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On June 11 2013 00:08 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:55 fferyllt wrote:
Last night, reading your convo with Onegu I read a buddying-up vibe to your posts. I'll have to fliter-dive again to confirm this, but my sense is that you have not initiated many interactions other than with Onegu. He was about the only one around, so I could hardly initiate interactions with anyone else :/ He's also on my list of suspicious people, though not at the top at the moment. I really didn't like his vote on day 1 being outside the wagons, that's somewhat counterproductive for town.
I wasn't talking about just last night.
I think you had something like 12 posts before day 1 nightfall. In the early part of day 1 you did ask some questions of other players. As the day grew more heated and the 2 main bandwagons began to shape up, not so much. Your posts became more reactive and observational. caveat - 12 posts, most of which were made in the first few hours of day 1 are not much to base a trajectory on.
And there was literally no trajectory leading to your vote post.
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On June 11 2013 00:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 00:08 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:55 fferyllt wrote:
Last night, reading your convo with Onegu I read a buddying-up vibe to your posts. I'll have to fliter-dive again to confirm this, but my sense is that you have not initiated many interactions other than with Onegu. He was about the only one around, so I could hardly initiate interactions with anyone else :/ He's also on my list of suspicious people, though not at the top at the moment. I really didn't like his vote on day 1 being outside the wagons, that's somewhat counterproductive for town. Having a vote outside of the wagons is not in and of itself indicative of alignment. Wouldn't you be more suspicious of him if he switched votes at the end to someone else? I've voted outside of the wagons because I didn't believe in them in previous games.
He never explained why he didn't believe in the wagons, that makes voting outside look bad to me. In fact, reading through what he said I notice that he hardly commented on Firere345 at all - it looks pretty bad to be honest.
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On June 11 2013 00:30 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 00:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 11 2013 00:08 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:55 fferyllt wrote:
Last night, reading your convo with Onegu I read a buddying-up vibe to your posts. I'll have to fliter-dive again to confirm this, but my sense is that you have not initiated many interactions other than with Onegu. He was about the only one around, so I could hardly initiate interactions with anyone else :/ He's also on my list of suspicious people, though not at the top at the moment. I really didn't like his vote on day 1 being outside the wagons, that's somewhat counterproductive for town. Having a vote outside of the wagons is not in and of itself indicative of alignment. Wouldn't you be more suspicious of him if he switched votes at the end to someone else? I've voted outside of the wagons because I didn't believe in them in previous games. He never explained why he didn't believe in the wagons, that makes voting outside look bad to me. In fact, reading through what he said I notice that he hardly commented on Firere345 at all - it looks pretty bad to be honest.
He didn't give huge paragraphs on why he wasn't going for the wagons but if you read his posts, its there. Here is what he said about Gotard and Firere
When referring to Gotard
On June 07 2013 15:28 Onegu wrote:
I think he has to be paranoid at this point more than one person has thought him scum. I am thinking gotard may be town, I am not convinced yet. Why does being paranoid point you toward town?
On June 07 2013 15:56 Onegu wrote:
Ok maybe gotard isnt town but I dont have good enough read on him. I just have a stronger feel for umasi being scum. To me he just changes opinons so much and jumps from point to point and person to person so much. maybe he is paranoid but that just makes me think he might be afraid people are on to him.
When referring to firere
On June 07 2013 21:54 Onegu wrote:
I would really like to hear from him also to see if he really was absent or just lurking. But lets be honest alot of people are sheeping, I think that is just noobish at this point. The thing I have been looking at is offering a thought on someone then sheeping once a majority is on someone else.
On June 08 2013 01:55 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I will be sleeping in the next 2 hours. Iv can you give a good reason for conforming to votes for your last 2 votes please. I would like to see if firere comes back and offers some more reasoning and defense. Xzav and yavannah what are your thoughts on skan, firere, and umasi?
He was much more confident in his voting of Umas than the wagons.
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On June 10 2013 02:34 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
A few hours before I sleep. Just a few things to add right now I would like to know iV scum reads at this point. Second I doubt there is a SK. I am feeling Gotard is town at this point. Xavier assumeing there are at least 2 scum still alive what are your reads at this point. Ffer do you have anythoughts on yavanna? Usami/Lonemeow yavanna isnt even on my radar as im expecting her to be modkilled Gotard probably is town. I know this seems super generic. but im off to work. ill explain when i get home in 5ish hours i think
Xzav, it's been about twenty four hours, and this activity level is drastically different from what it was previously. You have scum reads on Meow and me, but why? I don't like how drastic of an activity shift this is over what you were previously showing, and I think it's you skating by. Normally, I'd want to give you a bit of time to post/figure shit out/whatever, but the last time I said that, the person was promptly lynched and flipped scum.
