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On June 11 2013 19:16 Hurndall3 wrote:
do you really think he is writing those walls of text as scum? It's the kind of thing where I can see it coming from newb town, or experienced scum trying to act like noob town.
Actually pretending to be noob town is a pretty good strategy for scum in a smurf game.
You suspected him in early game.
Why did you list him among your scumspects as alternative to DrT?
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but yeah right now i think it's a pt baker scumteam if i had to pick
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well i was pbarely reading the game early game so I probably didn't have reasons lol
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i will try to figure some stuff out today at work on my phone
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Hi Hurndall3.
I am more than willing to listen because I actually don't want to lose this game. I don't have any real reason to think PT is town, but I know I am town. If you have any interest in working with me or convincing me, you need to adjust your read to one that doesn't include me as scum, and explain your reasons why.
I assume that your intention today is to vote for PT? Is this correct?
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I recently went back and read McCoy's interaction with DrT on day one. If this is an act, and thus a bus, it's the best one I've seen in a long while. I don't think there's any reason to think McCoy is scum.
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Most scum prefer to mention their teammates in passing along with other people, as to not "incriminate" their teammates if they themselves flip. The most typical scum "soft bus" is for example what DrT did to Eccleston on day one. While it's not conclusive, and DrT might have just picked two random townies, it does look bad.
The one thing that's bothering me is that Eccle's turnaround looks almost too crazy to be scum. It's simply not a winning strategy to go after the two towniest people in the thread as scum. But I don't know, I'm still undecided.
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I desperately need PT, Eccleston and H3 to announce their scumteams (given the assumption I'm confirmed town).
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my scumteam prediction would pretty much be a shit in the dark at this point.
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Well begin with the assumption that I'm not scum, and obviously you have to assume that you yourself is town.
Now explain to me who out of the other three is scum.
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On June 12 2013 02:10 Baker1986 wrote:
I desperately need PT, Eccleston and H3 to announce their scumteams (given the assumption I'm confirmed town).
H3 and Eccleston. Much more certain of Eccleston.
If you found errors in my original VCA, I would like to know what those errors were because I want to include yesterday's votes in the one I put together tonight for discussion.
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On June 11 2013 20:52 Baker1986 wrote:
Most scum prefer to mention their teammates in passing along with other people, as to not "incriminate" their teammates if they themselves flip. The most typical scum "soft bus" is for example what DrT did to Eccleston on day one. While it's not conclusive, and DrT might have just picked two random townies, it does look bad.
The one thing that's bothering me is that Eccle's turnaround looks almost too crazy to be scum. It's simply not a winning strategy to go after the two towniest people in the thread as scum. But I don't know, I'm still undecided.
Here's what I'm thinking with Eccleston about his recent activity: he doesn't seem to have any issue with being called town. Meaning when H3 calls him town, he does not ask him to qualify it, he just accepts it. I feel this is different from the way people call McCoy town (as a given) because of the very strong early game. Where the stance that McCoy is very likely the highest possible town read we have everyone in agreement about it. Where the stance that Eccleston is town we have only one(?) person who truly believes that and possibly some of us toying with the idea of converting over time. I really want to see that qualified today and am also not very certain how it is exactly that Eccleston has accepted this town read for anything he has objectively done this game.
If Eccleston is truly paranoid newbie town, he should probably be suspicious of people going against the general consensus of the thread in giving him a town read, but from what I can remember nothing of the sort has happened. He has also not really encouraged it either, in fact the interactions between H3 and Eccleston are rather sparse, from memory.
I would prefer to see Eccleston be the subject of discussion for a couple of hours if possible to truly discount him if that is the ultimate verdict, but no sooner than that given Davison's exit post.
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Troughton, you wanted to lynch Eccleston for two consecutive days, what is making you doubt all of a sudden?
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I didn't see much doubt in PT's post?
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On June 12 2013 05:28 SMcCoy wrote:
Troughton, you wanted to lynch Eccleston for two consecutive days, what is making you doubt all of a sudden?
I've been trying to see what H3 has been talking about with his town read but what it looks like to me is H3 projecting his own impressions of what makes for easily detectable town play (small tells that are hard to fake, I guess?).
If H3 is scum independently of Eccleston' alignment, he's the "resistance to the lynch" that towns like to see here on TL.
It would also be safe for H3 to say that Eccleston is town if Eccleston is, in fact, town, because it could turn out to be correct.
What has taken me off track with Eccleston is that my scum read on H3 might be the only scum read I have that is correct right now, and that he has been defending Eccleston to, on subsequent days, lynch into those who "couldn't see he was town" which is arguably just about everyone. On previous days when it was possible to lynch Eccleston and have a day to follow it up, H3 wasn't around very much. Only now in the final day(s) of the game is he getting serious about the game -- at crunch time.
Realistically speaking, now that we're down to 5 I don't think that's a thought I'm willing to entertain anymore. I don't see how it would have been advantageous to McCoy and Baker to ensure that DrT was lynched day one. H3 has been noticeably away from the game for multiple long periods of the time and rather unapologetic about it. Eccleston looks like he's playing possum. There HAS TO BE two scum within the group of myself, H3, and Eccleston (ergo, H3 and Eccleston, the names that came up in my last VCA, the names that have been called scummy at various points the entire game, that are by my own process of elimination have to be the last two scum) or we've gotten played so hard.
Semi-summary: Eccleston and H3 are my scum reads by process of elimination combined with the VCA and the NK analysis provided before, given how hard McCoy and Baker pushed for DrT day one. The rest is me just entertaining doubts in my mind.
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Would you lynch H3 or Eccleston first.
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On June 12 2013 05:57 SMcCoy wrote:
Would you lynch H3 or Eccleston first.
Eccleston.
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There HAS TO BE two scum within the group of myself, H3, and Eccleston (ergo, H3 and Eccleston, the names that came up in my last VCA, the names that have been called scummy at various points the entire game, that are by my own process of elimination have to be the last two scum) or we've gotten played so hard.
Why do you include yourself into that group though
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Like, you seem to think me and Baker can't be scum. You should know if you're town, so why do you show all these doubts about H3 and Eccleston? With two townreads it should be a no-brainer for you that they are the remaining two scum.
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You better have a damn good explanation buddy
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