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Eccleston
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PTroughton2
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On June 12 2013 06:12 SMcCoy wrote: Why do you include yourself into that group though To thoroughly explain my thoughts about the process of elimination, when starting from the point of day one not being an elaborate well-thought-out bus from the very beginnings of the game. The only scenario in which that makes sense, and the one that makes you mafia, is that you saw no way to reduce suspicion on DrT and there were plenty of targets including my predecessor and Eccleston who were making themselves spectacles in one way or another. This makes you town beyond a shadow of a doubt for me. I'm about to re-read Baker, because my only doubts about him being town stem from how little, relative to day one and two, he contributed to the conversations when discussing lynches. He latched on to you quite tightly early in the game and I need to review him again. Most recently of concern is that despite him calling me out for making errors in my VCA he has still not shown me where those errors were. He seeks to discredit me with nothing? Warrants a closer look. | ||
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Eccleston
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SMcCoy
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On June 12 2013 06:19 Eccleston wrote: mccoy... deflecting from "confirmed town" mccoy and baker... u cant "fool" me All of town wants to lynch you and I'm still here questioning everyone and leaving no stone unturned. Show me the scum motivation in that, I'm at no danger of getting lynched so I wouldn't even have to "act townie". | ||
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Eccleston
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SMcCoy
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Troughton, you have multiple instances, like 2 or 3 times where you promise reads or thoughts on JP, and that during the phase where he was being discussed for lynch, then you vote for him "to make sure we get a lynch" after voting HW, and as it is you never lost a word about JP during the time. What gives? | ||
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Eccleston
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PTroughton2
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On June 12 2013 06:34 SMcCoy wrote: Well you are putting on a nice show to get yourself lynched, if you're town I hope to never see you again in a mafia game. Troughton, you have multiple instances, like 2 or 3 times where you promise reads or thoughts on JP, and that during the phase where he was being discussed for lynch, then you vote for him "to make sure we get a lynch" after voting HW, and as it is you never lost a word about JP during the time. What gives? JP was the lynch I replaced in the second half of the day cycle for, I believe? I thought I had replaced in much sooner than I had, I wasn't quite caught up with the game at that point with my second read-through. On June 12 2013 06:17 SMcCoy wrote: Like, you seem to think me and Baker can't be scum. You should know if you're town, so why do you show all these doubts about H3 and Eccleston? With two townreads it should be a no-brainer for you that they are the remaining two scum. My doubts come from not wanting to make pre-flip associations, as have been so brazenly given out over the weekend, because we are in our final day if we are wrong and Eccleston has been a candidate for, what, three days in a row without getting lynched? I'm seriously trying to judge if he is playing stupid or if he really is that clueless about the gamestate. Do you not agree that Eccleston is the mostly likely to be scum right now? I will just outright say it then. That if Eccleston is mafia I believe H3 to be the final one. H3 defending Eccleston at every possible turn, most notably this one comes to mind: On June 07 2013 05:44 Hurndall3 wrote: k i have to go so this is a survival vote ##vote ecc On June 07 2013 05:59 SMcCoy wrote: Just by judging the voters I fear eccleston is a mislynch. On June 07 2013 06:08 Hurndall3 wrote: i agree ecc is a mislynch but wtf do you want me to do His scum reads at this point are myself and HW, I believe? Why didn't he push one of us, instead of resigning himself to what he considers a mislynch? Because his behavior has become acceptable in this game and only now at the end is he stepping it up so that he's not the lurkiest of the lurkers, when his participation level will be truly apparent. On June 08 2013 08:29 Hurndall3 wrote: k I've been reading and rereading eccs filter and I think he's town. his early game record looks really scummy (shown by msmiths analysis.). In fact it looks so bad that scum would probably be more careful about how they were treating DrT, since all the powertowns were on drts wagon and it was pretty obvious he was going to be lynched. this is a tooscummytobescum argument but that doesn't mean its wrong. secondly there is this quote: I really can't imagine writing this as scum. And I don't mean the thought is particularly pro town. It's just that scum doesn't have thoughts like this. Too scummy to be scum argument, as though that should be applicable to this game where nobody is nobody. Regardless of my fundamental disagreement that playing too scummy to be scum in a smurf game is a viable tactic, anyone who is playing that card HAS to be scum because there is no other reason to behave in that manner. | ||
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PTroughton2
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PTroughton2
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SMcCoy
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His scum reads at this point are myself and HW, I believe? Why didn't he push one of us, instead of resigning himself to what he considers a mislynch? You are guilty of that as well. During two days you've pushed someone, and at the end of both of them you dropped down all your arguments to hop on the mislynch wagon without fighting for your own scumread to be lynched. | ||
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SMcCoy
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JP was the lynch I replaced in the second half of the day cycle for, I believe? I thought I had replaced in much sooner than I had, I wasn't quite caught up with the game at that point with my second read-through. Weak excuse. You had plenty of time, and numerous points you could have commented on. June 03 2013 16:45 -> So you have my thoughts based on my first quick 90-minute read through the game so far. If you want impressions on players who I haven't mentioned that I will be looking at when I return that would be swell. Looks like we're talking about JP most recently so I'll add him to my to-do list. Goodnight. June 04 2013 04:49 -> 3) It's in the pipeline. As response to (3) Yes, please share the JP read. June 04 2013 06:09 -> As a note, It also comes full circle to JP, and this isn't a complete case but something to note, that JP was one of the few who didn't have an immediate scum read on DrT, but rather understood where he was coming from, which is something I want to take a deeper look at when I'm finished with this round of notes. More on this later, back to re-reading. June 04 2013 09:11 -> JP claim: Can't think of a way to verify it, "trust but verify" works for me right now since we don't have a counter-claim. We'll see what happens tonight. And then you do something that doesn't make any sense. You go for a solitary vote on HW, followed by a switch to JP within less than an hour. You could not possibly have ever hoped to get people to switch to HW with that post. On June 04 2013 09:22 PTroughton2 wrote: Deadline is coming soon? I replaced in a lot later than I thought. Uhhh... Summarize for me why we should lynch an un-counter-claimed medic? I'm liking a Hartnell lynch at the moment based on just having a look, you're going to have to sell me on JP. On June 04 2013 09:25 PTroughton2 wrote: ##Vote: HartnellWill On June 04 2013 09:50 PTroughton2 wrote: Are we at majority with the 6 votes from the last vote count? I'm not 100% sure because math, but I will switch to ensure a lynch. Still would prefer Hartnell if enough show up to make that happen. The JP claim feels like a reconciliation from him for not being able to be around today due to RL or whatever, and while making RL excuses in mafia is frowned upon, it's simply a fact that it happens. To make sure we get a lynch. ##unvote ##vote JPertwee But you could have thought that it made you look townie. | ||
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PTroughton2
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On June 12 2013 06:52 SMcCoy wrote: You are guilty of that as well. During two days you've pushed someone, and at the end of both of them you dropped down all your arguments to hop on the mislynch wagon without fighting for your own scumread to be lynched. He asked "what do you want me to do" like he wants to know what he should be doing at that point. Translation: "How can I get a town read from you"? Yes, I have voted for people other than Eccleston. Perhaps that's because there have been two scum left in the game and I am loathe to spew pre-flip associations? Regarding my voting history, a brief synopsis. Day 2: JP lynch I went with the wisdom of the thread given that I had just replaced in. Few wanted to take his crumb and claim seriously, I expressed my misgivings with lynching the claimed medic but nobody reacted to it from what I can remember by that point near the end of the day. Maybe because I was on everyone's kill with fire list at that point given the action of my predecessor? Day 3: I was convinced of the Tom lynch in the face of multiple people saying that Eccleston was town. Switched over from Eccleston. If any day meets your criteria for being present and willfully voting for someone who ended up flipping town, this is the one. Day 4: Not present for the conversation, voted for Eccleston. I wasn't here to argue it. Another point supporting your argument. Day 5: I'm voting for Eccleston. That's it. I think he's the scummiest person in the game. You've dragged a pre-flip association out of me that shows I believe he is scum together with H3 and I think that Eccleston is mafia, with H3 heavily implicated by his defensiveness of his scum partner. ##Vote: Eccleston Based on my confidence with Eccleston being scum, just looking at the first couple of pages of Baker's filter shows he is the very unlikely to be scum partners with Eccleston. | ||
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PTroughton2
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On June 12 2013 07:15 SMcCoy wrote: Weak excuse. You had plenty of time, and numerous points you could have commented on. June 03 2013 16:45 -> So you have my thoughts based on my first quick 90-minute read through the game so far. If you want impressions on players who I haven't mentioned that I will be looking at when I return that would be swell. Looks like we're talking about JP most recently so I'll add him to my to-do list. Goodnight. June 04 2013 04:49 -> 3) It's in the pipeline. As response to June 04 2013 06:09 -> As a note, It also comes full circle to JP, and this isn't a complete case but something to note, that JP was one of the few who didn't have an immediate scum read on DrT, but rather understood where he was coming from, which is something I want to take a deeper look at when I'm finished with this round of notes. More on this later, back to re-reading. June 04 2013 09:11 -> JP claim: Can't think of a way to verify it, "trust but verify" works for me right now since we don't have a counter-claim. We'll see what happens tonight. And then you do something that doesn't make any sense. You go for a solitary vote on HW, followed by a switch to JP within less than an hour. You could not possibly have ever hoped to get people to switch to HW with that post. But you could have thought that it made you look townie. Wait, which part