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I'm basically on deck 3 practicing yologa fuck hunting scum, fuck hoes | ||
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We be votin' Hiro tomorrow, deal? | ||
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On May 13 2013 03:48 prplhz wrote: We should just ignore DarthPunk's claim for now. Vivax it's okay that you're trolling a bit but please don't make this another Personality 2 mafia. That game was bad for all (town) parties involved and your excessive spam was big part of that. In fact everybody should consolidate because this game is going to be complicated enough with all the themed stuff going on. Oh sorry I'll put my serious face on O_O | ||
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Why would scum post now. | ||
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On May 13 2013 03:58 HiroPro wrote: if you have a gun you should shoot darthpunk. there is no reason to claim self-aware miller in this setup. Did you hear that scum?Shoot DP. | ||
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On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. You're calling him mafia, I wanted to see if you thought through every parameter, and him using a fake name for miller is one of them. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Yeah makes sense. I would not lynch him so quickly but his miller claim sure deserves extra attention, I won't get him outta my attention span so quickly since that claim and I expect him to show me if he deserves to be treated as real miller. I'd still like if kita went into detail about his WoS scumread. That's unknown stuff we didn't resolve yet. | ||
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I also lied in this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 05:45 Vivax wrote: Yeah makes sense. I would not lynch him so quickly but his miller claim sure deserves extra attention, I won't get him outta my attention span so quickly since that claim and I expect him to show me if he deserves to be treated as real miller. I'd still like if kita went into detail about his WoS scumread. That's unknown stuff we didn't resolve yet. I actually think Raynboy is scummy and wasn't interested in lynching DP. One does not simply confront his scumreads during N0. | ||
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On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer? | ||
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The "where are you going with your questioning" is one of the things that hit me about him, he is supposed to argue for DP being scum in his position, so he shouldn't have reason to be so neurotic about someone asking him out about it. I read it as scum not feeling comfortable being asked about that, so he quickly stepped on the defensive thinking that I was attacking him with that question. | ||
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If he was scum, his motivation would be to have to explain as little as possible, to avoid talking much about the issue. In that mindset, questions directed towards him doing that would be viewed by him as threat, and as an attack, and that's the way he replied to that question: Acting as if I was doing something suspicious with my questioning. That's cause he felt threatened by it. | ||
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Comments on Rayn please? That post by him wasn't the only scummy thing but I don't want to write a complete case, I'm lazy atm. | ||
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Look, I am coaching mafia this game | ||
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On May 13 2013 16:37 Promethelax wrote: He hadn't popped out to me but I like what you pointed out. I'm going back now to filter him, WoS and OO. I like my vote where it is for the moment but I'll get back to you in a little bit after filter diving. You comment on WoS/OO for me, fair trade? OO I think is town for early activity and cause he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about his image. I put him into that spot pretty early and I have other fish to fry. I'm not sure about WoS, but he never rolled scum and seems pretty cheerful this game. I'd expect him to not be able to not give a fuck so easily in his first game as scum, I wish that he started doing some analysis soon, N0 is over. These two aren't really subject of interest. | ||
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/buddy Expecting SlOosh and Sinani to post something meaningful within this day or I'll be mad | ||
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 , but I'm in for the deal.There's one thing I want to say regarding this DP NK: You used it as a means to defend Rayn cause you argue that scum wouldn't kill their official lynch choices. I disagree, DP as a player, not as a role is worth getting rid of, and getting rid of their lynch targets is no problem for scum, there is plenty of material to start bullshit cases elsewhere anyway, if they have to. I don't feel DP was at much danger of getting lynched, and calling him scum forces scum to stay active for them to make it look like a legit scumread. I'd prefer if you argued for Rayn being town with something else than connection. But I'm waiting for him to respond to my accusations anyway, and I might post stuff regarding other posts he wrote later. Sinani contributes at least a little in his town games, and SlOosh is an experienced player. I wouldn't like them if they stayed absent. Prom, what do you think of prplhz instead? | ||
