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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 07:15 GMT
#461
And I'm gonna go on the record and say I'm a little salty we didn't get more Prom tonight.
Artanis & marv
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 13 2013 07:17 GMT
#462
On April 13 2013 16:15 FiveTouch wrote:
And I'm gonna go on the record and say I'm a little salty we didn't get more Prom tonight.

BOLD STATEMENT
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 07:18 GMT
#463
In closing:

Kill JohnMatrix. They don't care about finding scum. They only care about lying about nuking townies.

See you tomorrow thread.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 07:20 GMT
#464
Yam your headphones came unplugged could you turn down the sarcasm?

Earlier when I called you out for your "contextless questions" I was attributing his play to you. I wanted more out of Prom because his initial flurry of questions were focusless, led nowhere and did nothing. I'm suspicious of him and want him in the thread explaining his shit. That bold enough for you?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 07:21 GMT
#465
Anyways, night for realz guys.
Artanis & marv
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 13 2013 07:23 GMT
#466
On April 13 2013 16:20 FiveTouch wrote:
Yam your headphones came unplugged could you turn down the sarcasm?

Earlier when I called you out for your "contextless questions" I was attributing his play to you. I wanted more out of Prom because his initial flurry of questions were focusless, led nowhere and did nothing. I'm suspicious of him and want him in the thread explaining his shit. That bold enough for you?

It was a joke, bro.

I agree, actually.
MockArmor
Profile Joined April 2013
Vatican City State88 Posts
April 13 2013 07:24 GMT
#467
On April 13 2013 16:01 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...

For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...

1)As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. 2)So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:

But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. [b]3[/bAs scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.

[b]4[/b##FoS: Shotgun


That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with?

The logic in this post:
1) I have a town-read you don't understand
2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me
3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave.
4) Therefore... I'm suspicious?

What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis.

Who's posting here? Is this GK?


Calling a dude that buddied you town (with such weak reasoning) is a way to buddy him back in my eyes. I was hoping for some kind of elaboration, like "From all the play I've seen from wave I believe he would be too timid to make a list of names as scum." Or whatever specific meta-reason it may be (like more specific than what you've said...). With hopefully a prior game link or two to show it. Because I'm not privy to this meta-reason that you seem to be. List posts are kinda really easy to make regardless of alignment... I really don't follow how you can have decided the guy was town based off what you've presented here in thread.
Mocsta + GoodKarma
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 13 2013 07:25 GMT
#468
No typos, almost certainly not Mocsta.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 07:29 GMT
#469
On April 13 2013 16:24 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 16:01 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...

For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...

1)As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. 2)So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:

But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. [b]3[/bAs scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.

[b]4[/b##FoS: Shotgun


That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with?

The logic in this post:
1) I have a town-read you don't understand
2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me
3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave.
4) Therefore... I'm suspicious?

What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis.

Who's posting here? Is this GK?


Calling a dude that buddied you town (with such weak reasoning) is a way to buddy him back in my eyes. I was hoping for some kind of elaboration, like "From all the play I've seen from wave I believe he would be too timid to make a list of names as scum." Or whatever specific meta-reason it may be (like more specific than what you've said...). With hopefully a prior game link or two to show it. Because I'm not privy to this meta-reason that you seem to be. List posts are kinda really easy to make regardless of alignment... I really don't follow how you can have decided the guy was town based off what you've presented here in thread.


Well I don't think it's weak. I think it shows a light-hearted mentality that's hard to fake as scum, and it's uncannily observant for something that could be a "mafia-joke". Of course that doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore everything he says right now and treat him like auto-town, but I like the mentality behind that post.

As for a meta reason, I'd kinda expect a newer scum-player (WoS hasn't played as mafia to my knowledge) to be a lot more uptight and serious. Instead he comes in joking, and that goes at odds with my expectations of his scum-play.

As for "buddying," how is that at all a heuristic for catching scum? I talk to newbies about not making reads based on that kinda stuff, and I see you doing it.

