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Comments on Rayn please? That post by him wasn't the only scummy thing but I don't want to write a complete case, I'm lazy atm. | ||
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Look, I am coaching mafia this game | ||
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On May 13 2013 16:37 Promethelax wrote: He hadn't popped out to me but I like what you pointed out. I'm going back now to filter him, WoS and OO. I like my vote where it is for the moment but I'll get back to you in a little bit after filter diving. You comment on WoS/OO for me, fair trade? OO I think is town for early activity and cause he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about his image. I put him into that spot pretty early and I have other fish to fry. I'm not sure about WoS, but he never rolled scum and seems pretty cheerful this game. I'd expect him to not be able to not give a fuck so easily in his first game as scum, I wish that he started doing some analysis soon, N0 is over. These two aren't really subject of interest. | ||
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/buddy Expecting SlOosh and Sinani to post something meaningful within this day or I'll be mad | ||
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 , but I'm in for the deal.There's one thing I want to say regarding this DP NK: You used it as a means to defend Rayn cause you argue that scum wouldn't kill their official lynch choices. I disagree, DP as a player, not as a role is worth getting rid of, and getting rid of their lynch targets is no problem for scum, there is plenty of material to start bullshit cases elsewhere anyway, if they have to. I don't feel DP was at much danger of getting lynched, and calling him scum forces scum to stay active for them to make it look like a legit scumread. I'd prefer if you argued for Rayn being town with something else than connection. But I'm waiting for him to respond to my accusations anyway, and I might post stuff regarding other posts he wrote later. Sinani contributes at least a little in his town games, and SlOosh is an experienced player. I wouldn't like them if they stayed absent. Prom, what do you think of prplhz instead? | ||
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On May 13 2013 18:24 Promethelax wrote: As I said, I don't see rayn as totes town or anything silly like that. I just don't think he is most likely scum with how he pressured DP and interacted with him. It seemed like a genuine desire to push DP and not a time waster/look active kind of push. You think Rayn likely staged his push on DP and followed it up by killing him? What matters for Rayn is that he had a reason to look like he's contributing. He doesn't need a strong player to stay alive just cause he's pushing him. I didn't like his entrance in the first place. "DP stupid or scum" and fucks off, I think WoS picked up on that, wanting him to specify, upon which he said "yes, scum", then I asked if he truly believes that his role name for miller is fake, and I got back the hostile response which I see as scummy. I'm used to Rayn being more willingly engaged into conversation than that when he's town, and I wouldn't expect him to look for reasons for being asked out about his scumread, he should be persuading people to vote for it, not trying to avoid the issue. | ||
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Picked prplhz cause he gave me the impression of trying to look tryhard-townie without actually doing much. He doesn't really give any fucks when he's town so that set off alarms. I'm thinking about personality 2, he would usually pop in with some post to say something, quite regularly. Here he starts with some tryhard looking posts about general advice and fucks off. | ||
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Let's see what he has to say. | ||
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Kita: WoS, WoS said kita had painted a target on his back cause of activity: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. Putting this out here for the WoS-lynchers. I might have to review OO and him more closely. Any thoughts? This made me laugh Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town | ||
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On May 13 2013 23:52 shirokami wrote: I dont think rayn is that scummy, but he has some explaining to do. I hope to hear from him asap. What do you think should he explain? | ||
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On May 14 2013 00:19 shirokami wrote: + Show Spoiler + his last post, and overall thoughts about everything happened last night. What's the problem with his last post? Who do you think is scum? | ||
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He lately popped in to call sloosh dumb or something. | ||
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At least try to persuade me of a better lynch when you do that. | ||
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The thing that keeps bothering me about it is that he didn't treat me as a possible scumread neither during nor after that post, instead he kept answering MY questions without showing reciprocal interest, and he didn't ask me out about my stance on DP, even before I falsely claimed that I was agreeing with Rayn I didn't really agree with you, as you might notice once you read my filter since day start. | ||
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On May 14 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax i was mostly focusing on DP defending himself (his claim) and i was about to get onto other people later. I havn't really read any filters and as said didn't focus on other people. What do you think of Oats and shirokami? For the record i think WoS is town, won't lynch him today unless he does something really scummy. Oats is sloppy. For example he misunderstood the argument I brought up against you, he also made the strange flipflop on WoS, calling him town then voting for him. I'm used to him pulling stuff like this, a look at his filter makes me lean town, but it's early to tell and I don't put much stock into it myself. Shiro has to contribute way more, that would be helpful. Can't reach a conclusion on him yet. You were in the thread for 1:30 h at the time. I kinda found you pretty un-proactive for a Rayn. Please put as much effort in as you can in future, even if you are busy. | ||
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On May 14 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why did you not call out Kita for calling DP scum because of his claim, only me? It's not just finding the miller claim scummy, it was your casual and passive "scum or bad" entrance: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2013 18:30 Vivax wrote: What matters for Rayn is that he had a reason to look like he's contributing. He doesn't need a strong player to stay alive just cause he's pushing him. I didn't like his entrance in the first place. "DP stupid or scum" and fucks off, I think WoS picked up on that, wanting him to specify, upon which he said "yes, scum", then I asked if he truly believes that his role name for miller is fake, and I got back the hostile response which I see as scummy. I'm used to Rayn being more willingly engaged into conversation than that when he's town, and I wouldn't expect him to look for reasons for being asked out about his scumread, he should be persuading people to vote for it, not trying to avoid the issue. | ||
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On May 14 2013 00:34 shirokami wrote: @vivax This one is saying everyone who posted early is town, but I dont really think he thinks that everyone who did not post is scum. I have played with him few games so I just want to hear what he has to say. about scum, im still trying to filter-read, but now Im looking at people who have voted, and who have been voted. Unless I missed something he didn't mention your point of interest yet, where did your interest go now that Rayn is here? @ VE Why the change of mind? | ||
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