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SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 08:44 GMT
#481
It's Syllogism. Did you the answer in some way informative?
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 13 2013 08:46 GMT
#482
On April 13 2013 17:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Palmar any thoughts on WaveOfCheesecake?

Syllo asking this question is a town tell.

Carry on.
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 13 2013 08:52 GMT
#483
Also,

I wouldn't mind your read on the VE/Marv head, since you should know quite a bit about them.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 09:03 GMT
#484
It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 09:12 GMT
#485
On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now.

Who do you think is the priority right now?
Hapahauli/jampidampi
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 09:31 GMT
#486
On April 13 2013 18:12 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now.

Who do you think is the priority right now?

Players who haven't by the time of lynch produced meaningful content despite being here and the game being a hydra game. In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.

WaveOfCheesecake's has a bunch of fluff, but also a few serious posts that don't give me the impression of a curious townie. His read on you somewhat point towards the other way though regardless of your alignment.
SamuelLJackson
Profile Joined December 2011
223 Posts
April 13 2013 10:30 GMT
#487
On April 13 2013 10:12 VIVAX420 wrote:
@hapa only one of those were me.. the all caps one lol. I'd prob think vivax was scum if I wasn't hydrad with him. I guess that is just his playstyle though.

I'm serious though you can't be on hapa that is a violation of the rules I think.

This feels a bit off. Why do you say that? It doesn't seem to indicate a mindset of a town hydra. When you know someone's alignment this kind of thought isn't very likely to cross your mind, unless it's a more defensive response, indicative of guilt. What about vivax's posts did you find suspicious, even knowing his alignment?
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 11:35 GMT
#488
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 19:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 10:12 VIVAX420 wrote:
@hapa only one of those were me.. the all caps one lol. I'd prob think vivax was scum if I wasn't hydrad with him. I guess that is just his playstyle though.

I'm serious though you can't be on hapa that is a violation of the rules I think.

This feels a bit off. Why do you say that? It doesn't seem to indicate a mindset of a town hydra. When you know someone's alignment this kind of thought isn't very likely to cross your mind, unless it's a more defensive response, indicative of guilt. What about vivax's posts did you find suspicious, even knowing his alignment?


Don't worry, I'm already taking care of that in the hydra qt+ Show Spoiler +
Kush and Vivax
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 11:36 GMT
#489
Glad to see VE is throwing around votes in my absence. I'm not really sure what the vote on John Matrix is doing, Palmar in particular will (hopefully) contribute given time, and when he does I think I'll be able to read him. Mostly I'm hoping DP isn't gonna go "lol i'm with palmar i do what i like", because I get that sense a bit. Friendly prod, dear.

I went from mafia to silly-town on Hapa over the course of some posts last night, Hapa seemed to get a bit more reasonable even if my better half continued to provoke him a little, so we'll see where he goes from here.

On April 13 2013 07:56 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 07:53 FiveTouch wrote:
Bitch please. We're gonna be lynched D2 because scum are going to leave us alive N1 regardless of the fact that we're gonna eviscerate scum D1, but it's cool because the second scum will be right behind us.


you scared of dying?


VE was right earlier in the day about Prome, his joke posts were tryhard and I don't understand at all what point he's trying to get at here. If we are indeed mafia, what kind of magical response is he expecting to elicit that will help confirm/deny this read? Anyways, I could kill him for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: FondleMyButtocks


~marv

Artanis & marv
FondleMyButtocks
Profile Joined April 2013
38 Posts
April 13 2013 11:38 GMT
#490
yo, that question was from phags not me. I'm just finished catching up. Big post incoming.

p
Blazinghand and Phagga
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 11:41 GMT
#491
I agree with having everyone nuke themselves.
Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea.

JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra.

So I wan't to lynch into these guys
Fivetouch (maybe)

MockArmor (Goodkarma/Mocsta)
Came in the thread, not talking about any of the important stuff. Happy to remain behind the scenes.

FondleMyButtocks (Promethelax/phagga)
joking then lurking

Raynmaster (Oatsmaster/Raynpelikoneet)
no content so far

WaveofCheesecake (WaveOfShadow + Mr.Cheesecake)
joking then lurking pretty heavily. He has tried to contribute since then but nothing he has said inspires a town read.