are you accusing me of trying to look townie for? HW did look objectively scummy at that point. I voted for him as such because deadline was coming. Then I realized we may not have had a majority with 6 votes and I switched accordingly because I legitimately did not know how many votes we needed. You are accusing me of using the situation opportunistically to try to look townie at a point in time when my slot was in desperate need of some townie points and you say that's bad? Since when is doing anything you can to establish your innocence as town a bad idea? So you must be taking the tack (or at least a line of questioning) that assumes I am mafia and used that opportunity for town credit, but you disregard that given the history of the slot I was just as likely to be on the block next without a massive turnaround from trolling/RP done by the original PT? If I had possessed more time to catch up more quickly I might have been able to give you a more satisfactory vote or explanation for my vote, but there it is. Read the game at, what, 2AM, quick post, gone for a while for other stuff, come back, try to finish reading, get an adequate scum read, post my vote, and consolidate on a lynch all in less than 1/4 the time the original PT2 had and he mustered a measly two posts, one of which was a vote. I'm trying to understand what it is that is bad about me trying to look town given the history of the slot. Please enlighten me why I would only try to repair the image of the slot as mafia and not as town given what I had to work with. | ||
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Eccleston
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think about it... why is mccoy alive? why is everyone who defends me dead... yes it could be scum as me trying to say wifom... but why shoot davison... why shoot so many ppl who arent mccoy... if he is really so townie... and the medic is dead... the obvious answer to how to play is to kill me because i am scummy but it is lylo and u r not giong to be able to do so... also think, that 2 scum of 5 players... means that if u think for a moment i am town... of the other 3, 2 are scum so you cant trust them... but think, how the nks go... they fit into my theory, the scum know i am a mislynch... and now we are at the situation the podcast talk about, where misterously the "town leader" has been alive... nobody questioned geript, nobody wondered why he was alive, even after the thign that made him "confirmed town"... he was terribel after but costed to a finish... and now mccoy is doing the same thing... i am not saying he is geript btw dont modkill me mods... im saying... the idea is a scum play who is confirmed town... and never is questioned... even now, all who ever trusted me, all who thought i was town... they are all dead... and now i am alone... i am an okay arguer but not amazing... how am i going to stop the mccoy beast... he says im bad if im town but sounds so confident but im not scum... dont let him fool you when he is the leader of mislynch, coasting on the town cred, yes he drives the thread but no not ina g ood way all dissent is silenced and in the end do you sielnce me? i cant give up... i wish i was lynched before... so wed have time... but now if i die we lose... | ||
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Eccleston
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Eccleston
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SMcCoy
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You are accusing me of using the situation opportunistically to try to look townie at a point in time when my slot was in desperate need of some townie points and you say that's bad? Since when is doing anything you can to establish your innocence as town a bad idea? Your HW vote didn't show the intention to sway others to vote for someone else. You only made a choice for yourself, with the foreseeable end that no one would follow you based on the few you did to convince others. I'm accusing you of using that switch to gain townie points, not to save JP, and you admit to using that to improve your image, which is scummy. Getting the right lynch is town concern, looking townie the scum one. | ||
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SMcCoy
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PTroughton2
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On June 12 2013 07:42 SMcCoy wrote: Your HW vote didn't show the intention to sway others to vote for someone else. You only made a choice for yourself, with the foreseeable end that no one would follow you based on the few you did to convince others. I'm accusing you of using that switch to gain townie points, not to save JP, and you admit to using that to improve your image, which is scummy. Getting the right lynch is town concern, looking townie the scum one. Getting the right lynch when nobody is listening to me anyway, there is only one move left to make. Here's a quote from a famous TL philosopher that can probably make this point better than I can. On December 04 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote: Establishing your innocence is the first priority over anything else. If you scumhunt, you might catch scum If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So I will ask you again, when the only possible correct move I had was to establish innocence, how is that scum motivated? Would you have honestly listened to me if there had been the opportunity to switch the vote to HW with a few hours left in the day cycle? You certainly had stronger town reads, in fact the entire group of strong townies that I dubbed the original voting bloc voted for JP on day two as illustrated in my original VCA. From the position of being a) behind in understanding of the game and b) unable to properly voice my suspicions of HW given the time frame I had to work with, I went with the best move I thought I could take for town in ensuring a lynch occurred, given that my strongest town reads were already voting for JP. | ||
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