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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Yeah, my bad. His second one had them backwards, so I got confused. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 17 2013 06:57 mkfuba07 wrote: Yeah, my bad. His second one had them backwards, so I got confused. yeah sorry my mathing skills are bad | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
B = oats or sharrant C = phagga E = Blazinghand F = Sentinel G = Zephirdd H = ghost I = mkfuba K = fferyllt L = oats or sharrant Here's my updated list, in case anyone doesn't have it done already. I didn't see any crumbs or mention of oats or sharrants' movements, so I couldn't piece those together myself. The only not-straightforward movement afaik is my own (backwards, forward 1, left 2, forward 1, left 1; I apparently immediately turned and walked face first into a wall not once, but twice. This left me with an effective backwards, left 3). My flashlight appears out because I'm still facing the wall, and G's is out because of what I can only assume is angelcraft. Did anyone get a PM? On May 17 2013 06:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Regarding this post and Vivax's side in the argument, does this imply that the angels don't know all of the players' movespeeds? I wouldn't feel confident trying to draw anything regarding scum knowledge from that discussion. It would get too WIFOM-y for my taste. One think I will note is that I don't think they have a QT, since one wasn't mentioned in the role PM. Since we almost know who and where everyone is, and we know that the puppets also act to slow the angels in their line of sight, I think it's a good time to start gathering up in a corner, or something. ABCF and EHIKL seem pretty close together, so I propose bundling those groups together, and then either working towards the bottom left corner (if we want to have everyone together for maximum visibility) or ABCF goes to the top left and EJIKL goes to the bot right (if we want to maximize distance between groups to make the angels split up). Oh, I guess G could come with EHKIL if he wants  Any thoughts regarding this plan? Preferences between the two options? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I'm moving towards EHKIL, I'm scared as fuck. If angels are anything similar to Vivax, I doubt splitting up will be any useful if they can literally jump on people. IMO we should all stick together. ------ I don't like Sharrath. First because every post of his is an essay. Secondly because of this My problem with a Vivax lynch right now is that I don't think he's lying about believing the game operated with cardinal directions. If he earnestly believed that, I don't think his post is scummy at all. I think it might be a bit counter productive, but not scummy. Now if he's lying, then absolutely he's scum and he got caught trying to fish for player movements. So I ask everyone, do you think he's lying about his knowledge of the movement scheme. If you do, what is it that makes you think he's lying? Convince me that he is, and I'll happily vote him. Vivax, what do you think about keeping Oats alive for today, and lynching him if his play does not improve over the next cycle? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18614642 into, two posts~ of his later: Oops, forgot to mention. The reason I see Sentinel as scummy for having dropped Vivax as suspicion of him was coming about, is because he obviously wouldn't want to be seen as pushing for a townie lynch as mafia. I don't think his reasons for voting or unvoting Vivax were that strong, but the bandwagon got rolling, and he hopped off when others were hopping on. This really does read scummy to me, that's why I'd like to know what his thoughts on Vivax are post-removing himself from the bandwagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18615028 All these essays etc. but he is really happy to vote deconduo after a small exchange with marv. He didn't seem to put nearly as much thought on deconduo than he did on vivax, even though he(initally) defended both. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
He jumps from "maybe vivax is scum" to "vivax is town and sent is trying to set a wagon on him" | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
That makes me B right? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I feel like a kid in the candy store. With so much chaos at the deadline, I'm bound to find something good ^^ | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On May 17 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I moved 3 steps up and looked up. That makes me B right? How did you send your PM to the hosts? This is important. Anyone reading this, do not answer. Oatsmaster, how did you send your PM? How did you want to move? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 17 2013 10:38 Zephirdd wrote: How did you send your PM to the hosts? This is important. Anyone reading this, do not answer. Oatsmaster, how did you send your PM? How did you want to move? I sent my PM, 'move 3 steps up and look up.' I wanted to move here. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I sent my PM, 'move 3 steps up and look up.' I wanted to move here. I wanted to move here. That's a curious thing to say. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:04 ghost_403 wrote: I wanted to move here. That's a curious thing to say. yeah it is huh, I wonder why ghost? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
The mechanic that scares me the most is that angel's movespeed increases by some amount every day. Assuming that mechanic isn't unique to Vivax. Which means that if anything, they can stall us out. At some point, even if every town player on the board is looking at an angel, he will still be able to move around. My next priority once I get out of bed next morning is to re-analyze Vivax's interactions to see if there's something we can uncover now that he's scum. Otherwise, the thread's been pretty quiet since the day post and everyone's figured out generally which letter they are, so review is the best option we have right now. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
