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On May 19 2013 09:18 slOosh wrote: Hey Prom, sick pre-flip association reads. You go AWOL last night, blame BH that he calls you out on it but then proceed to blame me for being late for day 1 lynch? You call me desperate scum that went for a gambit on mylo, even though as scum I would know the KP formula and be able to do basic math? You say I chainsaw defend BH even though the person pushing BH was VE and I didn't attack him, nor you in any way whatsoever? Q: If HiroPro was the wrong lynch, why didn't Prome say anything about it? A: He is scum that parked his vote somewhere else to avoid any responsibility, and now is trying to pin the blame of the flip based on the result, not on the analysis / justifications / reasoning. GG. Your desire for a perfect game was your downfall. Temporary green read for now (as in you are #3 scummy person on the hiro wagon to me), but very interesting analysis. Does it hold up? It sort of jives with what I was talking about RE: Prome acting not so much like his town self, which ofc isn't 100% accurate but it's something to note and part of the angle. Add this to my post from before and it looks like it could be quite the credible scum read. Distanced from main lynch wagons (BH wagon took off AFTER he left), but he DID vote for mafia. Is there a credible mafia motive to voting for BH before disappearing? I stated in the thread I believed that WoS was more likely to flip mafia than BH. Did that factor into this? Simplest explanation is that Prome believed his case, and his case applies to BH in every game, so BH must be scum in every game, QED the case was wrong, the vote was right. On May 18 2013 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay well this is horseshit and isn't worth bucking the Hiro wagon over. I don't care what your read of Kush is, basing your read of prplhz off your "Hey kush is NULL bitch!" feels does nothing to sway me off Hiro. Keep in mind that adding a new wagon now is a suspicious move regardless of your target anyway - we nolynched after a N0 start with NKs...we're fucking screwed if we nolynch again imo, and that's what this looks like to me. Redeem thyself in mine eyes...or I swear to God I'll scream in this thread until every Hiro voter is on YOU instead. @OO If you want to limit scum between WoS and BH, I'd say BH more likely to flip scum than WoS. This is epic level bad right here and BH isn't bad like this. He's bad in other ways, but.....not like this. Tell me why you think WoS is a better target. Not sure if I answered this VE. I tried like hell to get WoS to commit to a read on you before you showed back up and he wouldn't budge. I didn't even want his vote, I just wanted his read, but he made his movie excuse and left and I was pretty much alone with myself for a little while with a tissue box about it. BH largely ignored everything I wrote too, and I wanted to kill both of them eventually if they were going to continue with that. Like look how WoS was just here, saw that he's got some town credit from BH railing on him for N0/D1 and we're potentially going to ignore him as potential mafia here, so he's not provided anything to us just checked in with the game. I fucking HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT. I get that people are busy, but where's the fresh news? NO THOUGHTS OTHER THAN FUCK YEAH HE WAS RIGHT. Dear WoS, Please give us reads. Please don't make us beg, WoS. Okay, I'm begging. Please give us reads. You know, when you get around to it after the excitement wears off. Love, OO On May 18 2013 08:50 Promethelax wrote: I like the bh lynch. Why? Because he is scum. Last minute switch? I think so. ##unvote ##vote: blazinghand Meta read based on bh being an insufferable ass when scum. I'm out of the thread until after deadline. Make this happen. Pretty sure he was pretty much an insufferable ass in LX as well, at least from memory. Maybe slightly less hostile, but definitely ego/aggression was there, as well as the bullheadedness. An interesting (sole) reason. Also a good move for future vote analysis should the game go on but that may also be taking things to a higher level than I need to be thinking about today. VOTE LIST IN REVIEW Hiro Voters - Voted/stayed: SNB, Prp, sloosh, Kush, grush, VE, WoS + Show Spoiler [my ponts on Prplhz] + On May 19 2013 15:59 ObviousOne wrote: Prplhz On May 18 2013 07:26 Blazinghand wrote: GOD how are all of you SO BLIND. It's like hideously glaringly obvious that prplhz is double scum. It's like i'm the only town player and you're all scum and just fucking with me On May 18 2013 05:53 Blazinghand wrote: i like how you think that anything but voting prplhz wos or OO is a legit thing today 1 mafia 2 town? Standard right? Possibly. Need to think on this, it's possible the entire list was town but there's also the fact that Prplhz still has a 2 page filter on D3. Votes Vayne, leaves. Votes Hiro, leaves. Yeah I can see this being the case. It's not the voting that is scummy, it's how it's done here. Doesn't end up being able to be around to further discuss, as long as he maintains his schedule of appearances there is no way to know whether or not he is or is not available for the last few hours of day cycles. We get two days to discuss who we want to lynch, and he always parks his vote and leaves so it cannot be changed. This increases the chance for no-lynch and mislynch and he literally has an out with "Sorry I wasn't able to be around to change it" which, yes is understandable, no does not change the fact that he could be voting/discussing for the previous 24 hours of the day period and is barely here for that. On May 17 2013 13:21 prplhz wrote: I don't like lynching VisceraEyes at all. VE started the game with a town read on Prplhz, I'm inclined to think Prplhz wanted to keep him as an ally, especially when VE was interested in lynching Vayne and potentially OO + Show Spoiler [points against SNB] + On May 15 2013 18:00 ObviousOne wrote: Earlier in the game I posted that