I also am extremely annoyed that Gotard is -basically- confirmed town to me because of vote analysis, when Xzav was the one who really convinced me he was scum. (Gotard is also kinda more townie since the flip, by virtue of his posting)
I think he's scummy, mainly because of his insubstantial posts since the lynch, but I'm not sure if I want to vote him or the kitty. I am going to go reread Lonemeows filter after mowing lawns, and will post my thoughts and my vote choice then.
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I have never seen so many people use the phrase "confirmed town" so many times in such a short window of time.
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the overall activity level of day 2 is really irking me, too.
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The only confirmed town are the ones who are dead. Everyone else is fair game
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On June 11 2013 01:46 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 02:34 Xzavier wrote:On June 10 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
A few hours before I sleep. Just a few things to add right now I would like to know iV scum reads at this point. Second I doubt there is a SK. I am feeling Gotard is town at this point. Xavier assumeing there are at least 2 scum still alive what are your reads at this point. Ffer do you have anythoughts on yavanna? Usami/Lonemeow yavanna isnt even on my radar as im expecting her to be modkilled Gotard probably is town. I know this seems super generic. but im off to work. ill explain when i get home in 5ish hours i think Xzav, it's been about twenty four hours, and this activity level is drastically different from what it was previously. You have scum reads on Meow and me, but why? I don't like how drastic of an activity shift this is over what you were previously showing, and I think it's you skating by. Normally, I'd want to give you a bit of time to post/figure shit out/whatever, but the last time I said that, the person was promptly lynched and flipped scum. I also am extremely annoyed that Gotard is -basically- confirmed town to me because of vote analysis, when Xzav was the one who really convinced me he was scum. (Gotard is also kinda more townie since the flip, by virtue of his posting) I think he's scummy, mainly because of his insubstantial posts since the lynch, but I'm not sure if I want to vote him or the kitty. I am going to go reread Lonemeows filter after mowing lawns, and will post my thoughts and my vote choice then.
But you havent really posted much, or a defense either since day one. Its like if you ignore me Ill go away... But because of your vote and many of your posts which you havent really defended you are my biggest scum read moreso than day 1.
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I will be sleeping in about a hour and a half and maynot be up for deadline. My vote will most likely be staying on Umasi unless I see something major.
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So the people on Gotard on day one were me, xzav, firere, and lonemeow. I am discounting the possibility of a bus because I don't feel like a bus happened! I think that all three scum were on this wagon, unless yavanna is scum and /afked forever. I have no idea about yavanna though, and I do not want to discuss modkills too much, so I won't! I am going to choose my lynch out of Lonemeow and Xzav.
My thoughts on Xzav are above, and if he isn't around before the lynch, he'll get modkilled ANYWAY. If he does post, I'll reevaluate. Currently, I'm having a hard time contextualizing his play on day 1 as scum. As such, I'll choose Lonemeow as a lynch.
First point on Lonemeow: Their filter is very egh in size, but whatever! It's not necessarily indicative of anything, but it stuck out.
On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.
Although I agree with the reasoning of voting Gotard at the time, I hate the line "essentially, since voting is mandatory"
look at that shit. Voting IS mandatory, but it's all town has. Literally all it has. Why would you not want to choose a lynch target and go with it? for fear of being wrong, so you'd look suspicious?
.....so? Why do you care if you look suspicious? If it was to make you seem more credible later on, then why haven't you pushed anything?
You shouldn't play to stay alive, you should play to lynch scum.
Saying voting is mandatory feels like you are trying to excuse yourself for something you should, well, not be trying to excuse yourself of.
On June 10 2013 16:03 LoneMeow wrote:This level of activity (or rather the lack of it) is really bad. We've managed ~5 pages in half of day 2 compared to 30+ pages in day 1. Onegu, are you around? Do you want to explain your suspicion on Yavanna a bit more? I'm somewhat suspicious of her too, but her last post gives me a strong contradictory read: Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote:
If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi)
This happens right as the Gotard wagon starts, I don't think scum would be ready to lynch one of their own that early, especially since Firere345 wasn't really under heavy suspicion at that point and Gotard would've been an easy target.
Lonemeow, by sheer process of fucking elimination, if i think xzav isn't scum, and I KNOW I'm town, and Firere IS scum, and you I think you are scum, this is you defending Yavanna. If you do flip scum, I'm going to immediately go lynch Yavanna because of this one post.
Also, commenting on the lack of activity is piecemeal -attempt to feign contribution- probably.
##VOTE LONEMEOW
These are my reasons for voting the cat. Kill the cat.
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If you do have doubts about Xzav, go reread day one and ask yourself why scum would play like that, and if you can come up with strong reasoning say it. I could not come up with strong reasoning and thus think he's town, although it would be cool if he got back in here.
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On June 11 2013 02:55 Umasi wrote:
So the people on Gotard on day one were me, xzav, firere, and lonemeow. I am discounting the possibility of a bus because I don't feel like a bus happened! I think that all three scum were on this wagon, unless yavanna is scum and /afked forever.
On June 11 2013 02:55 Umasi wrote:
Lonemeow, by sheer process of fucking elimination, if i think xzav isn't scum, and I KNOW I'm town, and Firere IS scum, and you I think you are scum, this is you defending Yavanna.
On June 11 2013 02:56 Umasi wrote:
If you do have doubts about Xzav, go reread day one and ask yourself why scum would play like that, and if you can come up with strong reasoning say it. I could not come up with strong reasoning and thus think he's town, although it would be cool if he got back in here.
You think that all three scum voted for Gotard but then later you say that Xzay isn't scum? Either I'm not reading this correctly or your thoughts are all over the place. You cant have it both ways as 4 people voted for gotard and if you claim town then the other 3 have to be scum by your statement.
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It became a choice between xzav and yavanna.
I'm pretty positive the scum team HAS to be xzav/yavanna, Lonemeow/xzav, or Yavanna/Lonemeow. I think it's Yavanna/Lonemeow more than I think it's the other two, based on my assumptions.
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As I talked myself through it, I became more and more sure that Yavanna/Lonemeow was the team.
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Vote SlaveCount
LoneMeow (4): fferyllt, StiMaDDict, Gotard, Umasi
Umasi (1): Onegu
Xzavier (1): iVLosK!
Not Voting: SpicyDinosaur, Yavanna, Xzavier, LoneMeow
LoneMeow is currently set to be lynched. Voting is mandatory. This is a plurality lynch.
The day ends on [unparsable timestamp format] (in [unparsable timestamp format])
If there's a mistake, let me know!
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##VOTE LoneMeow
Most reasons are summed up by others but I feel to add/ explain a few others. His D1 excuses for not posting give me a similar scum feel like firere. Very spotting posting coupled with excuses. Only after there is a lot of suspicion on him does he post a lot more. His flip to Gotard still doesnt sit well with me and I was not satisfied with his answer. Furthermore his N1/D2 postings have been mostly damage control on his D1 activity. He has no scum reads atm and the only one he had real suspicions for was Stim. The case against Stim was rather weak and wrong in many instances. Though now he is unsure of Stim so he's back to 0 with scum reads.
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Spicy, assume lonemeow flips scum. Who do you want to lynch next? LoneMeow, Xzav, Yavanna, or me?
Or someone entirely different which I feel is silly.
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Hell, we could also do the same thing on the other side. Say he flips town, who do you want to lynch and why?
If he flips scum, I want to lynch Yavanna>Xzav if nothing drastic occurs.
If he flips town, I want to lynch...Yavanna>Xzav if nothing drastic occurs!
Yeah basically I want to lynch Yavanna>Xzav.
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On June 11 2013 03:19 Umasi wrote:
As I talked myself through it, I became more and more sure that Yavanna/Lonemeow was the team.
What about Yavanna mentioning Xzavier all the time?
On June 06 2013 11:31 Yavanna wrote:
@spicy, how long should we wait before we start applying said pressure? I think Xzavier said something around 20 hours. I mean how much time spent inactive do you consider lurker status?
On June 06 2013 15:43 Yavanna wrote:
Xzav, you seem to have your shit together. Probably my strongest town read atm and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna sheep the shit out of you in the future.
Now that I've ruffled your feathers, maybe you'll help me out a bit. Just so I know we are on the same page, you think iV is town now? I would concur with that analysis. Is it too early to ask for your opinion on anyone else who's posted so far? Humor me, I'm bored as shit and looking for some good convo.
On June 06 2013 16:10 Yavanna wrote:
nm, shoulda refreshed before I posted. whoops.
Word, if Xzav flips scum I will bow to him. lol
On June 06 2013 16:24 Yavanna wrote:
I'm sucking up to Xzav because he, so far, has impressed the balls off of me. When/if he drops the ball I'll make sure to be the first to catch it.
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