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On May 20 2013 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote: No blue thats not too bad. can we fucking lynch GK and dandel now? If you are a vigi, shoot DI or GK. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:08 Blazinghand wrote: ST flipping town doesn't make me think GK is scummier than i thought 5 minutes ago wtf do you mean by this? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:12 Blazinghand wrote: you're like "herp derp ST is town let's lynch GK now" but i don't see why that makes GK scum. he was a bad lynch 5 minutes ago, he's a bad lynch now. I never said i thought sputnik was scum. Before GK made more shitty posts i was all about to vote for DI/sputnik. You all ignored GK's shitty meta "cases" that were based on crap. Can you comment on what i asked him (the things that he just ignored)? | ||
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marv, please post the mason logs before N1 ends. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:28 iamperfection wrote: lol why is it only possible for them to be both town or both scum I never said this makes marv town, why do you think so? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote: Sorry, what? Why can't BH be town and me mafia, or BH mafia and me town? Do you really think the bolded part is possible? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote: if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia. Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. | ||
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Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote: Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote: but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum You mean DI? I know why, because GK is scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote: No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else" because he panicked. same for both alignments. Yes but if he panicked as scum he would not claim mason if you were town. He would do something else. There is literally no reason (if he thought he, or other scum was gonna get lynched on D1) to make the game harder for your team. Just accept your fate and hope you play better next time. Damn you marv, you are supposed to be good at this shit, why are you so bad now? | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: That's a terrible reason, sputnik was lynched with or without Dandel's vote. That was not clear 12min before the deadline. I was arguing for GK lynch. Who is to say people won't last minute bandwagon as BH pointed out? | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote: Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative. People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying. Blarf... What are you doing. First you say "BH panicked". Now you say "bussing a scumbuddy is no good alternative". If BH panicked, he thought he was gonna get lynched right? BH is supposed to be a good scum player right? Why is bussing not a good alternative? | ||
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Try to look at this from his perspective. If he is scum, he clearly panicked and claimed his role because he thought he was gonna get lynched (as otherwise there is no reason to claim). He knows he needs to mason you on N1. That is a big big nono if you are town (which BH would know if he is scum and you town) as you might be able to catch not one, but more scum on that phase. Why the fuck would BH claim mason if he is mafia and you are town? You say people do not call him a good scum player, even more reasons to not get in a one phase debate with you dontcha think? | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I've been dragged into this where it looks like I'm accusing BH of being mafia, which is not what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying that BH could plausibly have done what he did as either alignment. Me too. It's just that you asked me to explain. And i don't know why the fuck iamp thinks i think you both need to be town or mafia, as i never said so.. | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote: You're attributing a level of foresight and thought to someone who panic-claimed. see the issue? If you're panicking and roleclaiming when it absolutely isn't even necessary, it's highly unlikely you're thinking "if i do this, i'll have to mason marv night 1 and talk to him there and it'll be really difficult". Because if he was capable of making that logical train of thought in that moment he wouldn't have been claiming at all (as either alignment!) And we come back to my original argument: 1) BH is town and you are town - makes sense, townies do dumb stuff/posts/claims more likely than mafia 2) BH is town and you are mafia - makes sense as above 3) BH is mafia and you are mafia - brilliant scum play, and btw, you need to post the mason logs before N1 ends 4) BH is mafia and you are town - mafia has time to think about their actions. claiming is an action that is well-thought out, at least if you are not a complete newb. Who is to say BH (if mafia) did not think about what he is doing before doing so? I see this #4 scenario is impossible, because he is hurting his team with his action. | ||
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