this post, I come to the conclusion that I don't have anything. I do know that you guys don't like lists that don't say shit and just fill up the thread. But sadly enough this is all I have, VA can have a fieldday again on me. Just going to put my vote towards uselessness: ##vote: kholly | ||
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When you went off the VE wagon, you only defended VE once. Why didn't you put more and better effort in saving VE? I remember you to really like to be agressive and take the lead in the Nuclear game. You could have done more than once caps lock a defense for VE right? | ||
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On July 20 2013 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi why not vote for OATS? Like I said, the guy is just afk-ish. You can blame him for not caring about this game and pressure vote him. I decided to do that with kholly because if oats deserve your vote, kholly deserves a couple as well. And the whole thing with you blaming oats for assuming that gumshoe did not defend somebody is just as simple by you as by Oats. Pure mathematically: Is it not more likely that Gumshoe picked the right target to defend than that he was targeted by scum? Add the fact that Gumshoe kinda claimed himself that he protected the right target... Don't know why you don't consider that, but go so harshly on Oats for making a wrong assumption. | ||
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On July 20 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: As i said: 1) How would gumshoe know he was not hit and protected someone? 2) gumshoe was claimed blue, is that not a good reason to hit someone? 1) I don't know. But fact is that Gumshoe himself said: "I did my job" 2) I didn't know gumshoe was claimed blue. How and where did that happen? @FirmTofu Your first day was overwhelmed with discussing with DH. It started with your opening post into a gigantic clusterfuck discussion about everything and then some. At a moment you even attack MZ and sided with yamato to discredit DH. Your posting today is a lot better though. Clear red reads and I know you will follow up if you don't have to defend to much. Once in the defense the post limit makes it hard to also go in attackmode as well. | ||
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##support: Vivax @FirmTofu+ Show Spoiler + WHY get yourself modkilled. D: Can't believe I thought you were scum again... gg man. | ||
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I never said that gumshoe was a scumread. I just asked him why he was so active this game while he was superafk in the Nuclear game. It is so sad that you jump to the conclusion gumshoe was a scumread of mine. I absolutely never said anything like that. This games deadline is around 4 AM for me, dont know what you expect me to do.. I had no better read, nobody gave me a better read. I explained why I didn't to TF or VE. It would be pretty problematic for me if Vivax turns out to be scum. But hey, got to trust somebody here and I think that Vivax is the right guy to trust for me. | ||
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Do you agree with Vivax on his other cases? Do you think Vivax is scum? | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:50 strongandbig wrote: @marv what do you mean it doesn't make sense for town to shoot ace. He was actively refusing to engage in any way that could either help find scum or show us he's town. And he was actively disrupting and confusing the thread and advancing the scum agenda. I know how hard it is to get ace lunched, and I had a bullet, so I shot him. That really sounds like a scummy thing to say. If you are scum and sitting on that bullet and you see Ace acting like he was, perfect for scum. ##Vote: strongandbig Please answer on my 2 questions above SnB. | ||
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On July 21 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: My decision to lynch kholly first is related to some events in mason chat, but there are good reasons nonetheless. Also I'm voting him, it's geript not counting properly lul. Can you tell me how my post is "fluff"? Don't you think that your case against kholly is the weakest? SloOsh is your best case, because SnB his role is exposed, he is a simple scum now. | ||
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On July 21 2013 08:45 VayneAuthority wrote: yea so I gave him a couple hours and still nothing I won't be online again before the deadline ##vote:sloosh If he isn't scum then we better be looking at vivax/koshi tomorrow. You trying to get me jealous by looking at other boys? | ||
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On July 21 2013 08:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I like concrete analysis and if we look at the votes on sloosh day 1 that wasn't a successful lynch, then we have a vivax/koshi mason team come out of nowhere and decide kholly or SnB is a sweet lynch but then they just go fuck it and vote Sloosh and he flips town...yes you can bet your ass I will be on you for that You will never defeat detective Vivax and constable Koshi. ##Unvote ##Vote SlOosh | ||
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On July 21 2013 09:46 Malongo wrote: I think Sloosh is town, my top two mafia reads are VayneAuthority and marvellosity, layabout comes close in third place. Why? Nobody likes VayneAuthority obviously. The layabout case from Vivax is pretty convincing. But why marvellosity? | ||
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There is currently more discussion around SnB than on SloOsh. I guess with this pardon that scum is going to push Sloosh again, even if the guy is scum. There are another 72 hours left, let's lynch between SnB and Sloosh. But let's lynch the guy that is the most useful for town to make conclusions from. A lot of comments here are "let's lynch SloOsh no matter what", I would like to remind these people that there 72 hours in front of us and a lot SHOULD happen in those 72 hours. I still got 1 Mason left. Nobody masoned me so I didn't know where to write this down. I guess here is a good place. Marvellosity/Vivax (This could be a scumteam, and if they are I am in the middle of it.) Marvellosity I expect a list from you this night, because you are a giant scum target. Putting only kholly on it is not sufficient. I even dislike you for going so hard after kholly. Vivax Some healthy suspicion because we are masoned. As soon as we see some of those target of you flip red you will be very towny for me. For the reasons I have given to Vivax (but I don't want to repeat it in this thread) Kholly I am also liking Malongo his latest posts. DH was very towny for me but now with the whole FT debacle... Back to null. | ||
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But I can be very wrong about this. | ||
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On July 22 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: VA are you really this dumb? ##give Rayn: 2 posts + Show Spoiler + PS: If I die tonight, take a good look at Vivax/Marv. | ||
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For extra lulz 6/6 | ||
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You think I am scum? I am the missing memo. You should be grateful. Why so evul? | ||
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Do you agree with Vivax on his other cases? SloOsh and Layabout? Since you shot Ace you have done nothing, so please don't come here all and mighty and claim that we shouldn't see you as scum. Prove it. | ||
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On July 16 2013 20:55 Koshi wrote: Hi everybody. Just letting you know I am reading the thread. | ||
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SloOsh SnB marvellosity layabout Oatsmaster/MG/VA | ||
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So many scums. So little lynches. | ||
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On July 24 2013 03:56 strongandbig wrote: lynch after sloosh is not set in stone. no one has yet given a good reason for lynching me. so stop just assuming i'm gonna get mislynched. SnB please go in attack mode if you can. Who do you think is scummy, Why? We only see you defending D: | ||
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I am actually scum and this is from the scum QT: Koshi: Fuck guys, town is closing in on us, what do we do? Marv: Let's fake a message from SloOsh to me Oats: That sounds great, do you have a plan marv Marv: Yeah, it will be epic Rayn: Let's fake a hit on all of us, so that town don't expect us at all. I am getting some heat after that pardon adam: rofl. SloOsh, Ok guys I am going to go on IRC with marv, we will make it cute. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: what the fuck is wrong with you people? Please tell us. We don't know. | ||
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It's missing memo business so I don't want to bore you with it. We will see. | ||
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On July 24 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its not hard to see that Marv is town. So far I havent really been wrong about that. I hard defended Ace without even talking about him in nuclear. You talk to marv? I didn't know that. You guys masoned? | ||
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So where did you and marv talk? | ||
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Scary. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The thing is, your Chez DT theory sounds somewhat plausible if you consider he does his shit the other way around. Which makes me very distrusting of my mason partner, marv, of whom I'll send you the logs as insurance, should I die. He just asked me in PM for the reasons why you think kholly is town, I told him I'd tell him if he sends me his logs, I won't answer him probably. Once I die, I need you to post these logs when it becomes necessary, use them strategically. Try to get marv to talk a lot. Be careful how you approach trying to prove he's scum. He's really good at playing scum. I'll send you the PM's between marv and me, too, but first his logs with others and the irc logs. In summary, marv has been soft-agreeing with me on layabout, SlOosh and S & B, but for him they always seemed to be secondary lynches. His interest into them only showed when I talked with him about them, he always was like "yeah they're likely scum, we need to see what they're gonna do, but hey look at this dude". Instead, he always urged me to look at people like FirmTofu and kholly (and I supported him on kholly last day cause he asked me to).. His inflexibility on the matter and rather unexplainable preference makes me suspicios now. He has been stuck on FT since N1, he flipped town. He said at some point ace has the not give a fuck attitude that is likely town (should be in the logs, but check for yourself please, this is from my memory) this is very suspicious cause it seems unlikely someone would reliably draw a conclusion from ace's play, unless he knows his alignment already. When FT died, he tried a lot to push me to kholly. My other partner is Wiggles. That guy is really scummy. He hesitates a lot in the chat, he barely asks me stuff on his own, and I do most of the writing. He shows only poor proactivity. Here's the chat logs. I talked to marv as if I didn't share them with anyone, telling him it's up to him to post them if I die, keep yourself silent, ask him what he worked out with me maybe, see what he tries to do with our logs. Does it seem like he uses them to push scum objectives, does he fake information, only pick the stuff that he finds useful? You'll be THE undercover shit, dude . Lynching scum marv is probably one of the hardest things to achieve in this game, so you'll need to find compelling stuff to persuade people. If kholly isn't scum, it's among Malongo/marv/Wiggles/Oats! That will be the hardest part of the game once I'm not around anymore. The problem I have with marv is that he didn't see the same thing. It was so obvious that kholly pretended to be the detective in my eyes. Kholly did things like putting FT green (this is kholly saying that ft is red) before the night, and then putting FT red right after the night. Kholly said things like "Ace is the voice of the detective", or spoke of multiple cops recently, pointing towards the purity cop and himself as DT. So like Vivax said, marv really wanted to lynch FT and Kholly, both flipped town now. While marv was very hesitant to lynch SloOsh,SnB and layabout, which were the targets of Vivax. Could it be that Vivax was so right about his targets and marv so wrong? I think that this is unlikely. That is why I still want SnB to be lynched today. We need to follow Vivax guys, he is still town MVP and he has been death after night 1... So I suggest we lynch SnB, a guy who we ALL suspect for being scum. I am going to keep following Vivax, I want you all to keep doing that. My opinion on MZ/marv as a lynch target for today: MZ should never get lynched today. The only thing we have against him is a message from a flipped scum player, that claims that one of MZ/marv is "different". That's nothing really. We do not have a better chance on finding scum in MZ than SnB. marv is still a big red target for me, but I want to go SnB first to keep on track with what Vivax told me. If SnB turns red, then we all have to remember what Vivax told us about the hesitance of marv to go after SnB. Quick sidenote before I forget: I told rayn that kholly was the detective on day 3. Both "detectives" died on night 3. I do not believe rayn is scum for a second but meh. It is maybe a bit coincidental, but it is something to note down. The whole thing with layabout being the purity cop was revealed to me without me even asking anything about it. I am listed as one of the moles but I can assure you all I am 100% town. I don't even try to do bad town things. | ||
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@SnB Every time you come here to defend yourself. Your shot vs Ace was pure bullshit, imagine you having your shot now and we could shoot MZ and lynch marv, that would have been epic. But fuck that shit, you shot Ace. I am not even going to react on the marv case... marv can better prove he is town by doing towny things or he is next if you flip red. marvellosity Are you ignoring my case against you? Or Vivax his case I must say. How come you were so wrong about FT? How come you were so wrong about Kholly? Why does Vivax respect your scum hunting so much? Why do you post 100 times per cycle in a no restriction game but can't you be bothered to put pressure on anybody this game? Why are you not dead? Why does it feel like you are confident to go with anybody in a lylo situation? Why can't you make a simple list like rayn did? Put suspects in red, town reads in green? You don't give a shit about this game, however, you are always reading this thread. Don't denie it because you are quick to reply on a lot of posts. | ||
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On July 26 2013 03:55 Korynne wrote: I don't understand what you and Rayn are up to. I agree that SnB looks scummy! But you seem to have read the conversation wrong. We have a message from a flipped TOWN COP that Marv/MZ is different (the flipped scum just called Marv an SK). THAT IS TOTALLY 100% GUARANTEED UNLESS TOWN COP IS TROLLING US. You can't just stick to Vivax. He's dead. New things have happened. Everyone needs to adapt to new information. Yes SnB looks scummy but one of Marv/MZ is confirmed anti-town. AND if one of them is the SK that reduces night KP by 1!!! Pros of killing Marv/MZ: - One of them is CONFIRMED anti-town, you guys know what confirmed means right? >_< - The anti-town member could have a scum role, or be an SK (SnB is vanilla scum at best after the shot at Ace) See, I don't agree. SnB looks extremely scummy no matter what check. What if scum has a framer? What if 1 out marv/mz is a miller? We want to lynch scum right? Like I said, going 50/50 on marv/MZ is not our best lynch. There is a chance that one is scum and the other the SK obviously and we get a good lynch no matter what. Or maybe both are scum and 1 is the godfather but that is as unlikely as both flipping town. My opinion is that we kill our best scum target in SnB. After that we can take a look at all other players. Or could people tell me why SnB is not scummy? | ||