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On May 13 2013 18:24 Promethelax wrote: As I said, I don't see rayn as totes town or anything silly like that. I just don't think he is most likely scum with how he pressured DP and interacted with him. It seemed like a genuine desire to push DP and not a time waster/look active kind of push. You think Rayn likely staged his push on DP and followed it up by killing him? What matters for Rayn is that he had a reason to look like he's contributing. He doesn't need a strong player to stay alive just cause he's pushing him. I didn't like his entrance in the first place. "DP stupid or scum" and fucks off, I think WoS picked up on that, wanting him to specify, upon which he said "yes, scum", then I asked if he truly believes that his role name for miller is fake, and I got back the hostile response which I see as scummy. I'm used to Rayn being more willingly engaged into conversation than that when he's town, and I wouldn't expect him to look for reasons for being asked out about his scumread, he should be persuading people to vote for it, not trying to avoid the issue. | ||
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Picked prplhz cause he gave me the impression of trying to look tryhard-townie without actually doing much. He doesn't really give any fucks when he's town so that set off alarms. I'm thinking about personality 2, he would usually pop in with some post to say something, quite regularly. Here he starts with some tryhard looking posts about general advice and fucks off. | ||
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Let's see what he has to say. | ||
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Kita: WoS, WoS said kita had painted a target on his back cause of activity: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. Putting this out here for the WoS-lynchers. I might have to review OO and him more closely. Any thoughts? This made me laugh Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town | ||
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On May 13 2013 23:52 shirokami wrote: I dont think rayn is that scummy, but he has some explaining to do. I hope to hear from him asap. What do you think should he explain? | ||
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On May 14 2013 00:19 shirokami wrote: + Show Spoiler + his last post, and overall thoughts about everything happened last night. What's the problem with his last post? Who do you think is scum? | ||
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He lately popped in to call sloosh dumb or something. | ||
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At least try to persuade me of a better lynch when you do that. | ||
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The thing that keeps bothering me about it is that he didn't treat me as a possible scumread neither during nor after that post, instead he kept answering MY questions without showing reciprocal interest, and he didn't ask me out about my stance on DP, even before I falsely claimed that I was agreeing with Rayn I didn't really agree with you, as you might notice once you read my filter since day start. | ||
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On May 14 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax i was mostly focusing on DP defending himself (his claim) and i was about to get onto other people later. I havn't really read any filters and as said didn't focus on other people. What do you think of Oats and shirokami? For the record i think WoS is town, won't lynch him today unless he does something really scummy. Oats is sloppy. For example he misunderstood the argument I brought up against you, he also made the strange flipflop on WoS, calling him town then voting for him. I'm used to him pulling stuff like this, a look at his filter makes me lean town, but it's early to tell and I don't put much stock into it myself. Shiro has to contribute way more, that would be helpful. Can't reach a conclusion on him yet. You were in the thread for 1:30 h at the time. I kinda found you pretty un-proactive for a Rayn. Please put as much effort in as you can in future, even if you are busy. | ||
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On May 14 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why did you not call out Kita for calling DP scum because of his claim, only me? It's not just finding the miller claim scummy, it was your casual and passive "scum or bad" entrance: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 18:30 Vivax wrote: What matters for Rayn is that he had a reason to look like he's contributing. He doesn't need a strong player to stay alive just cause he's pushing him. I didn't like his entrance in the first place. "DP stupid or scum" and fucks off, I think WoS picked up on that, wanting him to specify, upon which he said "yes, scum", then I asked if he truly believes that his role name for miller is fake, and I got back the hostile response which I see as scummy. I'm used to Rayn being more willingly engaged into conversation than that when he's town, and I wouldn't expect him to look for reasons for being asked out about his scumread, he should be persuading people to vote for it, not trying to avoid the issue. | ||
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On May 14 2013 00:34 shirokami wrote: @vivax This one is saying everyone who posted early is town, but I dont really think he thinks that everyone who did not post is scum. I have played with him few games so I just want to hear what he has to say. about scum, im still trying to filter-read, but now Im looking at people who have voted, and who have been voted. Unless I missed something he didn't mention your point of interest yet, where did your interest go now that Rayn is here? @ VE Why the change of mind? | ||