So who is posting here? GK?

Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 07:30 GMT
#470
As for Palmar/DP, not convinced yet. Palmar is being Palmar, and while DP's activity leaves me a bit wanting, that's about all I can say about him.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 07:34 GMT
#471
On April 13 2013 08:58 John Matrix wrote:
ok I just got modconfirmed town so my work here is done. Syllo will explain why I'm confirmed tomorrow. If he doesn't he's scum.

See you, I'm gonna go watch the watchmen again.

Because most* hosts are terrible** and only make jokes and interact with players who are town. This literally happens every game.

*everyone except you
**no offense intended
MockArmor
Profile Joined April 2013
Vatican City State88 Posts
April 13 2013 07:36 GMT
#472
On April 13 2013 16:09 FiveTouch wrote:
How about the weak +1 to Yam Suspicion and never following up on it? That doesn't strike you as "scum motivated" in spite of having weak +1 suspicion of me too? Lots of weak +1 posts is no longer a valid scum tell around here?



Perhaps I've set the bar a bit low since my last game with DP. I mean, the guy didn't really seem to jump in (in The Game) until VE came at him, and the way he responded really felt like some kind of scum emotional OMGUS response at the time (when he was actually town)... From my experience, town DP does have more balls though, so I would agree that meta-argument supports the theory of a scum DP.

But in general: being wishy washy, while scummy, is definitely something town does too. I remember soooo many townies in past games that behaved like that. Hence why I asked about scum motivation, as in what specific scum agenda would he be pushing? They are different, non-interchangable terms to me.
Mocsta + GoodKarma
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 07:51 GMT
#473
How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
April 13 2013 07:51 GMT
#474
On April 13 2013 16:29 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 16:24 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 16:01 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...

For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...

1)As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. 2)So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:

But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. 3[/bAs scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.

4[/b##FoS: Shotgun


That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with?

The logic in this post:
1) I have a town-read you don't understand
2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me
3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave.
4) Therefore... I'm suspicious?

What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis.

Who's posting here? Is this GK?


Calling a dude that buddied you town (with such weak reasoning) is a way to buddy him back in my eyes. I was hoping for some kind of elaboration, like "From all the play I've seen from wave I believe he would be too timid to make a list of names as scum." Or whatever specific meta-reason it may be (like more specific than what you've said...). With hopefully a prior game link or two to show it. Because I'm not privy to this meta-reason that you seem to be. List posts are kinda really easy to make regardless of alignment... I really don't follow how you can have decided the guy was town based off what you've presented here in thread.


Well I don't think it's weak. I think it shows a light-hearted mentality that's hard to fake as scum, and it's uncannily observant for something that could be a "mafia-joke". Of course that doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore everything he says right now and treat him like auto-town, but I like the mentality behind that post.

As for a meta reason, I'd kinda expect a newer scum-player (WoS hasn't played as mafia to my knowledge) to be a lot more uptight and serious. Instead he comes in joking, and that goes at odds with my expectations of his scum-play.

As for "buddying," how is that at all a heuristic for catching scum? I talk to newbies about not making reads based on that kinda stuff, and I see you doing it.

So who is posting here? GK?




I didn't go back and check until just now, but this from a much older game (LVII) was what was in my mind.:

[B]On September 05 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 09:51 BlackMamba24 wrote:
GoodKarma - are you going to vote for mattchew right now?

GoodKarma is scum for this reason - he says that mattchew is confirmed scum but then doesn't vote for him and tries to push suspicion onto me instead, appeals to BC (buddying up to a vet, classic newbie scum)

basically the same as treehugger or whoever in tl mafia xxx who says "yeah youngminii is scum for sure but im not gonna vote for him and instead make a case on this random dude"


The strange thing is that he buddied up to [b]me and not to BC. Hell it's pretty clear from his post that he didn't read the thread, given his stances on Grush and lvdr.


Seems you didn't directly implicate it as a scumtell, but you had no problem with it either...


