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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
I don't know if Wiggles is town or scum, I've got way better evidence against marv and MZ right now. I'm not going to waste my time trying to decide on whether Wiggles is scum. Did you not read what me and layabout talked about re:first day lynch and why people didn't just switch from VE to MZ? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On July 26 2013 16:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are we honestly not voting for either me or marv? Marv is confirmed scum for me and either of us should be confirmed scum for everyone else. Yeah, apparently town is dumb enough to be like, look at me, all high and mighty, my read is so good we're going to value that above the detective claims. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On July 26 2013 16:16 Korynne wrote: Yeah, apparently town is dumb enough to be like, look at me, all high and mighty, my read is so good we're going to value that above the detective claims. Yes we are going to do that cause I dont want to gamble the game on a possible framer as opposed to someone who I think is CONFIRMED FUCKING SCUM. You must be the scum going all in on this then, cause you know they are both town and you dont care which one gets lynched. So MZ, what do you say? Currently evidence shows that either there is a framer or you are scum. You want to vote for someone other than marv, like SnB? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I would really like more posts, but I AM THE COP(parity cop). So I checked FT day 1 and marv day 3 and no one day 2 cause Im bad at mafia. If you say im fakeclaiming, well, guess what? You scumclaimed bro. oats this is like the worst claim I've ever seen. Seriously this is criminally bad. If you're actually town you win the award for worst parity cop of all time. But I don't think you're bad town. Someone said this was mylo, all scum has to do is force a mislynch. Currently people want to kill marv over me so scum need to step up and make a bold move such as, idk, fake claiming to throw dirt on the reads of a fucking FLIPPED parity cop. Whip up a fake claim, throw in a little WIFOM, mix some setup speculation in with that and boom! Perfect conditions for that final mislynch you need to win the game. So no I don't believe your claim and you'll be lynched tomorrow after marv flips scum. Also fucking look at Marv's defense, he isn't even trying lol. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On July 26 2013 16:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: oats this is like the worst claim I've ever seen. Seriously this is criminally bad. If you're actually town you win the award for worst parity cop of all time. But I don't think you're bad town. Someone said this was mylo, all scum has to do is force a mislynch. Currently people want to kill marv over me so scum need to step up and make a bold move such as, idk, fake claiming to throw dirt on the reads of a fucking FLIPPED parity cop. Whip up a fake claim, throw in a little WIFOM, mix some setup speculation in with that and boom! Perfect conditions for that final mislynch you need to win the game. So no I don't believe your claim and you'll be lynched tomorrow after marv flips scum. Also fucking look at Marv's defense, he isn't even trying lol. WHIP UP THAT FAKECLAIM. why dont I claim the d2 result as a dead dude then? like why fakeclaim that I didnt check on day 2. Also, I cant force you to believe my claim but, why not claim like normal cop or whatever? Why fakeclaim a role that has already flipped? Also I already said one of you dudes got framed, why do you not BELIEVE ME. Think about all the claims you have seen, which one does this look like? Incompetent town or scum? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
Marv looks like scum about to die not town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On July 26 2013 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't believe you because I look at marv and see resigned scum rather than townie fighting a mislynch. There is a difference between marv and I. I'm happy to die to prove him scum, he's resigned to die and isn't gonna do amything to prevent it. Marv looks like scum about to die not town. Its mylo dude. If you dying means town lose, are you happy? Currently you are going to die so yeah.... Also, wanna lynch SnB? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 26 2013 16:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Its mylo dude. If you dying means town lose, are you happy? Currently you are going to die so yeah.... Also, wanna lynch SnB? No I wanna lynch the dead DT's scum check, aka marv. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On July 26 2013 17:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No I wanna lynch the dead DT's scum check, aka marv. but do you really think marv is scum? Blue roles are great and all, but sometimes, its NOT ENOUGH. Im gonna need posts so this is my last post for a while. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 26 2013 17:15 Oatsmaster wrote: but do you really think marv is scum? Blue roles are great and all, but sometimes, its NOT ENOUGH. Im gonna need posts so this is my last post for a while. Look at how marv has acted today. I'd be much more willing to hear you out if marv had at least tried to look town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
