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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 17 2013 13:06 GMT
#614
Also, not gonna vote Oats for now. If all you guys have going is that he sent in the directions wrong and the hosts allow it, there is no way I'm voting him. I just skimmed his filter again for behaviour towards Vivax. He voted him when Vivax started the setup talk and never moved his vote, also he could have easily hopped on the deconduo bandwagon later on. And while i know that some people buss quite recklessly, his specific vote behaviour does not make much sense to me if he scum.

The whole movement thing could be a host error, not voting Oats for that.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 17 2013 15:35 GMT
#631
On May 18 2013 00:29 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning everyone, glad to see I was wrong about Vivax.

I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind?

On the board I am most certainly L, all I did was an about face, didn't figure anyone else would do anything similar, and I didn't want to potentially move myself into a worse position by blindly moving. (about 70-30 chance of picking the right direction versus not)

It seems to me that the optimal movement for town is as follows: Form into large groups as quickly as possible, and gather up stragglers as we move around the board. The trick here, is that once we are into a group, we do not want our specific move patterns known. It's been revealed to us through Vivax's PM that the angels have a "leap" mechanic, where they match a players movement within a certain range. We can use this to our advantage in the following way: Once we are in groups of 3-4 people, the group will set a direction of up to 3 spaces. The players in the group will all keep their moves hidden but will do their best to follow the assigned direction and distance. (optimal distance is probably 1 or 2) The people on the outside of the group always move inwards, and the people on the insides always move outwards. I believe this would make the leaps ineffective in the clutter because of bodyblocking. It also means if an angel does get inside the group, we can pretty much guarantee at least someone will have their flashlight on the angel, after that it's just coordination.

[green]If an angel encounters an obstacle, say a town character, that is not their intended target during a leap what will happen?
If a player ends the night beside an Angel, does that Angel feed automatically, or does the Angel have to specify the target in advance and then get close to them?
[green]

##Vote: Oatsmaster


The host wifom has made me leery of the Oatsmaster wagon. I think your paragraph 2 makes sense, though.


Can you expound on the bolded part?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 17 2013 15:57 GMT
#635
ghost_403, you never answered Sentinels question:

On May 16 2013 10:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Time for some thoughts on Ghost's recent post.

Show nested quote +
I chimed in my two cents, and then I was off to scum hunt. Unfortunately, it seems that no one is around whenever I'm here.


I find a bunch of problems with this alone. Being alone while scumhunting makes my mafiadick hard. It means I can focus on what's already present in the thread with a clear mind, without having to worry about changing conditions. A lot of my reasoning goes out the window when the thread updates. I don't know why you'd have a problem with it and resort to lurking.

Show nested quote +
I'm not happy with Vivax's play, but I'm never happy with Vivax's play.

Show nested quote +
Sentinel's play has been bad this game as well, but IIRC, I always think that.


Explain me why you vote for Vivax and not myself. That's a shitty vote to throw around.

Game plan for myself is to organize my thoughts because that's what I'm lacking right now. I'm going to draft up another spreadsheet to consolidate my reads tomorrow and then start making calls from that.


Please explain.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 17 2013 16:00 GMT
#636
On May 18 2013 00:56 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 00:35 phagga wrote:
On May 18 2013 00:29 fferyllt wrote:
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning everyone, glad to see I was wrong about Vivax.

I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind?

On the board I am most certainly L, all I did was an about face, didn't figure anyone else would do anything similar, and I didn't want to potentially move myself into a worse position by blindly moving. (about 70-30 chance of picking the right direction versus not)

It seems to me that the optimal movement for town is as follows: Form into large groups as quickly as possible, and gather up stragglers as we move around the board. The trick here, is that once we are into a group, we do not want our specific move patterns known. It's been revealed to us through Vivax's PM that the angels have a "leap" mechanic, where they match a players movement within a certain range. We can use this to our advantage in the following way: Once we are in groups of 3-4 people, the group will set a direction of up to 3 spaces. The players in the group will all keep their moves hidden but will do their best to follow the assigned direction and distance. (optimal distance is probably 1 or 2) The people on the outside of the group always move inwards, and the people on the insides always move outwards. I believe this would make the leaps ineffective in the clutter because of bodyblocking. It also means if an angel does get inside the group, we can pretty much guarantee at least someone will have their flashlight on the angel, after that it's just coordination.