I had some suspicion on SNB for lack of scum hunting. He ended up tunneling Oatsmaster a lot. I still think this is a scumslip: On May 15 2013 06:47 strongandbig wrote: I'm kinda down to lynch OO after that stunt Still rather lynch scum though. Killing oats FTW! His points against Oats: On May 14 2013 07:13 strongandbig wrote: -for oats wanting to kill people with anti town attitudes (i see nothing wrong with oats' opinion on this) -for oats claiming his vote was stolen (he's not hiding information from town, why expose there was a vote steal if his mafia teammate has it?) -for oats using flavor (role name given to player) to determine scumslips (okay that's crazy by oats, but crazy is not alignment indicative for oats lol, and it was an amusing angle in looking at Rayn) -for helping to get a wagon on WOS started (at least spurring the town to action, intent is to get people to take sides on a wagon, progressive move) In short, I find his case/points garbage and I want other people to take a look at him to hear if they think his points are garbage. | ||
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On May 20 2013 18:05 shirokami wrote: Yeah buddy I'm not scum. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sloRzgQ.jpg) On April 14 2013 05:34 Ace wrote: There are 5 Mafia. Their killing power is hidden. | ||
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On May 21 2013 09:33 kushm4sta wrote: mafia comrades (prplz, shiryuken, sloosh, snb), the truce is over. You get lynched next. Also lol I bet I am gonna be nked. look at how the prplhz wagon stopped in its tracks when he martyred but my wagon exploded when i did. nice dichotomy. if you die i'll take up your banner on the crusade for justice. | ||
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On May 20 2013 15:47 kushm4sta wrote: grush57 slOosh kushm4sta strongandbig shirokami VisceraEyes prplhz ObviousOne WaveofShadow Oatsmaster Promethelax sloosh - huge mega case on 3p, very little effort in finding mafia. the post about 3p comes right after a night with no town deaths so i'm led to believe it was constructed with the idea that he 1) as mafia knows the mafia kp 2) saw that the actual kp was higher and 3) bullet did not go thru ergo case on 3p to get rid of threat to his side. snb - heavily interested in lynching prome as soon as it was topical. thinks oats is scum (this is really lol). letting Siri write his posts (LOL AGAIN!) contrast it to how hard he pushed for lynches on known townies / your town reads. shiro - refuses to participate in the scum hunting, defensive about his posting but not proactive about anything at all. hiding. prplhz - "AMA" is not proactive, playing reactive / "by-ear" is scummy IMO. most recently his wagon went nowhere after his martyring, nobody called him scummy for it (i didn't, handily enough i was the litmus test for whether or not people would jump on scum for it and you saw how differently people reacted when I did it versus when prp did it) it's a fucking slam dunk | ||
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On May 21 2013 21:00 kushm4sta wrote: new plan actually let's lynch VE for being inactive and lynch oats and WoS for being dirty spammers. lylo shmylo we gotta clean this game up before we have a chance at lynching scum. Tell me about Oats. I'll tell you about VE. Next person that isn't us who talks better be talking about WoS. | ||
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The initial push on WoS On May 13 2013 23:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I kinda want to kill rayne for thinking I was scum in LXI, but I'll read his filter and decide for real I guess. OO feels town to me (he's a lurky scum player) but I'll have a look for science. But as luck would have it, WoS was the first person I noticed people talking about and WoS was the first person I looked into. Facts:
There's some stank in his posting, which makes me rest a little easier, but frankly I'm not sure what to expect from a scumWoS in that regard. I think he's scummy and can kill him today. ##Vote: WaveofShadow Breakdown of his list:
WoS is mafia because he's trolly and joking about being mafia. How is this different from what Mr. Cheesecake did in LXI? It's not vastly different, and I don't recall VE calling CC uberscum for it in that game. They buddied up after it. Conclusion: Voting WoS for bullshit reasons. First vote, forgivable for early game I suppose. Not necessarily alignment indicative to be voting for WoS D1. Suspicion of Oats On May 14 2013 00:26 VisceraEyes wrote: @Oats Look bandwagons happen bra. If a scum is caught by 1 thing he does, there's not going to be 9 unique reasons for voting for the scum. It's D1 sir, and the game just started. Allow me to flip the script on you for a second Oats...I don't like you defending Wave so passively. It comes across as you having more information than me because you aren't explaining why you don't like my reasoning or why you think I'm wrong. You're just throwing shit on me (calling my vote bandwagony) and it stinks. ##FoS Oats Oats was voting for WoS. VE votes for WoS. Oats doesn't like it. VE interprets this as shitty. Remember though what Oats said he wanted to do earlier in the thread: On May 13 2013 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I say at the start of the day. Everyone ##Vote: SOMEONE then the person with the majority in any way gets to fight for their life. Sounds like a great idea right? YEAH  I think this can potentially be read as Oats saying to VE "get your own scum read" but I'm putting my words into Oats' mouth with this, so I'll stop there and let Oats clarify it. Conclusion: It's actually interesting that Oats called VE out for voting for his own scum read or was WoS not actually a scum read for Oats and rather an arbitrary (or perhaps NOT so arbitrarily chosen) scum read. VE and Oats probably not both mafia, this is genuine sounding enough to be coming from a town VE standpoint since it's essentially ludicrous that Oats would call someone out