I masoned marv. logs + Show Spoiler + marvellosity: aight Oatsmaster: yo Oatsmaster: so you sk? marvellosity: -.- marvellosity: who did I shoot last night, if i was? Oatsmaster: lol Oatsmaster: i have no idea Oatsmaster:  marvellosity: serious question Oatsmaster: but rayn says kohlly Oatsmaster: and im inclined to agree marvellosity: so I shot my main scumtarget of the game, running the risk that I look terrible if he flips town? Oatsmaster: so do you think there is an sk in this game? marvellosity: sounds genius Oatsmaster: yes marv Oatsmaster: exactly marvellosity: I'll tell you for free marvellosity: I'm not an idiot marvellosity: which should instantly discount that theory Oatsmaster: oh? marvellosity: i'd bet on there not being an SK marvellosity: can't be sure thouhg Oatsmaster: also scum kp is 1? Oatsmaster: that seems really weird marvellosity: scum KP is almost certainly not 1 marvellosity: it's probably 2 i guess marvellosity: which means a shot on n1 is unaccounted for Oatsmaster: right Oatsmaster: so like joat> Oatsmaster: ? Oatsmaster: or why wouldnt the dude claim? marvellosity: maybe joat marvellosity: maybe multi-shot marvellosity: joat seems more likely i guess Oatsmaster: yeah Oatsmaster: hmm Oatsmaster: so koshi scum Oatsmaster: y/n? marvellosity: na marvellosity: although Oatsmaster: but that post Oatsmaster: so scum marvellosity: with layabout and kholly being town marvellosity: it means there's scum in ppl i had as town before Oatsmaster: OR YOU ARE SCUM! Oatsmaster: nah marvellosity: shrug marvellosity: can't be bothered to argue against the stupid this game Oatsmaster: dont have enough posts to argue against stupid marvellosity: and that marvellosity: I do tend to post massively when i'm raging against stupidity marvellosity: pretty sure i overposted in the night cycle Oatsmaster: ok Oatsmaster: im parity cop btw Oatsmaster: game unbalanced Oatsmaster: checked you and FT marvellosity: lol marvellosity: wat Oatsmaster: yeah marvellosity: what night did you check? marvellosity: n1? Oatsmaster: n1 and n3 Oatsmaster: im bad at nightactions marvellosity: hmm marvellosity: i'm running under the theory that i was framed some night marvellosity: what were the results? Oatsmaster: man Oatsmaster: so scummy Oatsmaster: ok marvellosity: ? marvellosity: stop being fucking dumb Oatsmaster: SAME Oatsmaster: too dumb to be scum? marvellosity: no, just too dumb marvellosity: same, interesting marvellosity: wait marvellosity: day 4 today right? Oatsmaster: yup Oatsmaster: so either you got framed n2, or MZ is SCUM marvellosity: so layabout would have got his check from n2 marvellosity: yeah Oatsmaster: i havent got back from RoL whether 3P return as town marvellosity: if MZ is mafia I'll be really sad Oatsmaster: why? Oatsmaster: his filter is shit btw marvellosity: because his filter is shit marvellosity: he was such a cock early in the game Oatsmaster: ah ok marvellosity: feels so dirty to play that way as mafia marvellosity: it's *almost* dick-move analysis, but not quite Oatsmaster: i dont knowf Oatsmaster: feels like a lotta reaction posting Oatsmaster: like i did in nuclear Oatsmaster: and no like objective marvellosity: lemme find marvellosity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=29#577 marvellosity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=31#605 marvellosity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=31#610 marvellosity: shit like that Oatsmaster: mebbe Oatsmaster: how do parity cops work? Oatsmaster: compare to your last target right? marvellosity: just a lot of being sarcastic and calling people bad for no reason Oatsmaster: yeah marvellosity: shrug Oatsmaster: you wanna kill snb and wigglesa? marvellosity: maybe he would do that as mafia marvellosity: i think s&b is the best bet marvellosity: still not sure on wiggles Oatsmaster: well he also had chats with rayn marvellosity: Adam is mafia I think. Oatsmaster: like pm conversations Oatsmaster: oh really? Oatsmaster: why/how? marvellosity: yeah marvellosity: he's just afked Oatsmaster: where has he been? marvellosity: no idea Oatsmaster: afked isnt a scumtell dumbo marvellosity: yes it is marvellosity: certainly for adam Oatsmaster: his chats with you were not very alignment indicative? marvellosity: not particularly Oatsmaster: well like intermittent posting sure, but absolutely nothing? Oatsmaster: nah thats not really good marvellosity: ? Oatsmaster: like Oatsmaster: im inclined to think its some irl thing Oatsmaster: if he didnt post for 24 hours marvellosity: that's nice marvellosity: i've known adam and played with him for a year marvellosity: have you? Oatsmaster: but if he posted like 5-6 posts in that period about nothing Oatsmaster: then possiblt Oatsmaster: I have played with adam in like 5/6 games Oatsmaster: all town I think marvellosity: right marvellosity: so you have no idea Oatsmaster: so go and explain how total absence is a scumtell for adam. marvellosity: it doesn't matter today marvellosity: s&b is a better lynch Oatsmaster: come on marvellosity: see if adam comes back before he gets modkilled Oatsmaster: tell me about it anywaya Oatsmaster: then I can meta him in future games marvellosity: eh marvellosity: he just hates playing mafia marvellosity: if he can get away with not posting, he will Oatsmaster: lol Oatsmaster: and you cant really use posts to pressure him Oatsmaster: man this game is godo for scum, marvellosity: i'm not certain he's mafia, but there's a decent chance at this stage Oatsmaster: is kush alive? Oatsmaster: kush replaced out right? marvellosity: lol marvellosity: no Oatsmaster: dude OP isnt updated marvellosity: try reading the thread marvellosity: that would help Oatsmaster: naw Oatsmaster: so whats in kush's slot? marvellosity: ??? Oatsmaster: is he dead/replaced? Oatsmaster: or is he just not really posting marvellosity: he's alive marvellosity: don't ask me retarded questions oats, it's really irritating Oatsmaster: hows lunch? marvellosity: lunchy Oatsmaster: descriptive Oatsmaster: i dont really wanna ask you about node Oatsmaster: but I really wanna know marvellosity: node is adam possibly? marvellosity: yeah tbh i keep getting confused about the replacements as well marvellosity: that sounds right Oatsmaster: yeah ok Oatsmaster: RoL so lazy marvellosity: Ver really marvellosity: it is indeed annoying Oatsmaster: 2 scum left Oatsmaster: um 4 scum Oatsmaster: SnB/adam/Wiggles Oatsmaster: im thinking vayne or koshi marvellosity: they both seem quite town to me Oatsmaster: so then whos the alst one? marvellosity: i've no idea Oatsmaster: ... Oatsmaster: speculate marvellosity: no Oatsmaster:  marvellosity: god there's not enough players marvellosity: i guess anyone could be mafia Oatsmaster: lol Oatsmaster: including me? Oatsmaster: marvellosity: sorry :p marvellosity: yeah Oatsmaster: haha Oatsmaster: man you suck at reading lynchbait vs scum marvellosity: get lost oats Oatsmaster: so far Oatsmaster: 2/2 Oatsmaster: haha Oatsmaster: do you still have a mason? marvellosity: kush and adam Oatsmaster: you masoned kush Oatsmaster: lolol marvellosity: naw marvellosity: he masoned me marvellosity: so did adam for that matter marvellosity: maybe he's not scum Oatsmaster: i meant like of the 2 you start with Oatsmaster: so when a dude masons you he is town Oatsmaster: well so far thats been 3/3 marvellosity: not necessarily Oatsmaster: well maybe not Oatsmaster: if adam is scum marvellosity: but if anyone can read Adam, I can Oatsmaster: which I really dont think so marvellosity: he's just not given me a chance too Oatsmaster: you are reading adam's disappearence man marvellosity: yeah marvellosity: chances are that's scummy marvellosity: but it's not certain Oatsmaster: maybe marvellosity: 2:1 odds maybe Oatsmaster: that hes scum cause of that Oatsmaster: thats good odds marvellosity: yeah marvellosity: and because looking at the playerlist marvellosity: finding 4 mafia is hard Oatsmaster: maybe Oatsmaster: i think we kill snb and wiggles Oatsmaster: and leave active players till later marvellosity: mm marvellosity: i'll check s&b's filter later marvellosity: see if he's actually hunted any mafia or if he's just complained about being called mafia Oatsmaster: probably not Oatsmaster: there is like 0 reasosn to shoot ace though Oatsmaster: i wouldnt have even shot ace marvellosity: yeah marvellosity: that was terrible marvellosity: yeah s&b hasn't done anything Oatsmaster: ok Oatsmaster: gong to push that tmr i guess Oatsmaster: should I disclose that I masoned you>? marvellosity: if you like marvellosity: you should save the logs marvellosity: i closed your window at some point out of annoyance so i lost most of them :p Oatsmaster: haha Oatsmaster: yeah I should Oatsmaster: yeah snb so scum marvellosity: mm Oatsmaster: compulsive Oatsmaster: lol marvellosity:  So marv has been useful in Pms at least. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Killing me today would be utterly stupid so I'm not even contemplating it. How is that 'resigned'? It's 'assuming town aren't a complete bunch of fuckwits' - easy mistake to make, I know | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