But that was a much better explanation. Thank you.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
April 13 2013 07:53 GMT
#475
On April 13 2013 16:25 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No typos, almost certainly not Mocsta.


This.
MockArmor
Profile Joined April 2013
Vatican City State88 Posts
April 13 2013 07:58 GMT
#476
For filter... Playing a hydra is hard

On April 13 2013 16:51 goodkarma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 16:29 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 16:24 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 16:01 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...

For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...

1)As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. 2)So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:

But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. 3[/bAs scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.

4[/b##FoS: Shotgun


That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with?

The logic in this post:
1) I have a town-read you don't understand
2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me
3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave.
4) Therefore... I'm suspicious?

What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis.

Who's posting here? Is this GK?


Calling a dude that buddied you town (with such weak reasoning) is a way to buddy him back in my eyes. I was hoping for some kind of elaboration, like "From all the play I've seen from wave I believe he would be too timid to make a list of names as scum." Or whatever specific meta-reason it may be (like more specific than what you've said...). With hopefully a prior game link or two to show it. Because I'm not privy to this meta-reason that you seem to be. List posts are kinda really easy to make regardless of alignment... I really don't follow how you can have decided the guy was town based off what you've presented here in thread.


Well I don't think it's weak. I think it shows a light-hearted mentality that's hard to fake as scum, and it's uncannily observant for something that could be a "mafia-joke". Of course that doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore everything he says right now and treat him like auto-town, but I like the mentality behind that post.

As for a meta reason, I'd kinda expect a newer scum-player (WoS hasn't played as mafia to my knowledge) to be a lot more uptight and serious. Instead he comes in joking, and that goes at odds with my expectations of his scum-play.

As for "buddying," how is that at all a heuristic for catching scum? I talk to newbies about not making reads based on that kinda stuff, and I see you doing it.

So who is posting here? GK?




I didn't go back and check until just now, but this from a much older game (LVII) was what was in my mind.:

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2012 09:51 BlackMamba24 wrote:
GoodKarma - are you going to vote for mattchew right now?

GoodKarma is scum for this reason - he says that mattchew is confirmed scum but then doesn't vote for him and tries to push suspicion onto me instead, appeals to BC (buddying up to a vet, classic newbie scum)

basically the same as treehugger or whoever in tl mafia xxx who says "yeah youngminii is scum for sure but im not gonna vote for him and instead make a case on this random dude"


The strange thing is that he buddied up to me and not to BC. Hell it's pretty clear from his post that he didn't read the thread, given his stances on Grush and lvdr.


Seems you didn't directly implicate it as a scumtell, but you had no problem with it either...


But that was a much better explanation. Thank you.


[B]On April 13 2013 16:53 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On April 13 2013 16:25 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No typos, almost certainly not Mocsta.


This.

Mocsta + GoodKarma
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 08:14 GMT
#477
After spending an hour skimming Vivax filter's in Personality 2 and Mafia LIX, I agree on Yamatos point. He does kinda have the habbit of jumping into tunnel based on one thing. I can see a town Vivax trying to get rid of this habbit and thus doubting his reads.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 08:15 GMT
#478
On April 13 2013 15:32 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 14:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Also is that the only question you have? I find it hard to believe that the entire body of your thoughts hinge on the answer to that question.

The disappointing aspect of the game is that we have a bunch of people waiting for better scumhunters to "carry" them. And yet, their lack of participation makes it that much harder to find scum (like half the people in the game, so they can't all be scum...).

At the time of this post the game had been going on for less than 8 hours; did you genuinely find the thread worse than usual and their posting indicative of them waiting for others to "carry" them? Can you make a list of players (should be easy since you suggested that there were many) who you thought were doing this? You named one, but that was just a person who prima facie left due to time zone constraints.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 08:30 GMT
#479
Palmar any thoughts on WaveOfCheesecake?
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 13 2013 08:37 GMT
#480
Is the person posting Sandro or Syllo?
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