here is why: On May 16 2013 01:58 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm going to clarify the movement again because I realized it still might be a little confusing. First, choose what direction you would like to face: forward, backward, left, or right. Then I will perform all movement relative to this new direction. As an example. Say if you were piece C and you wanted to move to i4 while facing north. You would say, face backwards, move 2 spaces to the left. That would get you to i4 and facing north during the movement. Does everyone understand? The way this works is that we had to chose our directions without knowing where we would go. If we could just say "look up" then there is no point in not allowing "look north". What B did was Look right and move three steps forward. What I think happened is simple. You asked to go up, and the hosts allowed it no problem because you already had prior knowledge of your own handle. In other words, you just slipped hard. So, unless for some reason you have a role that gives you knowledge of your handle on day 01, I say you are an angel. Simple as that. Vivax tunnel-vision on you day 1? That's about as standard of a scum bus as possible, ESPECIALLY when a lot of people in the thread had already voiced that you were acting as an annoying/abrasive townie. ##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Thank you and good night. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
First of all, BH is town. Period. Unless he's pulling some crazy Risen-esque moves here, he's town. There no reason to risk himself like that as scum. If he's still here in three days, lynch him, but he's probably going to be dead before then. Zephridd also recieves townie points for his actions in the lynching. Ultimately, he was the one responsible for hammering the dearly-departed Vivax, and it fits well with his actions all game. Sharrant receives anti-brownie points for his voting this game. It appears to me that he's playing the part of "scum in the outfield", which is always characterized by not voting for his compatriot day 1. Check it out, that's a thing. Also, it meshes well with the vibes I was getting from him earlier in the day, more on that in a bit. I'm not going to weigh in on Sent and Fyre at this point. Both of them could have been shifting their votes at the last minute to generate some goodwill with the town after they realized that their scumbuddy was getting lynched. Can't read too much either way from their actions. --- I simply don't like Sharrants play this game. Like people have said before, his big posts are empty and devoid of content. This one, in particular, just kind of rubs me the wrong way. He spends more time defending Vivax then he does trying to work out who's the best lynch. Why, as town, would anyone spend so much time defending another person on Day 1? From a townie point of view, this particular action simply doesn't make sense. (Of course, now we know Vivax's alignment.) Then, in the part of the post where he tries to work out what to do next, he has no insightful observations. A wordy comment on my meta, and a note that Sent is kind of flismy. It's just not a good post. His later posts follow similar trends. This one irks me. + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2013 00:44 Sharrant wrote: I can't explain Vivax's thought patterns, but I can explain mine. I fucking love puzzles, and thinking problems. The reason I signed up for this game is because it's a mafia game based on a puzzle essentially, so the first thing I did was look at the game to see if it could be solved as a puzzle or which solution would give us the greatest chance of winning. You cannot work out moves for a subset of players (B and J) but what you can do, is work out an optimal list of ordered moves for players. The idea was to create a list that primarily moves players to the left of the board. Moving players to the left is going to give us more visual overlap. The ideal scenario would be all 12 players in a corner, against the wall, players on outer edges facing parallel to the wall, everyone else a step or two out from the wall randomly alternating the direction they're looking between perpendicular to the wall nearest them, and out from the group parallel to the wall nearest them. This makes it hardest for the angels to identify a pattern in which they can enter or get close to our group without being spotted. It also potentially outs puppets for making Angel favoured moves, or making improper reports. Using Cardinal movements it was possible to begin moving players to the lower left hand corner, while giving a move pattern which would identify at least 50% of players, up to a possible 100%. The difference in potential identification is due to people running into walls/other players causing their actual movement to be inconsistent with their stated movement. There were certainly problems with my plan, but it seemed to be the optimal plan when cardinal movements were allowed. Does that adequately explain it? I'm not sure if I'm capable of conveying it very well. Can Angels feed AND use their conventional KP on the same night? If a player is fed upon are they killed that same night? Yeah, that's nice and all, but we don't care. There's no reason to be talking about mechanics in the way he does in this post. It's simply there to waste space and make it look like he's contributing. Then comes that one time when he thoughtlessly sheeps Marv on his vote, then proceeds to do nothing about it. Townies have a natural inclination to work together to figure out everyone else's alignments. Why doesn't he really care? His vote is half-hearted, and has no followthrough at all. It's just a bad vote. All of that in and of itself is a good enough reason for me to vote Sharrant. Combine that with how he's voting stereotypically Day 1 scum when a scum gets lynched (lynchee is desperate, one is onboard, the other is in left field), and we got ourselves a winner. ghost_403's pick for the Day 2 lynch is... ##vote sharrant | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:12 Zephirdd wrote: okay that does NOT make any sense. here is why: The way this works is that we had to chose our directions without knowing where we would go. If we could just say "look up" then there is no point in not allowing "look north". What B did was Look right and move three steps forward. What I think happened is simple. You asked to go up, and the hosts allowed it no problem because you already had prior knowledge of your own handle. In other words, you just slipped hard. So, unless for some reason you have a role that gives you knowledge of your handle on day 01, I say you are an angel. Simple as that. Vivax tunnel-vision on you day 1? That's about as standard of a scum bus as possible, ESPECIALLY when a lot of people in the thread had already voiced that you were acting as an annoying/abrasive townie. ##Vote Oatsmaster Interesting. Or they allowed it cause they didnt realise that they they disallowed it earlier. Believe me, keeping things straight when hosting especially for weird mechanics is really hard. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
##vote oatsmaster | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:18 ghost_403 wrote: Or Oats. I think he scumslipped hard in that post I referenced. I'll put my vote on him for safe keeping. i wont steal it. Definitely. Oh no you can trust me  . | ||
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