In any case, s&b is a better lynch than MZ I think. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Here I was, thinking marv was town and wanted to switch to the MZ wagon because I liked Khyronne his point about so many scums being on the VE wagon because the other 2 wagons were scums (SloOsh+MZ). So I started reading the logs from MZ and marv. Now my conclusion is BOTH ARE HORRIBLE. MZ I suggest people read these logs themselves. The logs contain: Early game: Toying around with Ace & VA Mid game: Horrible crap. End game: Doing a lot of things to keep suspicion on marv. Being a martyr is cool! --> yay for uselessness. Hapa/marv Hapa used to be marv on the first cycle. @marv you say that Hapa was easy to read when you replaced him, can you tell me what you read? Hapa was masoned with yamato. It was a pregame agreement... When marv took over he only briefly talked with yamato. However, yamato looked town in marv his book. While in the brief exchange that DH had with yamato, DH concluded extremely fast that yamato was scum. (go read those logs, guys) Marv spent a lot of time with Vivax in chat. Vivax his PMs to me were really clear, we needed to lynch SloOsh and SnB. After all these hours in chat this dedication didn't rub off on marv at all. Marv just stated for the first time that going after SnB might be smart... In midgame marv actually made 1 analytical post, read it: + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2013 00:58 marvellosity wrote: Seems I'm burping through my posts a little, sorry about that. Decided to have a look at the day 1 and day 2 votecounts. All this taken under the assumption slOosh is mafia. + Show Spoiler [Vote Counts] + On July 18 2013 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Vote count incoming. VisceraEyes - 6 Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig kholly VayneAuthority - 0 DoctorHelvetica - 1 Meapak_Ziphh Sloosh - 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta FirmTofu Kholly - 1 marvellosity Strongandbig - 1 Vivax raynpelikoneet - 0 Sandroba - 0 Malongo - 1 Koshi Oatsmaster - 0 Firmtofu - 1 DoctorHelvetica Meapak_ziphh - 5 Mr. Wiggles layabout Malongo gumshoe VisceraEyes Ace - 0 VisceraEyes has 6 votes and is to be lynched. This will be finalized and posted in 20 minutes. If anyone can verify my count it would be appreciated. On July 21 2013 14:20 geript wrote: DoctorHelvetica (0): layabout (1): slOosh kholly (1): Oatsmaster (0): Vivax (0): Meapak_Ziphh (1): slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, layabout, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, VayneAuthority, Korynne, Koshi, Adam4167 strongandbig (1): VayneAuthority (1): Malongo Not Voting (1) : Meapak_Ziphh Day 1: slOosh: rayn, Vayne, HiroPro, kush, FirmTofu Day 2: slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, So people marked in blue are people who voted slOosh both days, and therefore look quite good. Incidentally I'd say that at this stage, it would be a good reason for Vayne and rayn to stop taking slugs out of each other, even though it's nice for a bit of rhyming. At the moment I think you're both town. Bold people are confirmed flips, and anyone in unbolded green is a current town-read of mine. So that leaves Wiggles, layabout, and Adam (a replacement). Pre-edit: Votecount was wrong, layabout wasn't voting for slOosh, and Meapak was but omitted on geript's votecount Here's what Wiggles had to say about slOosh day 1: And then day 2: One curious thing about it is that he's backing off what seemed to be a pretty damn strong scumread on MZ for no actual reason other than "I don't get as much the same feeling.". Also, I feel the context of Vivax's mason logs is kinda important: The emphasis is mine. Seems Wiggles found himself on slOosh despite basically ignoring him day 1 and thinking there were better targets (layabout) day 2. Conclusion? Looks pretty fishy, but not conclusive. Spoilering the layabout stuff I wrote below because the votecount was wrong :/ + Show Spoiler + So how about layabout? Day 1 slOosh mentions: On July 18 2013 09:44 layabout wrote: -snip- For a 24 player game we have a vote's spread pretty thinly: here are the leaders as far as i can tell and we should not be lynching slOosh. votes sloosh: 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes VE: 3 FirmTofu yamato77 slOosh snb:2 Vivax gumshoe Interesting anyways. Why shouldn't we? On July 18 2013 09:55 layabout wrote: -snip- It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on. But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread. VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context. Moving on to after the day 1 lynch.... On July 19 2013 10:47 layabout wrote: slOsh's attitude really does not fell like the attitude of somebody that is trying to find scum. I think he is deliberately overlooking stuff that should be obvious . slOosh now scummy, after saying he was a terrible lynch day 1. On July 21 2013 11:29 layabout wrote: apparent ly mz was lying as a joke. what a dick. i athinkingm about not playing with him again. what a horeible attitude. why has no one pmed me yet? if i am