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On May 14 2013 04:37 shirokami wrote: @Rayn um I think its because im trying to play without a notepad this time and play based on reading a fuckton of filters and trying to just make an image of the game inside my head. the votes are on atleast 1 scum at the moment, just trying to think who that is. I dont like Oats or WoS at the moment. Hey, you claimed that you wanted a question answered by Rayn. I didn't see any of that yet, were you telling the truth? | ||
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On May 14 2013 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Looking back I missed this post, Vivax. I will look into prlphz and have already given my opinion on Rayn. Looking at your description of Oats being sloppy but calling him leaning town I'm curious as to what in his filter makes you think that. Also any opinion of BH at all? Yeah, his post on you was only based on one post and a lot rhetoric, and his fillers are annoying. I saw BH both as DT and scum in action and currently he reminds me more of the latter. But I won't jump to a conclusion quickly yet. I don't mind concluding D1 with a policy lynch either, looking along the ranks of Sinani/BM/prplhz , scum will never kill them anyway. | ||
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I hydrad with kush in Hydra II and I don't recall him playing that badly there, if he doesn't stay regularly active and eager to share who his reads are, then he's up for lynch. That should be more or less the situation atm, so yeah, add kush unless he brings some more to the table. I prefer to lynch prplhz before Rayn, I appreciated his latest contributions, although I'll need more time to get to a conclusive read. My recap about prplhz is that he tried too hard to play the "good & helpful townie" role at the beginning, while his inconsistency and lack of contribution tells otherwise. He had a bunch of unanswered questions and completely stopped pursuing them, and he spoke about some general advice/moderation stuff before that. After that, he disappeared to come back to say something about sloosh. Prplhz is who I wanna lynch. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=126438 Two games from prplhz. The meta component is another point, scum prplhz tends to throw around early questions, and he gives a more assertive impression as town, stating his opinion without fluffing up his posts. Compare it to this game. | ||
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On May 14 2013 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax i suggest you look at Red Team Prize before you make statements like that on prpl. I agree that he needs to contribute, but i would not lynch him now. You are free to not vote for him if you don't think he's scum, but I feel quite confident about the choice and given the policy component I wouldn't feel too bad if I was wrong. Looks like win-win to me. | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think the policy component makes prpl more scum/town and that's a shitty to add that as a reason. If you want to policy lynch him for being a lurker, fine. But i smell something fishy here.. Why are you paining this as a "possible policy lynch if you are wrong"? Cause I wouldn't cry over his loss if he's town, he's not one of the guys I want to have around lategame. Should I be more politically correct? | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote: I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here. Do you want me to be blunt or subtle and smart | ||
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On May 14 2013 06:42 Blazinghand wrote: I'm about to step out, so let me make this clear for you Vivax when WoS flips scum, people will start saying "oh, who was scum with him?" and they're going to see you, who had zero interest in lynching him, voting him with no explanation at all after it's clear he's going to be lynched.If you're town you better man the hell up and analyze and stuff cause if you saw a guy doing what you are doing now, after the red flip you'd want to lynch him. You know this. Don't be that guy. Of course if you are scum I'm okay with you being that guy. Just saying man It's not clear he's to be lynched yet. I'll bear with those trying to incriminate me, for the case that we get to flip him and you are right. | ||
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Waffle of Shadow 1. Call a guy town while implying he should be vigged. + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote: This guy is either town city or... nah fuck it he's telling the truth. On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP? You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. 2. No scumreads, just trolling, defending and talking about irrelevant stuff. (Source: His filter) What has WoS done, analysis-wise? His first "scumread" was a vote on Oats as reaction to him voting for him based on poor reasoning. Later he started calling BH scum while at the same time throwing in he's not. He dug up some half-assed meta from him, ending up in this after BH called it out for being bullshit: On May 14 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: And BH you don't literally make it in every game. I wasn't going to go back into every single game of yours to look for that post; I looked into the games we have played in together and the only one you posted that in was The Game in which you were scum. You did not post it in LX, where you were DT. Lazy, fine. Grasping, maybe and I will admit it was a weak point. But you sure do seem to be the one getting all riled up about this, not me Here WoS clearly talks to BH as if he thought he was town. If WoS thought BH was scum, he'd be looking through his filter finding evidence for that point,not trying to