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Here I was, thinking marv was town and wanted to switch to the MZ wagon because I liked Khyronne his point about so many scums being on the VE wagon because the other 2 wagons were scums (SloOsh+MZ). So I started reading the logs from MZ and marv. Now my conclusion is BOTH ARE HORRIBLE. MZ I suggest people read these logs themselves. The logs contain: Early game: Toying around with Ace & VA Mid game: Horrible crap. End game: Doing a lot of things to keep suspicion on marv. Being a martyr is cool! --> yay for uselessness. Hapa/marv Hapa used to be marv on the first cycle. @marv you say that Hapa was easy to read when you replaced him, can you tell me what you read? Hapa was masoned with yamato. It was a pregame agreement... When marv took over he only briefly talked with yamato. However, yamato looked town in marv his book. While in the brief exchange that DH had with yamato, DH concluded extremely fast that yamato was scum. (go read those logs, guys) Marv spent a lot of time with Vivax in chat. Vivax his PMs to me were really clear, we needed to lynch SloOsh and SnB. After all these hours in chat this dedication didn't rub off on marv at all. Marv just stated for the first time that going after SnB might be smart... In midgame marv actually made 1 analytical post, read it: + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2013 00:58 marvellosity wrote: Seems I'm burping through my posts a little, sorry about that. Decided to have a look at the day 1 and day 2 votecounts. All this taken under the assumption slOosh is mafia. + Show Spoiler [Vote Counts] + On July 18 2013 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Vote count incoming. VisceraEyes - 6 Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig kholly VayneAuthority - 0 DoctorHelvetica - 1 Meapak_Ziphh Sloosh - 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta FirmTofu Kholly - 1 marvellosity Strongandbig - 1 Vivax raynpelikoneet - 0 Sandroba - 0 Malongo - 1 Koshi Oatsmaster - 0 Firmtofu - 1 DoctorHelvetica Meapak_ziphh - 5 Mr. Wiggles layabout Malongo gumshoe VisceraEyes Ace - 0 VisceraEyes has 6 votes and is to be lynched. This will be finalized and posted in 20 minutes. If anyone can verify my count it would be appreciated. On July 21 2013 14:20 geript wrote: DoctorHelvetica (0): layabout (1): slOosh kholly (1): Oatsmaster (0): Vivax (0): Meapak_Ziphh (1): slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, layabout, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, VayneAuthority, Korynne, Koshi, Adam4167 strongandbig (1): VayneAuthority (1): Malongo Not Voting (1) : Meapak_Ziphh Day 1: slOosh: rayn, Vayne, HiroPro, kush, FirmTofu Day 2: slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, So people marked in blue are people who voted slOosh both days, and therefore look quite good. Incidentally I'd say that at this stage, it would be a good reason for Vayne and rayn to stop taking slugs out of each other, even though it's nice for a bit of rhyming. At the moment I think you're both town. Bold people are confirmed flips, and anyone in unbolded green is a current town-read of mine. So that leaves Wiggles, layabout, and Adam (a replacement). Pre-edit: Votecount was wrong, layabout wasn't voting for slOosh, and Meapak was but omitted on geript's votecount Here's what Wiggles had to say about slOosh day 1: And then day 2: One curious thing about it is that he's backing off what seemed to be a pretty damn strong scumread on MZ for no actual reason other than "I don't get as much the same feeling.". Also, I feel the context of Vivax's mason logs is kinda important: The emphasis is mine. Seems Wiggles found himself on slOosh despite basically ignoring him day 1 and thinking there were better targets (layabout) day 2. Conclusion? Looks pretty fishy, but not conclusive. Spoilering the layabout stuff I wrote below because the votecount was wrong :/ + Show Spoiler + So how about layabout? Day 1 slOosh mentions: On July 18 2013 09:44 layabout wrote: -snip- For a 24 player game we have a vote's spread pretty thinly: here are the leaders as far as i can tell and we should not be lynching slOosh. votes sloosh: 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes VE: 3 FirmTofu yamato77 slOosh snb:2 Vivax gumshoe Interesting anyways. Why shouldn't we? On July 18 2013 09:55 layabout wrote: -snip- It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on. But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread. VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context. Moving on to after the day 1 lynch.... On July 19 2013 10:47 layabout wrote: slOsh's attitude really does not fell like the attitude of somebody that is trying to find scum. I think he is deliberately overlooking stuff that should be obvious . slOosh now scummy, after saying he was a terrible lynch day 1. On July 21 2013 11:29 layabout wrote: apparent ly mz was lying as a joke. what a dick. i athinkingm about not playing with him again. what a horeible attitude. why has no one pmed me yet? if i am around i might switch to slOosh. but i havent filtered him and i am not thinking straight And............ just realised this is all hopeless, because the Day 2 votecount was wrong and layabout was actually voting for MZ, and not slOosh. Lame. And Adam... not a lot to say about Adam. That's all we have. Meapak... I kinda think he's town, and it's a bit hard to pin him down on his filter. Day 1 MZ fails to mention slOosh at all. Post Day 1: First mention that I can find. This one looks pretty terrible, but ugh. I have to say I'm really just crossing my fingers and hoping MZ is town, because I can't give any massively rational reasons why it should be the case. Just some general musings on votecounts; On Day 1 Meapak had 5 voters, as one of the 3 main wagons. 3 of the wagon have flipped town (gumshoe, VE, Malongo) leaving Mr Wiggles and layabout. This alone makes it pretty likely at least one of Wiggles and layabout was mafia - working on the assumption that at least 3 of the wagon on VE were mafia (yamato/slOosh/s&b, possibly kholly...). It's kinda unfortunate there were so many no-shows on Day 1, leaves a lot of information missing. After this posts marv leaks the infamous "Oh hai marv, u sk bro?" So about this marv: Wrong about yamato,kholly and FT in early Mid-game analytical posts is pointing fingers at Wiggles, being null on adam and dedicating a town read on MZ. While khyronne and I are town in his vote analysis. So nobody is scum except for Wiggles maybe. End-game marv is being cynical, shows no remorse about his game so far, doesn't want to play because the stupidity, and gets heavily defended by Oats. 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I have no idea about you. You seem to like the SnB lynch? You seem to think Marv is good for this town? You don't want to put too much weight in the layabout claim because of Framer, but you are really confident in your own results about FT/Marv, you don't think Marv could be godfather or be framed to look town? I am currently still on the SnB-marv-Oats lynch. You seem to think I am scummy? Pressure me. Tell me why. | ||
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I made a compilation for people like Wiggles and Oats and all the other cool kids that seem so blinded about the cop claims and the confirmed scum and all the other good stuff. | ||
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I am going to push the SnB lynch. After that I cba about MZ and Marv. We will see what happens. I shouldn't be taking lead on this shit anyway. Time for you lads to step up. I am probably doing everything wrong anyway. | ||
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On July 26 2013 23:29 VayneAuthority wrote: so yea after that terribad claim oats marv koshi random lurker (kush/adam) ill have to see what adam does seems like the scumteam. They are all pushing SnB on the basis of his shot and they are starting to panic as you see, with oats making one of the worst claims I've ever seen and marv making a huge martyr post. If this isn't the correct final answer I'll be really surprised. This is the only consolidated agenda that I see in the thread. They are all pushing SnB like he's in a fucking wheelchair. I see my vote is fine where it is. If there's SK it's meapak but idk if that even exists anymore Thank you for the good laugh. | ||
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On July 26 2013 23:31 VayneAuthority wrote: everyone that isn't on your team is looking bad to you. Where's the rest of my team if I'm scum? SnB VA Wiggles Rayn It would make sense. My conspiracy brain. It believes. | ||
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SnB scum. Let's lynch this guy please. Wants to lynch marv, is looking for the SK.... Please lynch him town. VA: Has been defending SnB since the beginning, putted his vote on both MZ and marv. Random bullshit through the game, searched fights with both marv and MZ. He is a big advocate to lynch in the marv/mz/oats/koshi pool. All could be town. Wiggles: 1 post this entire game. Lynch into MZ/Marv in a critical moment. I was actually lying about Rayn before. I wanted to have an IRC talk with Khyronne but he isn't replying anymore. And fuck it, I want to hear you guys. My real suspicion goes towards khyronne atm. I am going to post all logs between us. I think that this is everything between us where I want to lynch SnB and he wants to lynch in MZ/Marv Entirely in the bottom you will find the logs between khyronne and layabout. If you aren't scum khyronne, I am sorry for posting these. But I think that I need to let everybody read this. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Korynne: No I thought SnB was scummy... we'll wait and see though. I'm worried if everyone just jumps on the SnB wagon with such a strong case for marv/mz there. Was hoping mafia would give some tell between Marv and MZ. If everyone just jumps on SnB there's no way mafia's doing that so easy when marv/mz are perfectly good lynches. There's 4/11 mafia. If SnB is wrong and we lynch him, that's 4/10 -> 4/8 tomorrow and we're fucked... There's /no way/ mafia let's SnB go that easy... Also mafia would want to kill the SK if there is one, so if they don't vote for marv/mz then it's less likely there is an SK. [/spoiler] I would like to ask kushm4sta, Oats, rayn, marv and MZ to read this carefully and give opinion on this theory. My new scumtargets can comment as well, tell me how retarded I am VA. But I really want to lynch SnB. Am I scum trying to mislynch SnB? I hope you don't think that. If so, give me reasons, pressure me, tell me why I am scum. I really am 100% town. I just got a lot of ideas. | ||
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Here is the rest of the logs between layabout and khyronne. I had to cut them in 2. + Show Spoiler + [9:01:58 PM] Marc Quinn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19267882 [9:02:03 PM] Marc Quinn: tell me what you think about this [9:06:05 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: hey [9:06:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why you offline? xD [9:06:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also when do you get your check back? [9:07:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Like can you pass it on during the night before the NKs happen? [9:12:19 PM] Marc Quinn: i will tell you when i get it [9:12:35 PM] Marc Quinn: oh it's just on invisible but i only just got here [9:12:43 PM] Marc Quinn: i thought i had missed the deadline [9:13:00 PM] Marc Quinn: Now looking at chez's post i am pretty sure that mz is mafia [9:13:08 PM] Marc Quinn: also that wiggles is likely town [9:14:26 PM] Marc Quinn: also rayne is an idiot for saying i have done fishing stuff because i haven't in thread an it hints that i am blue [9:16:02 PM] Marc Quinn: what do you think? [9:16:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: hold ontalking toa guy at work [9:17:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kk [9:17:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wait did he literally call your name out? [9:17:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also wtf rayn fishes way more than you do xD [9:18:11 PM] Marc Quinn: he did a list coluored me red and said i was fishing which tells ppl we are connected through pms [9:18:19 PM] Marc Quinn: fishy as in strange [9:18:30 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: where's the post (if you have it convenient) [9:18:42 PM] Marc Quinn: right below the one i just linked [9:18:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly's graph is not complete, but it's useful [9:19:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: man rayn is like, center [9:19:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also slight annoyance at kholly using green onhis own name [9:19:29 PM] Marc Quinn: but yeah so if you look at mz's wagon wiggles is the only person on it that we don't know is town [9:19:35 PM] Marc Quinn: (well i know i am town) [9:19:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i get it's the graph he made, but still it's pretty dumb [9:19:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz noone else is coloured based on his reads [9:20:11 PM] Marc Quinn: so if mz was town mafia needed 1-2 players at most to get him lynched [9:20:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly moved off MZ last second onto VE [9:20:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: didn't he? [9:20:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: is that not suspect as fuck? [9:20:28 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz MZ was so close to being lynched day 1 [9:20:29 PM] Marc Quinn: ye and know [9:20:38 PM] Marc Quinn: it's suspect if mz flips town [9:20:46 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wait what? [9:20:50 PM] Marc Quinn: wait [9:20:53 PM] Marc Quinn: other way [9:20:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: I thought it's suspect if MZ is scum [9:20:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: yeah lol [9:21:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: like kholly's last second behavior was so suspect. [9:21:09 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if MZ flips scum [9:21:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: MZ was top on the chopping block day 1 [9:21:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and then he just kinda got forgotten [9:21:45 PM] Marc Quinn: the thing is if kholly is town then he doesn't know if VE and MZ are town/mafia [9:21:56 PM] Marc Quinn: but if he is scum [9:21:59 PM] Marc Quinn: and mz is town [9:22:06 PM] Marc Quinn: then he looks better on the mz wagon [9:22:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno why he has to vote switch last minute period [9:22:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's suspect nomatter what alignment people turn out [9:22:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i could see switching OFF VE last second if you just came to the thread and read his claim [9:22:35 PM] Marc Quinn: because with VE's full claim anyone on him looks terrible [9:23:00 PM] Marc Quinn: and the VE wagon had at least 2 mafia on it (sloosh yam) [9:23:10 PM] Marc Quinn: and probably snb [9:23:12 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: hmmm [9:23:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: you think they'd do that? [9:23:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's 3/6 mafia [9:23:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: just full on bandwagoning on the claim'd guy [9:23:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: or like [9:23:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if we think oats is scum [9:23:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's 4/6lolololol [9:23:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if kholly [9:23:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 5/6 except Ace LOLOLIOLOL [9:24:02 PM] Marc Quinn: i would need to check but i am pretty sure those that had voted him would just afk after the claim so they look less anti-town [9:24:13 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya sloosh and yama afk'd [9:24:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: snb was like, i don't give a fuck if he claimed im voting for him (wut? o-o;  [9:24:30 PM] Marc Quinn: but the mafia being together makes a lot more sense if mz is scum [9:24:33 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: uh, * (o-o;; ) [9:25:19 PM] Marc Quinn: because we know that wagon had loads of town on it and in the case of mz being town it is a much better mislynch for mafia because they have less players on it and because of VE's claim [9:25:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya MZ is way better to lynch [9:25:49 PM] Marc Quinn: for mafia if he is town [9:25:59 PM] Marc Quinn: plus they can put pressure on his voters [9:26:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sloosh and yama afk [9:26:11 PM] Marc Quinn: for another mislynch [9:26:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: snb saw it and then was like fuck it i vote for VE anyways [9:26:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno why snb would do that [9:26:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: this whole game he's been like fuck it i do what i want [9:26:53 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 1. fuck it vote for someone who claims a checkable role [9:26:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 2. fuck it shoot ace in the face [9:27:03 PM] Marc Quinn: cus VE shouldn't be claiming like a baddie [9:27:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why? [9:27:16 PM] Marc Quinn: as a sidenote i will always vote for VE when he does that [9:27:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: I'd claim if I was about to get lynched [9:27:21 PM] Marc Quinn: it really fucks me off [9:27:24 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: xD [9:27:29 PM] Marc Quinn: because he didn't need to claim [9:27:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: note to self: never claim to layabout?  [9:27:35 PM] Marc Quinn: he wasn't in the lead [9:27:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wasn't he? [9:27:51 PM] Marc Quinn: and he could no longer confirm his role that day [9:27:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz people jumped off him after he claimed [9:28:01 PM] Marc Quinn: so he is ery unlikely to get to use his role [9:28:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why [9:28:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i would've let him live and then use it the next day [9:28:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: or if mafia believes him they kill him at night to remove 1 town KP [9:28:47 PM] Marc Quinn: yes we should but he shouldn't repeatedly put us in those positions [9:28:57 PM] Marc Quinn: VE has claimed medic on day1 before as the medic [9:29:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya so it's something he does [9:29:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and america is way provable compared to medic [9:30:25 PM] Marc Quinn: but when you claim for no reason you put town in an awkward position where they have no reason to beleive your claim and they don't want to kill you in case you are telling the truth but can't give you a free pass because lying to stay alive makes more sense than claiming for no reason [9:30:47 PM] Marc Quinn: yeah but once he cant use his power then he should just stay quiet [9:31:02 PM] Marc Quinn: saying that [9:31:17 PM] Marc Quinn: my problem was that he never explained his role either [9:31:33 PM] Marc Quinn: and i thought he could shoot but was not going to [9:32:12 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: enh [9:32:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i mean not going into it super deep, i wouldn't have gone for VE [9:32:57 PM] Marc Quinn: i kind of got a bit ranty [9:33:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: you do that like... all the time. xD [9:33:15 PM] Marc Quinn: but i have played in at least 4 games where he has ruined day1 with a dumb ass claim [9:33:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: yeah well that doesnt make him scummy [9:35:19 PM] Marc Quinn: but when someone does something that has no benefits at all for you to do town but that is beneficial to do as mafia it's really frustrating and silly [9:35:37 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: *shrug* can't lynch stupid people to win [9:37:48 PM] Marc Quinn: Meapak_Ziphh strongandbig Oatsmaster Node Adam4167 [9:37:53 PM] Marc Quinn: scumteam ^ [9:37:56 PM] Marc Quinn: thoughts? [9:38:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: like i said [9:38:50 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: snb and oats would be so suspect [9:39:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's 4/6 on VE [9:39:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cant be real [9:39:26 PM] Marc Quinn: however we know that slOosh is mafia and slOosh was set to be lynched [9:39:47 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya but [9:39:47 PM] Marc Quinn: til the MZ wagon and switch from VE and kholly [9:39:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: there was 3-5 or w/e towns people on MZ [9:40:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's putting all your eggs in one basket [9:40:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sigh [9:40:34 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lemme go back and see who did the unvotes [9:40:37 PM] Marc Quinn: i have been in a scumteam that did that on day 1 [9:40:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lololol [9:40:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: did you vote with them? [9:40:55 PM] Marc Quinn: all 4 of us voted for redff after he claimed tracker and we got him lynched [9:41:17 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lolwut [9:41:22 PM] Marc Quinn: storm mafia [9:41:25 PM] Marc Quinn: really fucked up game [9:41:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok so [9:41:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: let's go back [9:41:59 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: oats votes for VE, ok [9:41:59 PM] Marc Quinn: the most improtant thing i learned from that game [9:42:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayne 1 for sloosh [9:42:16 PM] Marc Quinn: is that if RoL is ever on your team as scum bus the shit out of him [9:42:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: vayne 2nd for sloosh [9:42:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: bro, i bussed his ass in a mini and won, it's cool [9:42:43 PM] Marc Quinn: see!!! [9:42:55 PM] Marc Quinn: LOL [9:43:26 PM] Marc Quinn: but i can't see there being any mafia on slOosh [9:43:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe goes for VE [9:43:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kush votes for sloosh [9:43:49 PM] Marc Quinn: all it would have taken was one of those guys to unvote then switch back and VE would have been set to be lynched [9:43:52 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: quite a few other guys were voted on [9:44:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles started on MZ vote [9:44:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE votes sloosh [9:44:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sloosh and yama come in 30min apart and vote for VE [9:44:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT goes for VE [9:44:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: vivas goes for sloosh [9:44:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: squiches to ace [9:44:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: back to sloosh xD [9:44:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe's on snb [9:44:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ace, snb, you go on VE [9:45:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE had 7, sloosh had 5 [9:45:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at this point we had [9:45:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig layabout kholly [9:45:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes [9:45:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: for sloosh [9:45:51 PM] Marc Quinn: then FT goes on slOosh and i go on mz [9:45:53 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT goes for sloosh [9:46:01 PM] Marc Quinn: so slOosh hit 6 votes before VE does [9:46:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: you go for mz from VE [9:46:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no [9:46:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE hit 7 [9:46:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: when sloosh had 5 [9:46:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at some point [9:46:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and that was the snapshot at that point [9:46:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and MZ was like, nowhere near the lead [9:46:42 PM] Marc Quinn: but sOosh 6 VE 7 ->slosh 6 VE 6 [9:46:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at that point [9:47:03 PM] Marc Quinn: leaves sloosh lynched because it's based on who reaches the number first [9:47:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: what? [9:47:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: reached first from above, not below... [9:47:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok that's too confusing [9:47:52 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im done with this vote analysis xD [9:48:00 PM] Marc Quinn: but you miss the best bit [9:48:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ? [9:48:22 PM] Marc Quinn: when gumshoe vote mz [9:48:34 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sigh do i have to go back and do this ;( [9:48:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: So MZ had 1 [9:48:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at the 7 6 1 [9:49:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT goes on sloosh, you go on MZ [9:49:05 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: malongo goes on MZ [9:49:09 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly goes on MZ [9:49:13 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe goes on MZ [9:49:35 PM] Marc Quinn: sloosh is on 6 mz is on 5 and ve is on 5 sloosh to die [9:50:06 PM] Marc Quinn: kholly switches so sloosh 6 VE 6 mz 4 sloosh dying [9:50:21 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: we get 6, 5, 5? [9:50:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no 6 on VE [9:50:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: from 7 [9:50:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wait you [9:50:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i didnt count you [9:50:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 5, 5, 5? [9:50:59 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ugh this is so annoying [9:51:02 PM] Marc Quinn: then ve switches to mz and sloosh goes to 5 ve stays on 6 and mz goes to 5 [9:51:07 PM] Marc Quinn: and VE killed himself [9:51:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lemme try again [9:51:26 PM] Marc Quinn: i have it right [9:51:28 PM] Marc Quinn: i think [9:51:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: T__T [9:51:33 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why are we doing this [9:51:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: my brain hurts [9:51:48 PM] Marc Quinn: hmmm [9:52:01 PM] Marc Quinn: to understand how scum might have switched [9:52:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FINE [9:52:06 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok [9:52:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: dont type for a sec [9:52:10 PM] Marc Quinn: but i cant remmeber why we started [9:52:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: RIGHT NOW VisceraEyes - 7 Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig layabout kholly [9:52:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: RIGHT NOW Sloosh - 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes [9:52:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Meapak_ziphh - 1 Mr. Wiggles [9:52:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: CHANGES: [9:52:59 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT -> sloosh, FT not on that list, so +1 SLOOSH [9:53:13 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: layabout VE -> MZ, -1 VE, +1 MZ [9:53:26 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Malongo -> MZ, not on that list, so +1 MZ [9:53:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly : -1 VE, +1 MZ [9:53:47 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe +1 MZ [9:53:58 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so before kholly and VE at the last second [9:54:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: we have [9:54:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE 5, SLOOSH 6, MZ 5 [9:54:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly does something nonsensical [9:54:46 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and VE was switching from sloosh to MZ, which makes perfect sense [9:54:59 PM] Marc Quinn: but kholly doesn't kill VE [9:55:10 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so the thing is [9:55:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly, 3 min before lynch [9:55:17 PM] Marc Quinn: and VE's switch got him killed instead of sloosh [9:55:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: did something COMPLETELY USELESS TECHNICALLY [9:55:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he thought he was switching from 5, 6, 5 to 6, 6, 4 [9:55:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and like you said, sloosh got there first [9:55:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so kholly would be doing something absolutely useless [9:56:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and the VE thought he was going 5 6 5 to 5 5 6, and he prefered MZ over sloosh, whatever. [9:56:09 PM] Marc Quinn: so what i am saying [9:56:28 PM] Marc Quinn: 1 no mafia on sloosh wagon [9:56:37 PM] Marc Quinn: 2 no mafia on mz wagon [9:57:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why? [9:57:21 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: mz wagon was good at the end [9:57:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles was super early though [9:57:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so prob not wiggles [9:57:52 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles voted for MZ when noone else did [9:57:54 PM] Marc Quinn: because we can say that mafia did not cause VE to get lynched [9:57:56 PM] Marc Quinn: VE did [9:58:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wtf was kholly doing [9:58:09 PM] Marc Quinn: but mafia could very easily have gotten MZ lynched [9:58:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sow hy didnt they [9:58:25 PM] Marc Quinn: ignore kholly for now [9:58:34 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kk [9:59:15 PM] Marc Quinn: but mafia did not get mz lynched even though if mz is town he is a safer mislynch for them to be on [9:59:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: mz is scum> [9:59:36 PM] Marc Quinn: yes [9:59:46 PM] Marc Quinn: which also fits with other things: [10:00:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: who were your suspects? (sorry scrolling is hard )[10:00:14 PM] Marc Quinn: all the logs involving marv are genuine if mz is scum but faked if mz is town [10:00:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also did you ask about whether scum/sk is same alignment in cop check?? [10:00:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz im mad at you if you didnt [10:00:41 PM] Marc Quinn: mz snb adam and oatsmaster [10:00:55 PM] Marc Quinn: no answer yet but i dont think there is an sk [10:01:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok but you did ask r ight? [10:01:08 PM] Marc Quinn: in addition look at mz's posts on day1 [10:01:14 PM] Marc Quinn: i asked [10:01:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz we dont want to like, lynch mz, see he's scum, and then let marv off the hook [10:01:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz marv looks weird too [10:01:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also i dont like mz's defence [10:01:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayn liked it [10:01:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he thinks the "fine just lynch us both" is a proper response [10:01:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: MZ never questions the cop, ever. [10:01:50 PM] Marc Quinn: marv is weird but he replaced and was in pm's, [10:01:54 PM] Marc Quinn: hapa was a bit odd [10:01:59 PM] Marc Quinn: but never the less [10:02:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Because I don't think there is an sk in the game. Or maybe he is. Either way I'm town so he can die. [10:02:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ^ that's MZ [10:02:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wtf attitude is that [10:02:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he claims town so Marv can go die [10:02:15 PM] Marc Quinn: mz doesn't like the wagons on VE or sloosh [10:02:24 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ? [10:03:02 PM] Marc Quinn: oh that attitude makes sense in that both of them should wna tthe other lynched [10:03:07 PM] Marc Quinn: want* [10:03:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why? [10:03:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why dont they question cop?? [10:03:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: they dont even know who claimed cop [10:03:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and they dont question that at all [10:03:36 PM] Marc Quinn: because a check say you have different teams [10:03:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: BUT THE CHECK COULD BE FAKED [10:03:50 PM] Marc Quinn: but you are right ( and i was going to get on to this) [10:04:15 PM] Marc Quinn: that mafia know the check is genuine and are more likely to go along with it immediately [10:04:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: They pay zero attention to cop check, even though they dont know at all whether it came from someone scummy or not (hell it could've come from SnB iunno) [10:04:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: So that's scummy to me [10:04:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: marv is like LOOK AT ME IM TOWN LOOK AT THIS AWESOME CHAT LOG [10:04:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and MZ is like, lol lynch that bitch [10:04:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lynch me too if you want, but seriously lynch that bitch marv [10:05:16 PM] Marc Quinn: but marv has done some things that are townlike whilst mz has sat on his ass [10:05:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i mean marv could be SK and mz scum, but we dont know yet = [10:05:40 PM] Marc Quinn: it would be weird for marv to fake those logs [10:05:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if marv is sk [10:05:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: none of the logs are faked [10:06:18 PM] Marc Quinn: i have already said why i dont like sk [10:06:29 PM] Marc Quinn: but it would mean that town need to lynch 8 ppl [10:06:56 PM] Marc Quinn: but would still lose with 4 (it's normally balanced aound 4) mislynches [10:07:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no but [10:07:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: we dont have to worry about marv right now [10:07:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im just saying, we can't clear him if MZ turns out scum [10:07:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: until you get an answer back [10:07:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so whatever [10:07:28 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no point talking about it [10:07:31 PM] Marc Quinn: +it would mean a 6 man scumteam with basically 1 kp [10:07:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: until you get an answer back from RoL [10:07:43 PM] Marc Quinn: but look at mz on day1 [10:07:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no it's fine [10:07:58 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i agree MZ looks scummy [10:07:59 PM] Marc Quinn: he doesn't want to join either of the lynches [10:08:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im saying dont rule out marv yet [10:08:33 PM] Marc Quinn: hey i am willing to leave "not mafia" alone til we have real evidence [10:08:42 PM] Marc Quinn: as for the rest [10:08:55 PM] Marc Quinn: oats is probably the leak [10:09:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why would rayn tell him though... [10:09:16 PM] Marc Quinn: because rayn is rayn [10:09:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lololol [10:09:22 PM] Marc Quinn: rayn does things [10:09:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayn claims to not trust oats... [10:09:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and then i dont even [10:09:34 PM] Marc Quinn: i think he stopped trusting him [10:09:48 PM] Marc Quinn: after oats went quiet after rayne shared info [10:09:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: well first he said [10:09:58 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im framing oats i wanna see how people react [10:10:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: to bait mafia [10:10:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and then now he claims to not trust oats [10:10:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lol [10:10:12 PM] Marc Quinn: +slOosh-marv suggests there was a leak [10:10:28 PM] Marc Quinn: then we have you me town [10:10:30 PM] Marc Quinn: rayn town [10:10:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno man [10:10:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno about rayn [10:11:02 PM] Marc Quinn: from voting wiggles vayn and kushm4startown [10:11:26 PM] Marc Quinn: we can talk about rayn if you like but him being town makes way more sense than all the bs involved in him being scum [10:11:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: yeah i know >_< [10:11:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's the problem i have [10:11:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: there's so much shit around rayn [10:11:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: but he keeps looking scummy to me ;_; [10:11:49 PM] Marc Quinn: +he has pardon and there was a bodyguard which was prolly linked to him [10:12:08 PM] Marc Quinn: hang on [10:12:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if rayn is mafia he can claim pardoner to protect himself from lynches [10:12:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also sloosh got pardoned [10:12:33 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sooo, wat [10:12:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: who the hell would pardon sloosh [10:12:47 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: what are the chances there's 2 pardoners [10:12:50 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: in a 24 man game [10:13:28 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also [10:13:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayn didnt say directly in the thread [10:13:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he didnt pardon sloosh [10:13:37 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he told me in PM [10:13:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: in thread he just made vague gestures [10:14:13 PM] Marc Quinn: it's sort of implied that he wouldn't say he used it either way [10:14:20 PM] Marc Quinn: because then we would lynch him [10:14:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: filter On July 21 2013 13:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Well. Rayn wtf was that? Well. Oats are you dumb? If there are vigis alive you know what to do. [10:14:26 PM] Marc Quinn: so he doesn't need to say it [10:14:34 PM] Marc Quinn: sort of like how no one claims town [10:14:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: "Ofc i do. Why the fuck would i pardon a guy whose lynch i have pushed for two days straight? And as i said im not gonna use the power." [10:14:56 PM] Marc Quinn: because by playing we are all claiming to be town [10:14:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Are there really 2 pardoners? [10:15:16 PM] Marc Quinn: maybe i reckon it's a sort of copycat [10:15:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Like I said day1 (or day 2, whenever I subbed in), claiming pardoner is pretty good [10:15:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: copycat sounds even more crazy [10:15:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why not copy someone with KP [10:15:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: like ace or FT [10:15:53 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: * VE [10:15:56 PM] Marc Quinn: ft was jailkeeper [10:15:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ^ [10:16:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ace or VE [10:16:18 PM] Marc Quinn: well ace and ve were dead and rayne was alive so maybe thats how it works [10:16:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: or SnB [10:16:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: SnB shot someone [10:16:37 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why not get the shoot someone in thef ace power [10:16:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: instead of pardoning scum that's going to get lynched anyway [10:16:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also it's a normal game [10:16:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: chances of copycat seems pretty low [10:17:22 PM] Marc Quinn: pardoning is great because it kills the thread give you another night cylce and all the other stuff [10:17:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: o-o;; [10:17:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Uhm. [10:17:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=57#1124 [10:17:56 PM] Marc Quinn: shit [10:18:01 PM] Marc Quinn: well you have my reads [10:18:06 PM] Marc Quinn: and my logs [10:18:06 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: shut up you're dead [/spoiler] AND SOME MORE SHIT THAT I CUT OUT PREVIOUS POST AND NOW IT IS ALL BAD FORMATTED. This is the last message khyronne sent me. Trying to lure me away from SnB. Original Message From Korynne: Dude, I'm really not liking this wagon on SnB. Reason is because MYLO, there's no way this many people just jump on the SnB bus. If there is no SK, mafia wins after tonight. You think they'd all just jump on an SnB wagon when Marv/MZ are perfectly reasonable targets? Last time there was so much consensus on Sloosh was because there was a pardon and pardoners have to pick an action before the deadline. So it makes sense for everyone to pile on Sloosh because it makes the pardon guaranteed. If it was like Day 1, someone might want to pardon Sloosh/MZ/VE and accidentally the wrong one (see kholly/VE last minute). I'm worried Koshiiiiii. D: | ||
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The scumteam is approx: SnB VA Wiggles Kyronne Their goal today is to let us lynch into Marv/MZ. There are 2 possible reasons why: 1) We lynch wrong and they kill 2 tonight and they win the game. 2) They believe there is a SK between those 2 and want town to lynch him. (Read logs between me and Korynne) If you look at them all separately: SnB: scum vigi. We all read his defense, he was trying to lynch marv or the SK. (teamtactic) VA: Been an annoyance the entire game. Tried to save SnB which isn't scummy in theory, especially with all the other crap he has been posting, but this guy also has been trying to get MZ, marv lynched. Lately he is also pleased to lynch Oats/Koshi. Wiggles: afk. Made a post right before night that something BIG was going to happen. Made a post after the night that we need to lynch into Marv/MZ (teamtactic) Korynne: Traitor that had layabout killed. Made multiple post in this thread to lynch in to Marv/MZ (You see the pattern?...) tried to persuade me to look at rayn as the traitor, tried to persuade me to save SnB. The logs below are quite scummy on moments as well. Here are logs between me and Korynne. <DISCLAIMER: I am being a jack-ass somewhere in the middle> + Show Spoiler + [20:04] <Korynne> bro [20:04] <Korynne> why you so crazy [20:04] <Korynne> How is it not Marv/MZ? [20:04] <Korynne> That's insane man/ [20:04] <Korynne> Layabout flipped. [20:05] <@Koshi> Oh hi [20:05] <@Koshi> I just made an insane long post why you are scum [20:05] <@Koshi> D: [20:05] <Korynne> lol wtf broski [20:05] <Korynne> *reads* [20:06] <Korynne> broski [20:06] <Korynne> Do you not get what I'm saying with SnB? [20:06] <Korynne> I play mechanical more than behaviour. [20:06] <Korynne> Mechanically, there's like a 90% chance of MZ/Marv being mafia/SK. [20:06] <@Koshi> I am just trowing this shit out htere [20:06] <@Koshi> Who knows. [20:06] <Korynne> You still wanna talk or you good with accusing me instead? [20:07] <@Koshi> Nope [20:07] <@Koshi> I will talk [20:07] <@Koshi> And post these logs as well :D [20:07] <Korynne> whadaya wanna talk about :3 [20:07] <Korynne> oh em gee [20:07] <Korynne> better make sure i dont give off any scum tells [20:07] <@Koshi> My new theory [20:07] <@Koshi> Why is it so crazy? [20:07] <@Koshi> It actually makes perfect sense [20:07] <@Koshi> IF you 4 would be scum [20:07] <@Koshi> It's perfect scumplay [20:08] <@Koshi> I am just THE KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> Should have shot the KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> THE KOSHI* [20:09] <Korynne> lol [20:09] <Korynne> who 4? [20:10] <@Koshi> SnB Vayne Wiggles Khyronne [20:10] <@Koshi> Got to read man D: [20:10] <Korynne> no cuz [20:10] <Korynne> before you said 4 [20:10] <Korynne> without me [20:10] <Korynne> so li3k [20:10] <Korynne> Also why you keep butchering my name [20:10] <Korynne> in the most obnoxious not even close fashion [20:12] <@Koshi> Yeah I am bad with names [20:12] <@Koshi> Sorry [20:12] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:12] <Korynne> [20:12] <Korynne> Anyways [20:12] <@Koshi> rayn looks actually really town to me. [20:12] <@Koshi> But you. [20:12] <Korynne> I don't get the conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> Its not a conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> It's fits perfectly [20:13] <@Koshi> it* [20:13] <@Koshi> You guys want to lynch wrong in the MZ/marv [20:13] <@Koshi> It's perfect because both are town. [20:13] <Korynne> How do you explain layabout? [20:13] <@Koshi> Framer [20:13] <Korynne> Bro [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> if mafia managed to frame that good [20:14] <Korynne> This is a normal game [20:14] <@Koshi> Nononono [20:14] <@Koshi> Luck is good [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> Why are people popping up like 30471038571386 roles everywhere? [20:14] <@Koshi> Dnu [20:14] <Korynne> Does miller know he's miller? [20:14] <@Koshi> nope [20:14] <@Koshi> Normally not [20:14] <@Koshi> he gets VT role [20:14] <@Koshi> But who cares [20:15] <@Koshi> Let's say he is miller/framer [20:15] <@Koshi> How is it conspiracy? [20:15] <@Koshi> You 4 are activily doing this [20:15] <@Koshi> VA is being an jackass towards MZ and Marv [20:15] <@Koshi> He is being blatantly wrong about so many things [20:15] <@Koshi> While he pushes this agenda [20:16] <Korynne> What are the chances there's a framer/miller? Pretty low. [20:16] <@Koshi> You still agree SnB needs to get shot? [20:16] <Korynne> Yeah but this is MYLO. [20:16] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE ABOUT THE MILLER/FRAMER [20:16] <@Koshi> LETS SAY IT IS THERE [20:16] <@Koshi> WHAT ABOUT MY THEORY THEN? [20:16] <Korynne> Everyone's jumping their asses on SnB. [20:16] <Korynne> So that's suspect. [20:17] <Korynne> Like, everyone seems to be like, oh hey, this marv/mz thing sounsd good... NEVERMIND I VOTE SNB [20:17] <@Koshi> Nope not everybody [20:17] <Korynne> There's 4/11 mafia [20:17] <@Koshi> You 4 aren't [20:17] <@Koshi> Oats thinks marv/MZ are town [20:17] <Korynne> Yeah great scum strat, all go on the same bus, die together. [20:17] <@Koshi> MZ is being butthurt towards marv the entire game [20:17] <@Koshi> Marv is being annoyed by my stupidity [20:17] <@Koshi> You don't go to the same bus [20:18] <@Koshi> You all go to the same tactic [20:18] <@Koshi> that luckily for you got enhanced by a town plurity cop [20:18] <@Koshi> So it's amazing [20:19] <@Koshi> It fits so well [20:19] <@Koshi> insanely well [20:19] <@Koshi> like perfect [20:19] <@Koshi> it fits [20:20] <Korynne> Iunno how to explain. [20:20] <@Koshi> Ok you don't have to. [20:20] <@Koshi> PM me. [20:20] <Korynne> Like, I play mechanically, cop check is more reliable to me than reads. [20:21] <Korynne> Like, I'm not into this whole like, let's assume there's 50 roles inthe game thing. [20:22] <Korynne> I don't really believe Oats (30%?) and if he is cop then great, MZ is confirmed. [20:22] <Korynne> But no, let's all wave around the idea of framers and millers [20:23] <Korynne> I'm not defending SnB, I'm okay with lynching him yesterday (if sloosh didnt get pardoned) or tomorrow after we kill MZ scum. [20:23] <Korynne> I don't understand why the whole town seems to be like [20:23] <Korynne> oh a check, naw there's no way that's legit. [20:23] <Korynne> I mean now let's pull like 10 roles out of our asses. [20:23] <Korynne> Yeah that's about right, good. Ok, now we can lynch SnB. [20:24] <Korynne> There's 4 mafia left. [20:24] <Korynne> 1. If SnB is mafia, he's vigi. [20:24] <Korynne> 2. Mafia pardoner, either Rayn or some guy who's a pardoner. [20:24] <Korynne> 3. Yama was a silencer [20:25] <Korynne> You think they have a framer as well? [20:25] <@Koshi> Nope. Probably miller then [20:25] <Korynne> Great, so much coincidence. [20:25] <@Koshi> But you know what I think is strange [20:25] <Korynne> If miller doesn't know who he is [20:25] <@Koshi> That you don't want to accept that this is actually a legit strat [20:25] <Korynne> There's like a, 2/20 or like a 2/10 chance it lands on marv/mz. [20:26] <Korynne> It's too circumstancial [20:26] <Korynne> *circumstantial [20:26] <@Koshi> It isn't [20:26] <@Koshi> It's perfect in this theory [20:26] <@Koshi> It happned [20:26] <Korynne> Everyone just pulls roles out of their asses when they need to explain something. [20:26] <@Koshi> happened [20:26] <@Koshi> Nope [20:26] <@Koshi> Miller was there from the start [20:26] <Korynne> Well obviously he'd have to be there from the start. [20:26] <@Koshi> Indeed [20:27] <Korynne> What kind of statement is that xD [20:27] <@Koshi> And when a town cop went to look between MZ and Marv. [20:27] <@Koshi> ONLY THEN [20:27] <@Koshi> Scum made the play to lynch between these 2 [20:27] <Korynne> Why not leave layabout alive then? [20:27] <@Koshi> What? [20:27] <@Koshi> Why would they? [20:27] <Korynne> If layabout is alive right now. [20:27] <Korynne> There would be a 3rd check. [20:27] <Korynne> And we would gladly lynch whoever is the odd man out right? [20:28] <Korynne> Unless it's like, Rayn, Marv and MZ or.. iunno, whoever you want to pretend is like, the towniest of towns. [20:28] <Korynne> Or like, SnB marv and MZ. [20:28] <Korynne> Point