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When I look at BH, there are a few different things worth talking about, and all of it makes him look particularly bad:
On May 18 2013 02:44 Blazinghand wrote:
##vote iamperfection
On May 18 2013 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:25 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:07 iamperfection wrote:
alright im off to the gym you guys are boring me and bh is making me angry.
back in a few hours how am i making you angry when you're the one shitting up the thread How is he doing that, dear? flaming Looks like typical iamp aggression to me, wouldn't you say? nope Explain the difference then. I'm bored of how you're posting. ##Vote: BlazingHand i wouldn't say because i don't know his meta. he's posting like dick, i vote him, he ragequits thread. are you voting me because of other factors here or just cause you're mad or do you think i'm scum
On May 18 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 08:29 iamperfection wrote:so you dont remember this? On November 21 2012 08:08 Blazinghand wrote:So I'm dropping a made meta read on Iamp for his scum play in GSL Mini III and his town play in Liquid City. Iamperfections' meta as scum is lurking and big gaps between small posts, besides defending himself. As Town he tends to flood with smaller posts but he's always in the thread and interacting with people. Bearing in mind GSL Mini III is an unusually extreme version of Iamperf's meta, it's still indicative-- in fact, Hapa catches him as scum that game based on meta with extreme ease (link). In this game Iamperfection is doing his typical "bury them in a mountain of posts!" style town play. He has periods of 2-3 hours where he'll post like 10 times, then he'll go away for ~8 hours then come back and do the same. This is how he plays as town. n terms of associative tells, he interacts with Hapa in a natural way that doesn't seem like they're scum together. I also like this read he makes on kickstart early on (link) that as scum he wouldn't want to. His suspicions of Hapa (link) tie in well with his willingness to last-minute votehop (link). Although he does defend crossfire here (link) I view that as more a point in his favor than against him, as Crossfire was a liability for the scumteam and was inevitably gonna be lynched. In particular his interaction with marv here (link) and his attempts to get crossfire to play the damn game here (link) and here (link) make it seem like he really genuinely think crossfire is town. Basically I don't see scum making a post like this: (link) or like this: (link). This is all consistent with a legitimate town-read on cross, which, given the scenario, is a bad move as scum. Cross WAS going to flip eventually and bussing him was optimal scum play. I'm liking this a lot. Just sayin' having read that, I now remember it! It didn't come to mind previously though. "I'm fox!" lolololololol
Within those 3 quotes is the story of BH's terrible entrance to this thread. Coming in and (seriously) voting someone in the first few pages is always troublesome, but this looks terribly like a BH caught in a bad play. If one doesn't mind listening to a voice game, this is highly reminiscent of his play as mafia in SSB64. After refusing to claim his role on D2, Ange comes out with a rolecheck on him and he just goes "Yep, I'm fox!" (hence my quote) and tries to act like nothing happened.
Equate that to this game, where he's called iamp scum, backed it up by saying he doesn't know his meta, and was then proven explicitly wrong in the thread. His reaction is priceless. I could lynch him based off this alone, but there's more.
On May 18 2013 03:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:35 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:25 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 03:21 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 03:07 iamperfection wrote:
alright im off to the gym you guys are boring me and bh is making me angry.
back in a few hours how am i making you angry when you're the one shitting up the thread How is he doing that, dear? flaming Looks like typical iamp aggression to me, wouldn't you say? nope Explain the difference then. I'm bored of how you're posting. ##Vote: BlazingHand i wouldn't say because i don't know his meta. he's posting like dick, i vote him, he ragequits thread. are you voting me because of other factors here or just cause you're mad or do you think i'm scum I think you're posting like a douchebag, and usually when you post like a douchebag (say, The Game) you're mafia, and when you give me warm fuzzy feelings you're town. Currently I'm feeling the douchebag washing over me. You've also played with iamperfection multiple times (just off the top of my head, Rock Band, and Themed Game) so your excuse about not knowing his meta is extraordinarily bad. None of this makes any sense. I always post like a douchebag, and if you're going to bring up The Game as an example of me posting like a douchebag as a supporting meta read, show me not doing this in games where i'm town etc etc like if it's something i literally always do you can't say "hey look BH did this in this one game" and claim it's a legit meta read of course you know all this don't you ##unvote
##vote marvellosity
On May 18 2013 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
just to be totally clear, Marv's so-called scum read on me is crap. Hus substantiating evidence is non evidence and he would never try to pull something like this as town. I am a generally abrasive player and his choice to vote me because of a few highly typical posts is based mostly on the fact that he knows I am in three n games and hosting one. he thinks u won't be able to defend myself or see through him.
he is wrong.
His argument with Marv boils down to, "I'm always a douchebag, so you saying I'm mafia for being a douchebag means that you're mafia!" It seems defensive rather than an honest accusation. He wants to make Marv look bad, but only so it makes people less likely to think BH mafia than to actually think Marv is mafia.