around i might switch to slOosh. but i havent filtered him and i am not thinking straight And............ just realised this is all hopeless, because the Day 2 votecount was wrong and layabout was actually voting for MZ, and not slOosh. Lame. And Adam... not a lot to say about Adam. That's all we have. Meapak... I kinda think he's town, and it's a bit hard to pin him down on his filter. Day 1 MZ fails to mention slOosh at all. Post Day 1: First mention that I can find. This one looks pretty terrible, but ugh. I have to say I'm really just crossing my fingers and hoping MZ is town, because I can't give any massively rational reasons why it should be the case. Just some general musings on votecounts; On Day 1 Meapak had 5 voters, as one of the 3 main wagons. 3 of the wagon have flipped town (gumshoe, VE, Malongo) leaving Mr Wiggles and layabout. This alone makes it pretty likely at least one of Wiggles and layabout was mafia - working on the assumption that at least 3 of the wagon on VE were mafia (yamato/slOosh/s&b, possibly kholly...). It's kinda unfortunate there were so many no-shows on Day 1, leaves a lot of information missing. After this posts marv leaks the infamous "Oh hai marv, u sk bro?" So about this marv: Wrong about yamato,kholly and FT in early Mid-game analytical posts is pointing fingers at Wiggles, being null on adam and dedicating a town read on MZ. While khyronne and I are town in his vote analysis. So nobody is scum except for Wiggles maybe. End-game marv is being cynical, shows no remorse about his game so far, doesn't want to play because the stupidity, and gets heavily defended by Oats. Who is defending marv always and ever, and marv looks worse because of it. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I have no idea about you. You seem to like the SnB lynch? You seem to think Marv is good for this town? You don't want to put too much weight in the layabout claim because of Framer, but you are really confident in your own results about FT/Marv, you don't think Marv could be godfather or be framed to look town? I am currently still on the SnB-marv-Oats lynch. You seem to think I am scummy? Pressure me. Tell me why. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Why would I show remorse about being wrong? What's the point? "Sorry guys, I thought kholly was mafia, but he wasn't" - happy? I only look worse for Oats defending me if you're blinded by confirmation bias, which you are. Call my play horrible all you like, you're the one repeatedly attacking a townie at this stage. I can fabricate scumreads and reasoning if you like. I'm terribly good at that. How hard do you think it would have been for me to conclude in that vote-analysis post that Wiggles looked terrible and was mafia? Would that have made me look better? Want me to waffle on about how Wiggles has stayed aloof from the game, has failed to comment on thread goings-on? This is all true, but I find Wiggles pretty hard to read because he never seems particularly involved. I'd *love* to tell you that I was totally convinced though. Or how about MZ - the obvious conclusion from what I looked at and much of his early play is that he's mafia. A case on MZ is fucking easy to make but I haven't god-damn made it because I don't think I believe in it. Could I be wrong and MZ is mafia? Yes of course I could, but I'm not going to push a case I'm not totally sure I believe in. Cold logic suggests from the parity cop check that MZ must be mafia. So fucking simple for me to jump all over his ass, pull up posts where he's actively trolling town during the start of the game, so easy to bring up posts where he actively isn't giving a single fuck about the Day 1 lynch, so easy for me to point out how MZ didn't even MENTION slOosh on Day 1, but on Day 2 was suddenly very happy with a slOosh lynch. I'm just desperately crossing my fingers that MZ wouldn't call town a bunch of idiots repeatedly on Day 1 as mafia, because that seems icky. Maybe I'm wrong and he did, I don't know. Want me to go make faux cases so I look all active and caring? Would you be jumping all over my ass now if I'd shown fake-conviction on say Wiggles and MZ? This bears repeating - mafia *KNEW* they had a pardon handy, jumping on to slOosh on Day 2 was a very easy way to "look good" because it ends up being pardoned anyway. If you're looking at an uncertain marvellosity, you're looking at a town marvellosity, because non-town marvellosity has no problem saying anything about anyone and making it look good. I've played 11 (I think) games as mafia/3rd party and won 10 of them - it's really easy to look like you care when you don't care, you know. Or maybe I want to lynch the guy who randomly took a terrible shot on a townie, and then accuses a usually very-high-volume poster of "not playing like usual" as his only point of interest since shooting Ace in the whole game. | ||
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