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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I'm kinda tired with my work today so while this may sound hypocritical, I'd love if someone could make a recheck of people's play and see if someone was avoiding interacting with Vivax at all. That'd be a good start. There is a possibility where Oats is town though, and I'll wait to see the day develop and see if he actually notices this possibility. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
I highly recommend that you play the game instead of trying to break the game | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Vivax/oats interaction doesn't seem to make a hyooj amount of sense for the oats=scum hypothesis just because, if I were scum and trying to get a stupid nonsensical case going against a somewhat incompetent player, I know I sure as hell wouldn't be doing it against a fellow scum guy. It's possible Vivax was busing/distancing Oats, I get that, but what's more likely to me is Vivax was lazy scum looking for an easy lynch and that Oats would be doable since Oats isn't very good. I don't have to make any weird leaps of logic for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against incompetent Oats that gets himself lynched" theory. I DO have to make some weird assumptions for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against his own incompetent Oats scumbuddy that gets himself lynched" theory. I'm gonna get an associative tell + straight-up scumminess case on someone, probably not Oats, going soon. I'm gonna reread people's mentions of vivax and reread the voteswap shennannies at day end. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 17 2013 14:09 Blazinghand wrote: Well, Zephirdd is definitely town, as before. He wouldn't do this as scum. Vivax/oats interaction doesn't seem to make a hyooj amount of sense for the oats=scum hypothesis just because, if I were scum and trying to get a stupid nonsensical case going against a somewhat incompetent player, I know I sure as hell wouldn't be doing it against a fellow scum guy. It's possible Vivax was busing/distancing Oats, I get that, but what's more likely to me is Vivax was lazy scum looking for an easy lynch and that Oats would be doable since Oats isn't very good. I don't have to make any weird leaps of logic for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against incompetent Oats that gets himself lynched" theory. I DO have to make some weird assumptions for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against his own incompetent Oats scumbuddy that gets himself lynched" theory. I'm gonna get an associative tell + straight-up scumminess case on someone, probably not Oats, going soon. I'm gonna reread people's mentions of vivax and reread the voteswap shennannies at day end. ur face is incompetent. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
What stands out most is that while he does not talk with deconduo or ghost, he defends both in this post: On May 17 2013 02:49 Vivax wrote: As for deconduo, you call his post to be drop and run, when you don't know his schedule, and part of it is his setup talk. I am not a fan of incriminating people based on the setup talk, rather for shutting it down, and even a bad idea is only as influential as the number of people following it. Proposing ideas with the potential to look so bad reads to me as unafraid, actually, people jumping at bad ideas screaming bloody murder read as scum. I disagree with his read on ghost though. His point is that ghost is scum for saying mechanics are useless and then discussing them nontheless. Scum doesn't want to post extra much without reason. There was intrinsic motivation for ghost to discuss mechanics even after announcing it wouldn't be the best idea, that means he's likely town, unless he's some master at self-representation. Now, Vivax was already under pressure at this point; Although Zephirdd had already unvoted again, there were still 4 votes on him and he was the vote leader. However, at the same time deconduo was gaining votes and suspicions. So what happens in the above post? Vivax defends both deconduo and ghost! Why is that strange? Because it was a good opportunity to attack either of them and hope to get the pressure of his back. Instead he defends both and further attacks Zephirdd (whom he made a case on about 30 minutes earlier). This makes me think that either decon or ghost are scum. If it's decon, then Vivax tried to safe him with that defense, but then why does he defend ghost? That does not make much sense. Instead, I assume he had two goals:
There is a second possibility, that deconduo and ghost_403 are both scum. Will need to think about that. TLDR; I'll check ghost_403 next. Further findings from interactions: There is almost 0 Talk with Sharrant or about Sharrant. CTRL+F in Vivax' filter gives these 2 posts: On May 16 2013 21:16 Vivax wrote: Oats cause he played like scum, and I wouldn't regret the loss if he's town. Frankly I don't understand how you can give him a townread just like that, I would like you to expand on it, and also your opinion on BH quickly abandoning the Oats option and then claiming towards me to have laid out reasoning for Oats being town, when he has only sheeped your reasoning IIRC. As for others, I'll wait for the return of Sentinel and Ghost to comment on the situation. Sharrant if he doesn't post more. He's usually very lengthy and insightful as town. On May 17 2013 02:30 Vivax wrote: Why do you want to lynch Sharrant. You said this earlier. He now has made more posts, there is no updated reasoning from your side, you're just looking for something easy to lynch. Not sure what to do with this currently. Further Further findings from interactions He defends mkfuba for his first post: On May 16 2013 19:58 Vivax wrote: That post is so bad that I could see it coming from a townie, actually. I'd rather expect him to do some forced bullshit push, or jump on the bandwagon against me at this point, not apologize and admit that he's got nothing to contribute. I thought it could point to a connection between mkfuba and Vivax. However, when checking mkfuba's filter, I could not find anything that would point to a connection of the two, nor does he look scummy. Also he clearly stated that he preferred Vivax over deconduo and did not hesitate to vote Vivax when blazinghand called for a switch and marv switched (he voted in the same minute as Marv and BH). His vote was the hammer vote. All this makes me think he is not scum, though I hope to see more of him like he promised. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
2 of those 3 are scum, I'm HIV positive about it | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
The whole movement thing could be a host error, not voting Oats for that. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
@phagga on the counterside, Sharranth talked a lot about Vivax but only defending him. Like, defending hard. I think I made an earlier post about that, before the whole "slip" thing. @Oatsmaster if you're town, don't feel demotivated. You are not dead yet and we can still let you live no problem. Use this moment to your advantage, and pressure people who you think are scum. good morning. Sharrant is weirder and weirder(need more posts from him); fferyllt looks better than at day 1; ghost had a cool post on sharranth; sentinel and deconduo are pretty set on what they are doing; blazinghand loves saying I'm town; mkfuba asked a nice question but he seems lurky; phagga is greenpeace yet to comment on oatsmaster thing: fferyllt, sharrath If you are town remember that the day is not over | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind? On the board I am most certainly L, all I did was an about face, didn't figure anyone else would do anything similar, and I didn't want to potentially move myself into a worse position by blindly moving. (about 70-30 chance of picking the right direction versus not) It seems to me that the optimal movement for town is as follows: Form into large groups as quickly as possible, and gather up stragglers as we move around the board. The trick here, is that once we are into a group, we do not want our specific move patterns known. It's been revealed to us through Vivax's PM that the angels have a "leap" mechanic, where they match a players movement within a certain range. We can use this to our advantage in the following way: Once we are in groups of 3-4 people, the group will set a direction of up to 3 spaces. The players in the group will all keep their moves hidden but will do their best to follow the assigned direction and distance. (optimal distance is probably 1 or 2) The people on the outside of the group always move inwards, and the people on the insides always move outwards. I believe this would make the leaps ineffective in the clutter because of bodyblocking. It also means if an angel does get inside the group, we can pretty much guarantee at least someone will have their flashlight on the angel, after that it's just coordination. [green]If an angel encounters an obstacle, say a town character, that is not their intended target during a leap what will happen? If a player ends the night beside an Angel, does that Angel feed automatically, or does the Angel have to specify the target in advance and then get close to them?[green] ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Barbiero
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote: I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind? Regarding the first part, I don't think that's what people are saying he reason he's scum is. From what I gather, they speculate he is scum because hosts didn't let him get away with using cardinal directions-- he didn't move or used an angel moving mechanic, then screwed up when trying to claim movement using the town mechanic because he didn't understand it. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On May 17 2013 23:37 Zephirdd wrote: also everyone consider this: If Oats is town, who is scum? this is a terrible argument | ||
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