It's worth noting that this is an argument that spawns over Marv calling BH out on that shitty iamp read, and as I said:
On May 18 2013 06:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
yamato, tell me what you think of BH so far. Is his pursuit of iamp legit? Is his calling me scum legit? Is his jump on to vayne legit?
All these questions sound pretty loaded, but actually I just want to know what you think. ta. I'm fairly suspicious of BH. I don't really agree with anything he's said this game so far, and if I learned anything from the voice games we played, it's that scum BH has shit reads.
On May 18 2013 05:33 Blazinghand wrote:
vayne u r wrong son wrong itnia rididickkuois
On May 18 2013 05:35 Blazinghand wrote:
info comes from town taking stances on things that matter ie voting and scum trying and failing to imitate
On May 18 2013 05:50 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 18 2013 05:35 Blazinghand wrote:
info comes from town taking stances on things that matter ie voting and scum trying and failing to imitate What info do we get based on gut feelings? oh thats right astrology readings. I will be sticking to my game of logic and not letting emotions get the best of me. If somebody scumslips day 1 I will be watching intently, but besides that im not gonna bandwagon some poor sap just because a "vet" deems him scum ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthority
On May 18 2013 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:
If 1 is "barely lynchworthy" and 10 is "mod has stated he is scum in thread" I'd put him at about a 6. I'm highly willing to lynch Vayne because he's trying really hard not to do anything, to opt out of the town discourse. It's not that his suggestion to no-lynch is bad per se (though it is) it's his idea that this is a cart blanche to give no reads and to play like he is.
On May 18 2013 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 18 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 18 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 06:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
lol you havent played in a game with me yet so ill fill you in. I always garner massive day 1 attention because my "shitty" analysis is pretty accurate. Scum want me gone early. There's no WIFOM when were talking a difference in playstyles here. I was just browsing filters and I found this hilarious. This is a totally useless post, but I really did find this hilarious. whats the joke so that I may appease to your funny bone more easily chap? I just saw you throw your newbie game because you were too much of a pussy to follow your instincts. this does not translate to = scum want me gone early (you were left alive to lylo) hopefully this doesn't sound like a massive putdown, but... um... yeah. I mean, maybe you're feared on mafiascum, but don't make claims about how you're feared here until you have a legitimate reason to think so. I threw the game? The other townie came in and voted at the last second for me. Why the fuck would it have mattered? I made it to lylo because I played my part as town perfectly, suspicious enough to stay alive and not bad enough to get lynched. god is that really your idea of how town plays optimally :| ##unvote
BH's pursuit of Vayne feels like he's voting him based on policy more than anything. He votes him before engaging him in any sort of real discussion, as I intended to do when I called him out. He backs off once it becomes apparent to most of the thread that Vayne honestly believes what he's posting, and that was always the problem with the idea of lynching Vayne in the first place: pro-mafia does not mean ACTUALLY mafia.
He also spends a signficant portion of his filter discussing with Vayne, both before and after unvoting him. The entire interaction smells. I find it hard to believe town BH would play like this, but scum BH, as I said before, has shit reads.
On May 18 2013 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:So I'm not sure what to make of Marv's raging. He's done it before as town but he is a sly fox and I wouldn't put it past him to fake it as scum. That being said I think his decision to not be as mad any more is a reasonable move. I don't want to lynch him today, he's too useful/valuable in general and scum will shot him anyways if he's town. I have two scumreads right now I want to look into. 2) JarJar. He's off the radar, not posting, active lurker. Don't like it. If he were straight up not posting, that's one thing. IT's another to come in and kinda waffle suspicion at someone then dip out. Not acceptable. 1) Stutters. His inconsistency on meta (link)( has been well-documented by GK. the really damning thing the thing that makes me think scum is this: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)? as things were leading into a potential VA lynch stutters basically tries to soft attack VA and deflect responsibility. I eventually realized that VA's BS was not alignment-indicative, but at the time it looked like i was gonna go HAM on VA. Stutters vulture-like opportunism here smacks of scum looking to get on an easy wagon. Stutters is scum, and I am voting him. So should you. ##unvote
##vote stutters695
On May 18 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
Let's put it this way Blazing. Stutters is always a useless pile of shit. literally always.
i've seen you in recent games say "if you can't support this case with meta, your case sucks".
can you? if he's a kushm4sta, then my case on him isn't valid. I'll go dive some meta then.
Stutters read is also obviously shit. This is like, the third time he's made a terrible case on someone for lynching them. As Marv said, this is highly unimpressive.
On May 18 2013 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:
jarjar is actively lurking. with my stutters case defanged he is my only scumread. I vote him. you should also
##unvote
##vote jarjardrinks
His case on jarjar is that he's an "activing lurking". Yeah, no. Not impressive.
