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On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.
##Vote WoS I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.
Oh lord this is hilarious. Grasping for towncred in preparation for the flip. I'm still pretty confident I'm not going down today but I'm not going to be back for a few hours. If you guys decide to jump the gun and lynch me so be it, but just remember I was the principle guy who caught scumBH.
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On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.
##Vote WoS I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.
Fuck this I'm tunneling.
VE may be right and I guess it's completely possible BH is just blatantly wrong and being completely overconfident. I'm most confident about Oats and that's where I'm staying for now. BH maybe at some point you'll come to your senses and not just be a raging obnoxious detriment to the town.
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On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Hbrlxz.png) pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted
Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book.
y u no vote Oats, SnB?
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I'm not claiming shit.
And Sloosh, I can't mention said unmentionables because ongoing game. Look at stuff Prom said about it; he's looked stuff up.
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lolol you guys are too funny. All your pre-flip association reads.
Gonna go look back at Vivax's case to see if I can dismantle it but considering I already defended myself against BH and that went ignored y'all are gonna do what y'all are gonna do anyway, amirite?
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On May 14 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote:
what association reads WoS? You aren't helping yourself by being vague. Point out where there are association reads and why they are wrong if you can, where I'm sitting you look really happy to attack a strawman.
On May 14 2013 18:17 Vivax wrote:
The loaded questions SlOosh mentions are strong points in favor of scumRayn.
I want to make clear where I stand cause it might confuse some people:
I would still lynch prplhz, and Rayn at a later date to see if he gives me strong reasons to believe he's town.
But since BH said he's so super confident on WoS, yesterday I decided it would be a good idea to sheep him, so I placed my vote even while not having a conclusive opinion on WoS at the time just cause BH said 10.
Waking up today I started working for that WoS lynch and read through, he plays like he doesn't really give a fuck about finding out who's mafia (thus playing like mafia) and is very susceptible to people calling him out in any way (mafia), he tries to shake off his attackers, who became his scumreads at the same time, but doesn't really try to persuade others about it in the process (mafia), it rather looks like he tries to persuade his attackers that he's town and they're mafia or something along that.
A scumWoS is compatible with the idea of a scumrayn and a scumprplhz, but not with a scumOats so that should answer s & b's question about what I think about Oats.
On May 14 2013 19:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:41 Vivax wrote:
Oats is sloppy. For example he misunderstood the argument I brought up against you, he also made the strange flipflop on WoS, calling him town then voting for him.
I'm used to him pulling stuff like this, a look at his filter makes me lean town, but it's early to tell and I don't put much stock into it myself.
Currently leaning town on you. And having WoS as scumread, that actually puts you at exclusion. If he flips red you're confirmed town.
Alright I guess it's just Vivax.
Anyway, gonna look at his sheepy pseudo-case right now. I really don't like how everyone is just confirmation biasing the everliving fuck out of me right now. No one seems to want to accept the fact that I simply write down my thoughts in the thread if I perceive them to be important to matters at hand. If that makes me scummy and worth a lynch, fine, but absolutely everybody has ignored the fact that there is a towny explanation for everything I have done, and that is shit play.
ESPECIALLY from BH.
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On May 14 2013 16:01 Vivax wrote:Waffle of Shadow 1. Call a guy town while implying he should be vigged.+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2013 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote:
I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia.
I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch.
Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.
They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town.
This guy is either town city or... nah fuck it he's telling the truth. On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game.