NeutralSrvivngBalrog (Drazerk/Strongandbig)
total lurker

-kush
Kush and Vivax
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 11:42 GMT
#492
On April 13 2013 20:41 VIVAX420 wrote:
I agree with having everyone nuke themselves.
Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea.

JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra.

-kush


kush, please explain to me why you believe JM to be 95% town.

~marv
Artanis & marv
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 11:46 GMT
#493
I think MA and FT look townie actually. Yamato seems to have gotten more reasonable which is a town tell, that leaves Hapa for me as scummy candidate.

Review of WoC, NSB and FMB pending. Waiting for Oats + Rayn to post, Oats is kinda active as town, I think.

##Unvote


-Vivax
Kush and Vivax
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 13 2013 11:48 GMT
#494
Not-So-Nuclear Vote Count:

John Matrix (1): InsertSmurfHere
MockArmor (1): WaveofCheesecake
ShotgunBiceps (1): John Matrix
FondleMyButtocks (1): FiveTouch

Not Voting (6): MockArmor, FondleMyButtocks, SamuelLJackson, Raynmaster, NeutralSrvivngBalrog, ShotgunBiceps, Vivax420

Message if wrong, 6 needed for lynch etc etc
A backwards poet writes inverse.
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 13 2013 11:48 GMT
#495
What marv asked, that's really strange.

Also gj marv, I was about to yell at VE for being bad/scum.
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 13 2013 11:50 GMT
#496
Also after playing with Mocsta in other games I'm slightly concerned about his level of involvement here.

I don't expect to read filters until tonight.
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 11:50 GMT
#497
I disagreed with kush on the mod thing confirming JM as town initially. But I've also thought a little about it and came to the conclusion that a host wouldn't show so obviously that it was a fakeclaim, if the launcher was mafia.
It's very hypothetical but I can also see where he comes from with that explanation.
Kush and Vivax
FondleMyButtocks
Profile Joined April 2013
38 Posts
April 13 2013 11:51 GMT
#498
On April 13 2013 10:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 10:08 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:
As for conclusions from this whole escapade, I'm pretty sure Yamato is town. Not sure what to think about VE yet, but I don't think my current line of questioning will go anywhere to figure it out.

In all seriousness, I don't have a gut-town read on VE, which I usually do when he's scum, so he's probably not posting to "appease" the town.

Wow this stinks of obligatory too. Like "Oh shit, I posted without drawing any conclusions that might come off poorly, better go draw some conclusions without drawing any conclusions"

I'm actually interested now Hapa, you drew me into this "1 on 1 pow wow" and now you just wanna slink away now that we're rapping? Doesn't jive my friend, and most certainly doesn't compute. Give me your thoughts on Vivax sir. He's got his fingers in both pies right now, and I'd like to know where you think he's coming from. I think maybe he's scum rooting for just any ol' townie to get lynched. You?


Well I beat you to Kush (pretty sure vivax hasn't posted yet). He felt very uninvolved in the conversation and posting out of obligation rather than anything.

As far as my own "obligatory" post, think of them as my notes. I'm just parsing through what just happened and drawing conclusions (even if obvious).

Out of that whole thing, the two people that catch my eye the most are the Kush/Vivax hydra and the Prome/Phagga hydra. The Prome one because his early-game seemed a bit off. Early-D1 trolling caveats and whatnot, but some of the questions he asks are literally pointless and seem like he's posting for the sake of posting:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 08:19 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
wat?

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 08:18 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
On April 13 2013 08:13 VIVAX420 wrote:
On April 13 2013 08:11 Hapahauli wrote:
On April 13 2013 08:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
On April 13 2013 08:05 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Well anyway Vivax, was that a complete joke, or do you have a semblance of a town-read on marv? Too early to tell for me, but I'm curious to hear your own thoughts.


Complete joke.


Is this kush or vivax?


It's much more than that.


wait theres only one of you?

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm off to work. I'll not just post in quotes when I get back. I can't way much about anything but asskicking with these


Him excusing himself to work also seems unnecessary and like he's very conscious about his own image/absence.

bro, I always do that bro. You know this.

Also "wait theres only one of you?" was the best DN quote for this game and I never thought I would get a chance to use it. Duke Nukem Hydra game requires that quote.

On April 13 2013 16:15 FiveTouch wrote:
And I'm gonna go on the record and say I'm a little salty we didn't get more Prom tonight.