is, if you let layabout live [20:28] <Korynne> he gets a 3rd check in [20:28] <Korynne> and it's ez pz lynch that guy [20:28] <@Koshi> Ok m8. [20:28] <@Koshi> We are different from opinion atm [20:28] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent [20:28] <@Koshi> that's ok [20:28] <@Koshi> I have been wrong so much this game [20:28] <Korynne> You know what I'm saying though [20:28] <Korynne> re layabout? [20:28] <@Koshi> Maybe this time as well :D [20:29] <@Koshi> Yup. [20:29] <Korynne> Like I dont need you to agree, I just need you to understand what I asid. [20:29] <Korynne> Ya [20:29] <Korynne> So like, you can circlejerk this shit all over the place. [20:29] <@Koshi> But you guys killed him with the plan to push into MZ/Marv [20:29] <@Koshi> After that it would be ez win for you lads [20:29] <Korynne> No but don't you see. [20:29] <@Koshi> But let's other people take a mppl at it [20:29] <Korynne> Like look. [20:29] <@Koshi> mppl = look [20:29] <Korynne> We started night at 4/13 [20:30] <Korynne> If mafia kills 2 towns, that's 4/11, AND LEAVE LAYABOUT ALIVE, ok? [20:30] <Korynne> Now layabout comes back the next day [20:30] <Korynne> he's like, yo X is same alignment as Marv/MZ. [20:30] <@Koshi> I don't care about OTHER SCUM PLAYS [20:30] <Korynne> ...? [20:30] <@Koshi> I DON'T CARE [20:30] <Korynne> Uh, wat? [20:30] <@Koshi> You say my theory is bad [20:30] <Korynne> Bad is not the right word [20:31] <Korynne> Circumstantial is the word I'm going for [20:31] <@Koshi> And you counter with another scum theory [20:31] <Korynne> and also I'm explaining why that's unlikely [20:31] <@Koshi> Nope [20:31] <@Koshi> Scum went for this [20:31] <Korynne> ? [20:31] <@Koshi> Hmm [20:31] <@Koshi> Look [20:31] <@Koshi> I want [20:31] <@Koshi> to let marv take a look [20:31] <@Koshi> :D [20:31] <Korynne> Sure you can post the logs when we're done. [20:31] <@Koshi> Let's end this here [20:31] <Korynne> Why? [20:31] <Korynne> You're like completely ignoring me. [20:31] <@Koshi> Vote for me. I don't care. [20:31] <Korynne> You're like NOPE NOPE DONT CARE BYE [20:31] <@Koshi> Yup [20:31] <@Koshi> Exactly [20:31] <Korynne> Wtf man. [20:31] <@Koshi> Bye [20:32] <Korynne> Are you serious?! [20:32] <Korynne> I have to sit here and be like [20:32] <Korynne> Oh Koshi that's an amazing theory [20:32] <Korynne> wow you just solved everything [20:32] <@Koshi> Thx! [20:32] <Korynne> You're amazing props [20:32] <@Koshi> I AM THE KOSHI [20:32] <Korynne> And then when I'm like, ehh, that seems weird [20:32] <Korynne> you're like OMG NO SHUT UP IM PASTING LOGS BYE [20:32] <Korynne> wtf? [20:32] <@Koshi> Nope [20:32] <@Koshi> I was going to post logs anyway [20:32] <Korynne> Yeah I know. [20:32] <Korynne> You said that. [20:32] <Korynne> But I don't get why I can't explain things. [20:32] <Korynne> Here [20:32] <@Koshi> I can't discuss this with you m8. [20:33] <Korynne> Why?? [20:33] <@Koshi> I think you are scum [20:33] <@Koshi> I am tunneling you [20:33] <Korynne> You're posting logs anyways! [20:33] <@Koshi> I cant think straight [20:33] <Korynne> Who cares? [20:33] <@Koshi> Ok sure. [20:33] <Korynne> if I talk more you get more evidence [20:33] <@Koshi> Keep posting. [20:33] <@Koshi> I will add your defense as well [20:33] <Korynne> Like wtf is kbye. [20:33] <@Koshi> Thats why I post logs [20:33] <Korynne> Anyways. [20:33] <Korynne> Yeah you're pasting logs, I get it. [20:33] <@Koshi> I am posting them so you can defend yourself [20:34] <@Koshi> I am not certain on you [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on VA [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on anybody [20:34] <Korynne> Why can't I defend myself here [20:34] <Korynne> instead of wasting a post [20:34] <@Koshi> Please do [20:34] <Korynne> in a post limit thing [20:34] <Korynne> No but what I was saying, before you got all kthxbai on me. [20:34] <Korynne> Is that, let us assume, Marv and MZ are not mafia, and framer/miller/wahtever. [20:34] <Korynne> Ok, so if I was mafia, I would leave layabout alive. [20:35] <Korynne> Because he'll come back during the day and be like, yo, here's my check on X, and it's same/diff as marv/mz. [20:35] <Korynne> And then you can easily get town to lynch marv/mz for being the odd man out. [20:35] <Korynne> So if they're both innocent, that's so good for mafia. [20:35] <Korynne> They can just sit back and let layabout come up with his check. [20:36] <Korynne> So I don't see why, if marv/mz are both innocent, they'd kill layabout. [20:36] <Korynne> If marv/mz is not innocent, then killing layabout prevents town from knowing which one of the two is guilty. [20:36] <Korynne> because he doesn't get his 3rd check in [20:37] <Korynne> And you're not even here are you... you're just waiting for me to be done and copy pasta. -.- [20:38] <Korynne> Like I don't think you're mafia... I'm just trying to let you see where I'm coming from. [20:38] <Korynne> And I'd appreciate it if you gave it as much thought as I gave to your theory. [20:39] <@Koshi> I was eating. [20:39] <@Koshi> Sorry. [20:40] <@Koshi> I must admit I was a bit rude before [20:40] <@Koshi> Or a lot :D [20:40] <@Koshi> I agree with what you say. That is another way scum could have played this [20:40] <@Koshi> Maybe even better [20:40] <Korynne> So like *shrug* [20:41] <@Koshi> What about we swap you and rayn in the scum list? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they didn't think about that theory? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they wanted to kill both cops? [20:41] <Korynne> I mean, Rayn is Rayn. [20:41] <Korynne> Iunno why you think Oats is fine. [20:41] <@Koshi> I have 2 theories atm [20:41] <@Koshi> Marv oats is scum [20:42] <@Koshi> And then this one [20:42] <Korynne> Rayn is rayn as in, he claimed pardoner [20:42] <@Koshi> But this one fits so good [20:42] <@Koshi> Imagine it is rayn indeed [20:42] <@Koshi> And he is the scum pardoner :D [20:42] <Korynne> But to me, this one fits so good in a like, omg look there's the face of jesus in my toast. [20:42] <@Koshi> Ah no [20:42] <@Koshi> I don't agree there [20:42] <@Koshi> You 4 are pushing into this marv/MZ thing [20:43] <@Koshi> VA is playing fishy [20:43] <@Koshi> You are trying to keep me away from SnB [20:43] <Korynne> VA seems to be defending SnB [20:43] <Korynne> I'm not keeping you away from SnB [20:43] <@Koshi> Wiggles comes to add into this MZ/Marv thing [20:43] <Korynne> me and Wiggles see the same thing I think [20:43] <Korynne> Which is like, we have a dead cop claim that these two guys are diff alignments [20:43] <Korynne> iunno why vayne is defending SnB that's just...yeah iunno. [20:44] <@Koshi> He is not only defending SnB. He is being strange all over the plae [20:44] <Korynne> Like if layabout wasn't dead today, ignoring what his check would give you, I would go for SnB. [20:44] <Korynne> Or like, if he checked SnB [20:44] <Korynne> I'm good with lynching SnB [20:44] <@Koshi> Are you now giving reasons why scum killed latabout :D ? [20:44] <Korynne> and then the guy that's scum according to layabout's check if we trust layabout [20:45] <Korynne> Basically [20:45] <Korynne> killing layabout [20:45] <Korynne> "confirms" his check [20:45] <Korynne> but [20:45] <Korynne> it doesn't confirm his alignment [20:45] <Korynne> I think ideal time to kill layabout is tonight instead of last night if mafia. [20:45] <@Koshi> That's the beauty of it. It confirms the lucky shit that 1 of MZ/marv is the miller [20:45] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent. [20:45] <Korynne> I think it makes the most sense [20:46] <Korynne> To kill layabout tonight [20:46] <Korynne> Because you get the 3 checks [20:46] <Korynne> and his confirmed alignment [20:46] <Korynne> and so you ahve to lynch the odd man out or w/e [20:46] <Korynne> you know? [20:46] <@Koshi> Maybe scum got cocky and wanted to save SnB? [20:46] <Korynne> For what? [20:46] <Korynne> He's gunna get lynched at some point [20:47] <Korynne> We're eventually gunna run out of shit to do [20:47] <@Koshi> Not when we go into the marv/MZ shit [20:47] <Korynne> Yeah but what I'm saying is [20:47] <@Koshi> And people are convinced 1 is scum [20:47] <Korynne> it's not about saving SnB [20:47] <Korynne> SnB is like, a number basically, if he's scum [20:47] <Korynne> Scum knows they can't save him, busing him is best strat probs [20:47] <Korynne> So it's not so much about saving snb [20:47] <Korynne> as like, delaying it and having him be a number [20:47] <Korynne> if that makes sense [20:48] <@Koshi> They got cocky with this. I agree with you. They got cocky and are now getting punished [20:48] <Korynne> Or like, if SnB is not scum (unlikely) then they're pushing it really hard today [20:48] <@Koshi> They should have bussed SnB [20:48] <Korynne> They still could be [20:48] <Korynne> Rayn voted for SnB [20:48] <Korynne> strongandbig (4): Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta [20:48] <@Koshi> I think Rayn is away for his Birthday [20:48] <@Koshi> And went for the easy bus [20:48] <Korynne> +marv [20:49] <Korynne> so that's 5 people on SnB already [20:49] <@Koshi> Sorry Kyronne. I really think this is it [20:49] <@Koshi> I am so confident [20:49] <@Koshi> I never felt like this in mafia [20:49] <@Koshi> never [20:49] <Korynne> lol [20:49] <Korynne> I mean if you feel it you feel it, I'm just giving my opinions. [20:49] <Korynne> We're all entitled to our own opinions and votes. [20:49] <@Koshi> Ok and I appreciate it. [20:49] <@Koshi> Yup [20:49] <Korynne> I'm just presenting my side, you're presenting yours. [20:49] <@Koshi> Let's hope that SnB flips scum [20:49] <Korynne> And if we talk this out here we save posts. [20:49] <@Koshi> And we can then decide on Marv/oats or this new crazy strat from me :D [20:50] <Korynne> Oh also. [20:50] <Korynne> What's your take on the Marv/Sloosh shenanigans? [20:50] <@Koshi> Or maybe it is SnB/Kyrone/Adam/wiggles that is scum [20:50] <@Koshi> Shit [20:50] <@Koshi> Butchered your name again [20:50] <Korynne> lol [20:50] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:50] <Korynne> even worse this time gg [20:50] <Korynne> Seems awkward though [20:50] <Korynne> 2 afks and me? (ignoring snb) [20:51] <@Koshi> I know [20:51] <Korynne> I wouldn't expect 2 afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything is possible [20:51] <Korynne> out of 4 mafia [20:51] <@Koshi> Koshi/Kyronne/Marv/VA [20:51] <Korynne> like snb is toast so w/e [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything can [20:51] <Korynne> lol no afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Put this theory [20:51] <@Koshi> But* [20:51] <@Koshi> It fits [20:51] <@Koshi> I love it [20:51] <@Koshi> If it is wrong [20:51] <Korynne> the one with you as scum? [20:51] <@Koshi> I will be sad [20:51] <@Koshi> hehe [20:51] <@Koshi> No [20:51] <Korynne> [20:52] <@Koshi> I will be like L [20:52] <@Koshi> (if you watched Death Note [20:52] <Korynne> Also you didn't answer me [20:52] <@Koshi> ) [20:52] <@Koshi> Sloosh/Marv? [20:52] <Korynne> Ya I don't remember what happens in death note anymore [20:52] <Korynne> The fact that Sloosh messaged marv [20:52] <Korynne> and was like yo SK [20:52] <@Koshi> Yeah [20:52] <@Koshi> supergay [20:52] <@Koshi> I don't know [20:52] <Korynne> Cuz like, if there is an SK [20:53] <Korynne> It's /very/ likely to be between Marv and MZ. [20:53] <@Koshi> And THAT IS WHY THESE 4 SCUM ARE DOING ALL THIS [20:53] <@Koshi> YOU FUCKING SOLVED IT [20:53] <@Koshi> THATS WHY [20:53] <@Koshi> THEY WANT THE SK [20:53] <Korynne> Wait but. [20:53] <@Koshi> Maybe there is [20:53] <@Koshi> FUCK YEAH [20:53] <Korynne> No, but problem is. [20:53] <Korynne> If there is an SK. [20:54] <Korynne> Then it's very likely that mafia has 1KP, and SK has 1 KP. [20:54] <Korynne> So doesn't that mean Marv/MZ is SK and we need to kill them first? [20:54] <Korynne> Cuz if mafia has 1 KP, then killing SnB doesn't do anything.' [20:54] <Korynne> Wait hold on [20:54] <Korynne> ok [20:54] <Korynne> let's assume [20:54] <Korynne> SnB is mafia [20:54] <Korynne> and Marv/MZ is SK [20:54] <Korynne> if we kill SnB [20:54] <Korynne> then 3/10 left [20:54] <@Koshi> We don't fucking know there is a SK [20:54] <Korynne> 2 KP at night [20:54] <Korynne> 3/8 tomorrow [20:54] <@Koshi> Kyronne. You are being scummy right now [20:55] <Korynne> ya hold on, this is an assume if there is an sk [20:55] <Korynne> bro you wanna chill while i math [20:55] <@Koshi> Math away! [20:55] <Korynne> so that's 3/8 tomorrow. [20:55] <Korynne> That's not bad [20:55] <Korynne> wait no [20:55] <Korynne> shit [20:55] <Korynne> uh [20:55] <Korynne> if it's 3/8 but there's an sk [20:55] <Korynne> uhhh [20:55] <Korynne> i dont know what that means actually [20:55] <Korynne> if there's 1 sk, 3 mafia and 4 town [20:55] <@Koshi> You should see me do maths at the end of Nuclear to lynch the SK :D. It was perfect math why town should kill the SK :D [20:56] <Korynne> What happens Koshi do you know? [20:56] <Korynne> If we end up with 1 sk 3 mafia and 4 town tomorrow [20:56] <Korynne> Is that a loss for town? [20:56] <@Koshi> It continues [20:56] <@Koshi> It always continues when SK is alive [20:56] <@Koshi> Unless 3 scum and 1 SK or something like that :D [20:57] <@Koshi> I had that problem in nuclear [20:57] <@Koshi> Stupid CaucasianAsian [20:57] <Korynne> cuz hrtr [20:57] <Korynne> *cuz here [20:57] <Korynne> http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Mislynch_and_Lose [20:57] <Korynne> it says if 1 mafia, 1 killer and 2 town then town loses [20:58] <Korynne> so wait [20:58] <@Koshi> I don't know tbh. Like what happens with 2 town and SK in the day. [20:58] <Korynne> if scum and sk left, then scum wins? [20:58] <@Koshi> I am pretty new [20:58] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE [20:58] <@Koshi> Really [20:58] <Korynne> o-o;; [20:58] <@Koshi> Do not care [20:58] <Korynne> So ok. [20:58] <Korynne> Here's the possible situations. [20:58] <Korynne> A) SnB scum, Marv/MZ both innocent [20:58] <Korynne> Whatever let's assume SnB is scum [20:59] <Korynne> B) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is scum [20:59] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is SK [20:59] <Korynne> so in A) [20:59] <@Koshi> Really m8. Are you trying to go into Marv/MZ after all? [20:59] <@Koshi> Jeez [21:00] <@Koshi> You are scum [21:00] <@Koshi> fuck this [21:00] <@Koshi> ... [21:00] <Korynne> 4/11, we kill SnB, 3/10, 1 person dies at night (mafia KP is prob #/3 if there's no SK), 3/9 tomorrow, we good. [21:00] <Korynne> Bro wtf, you jsut have to sit there why you fuck this fuck that. [21:00] <Korynne> I'm doing math can you just chill the fuck out. [21:00] <@Koshi> But this is not important [21:00] <Korynne> How is this not important [21:00] <Korynne> You don't even know where I'm going with this [21:00] <Korynne> and you say this is not imporatnt [21:00] <Korynne> You're doing it again. [21:01] <Korynne> You and friggin gumshoe. [21:01] <Korynne> Get all up on my grill for no reason. [21:01] <@Koshi> I am pretty sure this is going into we should lynch into marv/MZ to catch the SK [21:01] <Korynne> You wanna call me scum call me scum, don't get all dont listen dont care. [21:01] <@Koshi> Arfffffff Let's do math.... [21:02] <Korynne> B) SnB is dead anyways, better to have him die than Marv/MZ for mafia? [21:02] <Korynne> Math is the same as A), 3/9 tomorrow we good [21:03] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, we lynch him, 2 people die at night bceasue 1 KP mafia 1 KP sk, 3 mafia 1 SK 4 town tomorrow (no fucking clue what that means you're posting someone in thread answers hopefully) [21:03] <Korynne> If we get SK [21:03] <Korynne> that's 3/10, 1 KP at night, 3/9 tomorrow. [21:03] <Korynne> Herm. [21:03] <Korynne> So if SnB is scum. [21:03] <Korynne> wait hold on [21:03] <Korynne> if we lynch the wrong guy [21:04] <Korynne> that's 4/10, 2 KP at night, 4/8 tomorrow GG. [21:04] <Korynne> wait but [21:04] <Korynne> if SK kills mafia at night [21:04] <@Koshi> :D [21:04] <Korynne> it's 3/8, still probably GG [21:04] <Korynne> So wait [21:05] <Korynne> hmm [21:06] <Korynne> I think we're ok if there's an SK [21:06] <Korynne> So on the like 1% chance SnB isn't mafia [21:06] <Korynne> that's 4/10, SK can still hit mafia at night if he wants to win. [21:06] <Korynne> Ya ok. [21:06] <Korynne> So basically [21:07] <Korynne> we need to know what happens, win condition wise, if there's an SK [21:07] <@Koshi> SnB needs to go man. If he is town I am sorry, but I don't believe it for a moment. [21:07] <Korynne> No but see ehre's the thing [21:07] <Korynne> even if SnB isn't scum, we can still win if we mislynch him and there's an SK [21:07] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night. [21:07] <@Koshi> I don't believe in SK [21:07] <Korynne> That's not the point. [21:08] <Korynne> The point is we're still ok if SnB is not scum. [21:08] <Korynne> So TL;DR - we can lynch SnB today and we're okay EVEN IF there is an SK. [21:08] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night, if he doesn't then mafia wins over SK I think. [21:08] <@Koshi> Ugh, I don't know