[M][N] Les Mafia

On May 17 2013 10:14 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah that deadline is terrible for me.

Any chance that gets changed?

If not I doubt I can play.

On May 17 2013 21:01 marvellosity wrote:
The time is basically way too early because it doesn't allow Americans to get stuck in before deadline.

On May 17 2013 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
no, because the deadline will be changed, I guarantee it.

On May 17 2013 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
no, because the deadline will be changed, I guarantee it.

On May 18 2013 03:07 iamperfection wrote:
alright im off to the gym you guys are boring me and bh is making me angry.

back in a few hours

On May 18 2013 03:25 marvellosity wrote:


How is he doing that, dear?

On May 18 2013 03:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:


You did not post it merely for people's convenience, you posted to specifically point out that you were always town.

On May 18 2013 03:31 marvellosity wrote:


Looks like typical iamp aggression to me, wouldn't you say?

On May 18 2013 03:37 marvellosity wrote:


Explain the difference then. I'm bored of how you're posting.

##Vote: BlazingHand

On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before.

On May 18 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:


I was just browsing filters and I found this hilarious. This is a totally useless post, but I really did find this hilarious.

On May 18 2013 06:28 marvellosity wrote:
Do you think I've been unfair in anything I've written about him so far?

On May 18 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:


I just saw you throw your newbie game because you were too much of a pussy to follow your instincts.

this does not translate to = scum want me gone early (you were left alive to lylo)

hopefully this doesn't sound like a massive putdown, but... um... yeah. I mean, maybe you're feared on mafiascum, but don't make claims about how you're feared here until you have a legitimate reason to think so.

On May 18 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:


you made it to lylo because mafia didn't deem you worth killing. I know this because I was coaching mafia.

At lylo, you said "i think dude B is mafia, but the dead townie thought dude A was mafia, so i'll vote for him". This was about 36 hours before the remaining townie voted for you.

Further, staying alive is not a success in mafia, it means you were too shit to kill.

Look, dude, I don't care where your ego is at or what you think, but don't bullshit in this game. MY game. I coached your last game and you were fucking easy meat because you were a coward. Argue it all you like but that's what it was.

when you're ready to use honesty, then comment on this game. Otherwise everything you say just feels like bullshitting. Don't type fucking bullshit like "mafia want me dead early" because no, from what I've seen, mafia very much want you alive.

Do we understand each other?

On May 18 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:


you lost. ggnore.

On May 18 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:


you've got a lot to learn. you were alive at a 2-1 lylo and you voted for a townie. I've never done that.

you specifically said in this thread "mafia like to kill me early". No, mafia love to leave you alive because at lylo you'll vote for townies.

You can rage at me all you like, but are you going to play the game, or talk about how awesome you are?

On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:


Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta?

Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now?

On May 18 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:


I'm SO very tempted to agree, but Vayne is 1/16 of the players here.

Vayne - I know you think s0listice's original meat claims were suspicious, what do you make of his subsequent explanations? Do you like them, do you feel they incriminate him more? Whichever way, why?

On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you?

On May 18 2013 07:20 marvellosity wrote:


it's not really worth talking about, but he doesn't realise that on TL we're skilled enough to find mafia day 1 fairly regularly :p

On May 18 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. btw people can semi-ignore me until tomorrow when I'm more sober, but my current thought is this:

vayne is probably town because he's constantly answered me in a pretty consistent manner. this isn't a certain read, but meh, maybe we should be looking somewhere else today. he seems to be saying some really weird shit that he genuinely believes in without being scared of it. yes?

On May 18 2013 07:46 marvellosity wrote:


yeah, i know you're a cunt, and i know you think i'm a cunt.

yet in personality 2, you got over your feelings and somehow protected me when we were both town.

so your explanation is insufficient.

try again.

On May 18 2013 07:43 marvellosity wrote:
my conclusion is that i'll vote you for being a troll, because despite your usual bullshit i know you like to try to win.

##unvote
'##vote: dandel ion

On May 18 2013 07:56 marvellosity wrote:


aren't you reading at all?