What has WoS done, analysis-wise? His first "scumread" was a vote on Oats as reaction to him voting for him based on poor reasoning. Later he started calling BH scum while at the same time throwing in he's not. He dug up some half-assed meta from him, ending up in this after BH called it out for being bullshit: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And BH you don't literally make it in every game. I wasn't going to go back into every single game of yours to look for that post; I looked into the games we have played in together and the only one you posted that in was The Game in which you were scum. You did not post it in LX, where you were DT. Lazy, fine. Grasping, maybe and I will admit it was a weak point. But you sure do seem to be the one getting all riled up about this, not me Here WoS clearly talks to BH as if he thought he was town. If WoS thought BH was scum, he'd be looking through his filter finding evidence for that point,not trying to argue and deescalate the situation by talking with BH like that. If you look at WoS' posts after this, you have another example of that scummy mindset: Looking at the first post, it's made to discredit BH and subtly call him scum. But if you look at the next post (2), he goes all like "I ALREADY DEFENDED MYSELF BRO LEAVE ME ALONE PLS", does the begging tone look like something you would use towards a scumread, where you have to expect that it's someone who's going to push you against all rationality? AAAAAnd in the next post (3), he goes back to calling BH's actions scummy, but nowhere do we see WoS trying to push a lynch on BH, all he cares about is waffling and defending himself. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 06:34 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:30 Vivax wrote:
BH, from 1 to 10, how sure are you WoS is scum 10 it's basically impossible he's town Look at this posturing. People talking about how good BH is at the game: he is saying it is impossible I am town; what does it mean for the godly BH if he is wrong? Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:24 Vivax wrote:
Telling your scumread to shut up and die isn't exactly the most productive way to head for a lynch BH. okay reasonable but look at what he posted! He's like "look at this, this is meta for BH being scum" and quoted a post I LITERALLY MAKE IN EVERY GAME. I do see how a town player could make a mistake like this, maybe he's just cornered and defensive. But really, what this says to me is that he's scum, and he's more interested in painting me as scum and defending himself than he is in hunting scum. If he was really town and thought he was getting mislynched, he wouldn't auto-think I was scum , he would evaluate evidence and a quote like that, which I make both as scum and as town, is not evidence I am scum. It's literally OMGUS. It's not an attempt to hunt scum, it's not an attempt to discern my alignment, it's an attempt to fling shit and try to cause collateral damage without giving up associative tells before he flips. I get that I'm a bit abrasive, but I'll tell you something else: I'm also right. and I calls em like I sees em /dunked I am neither cornered nor defensive. You will not be lynching me today.  You're STILL ignoring what I've asked you to look at you; you only pick out the part of my post that is easy for you to dump on. How is this town behvaiour? If you expect me not to try and turn it around on you, STOP ACTING LIKE SCUM. Rayn I think it's too early to lynch OO, he has decent potential and despite his trolly nature, he gets MUCH more useful later on in the game, much more so than prplhz. I'm a little surprised he hasn't done more yet but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm not sure BH IS a better lynch; I'm trying to understand why he's acting this way but he refuses to acknowledge my questions of him and the fact that he is basing his entire read of me on one post---that is what makes him look scummy to me. I am certainly most comfortable with my vote on Oats right now due to his blatant flip on me without explanation. if you're not cornered or defensive how do you explain your lies about my meta? Already did, bro. And I NEVER LIE. All I did was post something and ask if you recognized it. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.
##Vote WoS I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here. Oh lord this is hilarious. Grasping for towncred in preparation for the flip. I'm still pretty confident I'm not going down today but I'm not going to be back for a few hours. If you guys decide to jump the gun and lynch me so be it, but just remember I was the principle guy who caught scumBH. All these points can be interpreted this way: WoS knows BH is town, and is not bringing up the motivation or creativity to push bullshit cases on him (or any other townie for that matter), which is a talent you need as scum to not look like you're just skating by and pushing mislynches. It would be WoS first scum game, so it makes sense from that perspective. He's playing like a noob scum. Starts with posting some BS in the thread, posts mafia gifs, talks about a town miller calling for a vig, even softclaims scum, all this trolly stuff during N0, and now that D1 is here and the scumhunting gots realz, he keeps the waffling up and doesn't look for scum like one would be used from his town counterpart. BH comes up with a supertunnel of justice after WoS buddied him in a post reasoning about how kita and DP were such awesome targets for scum (!), and he replies with this: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. In all this time WoS is not getting down to being town, it's D1 and he openly admits he's not playing like town, here, in this post. That's cause he doesn't care about solving the game, he already got the solution, and he's aware that he's playing like ass, but he announces that he's going to try to look town at some point later in the game. That shouldn't even be necessary during D1, hunting season started already for zealous townies. AND, this post was written in reply to Oats voting for him, the same post which WoS found scummy, and yet the post that looks like nonsense to WoS and was reason to vote for Oats is a trigger for him to write such a weakly defensive post. Only scum would be insecure enough to write defenses to what they call bullshit posts. Vote scum, vote this waffle
Ok point1:
What the fuck, Vivax? When the hell did I ever say he should be vigged or even imply it? You guys are so goddamn tunnely now you're putting fucking words in my mouth! I simply was telling him the one thing I didn't like about his claim that didn't 100% fit with my towny view of him. Where the fuck to you pull that I wanted him vigged from?
2) I'm waffling on BH because as I've stated before, I'm not sure what to make of him. NOBODY has answered my questions regarding him; in what way does BH's 'tunnel of justice' constitute good town play? This is why I find someone as skilled as him scummy; he BLATANTLY ignores points I bring up to defend myself to push his tunnel and you all swallow it up like fucking sheep grazing at pasture. And how the fuck is my vote on Oats bad reasoning? Like Vivax did you put any effort into this at all? Yes I will go so far to admit my waffling on BH and responses to him don't look good. But honestly? I don't give a fuck what they look like, they reflect my thought process regarding him. I find his actions extremely scummy but at the same time for you all to believe him so blindly and for him to be pushing so blindly maybe he is town and is just playing like shit?
Look you all can go ahead and lynch me if you honestly think it's the right thing to do. But right now I don't think any of you are THINKING.