what to think of this last 15 minutes. Why are we talking about a SK? [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get SnB [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get marv/MZ/VA after that [21:09] <Korynne> Bro just read my TL;DR. [21:09] <Korynne> [21:09] <@Koshi> I did [21:09] <Korynne> Ya so we good for SnB today. [21:09] <Korynne> I thought we fucked if we don't catch SK if there is one. [21:10] <@Koshi> Please think hard about my theory. [21:10] <Korynne> Cuz in B), we don't care about killing snb or the scum in marv/mz. [21:10] <Korynne> But if we dont care about SK, then yeah SnB better lynch. [21:10] <Korynne> Ok, going for it. [21:10] <Korynne> Can you repeat your theory [21:10] <@Koshi> VA/Wiggles/SnB and 1 more (I think you :D) [21:10] <@Koshi> Read it [21:10] <@Koshi> jeez [21:10] <Korynne> Jeez I didn't want to scroll. [21:10] <@Koshi> arfff [21:10] <Korynne> Like, did youw rite it out above? [21:10] <Korynne> In thread? [21:10] <Korynne> Or like, you just mean names [21:11] <Korynne> I go read thread [21:11] <@Koshi> Thx. [21:11] <@Koshi> I will clean my theory up. [21:11] <@Koshi> Make it propper [21:11] <Korynne> Oh what do you mean by [21:11] <Korynne> "I was actually lying about Rayn before" [21:11] <@Koshi> You sent me a pm [21:11] <@Koshi> about SnB [21:12] <@Koshi> Then I got this insane theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Well [21:12] <@Koshi> Perfect theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Suddenly I got a clear mind [21:12] <Korynne> oh you said in threa that rayn did? [21:12] <@Koshi> No. I wanted to get you in IRC chat [21:12] <Korynne> Anyawys doesn't matter. [21:12] <@Koshi> So I first said Rayn, because you suspect rayn [21:12] <@Koshi> But I wanted you :D [21:12] <Korynne> I've got work to do. [21:12] <@Koshi> ok cool [21:12] <@Koshi> laters [21:12] <Korynne> So you write up your theory [21:13] <Korynne> I'm gunna write up the SK win conditions thing cuz neither of us knows. [21:13] <Korynne> But basically I think we're safe to lynch SnB [21:13] <Korynne> even if Marv/MZ is an SK [21:13] <@Koshi> Sexy. [21:13] <Korynne> and if that's the case, then SnB makes a better lynch. [21:13] <@Koshi> k I want you guys to look at this and agree with me it makes perfect sense? I know you guys believe it is unlikely that scum is all pushing this agenda. I already hear you saying that. But it fits so perfectly.It's simple, effective and possible. I really really believe these guys are scum and are pushing this agenda. Please look at it. | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote: and you wonder why I call you names..I have been polite and answered all your dumb questions. You just ignore my question with this post. Don't call me an annoyance when all you've been doing is living through vivax's dead body. You refuse to answer anything of relevance. At least with my crazy theories, I am open to discussing anything. SO I ask again, why do you trust oats so much when he was on VE day 1 and I was on sloosh day 1? I don't trust him so much. I was on marv/oats right before this theory popped in my head. I will be back on marv/Oats when I get debunked on this one. But I am confident this might be it atm. I love conspiracies. This one is so perfect. I need to see all the flips before I get really sad and change my play :D. | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:25 kushm4sta wrote: There is a check on mz. Barring the possibility of a framer he is scum. I really don't get why all these people are calling him town. 1) There is a chance that either MZ or Marv is a miller (so miller/town) 2) There is a chance that one is the SK (SK/town) 3) There is chance that it is both. (SK/miller) 4) Scum framer These 4 can be possible and neither MArv nor MZ is scum. | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:46 VayneAuthority wrote: So your willing to believe 4 unbelievably ridiculous scenarios that are based on purely the setup but fail to see the motivation behind the scum team trying to mislynch SnB for the win? Tell me why you aren't scum again? First of all. I believe SnB is scum. Like 100%. I believe that. Behind that I have 2 scenarios. This is not based on how you guys like to play mafia. But what ever. The second theory you just read. First one is something with marv/oats. Look VA, I really like this theory. A lot of you probably wont. But I like it. I am sticking to it. (17/20) | ||
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On July 27 2013 05:46 VayneAuthority wrote: So your willing to believe 4 unbelievably ridiculous scenarios that are based on purely the setup but fail to see the motivation behind the scum team trying to mislynch SnB for the win? Tell me why you aren't scum again? I shall reply to this as well. This unlikely scenario + town plurality cop is why scum is pushing the MZ/marv lynch. This shit happened and because of this scum decided to play it out like I described. If there wasn't one of those 4 scenarios this game would have been different. But it is one of those and therefore scum plays it out like this. Meh, I love my theory. Even if it is wrong. It's brilliant. | ||
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On July 27 2013 13:22 VayneAuthority wrote: yes I'd say wiggles comes off looking bad after this and meapak looks pretty good now. He put his vote on super late when he realized there was a chance to lynch marv but Meapak made sure it didn't happen. The hardest part is going to be dealing with who bussed SnB, we'll have to look through filters and see who voted SnB without any solid reasoning but for now going to sleep. We need to look at the people who not voted SnB without solid reasoning. This VA guy, doing everything in reverse. What is it with VA and MZ suddenly being such good friends? - Making bad scumlists together - VA making sane comments about MZ - Attacking Oats together - Wanting to lynch marv together Do I need to update my list and put MZ in there? | ||
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SnB VA Korynne Wiggles to be all off the SnB wagon (Not that I gave 2 perfect reasons why) But he says that it would be perfectly logical for all the remaining scum the be on the SnB wagon. Awesome. | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:49 VayneAuthority wrote: Could you specifically quote where I said that? all you've done is misrepresent my posts this whole game. It's pretty fucking annoying. You are one person that will never receive an apology, because frankly you're a piece of shit. On July 27 2013 05:57 VayneAuthority wrote: just facepalm. You're playing the too stupid to be scum thing again but you already used it nuclear. GGWP unless some one wakes the fuck up and gets off SnB. Hopefully an SK does really exist at this point, it's our only chance. The scum put themselves out there so if you exist SK you know what to do. I'm way over my posts at this point so yea nothing more to say Oats Marv Koshi kush for dat cred at endgame | ||
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Scums: Wiggles VA (One of Wiggles/VA could be replaced by MZ, MZ is looking pretty bad himself) Kyronne (He could be replaced by rayn, but I am going for kyronne here, if Kyronne flips town, rayn is probably scum and MZ is scum as well because kyronne came up with the bussing of VE day 1 because both SloOsh and MZ are scum) It's somewhere in those lines. I am leaning away from marv/oats being scum. But who the knows right? | ||
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On July 28 2013 07:05 kushm4sta wrote: if i die kill the koshi Why D:. Never shoot the Koshi. You get lynched. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 04:30 Koshi wrote: Ok, I am going to go over my theory once more. Talking with Korynne helped make this theory even more believable and I think I am going to stick to it till I get lynched/night killed. The scumteam is approx: SnB VA Wiggles Kyronne Their goal today is to let us lynch into Marv/MZ. There are 2 possible reasons why: 1) We lynch wrong and they kill 2 tonight and they win the game. 2) They believe there is a SK between those 2 and want town to lynch him. (Read logs between me and Korynne) If you look at them all separately: SnB: scum vigi. We all read his defense, he was trying to lynch marv or the SK. (teamtactic) VA: Been an annoyance the entire game. Tried to save SnB which isn't scummy in theory, especially with all the other crap he has been posting, but this guy also has been trying to get MZ, marv lynched. Lately he is also pleased to lynch Oats/Koshi. Wiggles: afk. Made a post right before night that something BIG was going to happen. Made a post after the night that we need to lynch into Marv/MZ (teamtactic) Korynne: Traitor that had layabout killed. Made multiple post in this thread to lynch in to Marv/MZ (You see the pattern?...) tried to persuade me to look at rayn as the traitor, tried to persuade me to save SnB. The logs below are quite scummy on moments as well. Here are logs between me and Korynne. <DISCLAIMER: I am being a jack-ass somewhere in the middle> + Show Spoiler + [20:04] <Korynne> bro [20:04] <Korynne> why you so crazy [20:04] <Korynne> How is it not Marv/MZ? [20:04] <Korynne> That's insane man/ [20:04] <Korynne> Layabout flipped. [20:05] <@Koshi> Oh hi [20:05] <@Koshi> I just made an insane long post why you are scum [20:05] <@Koshi> D: [20:05] <Korynne> lol wtf broski [20:05] <Korynne> *reads* [20:06] <Korynne> broski [20:06] <Korynne> Do you not get what I'm saying with SnB? [20:06] <Korynne> I play mechanical more than behaviour. [20:06] <Korynne> Mechanically, there's like a 90% chance of MZ/Marv being mafia/SK. [20:06] <@Koshi> I am just trowing this shit out htere [20:06] <@Koshi> Who knows. [20:06] <Korynne> You still wanna talk or you good with accusing me instead? [20:07] <@Koshi> Nope [20:07] <@Koshi> I will talk [20:07] <@Koshi> And post these logs as well :D [20:07] <Korynne> whadaya wanna talk about :3 [20:07] <Korynne> oh em gee [20:07] <Korynne> better make sure i dont give off any scum tells [20:07] <@Koshi> My new theory [20:07] <@Koshi> Why is it so crazy? [20:07] <@Koshi> It actually makes perfect sense [20:07] <@Koshi> IF you 4 would be scum [20:07] <@Koshi> It's perfect scumplay [20:08] <@Koshi> I am just THE KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> Should have shot the KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> THE KOSHI* [20:09] <Korynne> lol [20:09] <Korynne> who 4? [20:10] <@Koshi> SnB Vayne Wiggles Khyronne [20:10] <@Koshi> Got to read man D: [20:10] <Korynne> no cuz [20:10] <Korynne> before you said 4 [20:10] <Korynne> without me [20:10] <Korynne> so li3k [20:10] <Korynne> Also why you keep butchering my name [20:10] <Korynne> in the most obnoxious not even close fashion [20:12] <@Koshi> Yeah I am bad with names [20:12] <@Koshi> Sorry [20:12] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:12] <Korynne> [20:12] <Korynne> Anyways [20:12] <@Koshi> rayn looks actually really town to me. [20:12] <@Koshi> But you. [20:12] <Korynne> I don't get the conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> Its not a conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> It's fits perfectly [20:13] <@Koshi> it* [20:13] <@Koshi> You guys want to lynch wrong in the MZ/marv [20:13] <@Koshi> It's perfect because both are town. [20:13] <Korynne> How do you explain layabout? [20:13] <@Koshi> Framer [20:13] <Korynne> Bro [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> if mafia managed to frame that good [20:14] <Korynne> This is a normal game [20:14] <@Koshi> Nononono [20:14] <@Koshi> Luck is good [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> Why are people popping up like 30471038571386 roles everywhere? [20:14] <@Koshi> Dnu [20:14] <Korynne> Does miller know he's miller? [20:14] <@Koshi> nope [20:14] <@Koshi> Normally not [20:14] <@Koshi> he gets VT role [20:14] <@Koshi> But who cares [20:15] <@Koshi> Let's say he is miller/framer [20:15] <@Koshi> How is it conspiracy? [20:15] <@Koshi> You 4 are activily doing this [20:15] <@Koshi> VA is being an jackass towards MZ and Marv [20:15] <@Koshi> He is being blatantly wrong about so many things [20:15] <@Koshi> While he pushes this agenda [20:16] <Korynne> What are the chances there's a framer/miller? Pretty low. [20:16] <@Koshi> You still agree SnB needs to get shot? [20:16] <Korynne> Yeah but this is MYLO. [20:16] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE ABOUT THE MILLER/FRAMER [20:16] <@Koshi> LETS SAY IT IS THERE [20:16] <@Koshi> WHAT ABOUT MY THEORY THEN? [20:16] <Korynne> Everyone's jumping their asses on SnB. [20:16] <Korynne> So that's suspect. [20:17] <Korynne> Like, everyone seems to be like, oh hey, this marv/mz thing sounsd good... NEVERMIND I VOTE SNB [20:17] <@Koshi> Nope not everybody [20:17] <Korynne> There's 4/11 mafia [20:17] <@Koshi> You 4 aren't [20:17] <@Koshi> Oats thinks marv/MZ are town [20:17] <Korynne> Yeah great scum strat, all go on the same bus, die together. [20:17] <@Koshi> MZ is being butthurt towards marv the entire game [20:17] <@Koshi> Marv is being annoyed by my stupidity [20:17] <@Koshi> You don't go to the same bus [20:18] <@Koshi> You all go to the same tactic [20:18] <@Koshi> that luckily for you got enhanced by a town plurity cop [20:18] <@Koshi> So it's amazing [20:19] <@Koshi> It fits so well [20:19] <@Koshi> insanely well [20:19] <@Koshi> like perfect [20:19] <@Koshi> it fits [20:20] <Korynne> Iunno how to explain. [20:20] <@Koshi> Ok you don't have to. [20:20] <@Koshi> PM me. [20:20] <Korynne> Like, I play mechanically, cop check is more reliable to me than reads. [20:21] <Korynne> Like, I'm not into this whole like, let's assume there's 50 roles inthe game thing. [20:22] <Korynne> I don't really believe Oats (30%?) and if he is cop then great, MZ is confirmed. [20:22] <Korynne> But no, let's all wave around the idea of framers and millers [20:23] <Korynne> I'm not defending SnB, I'm okay with lynching him yesterday (if sloosh didnt get pardoned) or tomorrow after we kill MZ scum. [20:23] <Korynne> I don't understand why the whole town seems to be like [20:23] <Korynne> oh a check, naw there's no way that's legit. [20:23] <Korynne> I mean now let's pull like 10 roles out of our asses. [20:23] <Korynne> Yeah that's about right, good. Ok, now we can lynch SnB. [20:24] <Korynne> There's 4 mafia left. [20:24] <Korynne> 1. If SnB is mafia, he's vigi. [20:24] <Korynne> 2. Mafia pardoner, either Rayn or some guy who's a pardoner. [20:24] <Korynne> 3. Yama was a silencer [20:25] <Korynne> You think they have a framer as well? [20:25] <@Koshi> Nope. Probably miller then [20:25] <Korynne> Great, so much coincidence. [20:25] <@Koshi> But you know what I think is strange [20:25] <Korynne> If miller doesn't know who he is [20:25] <@Koshi> That you don't want to accept that this is actually a legit strat [20:25] <Korynne> There's like a, 2/20 or like a 2/10 chance it lands on marv/mz. [20:26] <Korynne> It's too circumstancial [20:26] <Korynne> *circumstantial [20:26] <@Koshi> It isn't [20:26] <@Koshi> It's perfect in this theory [20:26] <@Koshi> It happned [20:26] <Korynne> Everyone just pulls roles out of their asses when they need to explain something. [20:26] <@Koshi> happened [20:26] <@Koshi> Nope [20:26] <@Koshi> Miller was there from the start [20:26] <Korynne> Well obviously he'd have to be there from the start. [20:26] <@Koshi> Indeed [20:27] <Korynne> What kind of statement is that xD [20:27] <@Koshi> And when a town cop went to look between MZ and Marv. [20:27] <@Koshi> ONLY THEN [20:27] <@Koshi> Scum made the play to lynch between these 2 [20:27] <Korynne> Why not leave layabout alive then? [20:27] <@Koshi> What? [20:27] <@Koshi> Why would they? [20:27] <Korynne> If layabout is alive right now. [20:27] <Korynne> There would be a 3rd check. [20:27] <Korynne> And we would gladly lynch whoever is the odd man out right? [20:28] <Korynne> Unless it's like, Rayn, Marv and MZ or.. iunno, whoever you want to pretend is like, the towniest of towns. [20:28] <Korynne> Or like, SnB marv and MZ. [20:28] <Korynne> Point is, if you let layabout live [20:28] <Korynne> he gets a 3rd check in [20:28] <Korynne> and it's ez pz lynch that guy [20:28] <@Koshi> Ok m8. [20:28] <@Koshi> We are different from opinion atm [20:28] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent [20:28] <@Koshi> that's ok [20:28] <@Koshi> I have been wrong so much this game [20:28] <Korynne> You know what I'm saying though [20:28] <Korynne> re layabout? [20:28] <@Koshi> Maybe this time as well :D [20:29] <@Koshi> Yup. [20:29] <Korynne> Like I dont need you to agree, I just need you to understand what I asid. [20:29] <Korynne> Ya [20:29] <Korynne> So like, you can circlejerk this shit all over the place. [20:29] <@Koshi> But you guys killed him with the plan to push into MZ/Marv [20:29] <@Koshi> After that it would be ez win for you lads [20:29] <Korynne> No but don't you see. [20:29] <@Koshi> But let's other people take a mppl at it [20:29] <Korynne> Like look. [20:29] <@Koshi> mppl = look [20:29] <Korynne> We started night