Sorry man I was at work. Ask Oats, he stalks me. He knows when i work. I'm here now though its 8:30 in the morning for me and I've been up for a while now. You can go fondle my buttocks.

On April 13 2013 17:14 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
After spending an hour skimming Vivax filter's in Personality 2 and Mafia LIX, I agree on Yamatos point. He does kinda have the habbit of jumping into tunnel based on one thing. I can see a town Vivax trying to get rid of this habbit and thus doubting his reads.


I would like to add to this. Vivax has recently been working on improving his town play and making himself less of an insanity. Look at his Ghor smurf where he very clearly tried (and succeeded) to become a reasonable player.

On April 13 2013 12:03 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683&currentpage=15#299

Regarding Yamato's Case

Bascically three points:
1) I buddied him
2) I'm "trying too hard" to buddy him
3) BS case on VE

In order...


1) Buddying is a mischaracterization of my goals. I just tried to strike up a conversation with the first person I saw in the thread, which happened to be the geript-half of the hydra.

Secondly, the logic of "buddying the hydra" doesn't really hold, since you are both separate entities. Me getting on good terms with geript does nothing to influence your opinion or view of me. And with all respect to geript, there are plenty of better players to buddy in this game if I were scum :3

2) As far as me "trying really hard" - it's silly early Day 1 talk. Though the read on gerpit at the time was genuine, since he seemed to be taking certain posts more seriously than they were intended, and seemed very earnest in doing so. Case in point:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 08:03 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
On April 13 2013 08:00 VIVAX420 wrote:
Marv is town, VE not so sure.

That was a quick pronouncement... Why you think that? Why you reading them differently when they're one head?


3) The whole "case on VE" thing has been beaten to death. The basic point is that I thought VE was scummy at the time. As far as "hapa can't be this bad", I kinda do this all the time as town. If you don't believe me, DP and Prome can attest to my early Day 1 tunnels.


Attesting brother!


=========================================================================================

Okay, that was the things I wanted to reply to.

For now I have a few decent town reads. And some early suspicions. And a plan.

ATTENTION TOWN
this is the plan.
We get everyone with a nuke to claim that they have it.
"Why would we do that?" I hear you ask. We would do it to ensure that scum with a nuke (which based on the balance for this game is almost assured to exist) must claim it today if he wants to use it. On top of that NO ONE SHOULD FIRE A NUKE EVER! we have three mislynches in this set-up and I'm confident in our powers of intuition. Our scum hunting AS A UNIT is good enough to catch all the scum. We don't want any single player being a fool and ruining this town with their power role and we want to force all scum to not use their kp powers.
So, in conclusion we should
1) force everyone with a nuke to claim and
2) policy lynch anyone who uses a nuke

=========================================================================================

besides those things I'm talking to Phagga right now. I'll publish either a case or at least the target of our case when we are done chatting.
Blazinghand and Phagga
FondleMyButtocks
Profile Joined April 2013
38 Posts
April 13 2013 11:52 GMT
#499
On April 13 2013 20:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Glad to see VE is throwing around votes in my absence. I'm not really sure what the vote on John Matrix is doing, Palmar in particular will (hopefully) contribute given time, and when he does I think I'll be able to read him. Mostly I'm hoping DP isn't gonna go "lol i'm with palmar i do what i like", because I get that sense a bit. Friendly prod, dear.

I went from mafia to silly-town on Hapa over the course of some posts last night, Hapa seemed to get a bit more reasonable even if my better half continued to provoke him a little, so we'll see where he goes from here.

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 07:56 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
On April 13 2013 07:53 FiveTouch wrote:
Bitch please. We're gonna be lynched D2 because scum are going to leave us alive N1 regardless of the fact that we're gonna eviscerate scum D1, but it's cool because the second scum will be right behind us.


you scared of dying?


VE was right earlier in the day about Prome, his joke posts were tryhard and I don't understand at all what point he's trying to get at here. If we are indeed mafia, what kind of magical response is he expecting to elicit that will help confirm/deny this read? Anyways, I could kill him for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: FondleMyButtocks


~marv



Just for the sake of clarity, that question was mine, and so was this one:

On April 13 2013 07:47 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
so many towns in this game, I wonder where scum is?


-phagga
Blazinghand and Phagga
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 11:53 GMT
#500
I've only read GK so far I think. Mocsta posted from main acc, retracting my gut-town-read until I read properly, actually.
Kush and Vivax
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