argue and deescalate the situation by talking with BH like that. If you look at WoS' posts after this, you have another example of that scummy mindset: Looking at the first post, it's made to discredit BH and subtly call him scum. But if you look at the next post (2), he goes all like "I ALREADY DEFENDED MYSELF BRO LEAVE ME ALONE PLS", does the begging tone look like something you would use towards a scumread, where you have to expect that it's someone who's going to push you against all rationality? AAAAAnd in the next post (3), he goes back to calling BH's actions scummy, but nowhere do we see WoS trying to push a lynch on BH, all he cares about is waffling and defending himself. On May 14 2013 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Look at this posturing. People talking about how good BH is at the game: he is saying it is impossible I am town; what does it mean for the godly BH if he is wrong? On May 14 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Already did, bro. And I NEVER LIE. All I did was post something and ask if you recognized it. On May 14 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh lord this is hilarious. Grasping for towncred in preparation for the flip. I'm still pretty confident I'm not going down today but I'm not going to be back for a few hours. If you guys decide to jump the gun and lynch me so be it, but just remember I was the principle guy who caught scumBH. All these points can be interpreted this way: WoS knows BH is town, and is not bringing up the motivation or creativity to push bullshit cases on him (or any other townie for that matter), which is a talent you need as scum to not look like you're just skating by and pushing mislynches. It would be WoS first scum game, so it makes sense from that perspective. He's playing like a noob scum. Starts with posting some BS in the thread, posts mafia gifs, talks about a town miller calling for a vig, even softclaims scum, all this trolly stuff during N0, and now that D1 is here and the scumhunting gots realz, he keeps the waffling up and doesn't look for scum like one would be used from his town counterpart. BH comes up with a supertunnel of justice after WoS buddied him in a post reasoning about how kita and DP were such awesome targets for scum (!), and he replies with this: On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote: As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever. I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. In all this time WoS is not getting down to being town, it's D1 and he openly admits he's not playing like town, here, in this post. That's cause he doesn't care about solving the game, he already got the solution, and he's aware that he's playing like ass, but he announces that he's going to try to look town at some point later in the game. That shouldn't even be necessary during D1, hunting season started already for zealous townies. AND, this post was written in reply to Oats voting for him, the same post which WoS found scummy, and yet the post that looks like nonsense to WoS and was reason to vote for Oats is a trigger for him to write such a weakly defensive post. Only scum would be insecure enough to write defenses to what they call bullshit posts. Vote scum, vote this waffle | ||
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to not look like you're just skating by and to push mislynches. And the defensive post was in reply to Oats, not to BH Reread before post ftw | ||
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As for him responding to Prom, that also takes away the point arguing that it was an unusual response to your (Oats) vote. I'll recap what Prom said about him: 1) He said "I'm never scum lols" when kita called him scum for no reason. not said by Prom) Said hi at the beginning of the game and stopped posting until kita called him scum 2) WoS hasn't felt cheerful to me, his confrontational attitude n0 was really weird. As I said it doesn't match his play in the past at all and he too had a reason to shoot DP and has buddied BH in an odd way which I didn't like. 3) In reply to WoS saying he's on the same wavelength as BH: If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts. | ||
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@ Prom Why do you say that WoS had a reason to shoot DP? I would also like to point out OO's huge drop of activity. Maybe he's really the reason for DP's death. | ||
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I want to make clear where I stand cause it might confuse some people: I would still lynch prplhz, and Rayn at a later date to see if he gives me strong reasons to believe he's town. But since BH said he's so super confident on WoS, yesterday I decided it would be a good idea to sheep him, so I placed my vote even while not having a conclusive opinion on WoS at the time just cause BH said 10. Waking up today I started working for that WoS lynch and read through, he plays like he doesn't really give a fuck about finding out who's mafia (thus playing like mafia) and is very susceptible to people calling him out in any way (mafia), he tries to shake off his attackers, who became his scumreads at the same time, but doesn't really try to persuade others about it in the process (mafia), it rather looks like he tries to persuade his attackers that he's town and they're mafia or something along that. A scumWoS is compatible with the idea of a scumrayn and a scumprplhz, but not with a scumOats so that should answer s & b's question about what I think about Oats. | ||