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On May 14 2013 23:11 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, WoS, this is what I want you to do. Go reread the thread the whole way through. When you come back give me a new scumspect with new reasoning. Show me your thought process in detail. If you really are town take this as a chance to prove it instead of bitching about people thinking you are scum.
No. Fuck this hand-holding and coaching horseshit. I already have and have shown why Oats is likely to be scum. Can anyone please explain to me why he is not?
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I do not understand that reasoning. The fact that he seems to have thought DP was vigged is enough to make you ignore everything else scummy about him? Even though he calls it a scum kill later on in the day which Sloosh already pointed out and hasn't decided which he thinks it is?
Alright I see what I'm dealing with here.
Go ahead and lynch me; then maybe you'll realize your 'assumptions' shouldn't be. Either that or you'll all just justify it to yourselves because you're all just oh so fantastic at mafia.
I'm done defending myself because you're not going to listen to that.
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Honestly, I'm insulted that you'd think my scum play (WHICH DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST YET) is so unbelievably terrible that I'd make excuses for a scum kill AS SCUM right after a NK to out myself. Like that's fucking retarded and if it's this kind of play you think I embody right now I suppose there's no hope for me.
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Not association tells on me but on other people regarding my flip.
I'm not going to get lynched today, simple as that.
I have already mentioned I want Oats to be a lynch target but people are ignoring me.
I have commented on prplhz and Rayn but people seem to be ignoring that too.
Anyone else you want me to comment on so I can be ignored?
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Haha I can see it now.
When my first mafia game finally happens I get outed based on meta which people try to pull every game and are wrong, and the time they get it right they get all vindicated and shit.
haha oh you guys.
Go ahead and explain yourself then Oats.
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On May 14 2013 23:36 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I can see it now.
When my first mafia game finally happens I get outed based on meta which people try to pull every game and are wrong, and the time they get it right they get all vindicated and shit.
haha oh you guys.
Go ahead and explain yourself then Oats. lulz. Go and pull similarities from that game and defend yourself
No.
I've already said I'm not spending all day defending myself.
The fact that everybody is so quick to look at points to implicate me is enough to see that it's not defending myself that will save me. Case and point Vivax's fallacious point against me; if he'd been reading throroughly and not looking for a way to implicate me as scum via me 'implying' some shit or other, he'd have seen that was wrong.
+ Show Spoiler +You know, there's a really great reason that perfectly explains my townread on DP from the start, but ongoing game.
Anyway, you gonna answer my questions? Or we both just gonna tunnel each other all day until the sheep come home?
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On May 14 2013 23:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I can see it now.
When my first mafia game finally happens I get outed based on meta which people try to pull every game and are wrong, and the time they get it right they get all vindicated and shit.
haha oh you guys.
Go ahead and explain yourself then Oats. So you admit being mafia?
Is that really necessary? If you can all come off of your "I CAUGHT MAFIA I'M THE BEST PLAYER AROUND' high, maybe use your giant fucking brains and we can actually get something real done today.
Why are you all so quick to ignore or even implicate those who think I'm town? What do people find scummy about Hiro? I don't quite understand his reasoning for thinking I'm town about chaoser and RoL, but he is the only person who questioned BH's read early like I did; the rest of you just lapped it up. His activity hasn't been fantastic but his OO push seemed genuine enough.
Auto-scum though, right?
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Speaking of OO, I would like to hear his thoughts on the matter; he's one of a couple people I expected to be more useful at this point in the game; all he's done is OMGUS on Hiro, really. He shares my read of Oats but without much reasoning given.
OO, thoughts on cases re: me, Oats?
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On May 14 2013 04:37 shirokami wrote:
@Rayn
um I think its because im trying to play without a notepad this time and play based on reading a fuckton of filters and trying to just make an image of the game inside my head.
the votes are on atleast 1 scum at the moment, just trying to think who that is.
I dont like Oats or WoS at the moment.
Shiro:
You went from OO and Oats to me and Oats to just me.
Do you like Oats more right now? Do you think we are bussing?
For someone who has professed to be around more this game you haven't done much.
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You know, for a lynch that BH and people are so 100% sure of, I sure don't have a lot of votes on me.
Hey Prom! Where your vote at?
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On May 15 2013 00:16 Vivax wrote:
WoS what do you think made BH so confident that you're scum?
Are you....are you kidding me?
I've talked about this multiple times, this is more proof that you guys just don't fucking care what I have to say.
Go ahead and lynch me already if you dare.
##Unvote: Oatsmaster
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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At least this way if I die you guys will all shut the fuck up about me and find some real goddamn scum.
All you sheep, fucking put up or shut up so the game can REALLY begin.
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On May 15 2013 00:30 Promethelax wrote:
Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot...
I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them.
WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me.
OOOOO now things get interesting. Alright well help me a couple things regarding Oats then. You mention him saying DP was vigged is what makes you think he's town. Why? There are a couple things that have me doubting my read but I want to hear your justification first.
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