for voting for his own scum read. Oats being random does not necessarily mean Oats being town. Town read on BH On May 14 2013 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm reading BH as town presently. His bravado and air of confidence (whether feigned or not) reminds me more of LX when he was town than it does of his more recent "The Game" where he tried to emulate it as scum. It feels like real certainty that he's found scum, and I think it's genuine. That being said, I think I disagree with his target as Wave is starting to look better. BH's last point about him taking a meta-read a step too far, THAT I feel like is reaching. Look at the context of the statement in question. He jokingly asked BH if he remembered a quote he made in a different game when he was scum. He didn't put it in his case as a specific reasoning for finding BH scummy, it felt like a footnote on his post. @BH I think maybe we're barking up the wrong tree with Wave here. What do you think about VayneAuthority? His most recent vote on prplhz based on him greeting Kita is pretty weaksauce and the rest of his filter is equally lackluster. I'ma vote him. Giving BH a town read based on BH's tunnel. Mafia VE probably wouldn't give town reads so handily to his scum team, he is more likely to cast doubt on them (so as to appear his paranoid self) than to agree with them openly, but theoretically other people he disagreed with would potentially be those who he has cast doubt on if he was giving the mafia thread-presence/voice a town read. Subject to individual interpretation, I guess? Vote for Vayne: townie enough, I did the same once I figured out what Vayne's case on prp was. In the general overview of game, essentially this boils down to VE (and myself) defending Prplhz. Scummy now that Prp is a scum read, at the time it was OK. Mafia VE potentially defending TWO mafia at this point with town reads? Possibly. Best explanation is he thought Vayne was legitimately making a scummy case. Vote for OO: thread sentiment matching, makes me out to be some kind of mafia mastermind, begs for forgiveness later. I will let the reader judge that because bias. On May 17 2013 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote. But something about it. Like look at this post: Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is." UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD.  ##Summon: Promethelax ##Summon: Blazinghand ##Summon: slOosh You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one. Defense of Shiro??? Okay, that's three scum up to this point he's defended. Either he's mafia angling for the perfect game up to this point or just finding himself in the worst possible situation ever, when looked at from this point of the game. Later on... On May 19 2013 19:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax' deathwish was for WaveofShadow's head on a pole. Just sayin. If we're respecting the dead, we gotta RESPECT the dead. For whatever reason he felt more strongly about Wave before he died than he did about prplhz...and I was townie on prplhz when Vivax was calling for his lynch sooo...I don't know about invoking Vivax in that way. So do we respect the dead or do we not? Only when it's convenient? First post in about 2 days and he doesn't even deliver. On May 21 2013 12:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys. I'm catching up. Couldn't help but notice Prom was lynched...that came out of nowhere. Jesus. He wants me to think he's scum. HE WANTS IT. What I think Okay, so mash all of this together. - Voting for WoS for mostly bullshit reasons, which is forgivable early in the first day. Drawing associations with flipped players that are rather convenient, no consideration for thinking one step ahead (aka Kita was killed to implicate WoS or w/e in his arguments). Town for when it occurs, red for how it's done. I award no points either way. - On that same token calling out Oats for being casting doubt on him for also voting for WoS. Oats correctly calling him out for a BS case on WoS without directly saying it that way. From this I wager both are probably not scum together for now. Townie response. - The only provable defense of mafia is his town read on BH. That makes him wrong if he's town. That makes him defending potentially the only mafia town leadership in the thread if he's scum. Pushing for a perfect game or just not reading deeply into meta? Probably the first from how the game has been going. - His push on OO for being so good at playing as scum that OO could resort to martyring to get himself almost lynched in a grand setup where he would know that not enough people would be around to hammer him that late into the day and use that against him the next day when no hammer dropped. - Lacking the distinct thread presence and interaction of what is normally seen from a town VE. He has moments of it, but either he can't be around to do it because work or whatever or he's burned out on trying because he's mafia. Either way this is typically an indicator to his alignment so I'll give him scum points for it at this point. I'm seeing a trend in color, here... | ||
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On May 21 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote: um refreshing is hard. I dont think that VE is scum. No. Explain it like this is my first mafia game ever. | ||
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No. VE do not respond to this until oats talks. | ||
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On May 13 2013 18:20 ObviousOne wrote: Sloosh will lurk if he's scum. Gonna be skurred. Much like my scum play. At no point this game did I think to myself "wow sloosh is oozing towniness". Shit even in the caller game it was blatantly obvious he was town. Making a case on 3p is safe for scum to do, which explains his vociferous exposé on Prome on top of having all of the necessary information to make that case stick. He outed himself as mafia. | ||
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