[green]If an angel encounters an obstacle, say a town character, that is not their intended target during a leap what will happen?
If a player ends the night beside an Angel, does that Angel feed automatically, or does the Angel have to specify the target in advance and then get close to them?
[green]

##Vote: Oatsmaster


The host wifom has made me leery of the Oatsmaster wagon. I think your paragraph 2 makes sense, though.


Can you expound on the bolded part?

I'm talking about the questions swirling over whether the host would accept and process a messed up move depending on the alignment of the player, and the fact that at least some of the votes on that wagon appear to be predicated on an answer of "yes, they would if the player were an Angel".


Ok, I understand that I asked the question wrong, because that's not what I wanted to know.

Is there anyone specific on the Oats wagon that you are leery of?

Also, quite generally, who would you like to lynch currently? Who looks like scum to you and why?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 17 2013 20:42 GMT
#641
On May 18 2013 00:25 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 23:31 Zephirdd wrote:
I want to see everyone's reaction to this oats thing.

@phagga
on the counterside, Sharranth talked a lot about Vivax but only defending him. Like, defending hard. I think I made an earlier post about that, before the whole "slip" thing.

@Oatsmaster
if you're town, don't feel demotivated. You are not dead yet and we can still let you live no problem. Use this moment to your advantage, and pressure people who you think are scum.

good morning.

Sharrant is weirder and weirder(need more posts from him); fferyllt looks better than at day 1; ghost had a cool post on sharranth; sentinel and deconduo are pretty set on what they are doing; blazinghand loves saying I'm town; mkfuba asked a nice question but he seems lurky; phagga is greenpeace

yet to comment on oatsmaster thing: fferyllt, sharrath

If you are town remember that the day is not over

Your observation about me looks like bullshit.

Zephirdd, can you please explain why you think fferyllt looks better than on D1?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 17 2013 21:34 GMT
#642
Ok, I'm too tired to come up with a superduper analysis on ghost_403 (or anyone else for that matter), so let's keep this short.

Besides talking setup, he makes one half-assed analysis post on vivax and sentinel, then votes vivax without explaining why he actually prefers him over Sentinel. His vote stays there, he goes missing until after the deadline and then congratulates himself for voting scum.

D2, some town reads and one analysis on Sharrant. Now, that analysis is actually ok, and helps looking over the fact that ghost does not look very townie at all for everything else. So, for now, he gets a pass because he made a decent analysis on the guy that I'm instead going to vote.

I also read Zephirdd's case on Sharrant and then took the time to take a look at Sharrant's filter in another game. What stands out is that he is actively asking questions there, trying to interact with people, which is all stuff I'm missing in this game. combined with what Zephirdd and ghost brought up, I'm gonna vote Sharrant.

##Vote: Sharrant

I really hope to get some more content of ghost_403 and fferyllt.

Weekend is here, and with this my activity will drop as always. I will try keep up with the thread trough the day, and I should be posting again before the deadline (although no promises, Switzerland is playing USA in the semi-finals tomorrow on the Ice Hockey World Championships, I might get drunk, specially when Switzerland is winning or losing).
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 18 2013 13:50 GMT
#676
This role doesnt make sense. Angels know our position, so when they see you right next to them, they just feed on you and town is non the wiser (except when you claim, which makes you their target immediay for normal kp)
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 18 2013 13:54 GMT
#677
Oh wait, it makes sense. You can confirm townies. Nevermind.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 18 2013 19:16 GMT
#739
hai guis

On May 17 2013 02:02 fferyllt wrote:
I'm seriously considering sheeping you, marvellosity. Want to reread some thread sections first, though.


On May 18 2013 03:20 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 01:00 phagga wrote:
On May 18 2013 00:56 fferyllt wrote:
On May 18 2013 00:35 phagga wrote:
On May 18 2013 00:29 fferyllt wrote:
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning everyone, glad to see I was wrong about Vivax.

I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind?