at 4/13 [20:30] <Korynne> If mafia kills 2 towns, that's 4/11, AND LEAVE LAYABOUT ALIVE, ok? [20:30] <Korynne> Now layabout comes back the next day [20:30] <Korynne> he's like, yo X is same alignment as Marv/MZ. [20:30] <@Koshi> I don't care about OTHER SCUM PLAYS [20:30] <Korynne> ...? [20:30] <@Koshi> I DON'T CARE [20:30] <Korynne> Uh, wat? [20:30] <@Koshi> You say my theory is bad [20:30] <Korynne> Bad is not the right word [20:31] <Korynne> Circumstantial is the word I'm going for [20:31] <@Koshi> And you counter with another scum theory [20:31] <Korynne> and also I'm explaining why that's unlikely [20:31] <@Koshi> Nope [20:31] <@Koshi> Scum went for this [20:31] <Korynne> ? [20:31] <@Koshi> Hmm [20:31] <@Koshi> Look [20:31] <@Koshi> I want [20:31] <@Koshi> to let marv take a look [20:31] <@Koshi> :D [20:31] <Korynne> Sure you can post the logs when we're done. [20:31] <@Koshi> Let's end this here [20:31] <Korynne> Why? [20:31] <Korynne> You're like completely ignoring me. [20:31] <@Koshi> Vote for me. I don't care. [20:31] <Korynne> You're like NOPE NOPE DONT CARE BYE [20:31] <@Koshi> Yup [20:31] <@Koshi> Exactly [20:31] <Korynne> Wtf man. [20:31] <@Koshi> Bye [20:32] <Korynne> Are you serious?! [20:32] <Korynne> I have to sit here and be like [20:32] <Korynne> Oh Koshi that's an amazing theory [20:32] <Korynne> wow you just solved everything [20:32] <@Koshi> Thx! [20:32] <Korynne> You're amazing props [20:32] <@Koshi> I AM THE KOSHI [20:32] <Korynne> And then when I'm like, ehh, that seems weird [20:32] <Korynne> you're like OMG NO SHUT UP IM PASTING LOGS BYE [20:32] <Korynne> wtf? [20:32] <@Koshi> Nope [20:32] <@Koshi> I was going to post logs anyway [20:32] <Korynne> Yeah I know. [20:32] <Korynne> You said that. [20:32] <Korynne> But I don't get why I can't explain things. [20:32] <Korynne> Here [20:32] <@Koshi> I can't discuss this with you m8. [20:33] <Korynne> Why?? [20:33] <@Koshi> I think you are scum [20:33] <@Koshi> I am tunneling you [20:33] <Korynne> You're posting logs anyways! [20:33] <@Koshi> I cant think straight [20:33] <Korynne> Who cares? [20:33] <@Koshi> Ok sure. [20:33] <Korynne> if I talk more you get more evidence [20:33] <@Koshi> Keep posting. [20:33] <@Koshi> I will add your defense as well [20:33] <Korynne> Like wtf is kbye. [20:33] <@Koshi> Thats why I post logs [20:33] <Korynne> Anyways. [20:33] <Korynne> Yeah you're pasting logs, I get it. [20:33] <@Koshi> I am posting them so you can defend yourself [20:34] <@Koshi> I am not certain on you [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on VA [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on anybody [20:34] <Korynne> Why can't I defend myself here [20:34] <Korynne> instead of wasting a post [20:34] <@Koshi> Please do [20:34] <Korynne> in a post limit thing [20:34] <Korynne> No but what I was saying, before you got all kthxbai on me. [20:34] <Korynne> Is that, let us assume, Marv and MZ are not mafia, and framer/miller/wahtever. [20:34] <Korynne> Ok, so if I was mafia, I would leave layabout alive. [20:35] <Korynne> Because he'll come back during the day and be like, yo, here's my check on X, and it's same/diff as marv/mz. [20:35] <Korynne> And then you can easily get town to lynch marv/mz for being the odd man out. [20:35] <Korynne> So if they're both innocent, that's so good for mafia. [20:35] <Korynne> They can just sit back and let layabout come up with his check. [20:36] <Korynne> So I don't see why, if marv/mz are both innocent, they'd kill layabout. [20:36] <Korynne> If marv/mz is not innocent, then killing layabout prevents town from knowing which one of the two is guilty. [20:36] <Korynne> because he doesn't get his 3rd check in [20:37] <Korynne> And you're not even here are you... you're just waiting for me to be done and copy pasta. -.- [20:38] <Korynne> Like I don't think you're mafia... I'm just trying to let you see where I'm coming from. [20:38] <Korynne> And I'd appreciate it if you gave it as much thought as I gave to your theory. [20:39] <@Koshi> I was eating. [20:39] <@Koshi> Sorry. [20:40] <@Koshi> I must admit I was a bit rude before [20:40] <@Koshi> Or a lot :D [20:40] <@Koshi> I agree with what you say. That is another way scum could have played this [20:40] <@Koshi> Maybe even better [20:40] <Korynne> So like *shrug* [20:41] <@Koshi> What about we swap you and rayn in the scum list? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they didn't think about that theory? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they wanted to kill both cops? [20:41] <Korynne> I mean, Rayn is Rayn. [20:41] <Korynne> Iunno why you think Oats is fine. [20:41] <@Koshi> I have 2 theories atm [20:41] <@Koshi> Marv oats is scum [20:42] <@Koshi> And then this one [20:42] <Korynne> Rayn is rayn as in, he claimed pardoner [20:42] <@Koshi> But this one fits so good [20:42] <@Koshi> Imagine it is rayn indeed [20:42] <@Koshi> And he is the scum pardoner :D [20:42] <Korynne> But to me, this one fits so good in a like, omg look there's the face of jesus in my toast. [20:42] <@Koshi> Ah no [20:42] <@Koshi> I don't agree there [20:42] <@Koshi> You 4 are pushing into this marv/MZ thing [20:43] <@Koshi> VA is playing fishy [20:43] <@Koshi> You are trying to keep me away from SnB [20:43] <Korynne> VA seems to be defending SnB [20:43] <Korynne> I'm not keeping you away from SnB [20:43] <@Koshi> Wiggles comes to add into this MZ/Marv thing [20:43] <Korynne> me and Wiggles see the same thing I think [20:43] <Korynne> Which is like, we have a dead cop claim that these two guys are diff alignments [20:43] <Korynne> iunno why vayne is defending SnB that's just...yeah iunno. [20:44] <@Koshi> He is not only defending SnB. He is being strange all over the plae [20:44] <Korynne> Like if layabout wasn't dead today, ignoring what his check would give you, I would go for SnB. [20:44] <Korynne> Or like, if he checked SnB [20:44] <Korynne> I'm good with lynching SnB [20:44] <@Koshi> Are you now giving reasons why scum killed latabout :D ? [20:44] <Korynne> and then the guy that's scum according to layabout's check if we trust layabout [20:45] <Korynne> Basically [20:45] <Korynne> killing layabout [20:45] <Korynne> "confirms" his check [20:45] <Korynne> but [20:45] <Korynne> it doesn't confirm his alignment [20:45] <Korynne> I think ideal time to kill layabout is tonight instead of last night if mafia. [20:45] <@Koshi> That's the beauty of it. It confirms the lucky shit that 1 of MZ/marv is the miller [20:45] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent. [20:45] <Korynne> I think it makes the most sense [20:46] <Korynne> To kill layabout tonight [20:46] <Korynne> Because you get the 3 checks [20:46] <Korynne> and his confirmed alignment [20:46] <Korynne> and so you ahve to lynch the odd man out or w/e [20:46] <Korynne> you know? [20:46] <@Koshi> Maybe scum got cocky and wanted to save SnB? [20:46] <Korynne> For what? [20:46] <Korynne> He's gunna get lynched at some point [20:47] <Korynne> We're eventually gunna run out of shit to do [20:47] <@Koshi> Not when we go into the marv/MZ shit [20:47] <Korynne> Yeah but what I'm saying is [20:47] <@Koshi> And people are convinced 1 is scum [20:47] <Korynne> it's not about saving SnB [20:47] <Korynne> SnB is like, a number basically, if he's scum [20:47] <Korynne> Scum knows they can't save him, busing him is best strat probs [20:47] <Korynne> So it's not so much about saving snb [20:47] <Korynne> as like, delaying it and having him be a number [20:47] <Korynne> if that makes sense [20:48] <@Koshi> They got cocky with this. I agree with you. They got cocky and are now getting punished [20:48] <Korynne> Or like, if SnB is not scum (unlikely) then they're pushing it really hard today [20:48] <@Koshi> They should have bussed SnB [20:48] <Korynne> They still could be [20:48] <Korynne> Rayn voted for SnB [20:48] <Korynne> strongandbig (4): Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta [20:48] <@Koshi> I think Rayn is away for his Birthday [20:48] <@Koshi> And went for the easy bus [20:48] <Korynne> +marv [20:49] <Korynne> so that's 5 people on SnB already [20:49] <@Koshi> Sorry Kyronne. I really think this is it [20:49] <@Koshi> I am so confident [20:49] <@Koshi> I never felt like this in mafia [20:49] <@Koshi> never [20:49] <Korynne> lol [20:49] <Korynne> I mean if you feel it you feel it, I'm just giving my opinions. [20:49] <Korynne> We're all entitled to our own opinions and votes. [20:49] <@Koshi> Ok and I appreciate it. [20:49] <@Koshi> Yup [20:49] <Korynne> I'm just presenting my side, you're presenting yours. [20:49] <@Koshi> Let's hope that SnB flips scum [20:49] <Korynne> And if we talk this out here we save posts. [20:49] <@Koshi> And we can then decide on Marv/oats or this new crazy strat from me :D [20:50] <Korynne> Oh also. [20:50] <Korynne> What's your take on the Marv/Sloosh shenanigans? [20:50] <@Koshi> Or maybe it is SnB/Kyrone/Adam/wiggles that is scum [20:50] <@Koshi> Shit [20:50] <@Koshi> Butchered your name again [20:50] <Korynne> lol [20:50] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:50] <Korynne> even worse this time gg [20:50] <Korynne> Seems awkward though [20:50] <Korynne> 2 afks and me? (ignoring snb) [20:51] <@Koshi> I know [20:51] <Korynne> I wouldn't expect 2 afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything is possible [20:51] <Korynne> out of 4 mafia [20:51] <@Koshi> Koshi/Kyronne/Marv/VA [20:51] <Korynne> like snb is toast so w/e [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything can [20:51] <Korynne> lol no afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Put this theory [20:51] <@Koshi> But* [20:51] <@Koshi> It fits [20:51] <@Koshi> I love it [20:51] <@Koshi> If it is wrong [20:51] <Korynne> the one with you as scum? [20:51] <@Koshi> I will be sad [20:51] <@Koshi> hehe [20:51] <@Koshi> No [20:51] <Korynne> [20:52] <@Koshi> I will be like L [20:52] <@Koshi> (if you watched Death Note [20:52] <Korynne> Also you didn't answer me [20:52] <@Koshi> ) [20:52] <@Koshi> Sloosh/Marv? [20:52] <Korynne> Ya I don't remember what happens in death note anymore [20:52] <Korynne> The fact that Sloosh messaged marv [20:52] <Korynne> and was like yo SK [20:52] <@Koshi> Yeah [20:52] <@Koshi> supergay [20:52] <@Koshi> I don't know [20:52] <Korynne> Cuz like, if there is an SK [20:53] <Korynne> It's /very/ likely to be between Marv and MZ. [20:53] <@Koshi> And THAT IS WHY THESE 4 SCUM ARE DOING ALL THIS [20:53] <@Koshi> YOU FUCKING SOLVED IT [20:53] <@Koshi> THATS WHY [20:53] <@Koshi> THEY WANT THE SK [20:53] <Korynne> Wait but. [20:53] <@Koshi> Maybe there is [20:53] <@Koshi> FUCK YEAH [20:53] <Korynne> No, but problem is. [20:53] <Korynne> If there is an SK. [20:54] <Korynne> Then it's very likely that mafia has 1KP, and SK has 1 KP. [20:54] <Korynne> So doesn't that mean Marv/MZ is SK and we need to kill them first? [20:54] <Korynne> Cuz if mafia has 1 KP, then killing SnB doesn't do anything.' [20:54] <Korynne> Wait hold on [20:54] <Korynne> ok [20:54] <Korynne> let's assume [20:54] <Korynne> SnB is mafia [20:54] <Korynne> and Marv/MZ is SK [20:54] <Korynne> if we kill SnB [20:54] <Korynne> then 3/10 left [20:54] <@Koshi> We don't fucking know there is a SK [20:54] <Korynne> 2 KP at night [20:54] <Korynne> 3/8 tomorrow [20:54] <@Koshi> Kyronne. You are being scummy right now [20:55] <Korynne> ya hold on, this is an assume if there is an sk [20:55] <Korynne> bro you wanna chill while i math [20:55] <@Koshi> Math away! [20:55] <Korynne> so that's 3/8 tomorrow. [20:55] <Korynne> That's not bad [20:55] <Korynne> wait no [20:55] <Korynne> shit [20:55] <Korynne> uh [20:55] <Korynne> if it's 3/8 but there's an sk [20:55] <Korynne> uhhh [20:55] <Korynne> i dont know what that means actually [20:55] <Korynne> if there's 1 sk, 3 mafia and 4 town [20:55] <@Koshi> You should see me do maths at the end of Nuclear to lynch the SK :D. It was perfect math why town should kill the SK :D [20:56] <Korynne> What happens Koshi do you know? [20:56] <Korynne> If we end up with 1 sk 3 mafia and 4 town tomorrow [20:56] <Korynne> Is that a loss for town? [20:56] <@Koshi> It continues [20:56] <@Koshi> It always continues when SK is alive [20:56] <@Koshi> Unless 3 scum and 1 SK or something like that :D [20:57] <@Koshi> I had that problem in nuclear [20:57] <@Koshi> Stupid CaucasianAsian [20:57] <Korynne> cuz hrtr [20:57] <Korynne> *cuz here [20:57] <Korynne> http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Mislynch_and_Lose [20:57] <Korynne> it says if 1 mafia, 1 killer and 2 town then town loses [20:58] <Korynne> so wait [20:58] <@Koshi> I don't know tbh. Like what happens with 2 town and SK in the day. [20:58] <Korynne> if scum and sk left, then scum wins? [20:58] <@Koshi> I am pretty new [20:58] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE [20:58] <@Koshi> Really [20:58] <Korynne> o-o;; [20:58] <@Koshi> Do not care [20:58] <Korynne> So ok. [20:58] <Korynne> Here's the possible situations. [20:58] <Korynne> A) SnB scum, Marv/MZ both innocent [20:58] <Korynne> Whatever let's assume SnB is scum [20:59] <Korynne> B) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is scum [20:59] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is SK [20:59] <Korynne> so in A) [20:59] <@Koshi> Really m8. Are you trying to go into Marv/MZ after all? [20:59] <@Koshi> Jeez [21:00] <@Koshi> You are scum [21:00] <@Koshi> fuck this [21:00] <@Koshi> ... [21:00] <Korynne> 4/11, we kill SnB, 3/10, 1 person dies at night (mafia KP is prob #/3 if there's no SK), 3/9 tomorrow, we good. [21:00] <Korynne> Bro wtf, you jsut have to sit there why you fuck this fuck that. [21:00] <Korynne> I'm doing math can you just chill the fuck out. [21:00] <@Koshi> But this is not important [21:00] <Korynne> How is this not important [21:00] <Korynne> You don't even know where I'm going with this [21:00] <Korynne> and you say this is not imporatnt [21:00] <Korynne> You're doing it again. [21:01] <Korynne> You and friggin gumshoe. [21:01] <Korynne> Get all up on my grill for no reason. [21:01] <@Koshi> I am pretty sure this is going into we should lynch into marv/MZ to catch the SK [21:01] <Korynne> You wanna call me scum call me scum, don't get all dont listen dont care. [21:01] <@Koshi> Arfffffff Let's do math.... [21:02] <Korynne> B) SnB is dead anyways, better to have him die than Marv/MZ for mafia? [21:02] <Korynne> Math is the same as A), 3/9 tomorrow we good [21:03] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, we lynch him, 2 people die at night bceasue 1 KP mafia 1 KP sk, 3 mafia 1 SK 4 town tomorrow (no fucking clue what that means you're posting someone in thread answers hopefully) [21:03] <Korynne> If we get SK [21:03] <Korynne> that's 3/10, 1 KP at night, 3/9 tomorrow. [21:03] <Korynne> Herm. [21:03] <Korynne> So if SnB is scum. [21:03] <Korynne> wait hold on [21:03] <Korynne> if we lynch the wrong guy [21:04] <Korynne> that's 4/10, 2 KP at night, 4/8 tomorrow GG. [21:04] <Korynne> wait but [21:04] <Korynne> if SK kills mafia at night [21:04] <@Koshi> :D [21:04] <Korynne> it's 3/8, still probably GG [21:04] <Korynne> So wait [21:05] <Korynne> hmm [21:06] <Korynne> I think we're ok if there's an SK [21:06] <Korynne> So on the like 1% chance SnB isn't mafia [21:06] <Korynne> that's 4/10, SK can still hit mafia at night if he wants to win. [21:06] <Korynne> Ya ok. [21:06] <Korynne> So basically [21:07] <Korynne> we need to know what happens, win condition wise, if there's an SK [21:07] <@Koshi> SnB needs to go man. If he is town I am sorry, but I don't believe it for a moment. [21:07] <Korynne> No but see ehre's the thing [21:07] <Korynne> even if SnB isn't scum, we can still win if we mislynch him and there's an SK [21:07] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night. [21:07] <@Koshi> I don't believe in SK [21:07] <Korynne> That's not the point. [21:08] <Korynne> The point is we're still ok if SnB is not scum. [21:08] <Korynne> So TL;DR - we can lynch SnB today and we're okay EVEN IF there is an SK. [21:08] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night, if he doesn't then mafia wins over SK I think. [21:08] <@Koshi> Ugh, I don't know what to think of this last 15 minutes. Why are we talking about a SK? [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get SnB [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get marv/MZ/VA after that [21:09] <Korynne> Bro just read my TL;DR. [21:09] <Korynne> [21:09] <@Koshi> I did [21:09] <Korynne> Ya so we good for SnB today. [21:09] <Korynne> I thought we fucked if we don't catch SK if there is one. [21:10] <@Koshi> Please think hard about my theory. [21:10] <Korynne> Cuz in B), we don't care about killing snb or the scum in marv/mz. [21:10] <Korynne> But if we dont care about SK, then yeah SnB better lynch. [21:10] <Korynne> Ok, going for it. [21:10] <Korynne> Can you repeat your theory [21:10] <@Koshi> VA/Wiggles/SnB and 1 more (I think you :D) [21:10] <@Koshi> Read it [21:10] <@Koshi> jeez [21:10] <Korynne> Jeez I didn't want to scroll. [21:10] <@Koshi> arfff [21:10] <Korynne> Like, did youw rite it out above? [21:10] <Korynne> In thread? [21:10] <Korynne> Or like, you just mean names [21:11] <Korynne> I go read thread [21:11] <@Koshi> Thx. [21:11] <@Koshi> I will clean my theory up. [21:11] <@Koshi> Make it propper [21:11] <Korynne> Oh what do you mean by [21:11] <Korynne> "I was actually lying about Rayn before" [21:11] <@Koshi> You sent me a pm [21:11] <@Koshi> about SnB [21:12] <@Koshi> Then I got this insane theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Well [21:12] <@Koshi> Perfect theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Suddenly I got a clear mind [21:12] <Korynne> oh you said in threa that rayn did? [21:12] <@Koshi> No. I wanted to get you in IRC chat [21:12] <Korynne> Anyawys doesn't matter. [21:12] <@Koshi> So I first said Rayn, because you suspect rayn [21:12] <@Koshi> But I wanted you :D [21:12] <Korynne> I've got work to do. [21:12] <@Koshi> ok cool [21:12] <@Koshi> laters [21:12] <Korynne> So you write up your theory [21:13] <Korynne> I'm gunna write up the SK win conditions thing cuz neither of us knows. [21:13] <Korynne> But basically I think we're safe to lynch SnB [21:13] <Korynne> even if Marv/MZ is an SK [21:13] <@Koshi> Sexy. [21:13] <Korynne> and if that's the case, then SnB makes a better lynch. [21:13] <@Koshi> k I want you guys to look at this and agree with me it makes perfect sense? I know you guys believe it is unlikely that scum is all pushing this agenda. I already hear you saying that. But it fits so perfectly.It's simple, effective and possible. I really really believe these guys are scum and are pushing this agenda. Please look at it. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 05:27 Koshi wrote: In case I die. Scums: Wiggles VA (One of Wiggles/VA could be replaced by MZ, MZ is looking pretty bad himself) Kyronne (He could be replaced by rayn, but I am going for kyronne here, if Kyronne flips town, rayn is probably scum and MZ is scum as well because kyronne came up with the bussing of VE day 1 because both SloOsh and MZ are scum) It's somewhere in those lines. I am leaning away from marv/oats being scum. But who the knows right? Kushm4sta isn't scum though? I can't believe you call his filter bad, it's filled with 1 liners but at least he has been on the right track all the time. He agreed on the SnB lynch, he agreed that kyronne looked scummy. He was genuinely surprised when I first said those 4 names, he accepted the idea when I made the case (see spoiler 1) Kushm4sta is not scum. Not in my book. Never. It's very cute that you found a post in his filter that makes it look that kush believed early on that marv was 3rd p, but if you look in all the posts a person made, you are always going to find 1 little thing. Especially in filters from town players. It's so unbelievable that you come here and think kush is your biggest chance on scum. I apologize to marv for tunneling so hard on him in early. If I would post better than I did I might have found an ally in him to find them scummies, however the chances are now high that he is the SK. I will now stick to myself, as it is obvious that nobody in this game is wanting to solve this. Your first posts were a delight to read Mocsta. But your case vs kush made it obvious I can't trust anybody. I won't trust anybody. My suspects for the SK, from high to low. Marv, MZ, VA, Rayn, kush, mocsta, wiggles + Show Spoiler + Constable Koshi was living in the darkness for so long. he was lost without his detective, due to the detective is final words and his own blind rage constable Koshi was looking at the wrong persons, but yesterday constable Koshi saw the light, he found them scummies, constable Koshi will stick to that theory till he dies. | ||
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I might have reacted too harshly in my previous post towards you. I guess that it is possible that kush is scum, however, he is not on my radar then. My top candidates are still the same. It's also funny when I first brought up the MZ being miller(one out of 4 possibilities mz/marv were both not scum) story VA called me stupid, MZ said it was farfetched, while I had a perfect based scumplay around that. 2 scumflips later VA is saying MZ is being the miller without any reasoning behind that, while MZ also simple accepted the fact he might be the miller. Scared scum when I first brought it up? I would say yes. | ||
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You do realise that you are the 4th guy that was off the SnB wagon? Can we get some SK hunting in here or are we going to ignore that problem? If we would get the SK this lynch that would be perfect for town. So why are we ignoring it? My list is still the same. With marv being on top, this was his defense on my previous accusation: On July 28 2013 23:28 marvellosity wrote: I'm clearly not the SK. I have a greencheck on me. What's wrong with you people? 1) there's no reason to believe SK gets to "choose" between alignment/one-shotbulletproof even given 1), 2) I WOULD NEVER CHOOSE TO APPEAR GREEN OVER BULLETPROOF. I've been shot more times playing mafia than almost all of you have played games of mafia. There's approximately a 0% chance I'm SK at this stage, just on basic logic and deduction. Anyone pushing that line of thinking is highly suspicious or very stupid. I love Mocsta for pointing out that hapa was able to choose green or bulletproof. That makes marv his second point perfect. Because he doesn't lie and he hides the fact he is the SK because of that. Also, why would the SK be able to choose between bulletproof and greencheck? Where did that come from? Maybe it was just being green in the setup? It looks like scum has only 1 KP this game or SK was able to always overlap with scum. So bulletproof looks pretty unlikely. Can we please discuss the SK issue? I am pretty sure that we found them scummies. | ||
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1) there's no reason to believe SK gets to "choose" between alignment/one-shotbulletproof Why do you say that marv? Could you be the SK with a greencheck? Why not? | ||
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The fact that you are calling me scum is beyond hilarious. But it is in line with your game, you are calling everybody 50/50 cases to keep us all in the dark on what you really think. MZ is leaning town for you, VA is leaning town for you, I am leaning scum now? HOW THE FUCK am I leaning scum? I pushed the snb lynch and I was right about kyronne. You do realise I could just as easily joined this LETS LYNCH INTO MARV/MZ atmosphere and had you fucking lynched? Kush was also doubting and was also tempted to vote you, it was I who fucking partly saved you and condemned SnB who I have been pushing since forever. People that are in my book town: -Kush -Rayn -Mocsta -Koshi People that are SK: -Marv -MZ People that are scum: -VA -Wiggles Obviously there is wiggle room. But let me remind you people again. I was right about SnB, I was right about Kyronne, I saw way before you people the possibilty of MZ being the miller, I was eventually right about oats. I am on a hotstreak. Keep calling my calls bad please. And keep seeing them turn correct time after time after time. Hilarious. | ||
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UNLIKELY WORKS FOR ME. IT WAS UNLIKELY THAT MZ WAS THE MILLER 24 HOURS AGO. HOW IS EVERYBODY FEELING ABOUT THAT NOW? NOW GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. #vote marv | ||
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1) Scum thinks you are the SK 2) Scum tries to lynch into the marv/MZ to kill the SK (see kyronne logs with me) 3) You are keeping everybody in the dark, pretending to have 0 reads while you are the most (?) experienced player here. 4) Your defense towards all this evidence you give for not being the sk is "it's unlikely guis, you are fucking retarded for not seeing that is it unlikely" Now give me 4 reasons on your SK read? Oh wait. You don't have one. You don't search for one. Is it time to ignore each other from now on marv? | ||
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How many times do I have to say this? I am done with you. You are clearly done with me. | ||
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He said: before night: "I am playing with my thumbs because this will be an important night." after night "OMG guys LETS LYNCH INTO MZ/MARV" Like every excuse you give is proof you don't read this thread. While you already admitted that you compulsively read this thread. And you call me bad? | ||
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On July 29 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote: So having missed lynching into the 'SK' yesterday, they decided not to shoot at the SK, who according to you doesn't have bulletproof immunity (still lol). Guess they're happy for the SK to keep on shooting mafia right? And again, green check. I'll keep reiterating that you're using totally unfounded setup speculation against all rational evidence, because it's fun to do so and it's correct to do so. I don't know why they decided it was better to kill a cop. Maybe they forgot that SK could shoot scum. Or they were so focussed on what happened what would happen in a 4/3/1 situation (remember kyronne) I don't fucking know. But keep piling up the bad arguments. | ||
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We had a good argument and I will see what the rest of the thread thinks of it. At least we gave them something to think about. | ||
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Scum had a different check on MZ and Marv. They got that information through Kyronne who got it off layabout. The green check came from FT and scum didn't know that when SlOsh contacted Marv. I am off for the rest of the day. We are lynching wiggles it seems. If somebody is interested in doing #big plays I will be here for +- 1 hour. | ||
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vayne is scum but I don't know with who. Mocsta getting replaced in here is so annoying. And that case on kum annoys me as well. MZ is miller or sk??? It's getting ridiculous. It's insane that only those 2 options remain. If he is scum than he is so lame. All this martyring.... Rayn, kum are town based on the votes. All others are also either scum or the SK. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm honestly not scum though Koshi, this is just as frustrating for me. I don't understand why he just lurked all game and decides to start posting after he's dead. Makes zero sense from a town perspective. Ok. I will believe you one fucking time. If this was a lie we are not going to be friends in the future. As in. If we play together and I roll vigi I shoot you with my first post ALWAYS. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote: who's martyring? I'm just trying to win the game here. You just have to realize that just as my theory was wrong, yours also has holes now that we figured out wiggles is town. So please just think about the game for a second if you are town and stop tunneling crazily on me. I know don't remind me. So if you aren't scum. Kush and Mocsta are very probably not both the scum left, but who the fuck knows. I do not believe rayn is scum for a second. MZ has been martyring 24/7. Marv greenchecked. I am not scum. Or that scum bussing genious but their were easier ways to win. Also who would my last partner be? Moca or Rayn I would say. Unless VA & Koshi are being cute, or Marv &Koshi were being cute, or Kush & Koshi didn't want to kill marv 2 lynches ago. It's a mess. | ||
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I cannot see how you think I am scum. I could be SK but everybody could be SK. I am not! I played as a serious town the entire game and I am seriously town. | ||
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I am pretty sure that Vivax didn't tell me his mason partner yet. A lot of the talks we had were about how his mason partner agreed with him and that they knew what they were talking about. (This post is even from before Vivax suspected marv at all I think) This was my way of saying: Vivax I know who your partner is and I am letting the thread know as well. But somewhat secretly. You 2... | ||
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Also, MZ says that it is VA or me that is the last scum. So that means VA. I could see that... But where is all this proof MZ is talking about? Ask me question, ask my opinion, but I do not know who is last scum/sk. But there is a difference between Marv and MZ and Marv is green so MZ is the most logical lynch. So unless he actually brings the proof, how can we not lynch him? Also his proof that VA/Koshi is scum is based upon the fact VA/Koshi were out for each others blood before? Jeezus. | ||
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This is pure out of memory 1) Day 2 he is after MZ 2) Day 3 he is after Marv 3) Day 4 he is after Oats/Koshi/Marv After that he looked pretty town though, but then wiggles flipped town... | ||
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Recent games have shown VA is pretty good, while everybody said MZ and marv should be vets playing this game. But for some reason, you 3 are now saying adam/mocsta is the last scum? That's just strange. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:43 VayneAuthority wrote: Sorry but I've been over this, that makes little sense. If MZ is scum, it makes it high unlikely that marv is SK because he would have to be a godfather SK role which is absurd to think about. Like I said, if he honestly has that role and got the parity check and everything then he deserves to win due to sheer luck. It's only if MZ flips SK that there is a decent chance of marv being mafia godfather but I don't think this is going to happen given kush. If kush actually set us up for this then I'll have to give him more credit in future games. We will see I guess. | ||
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You shouldn't fucking whine at all. MZ was at least right once in this game. Your track record = 1) Masoned with all scums but you thought all of them were town. 2) Going after FT, Kholly, Wiggles and now MZ as prime scum targets and they were all were town. How the fuck are you so bad??? | ||
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On August 02 2013 19:07 marvellosity wrote: No, I'm referring to when you were thinking Vivax and I were doing bad cop/good cop. It was Vayne and you. Vivax is an angel from Heaven. | ||
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1)for my tactic and his reaction to that 2) him trying to save SnB. | ||
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Mocsta replacing in and trying to solve the game frightened me. I think there should come a new rule that people can't be replaced anymore after 2 cycles or something like that. For anti-town parties it is frustrating when an inactive guy that you can keep alive suddenly becomes an insane active dude. You kept the guy alive because he was inactive, it is unfair that it is anti-town responsibility to kill the inactive towns. Imagine you being on a scumteam and you are fooling town completely and suddenly after a night an inactive gets replaced with Ver and with 1 post he points out your entire team... That's kinda stupid. I am happy that I was suddenly able to point out 3/4 scums. Even though nobody believed me -_-*. Kush and Korynne not being on the marv wagon in the SnB lynch made me think Marv was scum and VA town. If VA wouldn't have claimed and had shot Mocsta we would have had that draw. VA claiming made me go straight into panic mode for the last 24 hours. I didn't want to have a draw with the entire scum team though, VA alone maybe :D. | ||
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On August 05 2013 12:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: In the end the town still didn't win. So it's wrong to say I handed them the game. It was basically giving the mafia the game versus making it a bit more difficult for the mafia to win. I wouldn't say a modkill is losing it for your team, losing a game is making bad plays and just sheeping along blatantly bad lynches. Getting modkilled is ruining the game for everyone, mafia gets unearned victory and it kind of shits on the integrity of the game. And I said it before, as a host you are inevitably going to fuck up eventually, it's how you handle the fuckup that matters. You are faced with tough calls and have to make decisions that aren't going to make everyone happy. I'm sorry if you/kush find that unacceptable. However lets point out, it still wasn't enough to get the town a win. In the end the SK won Also it was possible for the SK to die at night, it was just exceptionally difficult. He wasn't bullet proof he just had two night lives. No one ever actually attacked him. Alternatively, you could just lynch him if you are paying enough attention to catch him. However he did play pretty well, I think it took Ver until day 3 to figure him out. It was actually day 5 because I needed to start killing scum. Not bragging or anything. :D | ||
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