I haven't liked a single thing BH has said so far. He's my best scum read in the game, and if I lead the lynch today, I'm leading it to him.
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On May 18 2013 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:OK grush is scum. Every town game of his since August 2012 he has said starsenses at the beginning of the game and flipped town. When Confronted on not doing it he says some variation of this. From LVIIShow nested quote +On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES. From DessertShow nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:52 grush57 wrote:On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.
Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.
For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.
Super, are you town?
Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?
Jay, what's your read of zentor?
Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.
You're right, I forgot. STARSENSES Every. Single. Game. Starsenses at the start. See for yourselves August 2012 PTP 3 LVIIOctober 2012LVIIIDecember 2012Hero MiniJanuary 2013Dessert MiniLIXFebruary 2013Fruity MafiaLXMarch 2013LXIMay 2013Carnival CruiseLynch grush because STARSENSES
##Vote: Grush57
I don't feel good about lynching grush just because of STSRSENSES. Would he really ruin all of his future town games just to survive past day 1 in this game?
Idk. He is objectively scummy, as per his insistence on voting Vayne despite thread sentiment, and his obviously bad OMGUS vote. I have very mixed feelings about grush.
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Maybe he just didn't want to have to use it this game?
If we ignore STARSENSES altogether, I would feel better about lynching him. There are plenty of bad posts in his filter.
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I can see where you're coming from, I suppose.
If there's no better lynch when I look at the game tomorrow, I would be fine lynching him.
What do you think about Marv?
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I feel the strongest point in the BH case is his read of iamp. It's lazy, and demonstrably false. Everything else is mainly "well this doesn't make me think him town, so if I ignore it, the only evidence I see makes him scum."
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Yeah, when I was reading that part of his filter, I was feeling a bit suspicious of him. What do you make of him claiming he was drunk? Do you think that's a possible explanation for his erratic play?
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On May 18 2013 17:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, when I was reading that part of his filter, I was feeling a bit suspicious of him. What do you make of him claiming he was drunk? Do you think that's a possible explanation for his erratic play? I already posted about that previously. Shit like that makes me suspicious because you are already trying to absolve yourself of responsibility from the things you say whilst you are saying them. Why bother saying anything at all then?
I don't feel like scum Marv would claim being drunk just to act like an idiot in the thread.
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On May 18 2013 17:43 DarthPunk wrote:
I really have no fucking clue how WoS has a town read on grush. Care to explain it?
I think he's just trying to argue with one of us for no good reason and look like he's taking stances.
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It could be that grush is town and WoS is scum trying to gain towncred for "being right" about grush.
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On May 18 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 18:01 yamato77 wrote:
It could be that grush is town and WoS is scum trying to gain towncred for "being right" about grush. although this is possible, it's not a super reasonable and useful thing to draw associative tells between unflipped players. this is why the important thing isn't who makes cases on who, but the mindset and reasoning behind said cases. Currently WoS's defense of grush is unsubstantiated, and because we can't see a town mindset from which this defense would arise, what this means associatively is not relevant until a flip has taken place.
Well his mindset seems to be to use his townread of grush to make people look bad, no?
Kinda fits with how I see his posting. It certainly doesn't look like scum WoS defending scum Grush.
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On May 18 2013 18:12 marvellosity wrote:You don't get to make statements like this. In LXI you called Giggles "obviously" or "blatantly" town. He flipped mafia. You have to explain yourself.
Because he's tried harder this game to make his reads than you have?
I think anyone reading the thread can see GK is obviously putting in effort. I misremembered gigyas' efforts in LXI. After I died, I looked at his filter and realized he really wasn't trying all that hard. It was all a product of a terrible tunnel I was in.
Do I seem to be tunneling this game, Marv? You can fuck off with your comments about my play. Unless you think GK is scum, you have no reasoning to question me.
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On May 18 2013 18:14 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote:On May 18 2013 18:01 yamato77 wrote:
It could be that grush is town and WoS is scum trying to gain towncred for "being right" about grush. although this is possible, it's not a super reasonable and useful thing to draw associative tells between unflipped players. this is why the important thing isn't who makes cases on who, but the mindset and reasoning behind said cases. Currently WoS's defense of grush is unsubstantiated, and because we can't see a town mindset from which this defense would arise, what this means associatively is not relevant until a flip has taken place. Well his mindset seems to be to use his townread of grush to make people look bad, no? Kinda fits with how I see his posting. It certainly doesn't look like scum WoS defending scum Grush. I don't view this as a productive way to think about it. I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players because I haven't seen it end well. Specifically regarding WoS: I could lynch WoS just for this post because of how far he is reaching. But my reads this game aren't as Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? this post is like bad and scummy in every way. Whatever you want to say about GK, the fact that he was the first person to question the VA wagon doesn't make him scum.
I can get behind that analysis. I'm not drawing conclusions about grush's alignment necessarily, but I do think it seems more likely that his read of grush comes from a scum mindset, regardless of grush's alignment.
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On May 18 2013 18:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 16:28 yamato77 wrote:
I really hate reading Marv's filter.
So much of it is devoted to being a complete dick, it's hard to discern his true alignment. I like his pursuit of BH, but he hasn't had the balls to stick to it for any lengthy amount of time. His fight with Dandel was completely stupid, based off of ass reasoning, and ultimately went nowhere. Other than that, he seems overly preoccupied with how people perceive how he's playing so far and rather sheepish in his most recent voting.
Maybe we're seeing Marv from Personality rear his ugly head again, but I feel like he's playing like shit. I don't think scum Marv would play this way, however, so I guess he's town. I really don't like that this is the case. fuck off, yamato. you little twat.
Look, I don't think you're scum, so we can quit with the being angry shtick.
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I think we can all agree on lynching WoS, no?
I'm less suspicious of BH at the moment, and we all seem to have the same problems with WoS' play. Feels like a good lynch.
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On May 18 2013 18:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 18:19 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 18:13 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 16:28 yamato77 wrote:
I really hate reading Marv's filter.
So much of it is devoted to being a complete dick, it's hard to discern his true alignment. I like his pursuit of BH, but he hasn't had the balls to stick to it for any lengthy amount of time. His fight with Dandel was completely stupid, based off of ass reasoning, and ultimately went nowhere. Other than that, he seems overly preoccupied with how people perceive how he's playing so far and rather sheepish in his most recent voting.
Maybe we're seeing Marv from Personality rear his ugly head again, but I feel like he's playing like shit. I don't think scum Marv would play this way, however, so I guess he's town. I really don't like that this is the case. fuck off, yamato. you little twat. Look, I don't think you're scum, so we can quit with the being angry shtick. yeah, if you quit posting things like a twat, sure. You basically insult my play before making a case on the same conclusion on BH's pursuit of iamp that I'd already made. It's rude and I don't like it. you can't say i'm playing like shit (I am not playing like shit) and then steal my case. Now, I don't care that you stole and expanded my case, that's great and all, but it does seem rather ridiculous.
I already told you your case was good before. My problems with your play was your unwarranted aggression and erratic play once Dandel entered the thread. It was difficult to read. I apologize for bruising your ego, but I have to read your posts to discern your alignment, you know.
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On May 18 2013 20:35 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 18:14 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 18:12 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:
GK is obviously town.
You don't get to make statements like this. In LXI you called Giggles "obviously" or "blatantly" town. He flipped mafia. You have to explain yourself. Because he's tried harder this game to make his reads than you have? I think anyone reading the thread can see GK is obviously putting in effort. I misremembered gigyas' efforts in LXI. After I died, I looked at his filter and realized he really wasn't trying all that hard. It was all a product of a terrible tunnel I was in. [flaming] Actually, no. I see him trying to find out which lurker he can push. Explain your townread better.
No.
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So I took the liberty of looking up GK's meta, just for everyone's convenience.
The Game
LVII
I'm not sure which one he looks more like this game. If I had to pick out some tells, it would be that town GK seems to keep track of multiple scum reads throughout the game, where mafia GK seems to waste a lot of his posts discussing things other than reads. Mafia GK also seems concerned with how others perceive him, to a fault. It's also worth noting that mafia GK focused on "the lurkers" and had no problem following thread sentiment when lynching on day one, even if it was his mafia buddy.
So yeah, you guys can make more sense of this. I'm inclined to think he's town through sheer scumhunt effort so far, especially in comparison to many of the lurkers we have this game. I am much more confident lynching WoS, and I will talk about why in a couple hours. I need to eat.
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Funny enough, I mixed up GK with Phagga before. He reminds me a lot of phagga. I thought I had played with him before.
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I don't see anything in GK's filter that makes him scum.
Marv, you said you don't like a WoS lynch anymore, why?
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On May 19 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 07:01 yamato77 wrote:
I don't see anything in GK's filter that makes him scum.
Marv, you said you don't like a WoS lynch anymore, why? he seems active and involved, and he doesn't look that different to any of his other games.
It looks to me like he's just searching for the best town-created wagon to sheep, no?
Honestly, all meta aside, there is almost no difference between GK and WoS except the tone of their posting, and GK seems more inquisitive and insightful versus WoS' aggressiveness and decisiveness.
WoS may be here, posting, but I have yet to see what I expect from WoS, which is actual personal insight into the game versus parroting what people are already saying about players.
I mean, do you think GK is scum? I'm on the fence, to be honest. It's hard to tell whether he seems more like his town game or his scum game.
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