Newbie Mini Mafia XLI - Page 23

On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote:
@spicy
Alright, good job on the targe hunch spicy. I'm not entirely sure you're dead next but there's probably a good chance. Time to turn things around while we still can.

@vayne
I've reread vayne's filter and changed my mind. I don't think he's played a very good game and he's said a lot of things that can be individually considered scummy, like his vague active lurking/'stalling for time' posts to start the game:

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Then there was his insistence on withholding information (you realize when you don't share reads thats 3 mafia you're denying and 8 other towns... 8 seems more important 3...) but that's been mentioned a lot already. There is also the continued mention of a no-lynch and that has been discussed already as well. The no-lynch seems to come from his past experiences and he feels that it would genuinely help town.

So even though there are all these individuals things I don't like about his play, I fail to see an overall scummy motivation in his actions as a whole. He made the targe case a while ago and was pushing his read there. I don't really see why scum would pressure targe back then so I can't really imagine that he would be making that case so early if he weren't town. This kind of clears him in my eyes for now. casey also seems to have tried to build a case on you so this can further confirm you I think.

my scum team
Regarding my scum team - I previously had sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other (likely casey or targe I said). I really thought shiro was going to flip red because he was so scummy, which made me feel like a targe + casey team was unlikely because shiro was higher on the priority list and the team was full. Now than he flipped as terribletown I think casey and targe make a lot more sense. I'll revise my scumteam now to targe, sugarfluff, and casey.

casey and targe interaction
I've thought casey has had bad posting but seemed to be making a genuine effort at some point. I was waiting for him to improve and he just hasn't and the clocks struck midnight for me. The newbiness and language make it tougher to interpret his true motives and I've probably given him the benefit of the doubt too long as a result. I do think it's striking that they fail to give opinions on each other.

What bothers me is similar to what spicy has brought - promising to give reads and then just never delivering. Its excuse after excuse similar to shirokami, just no useful contributions.

He seems to be pointing the finger at sugarfluff now - maybe he's doing this so sugar looks better when casey flips red?

sugarfluff
I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions.

roleblocker?
Also, if we can trust shiro saying he was roleblocked then this would suggest there is a roleblocker amongst the remaining players? I'm not really sure if we can use this information to our benefit since it may not be true.

In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT.

On May 10 2013 21:29 eSpi.Casey wrote:

Give me a break..I said i would give a read on targe&vayne, but i diddent have enough time before the lynch, i told this and said i would wait until i had better time. Now you want to vote for me cause you diddent get that read in time, and cause i never voted for Targe ? Obvious i diddent vote for him cause i havent done a good read on him yet, iv done reading on other`s, and i think i was pretty active on D2 with many post`s and read`s, but i was focusing alot on Jrkirby, to much i guess. If you filter me you will see i have stated my reason`s for why i voted like i did. I will filter Sugar and comeback with my read`s on him later today.

On May 11 2013 01:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
Alright so this is how were gonna do this. Everyone needs to claim right now what role they are. I am curious if there's any more PR roles out there as that would make this a lot easier. We know we had a vig and the cop so thats 2 and there is 3 mafia so if you are a PR speak up now.

I am just normal town.

On May 10 2013 11:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im leaning towards lynching sugarfluff due to him and espi.casey being the common denominator in both bad lynches and something feels off about him going through his filler.

On May 11 2013 03:29 calgar wrote:
Is there any reason you're leaning towards sugarfluff over casey right now?

On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote:

I have one question for everyone, its just for my personal interest. When you guys do filter reading&scum hunt, how long time do you use to make an post with an ok length and content ? I find myself spening alot of time when i try filter reading someone, and i only manage to focus on one person at the time, reading trough his post over and over again to find reason`s for that person being scummy or not. I probably spend 1 hour if i make imo, a good post&content. I read&understand english well, i struggle with some words, but all in all i dont think i misunderstand anything. Is it like this for you aswell ( not about the language, but the rest ) Il check in here tonight again when i get home, read the posts and my read`s will come in good time as promised.

On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote:
@sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now.

What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does.

On May 06 2013 06:34 calgar wrote:

I'm still not impressed with your posting sugarfluff. I understand you may or may not have known but that kind of tactic is something mafia like to do in order to be less threatening and noticed. I'd like to see you be more committed in taking a stand and outlining your reads. You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in?

On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote:

@sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you.

I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot.

You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy.

So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions?

On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote:
sugarfluff
I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions.

On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:

So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies.


Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange.

They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions.

On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason.

On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote:
@casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads.

I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him.

On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote:

In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT.

On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote:

Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon.

On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote:

Im leaning vs sugarfluff as my most scummy read right now, but that being said, i need more time to read more filter`s. And right now i dont have that time, its weekend, im on my way out the door to a friend`s birthday party, i realize its not ideal, but i will post my read`s on calgar&sugar in good time before the lynch, and try to answear for me as good as i can, i really dont have time to even post this, but i think its sad how this game turned out with inactive player`s and i try to do as good i can to not be one of them.

On May 11 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
Before I can even talk about analysis we need Espi.casey and Sugarfluff to roleclaim. the level of inactivity in this game was pretty absurd, its like people thought the game is over after the first day lol. I dont understand what happened to half the players

On May 07 2013 03:54 Targe wrote:
Analysis time,

jrkirby:

Your posts are kind of meh, you have your 'Casey, shirokami, nobody' post which is ok, but I can't see how you put shirokami as scum, he's certainly not got the best filter but he isn't giving of major mafia vibes. The entire idea of this post seems to be that you think they are distancing themselves from each other yet you seem to ignore the possibility that they are actually three separate players, not a team.

All your other posts are very short, generally 1 or 2 liners, not good. You're coming off as one of the more scummy ones here.

nobodywonder:

Your filter is better, you post actively and aren't afraid to question people and put forward arguments, although you did get a little erratic at times.

Not much more to say, I have a null read on you at the moment.

VayneAuthority:

Well, you're getting a lot of heat for doing shit like not explaining reasons and going for a no lynch, which was just a bad idea. Your post history isn't the best but I think you're just some strange town that does things his own way, I I'll hold out until day 2 when you may give us some information.

Seriously, you need to speak up.

shiromaki:

man, you lurked way to much d1, when you came in you started some talking which is good but it still wasn't really close to what I was expecting to hear, still holding judgement but at the moment you just look like some scummy town.

Sugarfluff:

Your filter is really not very good, you really don't have many posts at all, the majority of them were concerning Vayne, which is a common topic and a relatively easy way of getting out of lurking without posting too much original content. Your entire post concerning Calgar and kirby relies on them being scumbuddies, what read do you have on them as individuals?

SpicyDinosaur:

You posted some bland stuff at the beginning about lurkers, like quite a few of us, then you focus on me because I vote Jarjar when trying to get him to post and that is about the basis of your argument. More stuff on vayne, blah blah, then we get to your replies to Hydra's post, Hydra to me had one of the best analysis posts yet and you slam it, saying it's off the rails completely, he put some excellent points into his analysis of you and I agree with him, you come off as scummy under analysis.

I'll do some more of you guys when I get the chance, I only have a short time in which I can write lengthier posts like this as I'm relatively busy.