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On May 14 2013 18:22 prplhz wrote: Hey Vivax why am I scum? Good to see you're available for some conversation. I wrote the reasons already, just read my filter. I would also like if you gave a good summary of what's on your mind currently, read-wise. You mentioned Hiro, no reasoning. You said SlOosh sucks, no idea what you wanted. You abruptly stopped contributing after your early questions. You don't look like you want to win this game, but sure made it look like it very early in the game. | ||
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On May 14 2013 18:37 prplhz wrote: I read your filter. I don't have a lot of reads right now, mainly a few tentative town reads. I have a bad feeling about HiroPro, he doesn't seem to care much about this game after putting his vote down and some of his posting seems weirdly constructed. How do you feel about HiroPro? I said slOosh sucked because at the time and in the context of his performance as of then, he blew. I am sure you agree. Okay. I remember ObviousOne doing some ridiculously trolly post and then I thought "There's nothing in this thread right now that I want to participate in". Now why exactly am I scum? If you're town I don't want this to turn into a Vivax tunnel like you did marvellosity in Personality 2 because as Acrofales said after the game, scum couldn't wait for you to make another post. If you're scum then carry on. Isn't having a bad feeling about Hiro, a scumread? Could you point out which posts you are alluding to? I have my eye on Hiro but nothing that really sticks out to me yet. So you were around at the time after you stopped posting? If I were tunneling you I wouldn't be asking you these questions. Just lay back and let's talk a little. | ||
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On May 14 2013 03:41 Vivax wrote: Oats is sloppy. For example he misunderstood the argument I brought up against you, he also made the strange flipflop on WoS, calling him town then voting for him. I'm used to him pulling stuff like this, a look at his filter makes me lean town, but it's early to tell and I don't put much stock into it myself. Currently leaning town on you. And having WoS as scumread, that actually puts you at exclusion. If he flips red you're confirmed town. | ||
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Come lynch WoS with us, prplhz. On May 14 2013 20:36 prplhz wrote: I don't know. I'd rather kill HiroPro than WaveofShadow for now. So you would kill WoS? | ||
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This calls for a test of faith, or a clash of opinions | ||
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On May 14 2013 21:02 Promethelax wrote: I don't like sheep though. I'd prefer he has reads of his own and vote for himself. If he just want to suck up to me I get it, I'm pretty awesome but I can't read him if he spends the whole game with my balls in his mouth. If he bites you'll know he's scum though | ||
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As for the association stuff you bring up, my read on you is not based on association. I simply stated that you being scum doesn't exclude Rayn and prplhz from being it, too, but it most likely excludes Oats. That is unrelated to the points brought up against you, I just wanted to make clear that my reads on the two are on ice, and why I won't consider voting for Oats while having you as scum. I would rather have you bring good directions on who to lynch to the table, and comment on as many people as you can, I'm obviously mostly interested in your opinion on my other two scumreads. You have defended yourself enough this game and if you're town in danger of a lynch then you should be giving us better directions to work into rather than just kicking at your attackers. It's realistic that you might die today, so consider giving out some reads you want us to pursue after your death, in that case. | ||
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On May 14 2013 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha I can see it now. When my first mafia game finally happens I get outed based on meta which people try to pull every game and are wrong, and the time they get it right they get all vindicated and shit. haha oh you guys. Go ahead and explain yourself then Oats. So you admit being mafia? | ||
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WoS is totally scum Never seen him this hysterical This is a post from LX which our scumteam judged as being townie as fuck On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote: A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN I want WoS to be an epic fireball but his pants seem to be too wet for that, and he mostly talks hot air. I don't understand why he brought Hiro up. I apologize if this post isn't designed for maximum constructiveness. | ||
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On May 15 2013 02:27 shirokami wrote: @rayn Actually nevermind about you being scum if he is town, actually you can be scum even if he is scum. so bleh. This is a pretty townie thing to say imo. | ||
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And shame on a Fin for not posting a reindeer. | ||
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If I can think that far, scum can too. | ||
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He doesn't want you to kill yourself, he's your enemy. | ||
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Nice voting fail How can people bring up new lynch targets so close to deadline? Looking at the late vayne pushers here. Vayne reacting openly anti-town is worth nothing though. I wonder, why does nobody wonder that scum OBVIOUSLY wasn't pushing the WoS wagon? Unless you think me, BH and Shiro are scum, it gives you a good picture, but Shiro is confirmed town in my book, so lynch WoS please. | ||