On the board I am most certainly L, all I did was an about face, didn't figure anyone else would do anything similar, and I didn't want to potentially move myself into a worse position by blindly moving. (about 70-30 chance of picking the right direction versus not)

It seems to me that the optimal movement for town is as follows: Form into large groups as quickly as possible, and gather up stragglers as we move around the board. The trick here, is that once we are into a group, we do not want our specific move patterns known. It's been revealed to us through Vivax's PM that the angels have a "leap" mechanic, where they match a players movement within a certain range. We can use this to our advantage in the following way: Once we are in groups of 3-4 people, the group will set a direction of up to 3 spaces. The players in the group will all keep their moves hidden but will do their best to follow the assigned direction and distance. (optimal distance is probably 1 or 2) The people on the outside of the group always move inwards, and the people on the insides always move outwards. I believe this would make the leaps ineffective in the clutter because of bodyblocking. It also means if an angel does get inside the group, we can pretty much guarantee at least someone will have their flashlight on the angel, after that it's just coordination.

[green]If an angel encounters an obstacle, say a town character, that is not their intended target during a leap what will happen?
If a player ends the night beside an Angel, does that Angel feed automatically, or does the Angel have to specify the target in advance and then get close to them?
[green]

##Vote: Oatsmaster


The host wifom has made me leery of the Oatsmaster wagon. I think your paragraph 2 makes sense, though.


Can you expound on the bolded part?

I'm talking about the questions swirling over whether the host would accept and process a messed up move depending on the alignment of the player, and the fact that at least some of the votes on that wagon appear to be predicated on an answer of "yes, they would if the player were an Angel".


Ok, I understand that I asked the question wrong, because that's not what I wanted to know.

Is there anyone specific on the Oats wagon that you are leery of?

Also, quite generally, who would you like to lynch currently? Who looks like scum to you and why?


Gut says Ghost is the most questionable on the Oats wagon. I need to find time to figure out what my gut is worried about. Zeph freaked my out when he said my sole day 2 post (pretty sure it was one post at that point, where I said which letter I think is mine) looked better than my day 1 body of work.

I want to dig some more before answering your last questions. Probably in an hour or so.



Besides the lack of stances, we have two occasions of promised content that never came.

I'm on the wagon of justice, let's do this.

##Unvote
##Vote: fferyllt


choo choo
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 18 2013 19:55 GMT
#744
On May 19 2013 04:18 deconduo wrote:
Also oats coming in and 'voting', then disappearing without registering a legitimate vote is suspicious as hell if ffer flips scum.

Oats has not voted at all, he risks getting warned or even modkilled. I doubt he made it on purpose.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 19 2013 23:00 GMT
#780
So I'm still slightly drunk after watching the Ice Hockey World Championship Final(Switzerland - Sweden, we lost ), but here are some thoughts and reads.

Zeph - Town

mkfuba - probably town, mainly because of his behaviour around the Vivax lynch. I wrote about it already, and confirmed town BH shares my opinion:

On May 18 2013 19:41 Blazinghand wrote:
mfkuba though I don't like, but I think he's legit for mainly for this post (link) in which he begins the post talking about lynching vivax, then notes that there's a deconduo mass-swap going on and swaps to deconduo to avoid no-lynching. When he sees we're swapping back to vivax, he goes back to avoid a no-lynch. I think the fact that he was planning to write a case against vivax then got caught up in the voteswapping is a sign of a town motive. F



---------- The Grubby Town line ----------

Sentinel - I just read through his filter, and he is super null to me. Guess I have to reread once I'm sober.

deconduo - I don't fully trust his claim yet, but I'm not willing to lynch him now. Noone has counterclaimed a DT-Type role, and for scum to fakeclaim such a role would have been highly dangerous with already one man down.