In personality, dandel specifically protected me as his protection target, which he had to protect ONE OF, all game long, because he was certain i was town.

i was fucking useless in personality. it's my worst game by far. and yet a town dandel protected me becuase he was sure i was town.

dandel does not "troll as either alignment"

the fact you're saying this shows a remarkable lack of understanding of how dandel plays.

On May 18 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:


because you have at least a basic understanding of how to read me, as witnessed in personality when you read me as town early, yet you antaogonise me here. thanks.

On May 18 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote:


Right, so we have a couple of really, really basic facts:

1) i was shit in personality, dandel decided to protect me really really early because he was sure i was town
2) see 1
3) again, have you seen how shit i am when under pressure? (LVIII - modkill) is the best example
4) maybe i occasionally throw games as town, but again, my recent record is literally 87.5% as town. I'm fucking pulling this record in.

On May 18 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:



please find those games, that would be appreciated.

On May 18 2013 08:23 marvellosity wrote:


when did you find me scum in red team? i don't remember that at all. magic i'm discarding because you were with acro, but if you genuininly thought so in red team, that kinda makes a difference.

On November 21 2012 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:
So I'm dropping a made meta read on Iamp for his scum play in GSL Mini III and his town play in Liquid City.

Iamperfections' meta as scum is lurking and big gaps between small posts, besides defending himself. As Town he tends to flood with smaller posts but he's always in the thread and interacting with people. Bearing in mind GSL Mini III is an unusually extreme version of Iamperf's meta, it's still indicative-- in fact, Hapa catches him as scum that game based on meta with extreme ease (link).

In this game Iamperfection is doing his typical "bury them in a mountain of posts!" style town play. He has periods of 2-3 hours where he'll post like 10 times, then he'll go away for ~8 hours then come back and do the same. This is how he plays as town.

n terms of associative tells, he interacts with Hapa in a natural way that doesn't seem like they're scum together. I also like this read he makes on kickstart early on (link) that as scum he wouldn't want to. His suspicions of Hapa (link) tie in well with his willingness to last-minute votehop (link).

Although he does defend crossfire here (link) I view that as more a point in his favor than against him, as Crossfire was a liability for the scumteam and was inevitably gonna be lynched. In particular his interaction with marv here (link) and his attempts to get crossfire to play the damn game here (link) and here (link) make it seem like he really genuinely think crossfire is town.

Basically I don't see scum making a post like this: (link) or like this: (link). This is all consistent with a legitimate town-read on cross, which, given the scenario, is a bad move as scum. Cross WAS going to flip eventually and bussing him was optimal scum play.

On May 18 2013 08:37 marvellosity wrote:
blazing, i kinda feel ok about a Jarjar vote instead. how does that feel?

On May 18 2013 08:37 iamperfection wrote:
blazinghand does have a point about jar jar he looks kind of tera bad

On May 18 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
Let's put it this way Blazing. Stutters is always a useless pile of shit. literally always.

i've seen you in recent games say "if you can't support this case with meta, your case sucks".

can you?

On May 18 2013 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:


does he really claim town as towna nd not claim town as scum

On May 18 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote:


yes. 100%

On May 18 2013 08:56 marvellosity wrote:


mafia is always a concern.

plus, he spoke to me as mason in LIX, which gives me some kinda insight (hopefully)

On May 18 2013 17:39 yamato77 wrote:

I don't feel like scum Marv would claim being drunk just to act like an idiot in the thread.

On May 18 2013 18:13 marvellosity wrote:


fuck off, yamato. you little twat.

On May 18 2013 18:23 marvellosity wrote:


yeah, if you quit posting things like a twat, sure.

You basically insult my play before making a case on the same conclusion on BH's pursuit of iamp that I'd already made.

It's rude and I don't like it. you can't say i'm playing like shit (I am not playing like shit) and then steal my case. Now, I don't care that you stole and expanded my case, that's great and all, but it does seem rather ridiculous.