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You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day. If you can read. Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone. He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day. There is no target for WoS. Wake up baddies | ||
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On May 15 2013 16:29 Oatsmaster wrote: where you during lynch bro? Does anything else stick out for you other than WoS being scum from the last 5 or so hours? I think I saw some guy playing this game without his pants on. He also had a weird reason to hide his face. | ||
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On May 16 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote: alright serious face. If you guys are really intent on visceraeyes being a good player (I cant meta this) then he is honestly really suspicious and not just for omgus reasons. just take one look at his voting history this past day, he was pretty much up to lynch just about anyone and anything. Bounced around so much you cant even get any info on him when he flips later. Completely disassociated himself from his voting and seemed indifferent at actually lynching town or scum. On May 16 2013 04:24 VayneAuthority wrote: Of course im equally sure that him and prome show up dead tonight, so take that with a grain of salt. You call him suspicious but are sure that he will show up dead tonight? Doesn't compute | ||
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You know what to do if we die tonight. Lynch that dude. No WIFOM bullshit. Go read what dead people wrote. | ||
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On May 15 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah that's all i need, shirokami is town. Look at this, he wrote it after I identified that post as townie, but now Rayn calls him odd. I currently think scum is WoS, Rayn, Vayne Less sure but gut-wise: S & B, chaoser, kush. I didn't check those connection wise but it would be a wise choice to look at how these 6 players interacted with each other. Vayne even defended himself in advance for calling WoS town: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2013 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote: Alright sure. I just posted a few more of my scumreads above so ill evaluate why I think WoS is not mafia. This goes back to the same analysis I played in my previous game to find a mafia, except now I am using it to find a town. When I am town, I get really fucking mad when people are going to lynch me because I know that im innocent and it gets me emotional to know that I played so fucking poorly that people are going to lynch me and we are going to lose for it. When im guilty I try to stay cool and reason with people and it is much easier to know since I inherently know that I am guilty so there's nothing to be upset about, people just played better than me and found me out. with how WoS is getting so mad, I really don't see him flipping mafia but of course not everyone is the same. He could be mafia, but I do not think so. On May 15 2013 04:19 VayneAuthority wrote: obviously there's no one way to know somebody is mafia or this game would be boring, not all mad people are innocent so you have to use your intuition at that point. If he flips mafia I look really bad at this point and hes scheduled to be lynched, so think about that for later when deciding on my alignment. Would I really stick myself out this far and look bad on either flip for WoS if I was mafia? Now THAT makes no sense at all. I don't mind exposing myself to a NK by sharing my reads cause I can't be around after resolution time due to EU time, I just want you to go back to this for the case I die. As for other options, I'm | ||
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Overall, scum doesn't even have to bus WoS. A lot of townies have him as town. A lot of my faith into him being scum is BH's confidence, if BH is scum then that would possibly have consequences for my Vayne and kush read. | ||
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On May 16 2013 07:32 HiroPro wrote: vivax, blazinghand isn't a player with strong reads. his claim to fame is that every single person who he threatens to eat his hat over has flipped town. he's loud, bold, and will trumpet his greatness at every given opportunity but isn't really known for his ability to find mafia. quite frankly, I'm not sure why you have so much confidence in him. would you mind explaining? I have to say that you bother me somewhat, too, upon reading. You talked a lot about coming to the conclusion that prplhz is probably town and what he does is so bad but I hardly see you pushing cases on people since the one on OO. Your whole push against OO looks like a calculated tunnel, your other reads are weird and don't include much reasoning. You don't inquire as much as I would want you to. You don't seem to give updates based on OO's newer play, but keep pointing to an old case. There seems to be very few doubt in your filter. I initially saw your firm opinions as town tell, but since they're becoming too firm on the timeline, they are actually looking like agenda now. I didn't check how my other reads treated you, but you sure are a good candidate for scum just based on that. | ||
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Bai scum | ||
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gg where is ace's analysis btw?(found it) | ||
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On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote: Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment. On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. | ||
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