Oats - I was set on his towniness on D1, but his activity has dropped incredibly since being accused of a "scumslip", and later posts are often just bad. BH was convinced his scum, and sharrant was leaning scum on him too. I'm not willing to lynch him yet since I have a plan with movements in mind that involves him (see below), however, i am no longer as averse to a Oats lynch as I used to be.

ghost - My main posts on ghost are that he implied he can't hunt scum when noone is in the thread (which is stupid) and that he "feel[s] like a kid in the candy store." after the last minute shennies on D1, only to come out with one post on how sharrant is scum. It's one thing that he is not very active, but what's worse is that he does not make much with the time he has. This reads like stalling out of time, conveniently not talking about all topics that were up in the air. It sometimes feels as if he is playing a game by himself, barely interacting with others. As this does not reflect a town mindset, I'm fine with lynching him.

##vote: ghost_403



Movement Plan:

Decon and Oats are already close to each other, with the correct movements Sentinel and me can get to them as well. This is something that we should try to achieve IMO. I'd say ideally we make sure that we lit each other up (increased field of view), but don't get right next to each other (avoid kill through possible puppet) except for decon and Oats. What do you guys say about that?

"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 19:34 GMT
#813
ghost, you still here?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 19:37 GMT
#814
is ANYBODY here?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 19:43 GMT
#816
What are your reasons to vote ghost?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 19:55 GMT
#817
deconduo, are you around?

"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 19:56 GMT
#819
decon, can you check multiple people at once if you are right next to them?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 19:59 GMT
#822
decon, I'm moving to F6. If you can, move to E6 and check me and Oats at the same time!
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 20:38 GMT
#826
Ok, I see decon got the movement through, that's nice. What are the results?

Also Sentinel, why did you not move?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 21:11 GMT
#829
I just found something. But first, let's view some nice quotes.

On May 16 2013 01:58 Crossfire99 wrote:
I'm going to clarify the movement again because I realized it still might be a little confusing. First, choose what direction you would like to face: forward, backward, left, or right. Then I will perform all movement relative to this new direction.


On May 17 2013 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 10:38 Zephirdd wrote:
On May 17 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I moved 3 steps up and looked up.

That makes me B right?


How did you send your PM to the hosts? This is important. Anyone reading this, do not answer.

Oatsmaster, how did you send your PM? How did you want to move?

I sent my PM,
'move 3 steps up and look up.'
I wanted to move here.


On May 17 2013 11:12 Zephirdd wrote:
okay that does NOT make any sense.
here is why:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 01:58 Crossfire99 wrote:
I'm going to clarify the movement again because I realized it still might be a little confusing. First, choose what direction you would like to face: forward, backward, left, or right. Then I will perform all movement relative to this new direction.

As an example. Say if you were piece C and you wanted to move to i4 while facing north. You would say, face backwards, move 2 spaces to the left. That would get you to i4 and facing north during the movement. Does everyone understand?


The way this works is that we had to chose our directions without knowing where we would go. If we could just say "look up" then there is no point in not allowing "look north". What B did was Look right and move three steps forward.

What I think happened is simple. You asked to go up, and the hosts allowed it no problem because you already had prior knowledge of your own handle.

In other words, you just slipped hard. So, unless for some reason you have a role that gives you knowledge of your handle on day 01, I say you are an angel. Simple as that.

Vivax tunnel-vision on you day 1? That's about as standard of a scum bus as possible, ESPECIALLY when a lot of people in the thread had already voiced that you were acting as an annoying/abrasive townie.

##Vote Oatsmaster


On May 17 2013 19:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hm... odd that Vivax would bus Oats out of the blue like that, but I guess if it weren't for the scumslip Oats would be pretty much above the level of suspicion.

##Vote: Oatsmaster


Yeah yeah, I know, you guys already know all that stuff up there. But do you know what everyone seems to have missed? This little gem down there...


On May 17 2013 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I sent face left, 2 right 1 up. Nobody stood still as far as I see, so it must have gone through (I did it right on the deadline).

I don't think anyone turned left, did they? Which would mean I'm player G.


On May 17 2013 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I sent face left, 2 right 1 up.


On May 17 2013 06:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
1 up


Sentinel used the same way to coordinate movements as Oats did. However, noone picked up on it for some reason. Now, why would Sentinel not defend Oats? Why does Sentinel use this as evidence that Oats is scum and vote him for it when he did the very same thing, even stating that Oats would not be suspicous except for this scumslip?

Because he's scum.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 21:17 GMT
#831
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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