On May 18 2013 19:16 marvellosity wrote:

Secondly, JJD. I don't like him being excused for being in 'big boy' games. In his newbie games, he was *significantly* lurkier as mafia. He was mafia in the game I hosted, and he spent lots of time posting in the scumQT, and no time posting in the thread. As town he's much more forthcoming. I think he's a pretty decent lynch right now.

[b]

On May 19 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:


Spicy is probably town because basically he had a ready made case on s0lstice that he'd already written, but then decided to finish it off by telling us his posting had improved and he doesn't think he's mafia. Would have been so much easier just to go on and vote s0lstice at that stage (unless they're mafia together)

On May 19 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne, i do not think your case is good. At all.
One point why you call him suspicious: Suspicious. sums up the thread (completely useless) and then says he will just be waiting to see what happens, probably so he can drop a vote on the bandwagon late at night. A pretty mediocre read, so ill just keep an eye on him for now.

Can you see what you are doing?

On May 19 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:


vayne, can you explain this better to me please?

you've played twice on this forum before this game, where both times there was a lynch day 1, and there was no question of a no-lynch.

why are you so surprised about our eagerness to lynch on day 1 given your experiences on this forum so far?

On May 19 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Wave - I hosted goodkarma's first (I think?) newbie game, number 24.

In this game, in the first 2 days, town had massive problems with consolidation, despite it being plurality lynch. Votes were spread all over the place. Only on day 3 did GK understand the value of consolidation (even in plurality). So that point doesn't ring true to me, just because I know goodkarma was taught a serious lesson about consolidation. You can go read his filter from there, or perhaps you could read my post-game analysis there where I touch on the same things.

9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though

On May 19 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
the point is this, rayn.

Dying does nothing to validate your reads. It just makes us think you were retarded as town, not as mafia.

On May 19 2013 22:20 iamperfection wrote:

There is a difference between claiming mason and jk. I don't know if I believe bh

On May 19 2013 12:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:

I've said that I cant really be that active on the weekends. I don't know how that means my "posts contain a lot of excuses"

And like, you're saying that I've yet to defend myself properly. Well the only real case against me is that I've been lurking. Anything I can say to defend myself I'm sure is gonna sound like more excuses to you. Is there something specific that you or someone is accusing me of that I should post a defense for?

On May 20 2013 01:25 DarthPunk wrote:


I coached your scum game. Marv hosted it. I think we know what we are talking about. any quit with the excuses and make a case on someone that isn't blazinghand.

On May 20 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
So what do you make of BH's claim?

Who do you want to kill today if not BH?

On May 20 2013 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like is spicy actually liable to get lynched today based on this last minute pressure?

On May 20 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck you all if sputnik is town..

On May 20 2013 05:48 marvellosity wrote:


i thought you hated lynching lurkers.

I mean i love lynching lurkers, but you hate it, no?

On May 20 2013 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:


good point but this sputnik lynch is bullshit, its exactly what I said to watch out for earlier. A massive bandwagon at the last second.

On May 20 2013 06:28 iamperfection wrote:

lol why is it only possible for them to be both town or both scum

On May 20 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:


Sorry, what? Why can't BH be town and me mafia, or BH mafia and me town?

On May 20 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:


Sorry, what? Why can't BH be town and me mafia, or BH mafia and me town?

On May 20 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:


Why are you assuming things about mechanics?

On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.

Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't.

On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:


explain?

On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:


Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other.

What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him.

What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him.

On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote:
but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum

On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:


No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else"

because he panicked. same for both alignments.

On May 20 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:


Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative.

People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying.

On May 20 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote:


You're attributing a level of foresight and thought to someone who panic-claimed. see the issue? If you're panicking and roleclaiming when it absolutely isn't even necessary, it's highly unlikely you're thinking "if i do this, i'll have to mason marv night 1 and talk to him there and it'll be really difficult". Because if he was capable of making that logical train of thought in that moment he wouldn't have been claiming at all (as either alignment!)

But after all, i do not think BH would claim when he did if he was mafia and you were town.

On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:


Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread.