EPTAlso FoS stands for Finger of Suspicion not Full of Shit. You can just write that one out.
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Also FoS stands for Finger of Suspicion not Full of Shit. You can just write that one out. (5/20) | ||
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On July 20 2013 09:47 Ace wrote: crazy thing is I only voted VE on a whim. Didn't care if he lived or died. If I wanted to really kill him for claiming I would have interacted with him. Never even spoke to him, or anyone else in the thread about his claim. I just went to sleep. Cool story bro. ##kill: ace | ||
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@marv what do you mean it doesn't make sense for town to shoot ace. He was actively refusing to engage in any way that could either help find scum or show us he's town. And he was actively disrupting and confusing the thread and advancing the scum agenda. I know how hard it is to get ace lunched, and I had a bullet, so I shot him. Plus I got to shoot ace. Right in the face. That's enough to satisfy me any day of the week, you could lynch me for it right now and I would still regret nothing. | ||
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I'm Just drunk Rid I vote yet? | ||
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Other than inactivity what's the case against me? Vivax has been tunneling me all game (just like he does every game) based on my bad first post, but everyone else seems to just have been coasting along with his tunnel. And I will defend the ace shot to my grave if necessary. There was no reason to leave him alive and every reason to want him dead. | ||
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On July 23 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote: Vayne, you agree we got to lynch the other guys first right? Sloosh and SnB? But shit like this? When did I become auto scum? | ||
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Original Message From slOosh: Scum motivated because you don't want to be on a town mislynch wagon, and you create more chaos by moving around votes like that. Just because layabout could have done something as scum and didn't, doesn't mean he can't be scum. I've seen scum lynched D1 (Catch 22 mafia) by one vote, and scum could have easily switched but they didn't, and then the rest of the game the scum skated by on town cred because "why wouldn't scum just switch their vote" was so strong. Do you have some town tells on layabout or something? Also, what do you think of the new Ace / FirmTofu stuff? stopped replying when it became clear that he wasn't really trying to persuade people he's town anymroe | ||
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On July 23 2013 05:11 marvellosity wrote: Can you please do so, as you haven't really defended it at all so far... for example, I asked you a question before. It's in my filter if you want to find it, I bolded your name and everything. i assume you mean strongandbig - I would like to know who you talked to in PMs regarding your shot on Ace, and if there are any logs of you doing so. If it was a unilateral shot then... well, yeah. no i didnt talk about it with anyone, i'm only masoned with sloosh and obviously i'm not going to talk about it with him. no one masoned me and i haven't used my second mason yet. i don't see the problem with not asking for permission first unless you disagree with my actual reasons for shooting him. what's your problem with @marv what do you mean it doesn't make sense for town to shoot ace. He was actively refusing to engage in any way that could either help find scum or show us he's town. And he was actively disrupting and confusing the thread and advancing the scum agenda. I know how hard it is to get ace lunched, and I had a bullet, so I shot him. Plus I got to shoot ace. Right in the face. and do you seriously think that regardless of my alignment i would try to consult before dayvigging ace when he's playing like that? cause let me tell you, i wouldn't. | ||
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On July 24 2013 00:06 kushm4sta wrote: next two lynches are set in stone, so it makes sense that the game is kind of dead. blame ver for making a game with pardoners imo. green/ can pardoner pardon themselves? /green lynch after sloosh is not set in stone. no one has yet given a good reason for lynching me. so stop just assuming i'm gonna get mislynched. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:38 kushm4sta wrote: @SnB not buying this: He fakeclaimed to test FT's reaction. That is worthy of a vig shot? You are accusing Ace of trolling basically. Show me a quote where he is trolling to the extent that he deserves a vig shot. You thought FT looked at least a little scummy at the time. In fact you had voted him earlier in the day. You never declare that you have a townread on FT. How do you shoot Ace without a townread on FT??? obviously they aren't both scum this is dumb. of course they could both be scum, but more generally i don't let connection theories between unflipped players influence my thought process. when i was thinking about whether ace was scum i didn't worry about whether or not tofu was scum. but to go a step further - i didn't and don't think ace fakeclaimed to test ft's reaction. he didn't even claim the cop check was on ft. and he made his claim obviously fake. On July 24 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote: SnB please go in attack mode if you can. Who do you think is scummy, Why? We only see you defending D: it's hard to do much but defend when everyone is constantly attacking you and when you have to push back against people just assuming they're going to lynch you without actually making a case. basically all my time thinking about mafia has been focused on this, and on ace/firmtofu and on ve/sloosh. now that all of those situations are pretty much resolved, i have to look into the cases that have been made on layabout and meapak. but chezinu is someone else who should be carefully looked at. I have to compare his play to nuclear winter mafia but off the top of my head i don't see anything here that is differetn from his scum play there. | ||
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Why would I PM ace before shooting him. Then he might be able to stop me. | ||
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I shot ace for a couple of reasons that no one has argued with yet - one is protown (he was playing like scum and I thought he was scum, but he's impossible to lynch) and, true, one is alignment neutral (I like shooting ace) but no one has said yet why that makes me scum. Ima do a little analysis now. In the sloosh/Marv convo, sloosh claimed that they knew Marv was SK from a cop check. This gives us four possibilities: 1. scum actually do have a role cop check on Marv as SK, as they appear to imply in the sloosh/Marv convo. Best move for town is to lunch Marv and reduce anti town KP. Regardless of whether the 2kp/night so far has been due to scum only having one KP as someone suggested or if we've been lucky with KP overlap/protective roles, best move if we have the SK is to get rid of him. 2. scum knew about the mz/Marv "different" result that was floating around pm land, and that neither of them is scum. In this scenario, presumably either sloosh contacted both Marv and mz, or they read Marv as SK. In this case whether we lynch Marv or mz depends on who we think is more likely to be the SK. If the "different" result was due to a framer, I doubt that scum would have initiated the conversation with Marv, I don't see any benefit to doing that instead of just letting town kill both of them. 3. Marv is scum and the convo was faked. This could have been a response to knowing about the parity check, although I don't see why that would be a better response than just trying to lynch mz, either way the check leads to Marv getting lynched and the "when" just depends on getting people to lynch mz first. I feel like getting us to lynch mz first would be easy if Marv actually started giving a shit, and given how egotistical he can get about his scum play I doubt that would have been an issue. I don't think that is the case. Still, this is a possible scenario where we should obviously lynch Marv. 4. Marv is town, mz is scum, and the convo was initiated in response to scum finding out about the parity check. This is the scenario where we should obviously lynch mz. Still, this is a very high-risk strategy from scum, since it relies on Marv posting the conversation and not having it make him "confirmed" or gain massive town cred. It's also possible but I think this scenario is also unlikely So here's my conclusion. I think it seems improbable that either of mz or Marv is actually scum. So I think we should lynch Marv for a couple reasons. (1) his play this game doesn't match either his scum or town play. Unless he's been way more active and involved in pms than he has here, it doesn't match his town play (which sometimes looks scummy but always looks leadery) or his scum play (which is quite active as well, and very ego-driven). Therefore, I think he is neither. (2) there's a possibility the scum do have a rolecop and that's why they contacted Marv, in which case they're giving us free information and it would be a shame not to use it. So ##vote: marv Also inb4 "oh he's hunting SK not scum" well what I'm actually doing is hunting for the most reasonable anti town person I can get you all to lunch instead of mislynching me and trying to work with the cop claim we have so fuck you too. At least I'm still trying despite people in this game being stupid and calling me scum for no good reason, unlike some people in this town. | ||
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Two parity cops is way more unlikely than three town vigs. Why check firmtofu night one as parity cop? He was neither clear town nor (as of n1) likely to be flipped anytime soon, that was well before anyone started listening to drh. Checking him wouldn't resolve his alignment (obviously) nor would it give a good basis for knowing the alignment of future checks. Oats just picked someone suspicious who had flipped without thinking like a parity cop (Also even if oats is telling the truth, ft was a way more reasonable frame than mz night one, since ft was a great target for a normal cop, but a terrible one for a parity cop. Either way you look at it layabouts check is way more reliable than this oats bs) Fakeclaiming at lylo for the win when we have a check from a confirmed and flipped cop. And you sheep are gonna fall for it. Humorously bad claim. "Forgot to check night two" is a good one though, I'll have to remember that. | ||
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Specifically I do not regret shooting ace. | ||
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