Newbie Mafia XL

On March 30 2013 00:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wtb 16 players. Or 25. Madness!

On March 30 2013 11:57 Rainbows wrote:
/in

On April 04 2013 03:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Hai folks, reporting in as town coach for this fine game! Townies and blue roles, feel free to PM me (on TL.net or #tlmafia IRC) for coaching and advice.

Coaching can either be done by PM or on a private QuickTopic thread - let me know your preference.

Things I will help you with unconditionally:

• "I'm lost! What do I doooooo?!?!?"
  
• How to establish yourself as town
  
• How to defend yourself from attacks
  
• Persuasive writing and proofreading posts
  
• How to pressure a player
  
• "What questions should I be asking?"
  
• ...and more... just ask!

Things I will help you with moderately:

• "How do I scumhunt?"
  
• "Am I justified in suspecting this player?"
  
• "Did I write a good case against this player? Why?"
  
• "Who should I use my Cop/Medic/Roleblocker night-action on?"

Things I will not help you with:

• Allignments of specific players.
  
• My reads on specific players.
  
• Antagonizing other players.
  
• "How do I make my e-penis larger?"
  
• "What race should I play in Starcraft 2?"

When in doubt, just ask. There's very little that I won't help with to some extent, and the worst I can say is "no comment" =)

On April 04 2013 07:39 Dandel Ion wrote:

Dudes bus their wingmen all the time, the women are pretty good at catching on to it nowadays.

Gotta keep to some old-fashioned trickery if you're really scum. Fakeclaiming should work better, but eventually she'll find out the setup and then it's gg.

On April 04 2013 15:44 nobodywonder wrote:
Lol just watch get vanilla be scummy I die or win by killing teh haters

On April 05 2013 00:51 marvellosity wrote:
Slight note, I changed the deadline time. Game should be starting in about 8 hours at deadline time.

On April 05 2013 09:45 Rainbows wrote:


My point. Keep in mind the following question isn't policy-based.

Let's say we have this one guy, super emotional, yelling at people, voting all over the place. Call him guy A. Guy B is cool, suave, making decent points here and there, voting is in line with his thinking. Guy C is hardcore lurking are barely here, but won't get modkilled because he votes. Guy D is kinda wimpy, and sheeps cases but is also hard to read.

Who do we lynch?

On April 05 2013 10:29 Rainbows wrote:


I'll take this as an answer: "Guy A"

On April 05 2013 10:59 Rainbows wrote:
I meant that I was guy A :p

Raven!!! All the other shenanigans doesn't matter. How are you?

On April 05 2013 11:53 Rainbows wrote:


I see I see. You scum today? Or just roll dat VT again?

On April 05 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:


I'm a super miller/Godfather/jailframer

On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:

Nobodywonder



NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around.

I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy.

On April 06 2013 07:18 Obzy wrote:
I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about;
Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post?

You seem like you're trying to point out that Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect, but that Nobodywonder is just a newb and not scum, but _also_ that he should be looking towards Nobodywonder instead of Saraf, who you think is town? I don't like it :x Please post more hehe. - -; I'm not following your reasoning, and that's all you've got atm.

(Continuing to read.)

On April 06 2013 06:10 jrkirby wrote:
Hey warent, what's your read on me, and the people who voted on me?

On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:
TheRavensName is a fantastic lynch for today!

He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here:



Notice the complete lack of any sort of read or pressure in the post. Does Raven care about current events, does he look like he's hunting scum? He tells people to not vote me for spammyness, but does nothing to pressure those attacking me for that reason alone. He simply affords people the opportunity to lynch me by coming up with alternate reasons by the end of D1.

Where's the scumreads? Vote? Nothing.



I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy.

Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad.



Last post, pretty void of any reads whatsoever. The only thing he's pointed out is my vote on Saraf, which the entire thread has already said many times.

I hate to meta people, but TRN in previous games was active, scumhunting, and voted early Day 1. He's reserving his vote right now which irks me. He has done no scumhunting this game and is teetering on the edge of null on everybody.

##Unvote
##Vote: TheRavensName

P.S. Raven, it's SINCE, not SENSE ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

On April 06 2013 14:07 Obzy wrote:
##Vote TheRavensName

Lastly, I'm not very happy with how he disappeared in the ten minutes between his last post today and Rainbow's case without a response for multiple hours.

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On April 06 2013 14:15 Rainbows wrote:


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the obligatory OMGUS.

On April 06 2013 15:18 Rainbows wrote:
SCUM DON'T WANT TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION YOU RETARD

On April 06 2013 21:40 Smancer wrote:
Rainbows why are you sticking to your TRN vote and not voting for jampidampi after you saw how bad his case was.

On April 06 2013 22:42 Saraf wrote:
TRN: I was looking over the thread trying to put cases together last night when Rainbows blew up and decided "fuck it, I'm just gonna go to bed". Now that I'm well-rested I'll be going through everyone's filter and dropping a vote. But I do appreciate you noticing the lurk, I just didn't have patience for the shitfest at midnight.

On April 06 2013 22:26 jampidampi wrote:
Rainbows giving Obzy a townread based on Obzys first three posts doesn't matter?

And like half of Rainbows cases were really bad. Look at his case on Saraf. A bunch of missinterpretings and lies. His case on nobodywonder? Picks up one post, says that nobodywonder doesn't have a read on Rainbows, when wonder gave his read on him in the post Rainbows bought up. Rainbows calls out Ravens for not giving his opinion on nobodywonder, even though Ravens called him dump town.

And do you think Rainbows reacted to my case in a townie way?

On April 07 2013 02:49 Fishgle wrote:
holy shit. things are happening.

First off - fuck you rainbows, for being such an arrogant emotional mess. Here's a tip: it's less about what you say, and more about how you depict it. You didn't make any friends because of your abrasive behavior. I understand you were forced to reveal so you wouldn't get lynched, but it was your own damn fault that everyone suspected you.

second - fuck you rainbows, if you're actually abandoning the game.

third - THERAVENSNAME, WARENT, JAMPIDAMPI why are your votes still on rainbows? Are you guys implying that rainbows' reveal was a fake? If it were fake, there's a huge chance someone would counter-reveal, making it a terrible move for scum. it just doesn't make any sense for him to be scum, no matter how badly he plays.

4th - i think obzy has done a good job explaining further reasons as to why it's unlikely that rainbows is scum.

5th - someone asked about a comment i made about a read on Moloch. disregard it. we have bigger fish to fry now. plus, it was an early-game hunch. Moloch's posts have gotten a lot more substantive and level-headed from since i got the read.

6th - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=18#345 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=12#231

I really think this is the best lead we have so far, coupled with the fact that he's still pushing a lynch on rainbows, who just revealed as the vigilante.

##Vote:jampidampi

On April 07 2013 08:35 Smancer wrote:
TRN are you going to stick with Rainbows as your vote?

On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town...

On April 07 2013 09:58 Saraf wrote:
jrkirby: From the OP -- "There are no hit notifications in this game."

Also, is there a Swede in the audience who can translate that?

On April 07 2013 10:40 jrkirby wrote:
So TRN, what are you thinking now? What are your reads? Mine haven't changed, and probably won't until morning.

On April 07 2013 18:35 Warent wrote:


I'm curious about this as well?

And did we forget about Nobody?

On April 07 2013 23:03 TheRavensName wrote:

I thought that Jampi was the second highest votes, not Jarjar. My bad. But still, I want to give Jarjar a chance to show up and contribute. Now if he doesn't show back up well enough, or just looks bad, I see no reason not to lynch him after that.

On April 07 2013 23:04 TheRavensName wrote:


EBWOP: I mean Jarjar as the second, not Jampi.

On April 07 2013 05:12 Moloch wrote:


That's possible?

Well, then. I'm going to have to rethink this.

On April 08 2013 02:02 jrkirby wrote:
If rainbows dies and flips scum tonight I want to go for obzy. If he lives and gets "roleblocked" I really have to think things through again. For someone as crazy as him, it's he might even be VT and claimed Vigilante. Yes there might not be vigilante, but did he really choose to take that risk? If there is vigilante, and scum don't get really lucky with the roleblock, he's going to die tonight. I would kill him if I were vigilante.

On April 08 2013 20:40 TheRavensName wrote:
So, I'm scum now because I didn't vote for Jarjar or JRK, when the next vote put Jampi at five? May I remind you all Rainbows kept his vote on me anyways. His vote was just as useless.

On April 08 2013 23:03 Smancer wrote:



TRN Care to explain this a bit more clearly?

Here is what I think. Scum see a lynch coming for jampi town, they can NK Saraf and get rid of a townie, and they can RB Ranbows because they think his claim is true. While at the same time, they can build a case for lynching him in Day 2.

On April 08 2013 22:59 Smancer wrote:
##Unvote

You're right. Your claim was never countered. If you were scum, that would have been a ballsy thing to do without knowing if town had a vig or not.

TRN did say that he didn't believe you, I think his argument was over meta. And your case that you built against TRN was actually really good.

On April 09 2013 04:02 TheRavensName wrote:
Well, sense were on the subject of rainbows and people who voted for Jambi.... may I take this time to point out who started the first case against our mislynched cop budy? Why... it would be rainbows! Who luckily shifted off it onto me and vanished off into the wilderness. So... to all the people who are accusing at least one person on Jampi... why are you not at least considering the one who started it all?

On April 09 2013 04:58 Rainbows wrote:
Raven, who are my scumbuddies? I'm waiting for you to stop facerolling and give me an answer.

The fact that you just tried to pin the jampi lynch on me is hilarious. It's actually funny now that i look at it. I had a town read on jamp until that terrible case - i was convinced that town would never be that stupid. But hey, apparently i was wrong.

On April 09 2013 05:22 Rainbows wrote:


Im pretty sure everyone in the thread has called me scum or at least expressed distaste for me.

As for you, NW and some other guy

On April 09 2013 05:23 Obzy wrote:
Okay so I'm at work right now and posting more often than I thought I would I dunno if I'm going to continue once I get home but this town activity is atrocious I hate leading and don't want to lead but if nobody is even going to be here then somebody has to start doing something to drive conversation and get lurkers out because having no lurkers is a huge fucking problem right now so here we go.

At the moment, my reads are Town: Me, Fish, Rain
Null: Smancer, Moloch, Kirby
Lurker: nobodywonder, Jarjar.
Scummy: Ravens, Warent.

The problem is that Moloch, Kirby, nobodywonder, Jarjar, and Fish aren't posting (or at least - not enough). Ravens and Warent are posting and I'm getting scum vibes, but they could just be _relatively_ scummy compared to Rain and Smancer. To further identify if they are actually scum, I would like to be able to continue gathering thoughts on the other five.

Ravens - at a complete fucking dart-board guess, my heart tells me that you, warents, and nobodywonder are scum. If one of those is wrong, add in Smancer. I hate speculating but right now we're on the fast-track to a loss unless we get very, very lucky. I'm still voting for you, but I'm not as certain as I want to be because we don't have enough fucking information!

We have posted THREE PAGES IN DAY TWO, two votes have been placed, and nobody seems to care!

On April 09 2013 05:27 Rainbows wrote:


I had a post on warent. Either way, you never pressured me at all until i cased you.

On April 09 2013 05:42 Obzy wrote:


He ragequit, which I think is a townie move because I've done it before, his claim makes no fucking sense from any standpoint so it was probably a dumb townie move, he was the primary person being talked about and I am the only one (or it fucking feels like it at least) who has been adamantly defending him and I'm town so where are his scumbuddies. He did claim vigilante (Sorry, not ignoring it) which is a risky play and stupid under the circumstances if he were scum to claim instead of just calmly deflecting pressure, he's actually playing the game again which at least makes me breathe a small sigh of fucking relief;

I want to follow somebody, not lead myself, and Rainbows (at the beginning, anyways) did an admirable job of attempting to lead, as insane as it may have been, and [got distracted, forgot what I was gonna put here, then noticed JarJar posted. Thank god for that, I'm gonna read what he posted! Fuck these thoughts.]

On April 09 2013 05:58 Obzy wrote:
Ravens, he would've had to come back anyways (town or scum). I was told that getting emotional was not necessarily a towntell in XXX because it can be easily faked, it's merely one bullet point to me specifically. Why does he have no scumbuddies, why did he make himself the center of attention due to his antics, and why hasn't anybody else stepped up to lead if they don't want him to?

And what do you make of the fact that JarJar also has a town read on him? Specifically, does it make you more inclined to believe that Rainbows is town.

On April 09 2013 06:02 Rainbows wrote:
Nice lie Raven. Saying I think Jar jar is town.

On April 09 2013 06:06 Obzy wrote:
By that logic, if five other people said yes, you'd agree that he was town? This is obviously at odds with feelings you expressed earlier, so I assume not. I was more curious to see how you would react to JarJar using similar logic that you seem to want to ignore, rather than just the fact that he has given out a townread on him.

Also, the fact that he has only myself and Rainbows as townreads - So? I only have Rain and Fish as townreads in my more recent post, and Fish hasn't shown up in awhile. Are you implying that you don't have me as a townread? (In which case cool, whatever) but I fail to see how the fact that he only has us as townreads as a relevant point unless you are trying to undermine the credibility of a townread on Rainbows.

On April 09 2013 06:06 Rainbows wrote:
That was actually my bad. Thought that meant me.

On April 09 2013 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, I'm finally all caught up.


First, Town Reads:

Rainbows. OK, even if you don't think his posts have been pro-town, I don't get how anyone could think his blue claim was fake. It may have been silly of him to claim it @ that point, but it's still a town claim. That's like the worst possible role scum could claim. People actually think that a scummie is not only gonna claim the one role that can get him killed without a counterclaim, but also claim it when he wasn't really close to being lynched?

Obzy. Obviously not as strong of a townread as Rainbows but not only is obzy trying to get people to talk and putting his opinions out there, but I find myself agreeing w/ alot of his analysis. I don't see anything wrong w/ his vote on Jampi since the case against him seemed pretty strong IMO.


And now scum:

jrkirby. (Surprised I know).

The first post from kirby that made me suspicious:My original scumread post:OK, now that it's pretty certain that rainbows is town, this looks alot worse. Now, his very next post after I accuse him:He now backs off rainbows and says his read wasn't very strong. But it was strong enough to vote him @ the time, I didn't see anything happen in between his vote and unvote that would make him change his mind. But I guess he now has a hunch about someone, but he'll keep that to himself.

So now a bunch of people start calling him out on just how scummy that statement is and telling him that he needs to just say who he suspects and it so happens to be, Jampi, the guy that everyone was talking about @ the time and is now confirmed town. BTW, here's his "reasoning"

Then he goes ahead and posts his "Scummyness rating" post and aside from me, everyone falls is between 23% and 33%. Well what does that really tell us? In fact, I'm his top scum read and here's his verdict on me: "Kinda scummy. 45% scum". It's clearly a post designed to look like he's giving his opinion about people without really saying anything. I mean can you look @ this and figure out what his real opinion is on most of these people:Though he makes sure to tell me that he put out a list of his thoughts:I'm confused about this last statement. What reason would he have to think that I'd be suspicious of him posting against jampidampi @ this time? I never mentioned anything about him.

He again points out how he posted all his reads.


So now, a bunch of the votes move to jampi. No reason for him to pile on so he votes for me posting his case which mostly is that I'm a lurker and I voted for him:

So now that it looks like jampi is gonna get hanged, he starts defending him:WTF? What changed? I can understand if he just said that he thought I was the better lynch, but "I think jampidampi is town."???? jampidampi was his 2nd highest scumread in his scum percentage indicator post. Which goes back to my point about how that post was pretty much garbage and just a way to make it look like he was posting his opinions.

So now here's where he tries to set up obzy and rainbows(my 2 towreads):This is clearly someone that knows jampi is about to flip green and is trying to set up obzy and rainbows. There's no way he could speculate that much and be so sure that jampy is town. Especially since he was one of his top suspects earlier in the day.

So now I see that he's changed his tune on his scumreads and now thinks rainbows is town because rainbows survived through the night. Because obviously the real vigilante would have killed him if he fake-claimed. But for some reason he thought that a scum rainbows never consider that something like that would happen.

On April 09 2013 06:10 Rainbows wrote:
Raven you saw my scum play first hand. Im cool and suave until lylo where i go full retard for the lulz and still win.

Im no suicidal scum player.

On April 09 2013 06:16 Rainbows wrote:


Ray was everyones town read? In the previous game I was town... what does that have to do with me being scum?

On April 09 2013 06:18 Obzy wrote:
That said, Ravens, if you're voting for Rainbows then cool. I think that's stupid, but *shrug* - I guess my vote's on you for a reason, at the moment.

On April 09 2013 08:46 Obzy wrote:
The fact that activity slowed is saddening. I'm heading home from work soon, but my activity will depend on how into things I get this evening. That stated - I had been uncertain as to Ravens due to his activity - that is to say, it is high. Noticing the last game - the highest activity posters were scum, so that sorta got shut down lol. Main reason for this post besides just trying to tell people "PLEASE PLEASE PLS POST"; I suddenly had a flash of insight - please try to reconcile Raven's behavior regarding Rainbows' claim (absolute disbelief, disagreement, fighting against it and is certain he is lying) with this:


... According to your behavior, Ravens, claiming will specifically not save you at all.

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On April 09 2013 16:27 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think I ever actually voted for jampi. All I ever had was unfounded suspicion.

On April 05 2013 09:56 Moloch wrote:
You're just seeing what type of personality you can use to not be suspected, skinny guy!

People who don't say a lot and just stay low take a higher priority over people that say a lot. Especially early game. If the guys who talk a lot are good, they'll be better for the town than people who don't say much, and if they do happen to be non-fatties, there's a higher chance they'll slip up sooner or later. It's difficult to slip up when you don't say anything or don't have an opinion of your own.

So, in your situation probably C or D.

On April 09 2013 21:56 Smancer wrote:


I'll do it if everyone else is willing to. How do you know who is town? scumslip??

On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So jkirbys defense was pretty weak just like I expected.

And looking @ Ravens last few posts, I think he may also be scum and trying to distance himself from kirbs. Here's his response to my case against kirby:He's trying to make it seem like he isn't defending kirby by saying I'm making him doubt his read while @ the same time saying that I don't really have a good argument against him because of my main point. And he's trying to apply that same argument to rainbows even though it's not really similiar @ all. And kirbys defense of jampi while earlier naming him a suspect is the strongest point in my case against him, it's certainly not the only one.

On April 09 2013 22:15 Smancer wrote:
TRN

I was trying to be sarcastic. I was saying that the logic "I'll vote for someone if everyone else does" is bad.

I was not saying I would ever vote for myself.

On April 10 2013 00:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Rainbow was right in that Saraf was basically saying that "we should lynch you whether you are scum or not". And it did seem like Saraf thought Rainbows was town even if he said the words "Even if you are" as opposed to "Probably are". That's just nitpicking words and harping on semantics.

On April 10 2013 00:58 Rainbows wrote:
I don't think Moloch is scum btw.

On April 10 2013 01:04 Rainbows wrote:
Well I'm pretty convinced you're scum, TRN. I'm still waiting for something original from you, baby.

On April 10 2013 01:26 TheRavensName wrote:

Thats okay. I'm still convinced your scum too, if nothing else your current decision on how to play is hurting you more than your blueclaim is helping. I just realize no one wants to listen to me about you anyways.Everyone except Smancer and Moloch wants to listen to obzy too much to actually care.

On April 10 2013 02:05 Smancer wrote:
Rainbows,

Crazy conspiracy theory incoming...

I think you might be right with Raven. One possible explanation I have could be he is voting for Moloch because he actually knows Moloch is scum and my case was good.

Then when we lynch scum tonight he can say he voted for Moloch, and why would he do that if he were scum.

So to recap he knows Moloch is scum. He knows that his case against you isn't building momentum. He thinks he can survive longer by sacrificing Moloch by using it as an argument upcoming in day 3.

Either way I think Raven and Moloch are scum now. I would lynch either. My vote is currently on Moloch.

On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:
I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy.

Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad.

On April 06 2013 14:24 Rainbows wrote:
Just because someone calls you scum doesn't mean they are scum. Mafia 101.

On April 10 2013 01:59 Rainbows wrote:
Obzy. Raven is convinced I'm scum. BUT HE VOTES MOLOCH. Explain.

On April 05 2013 13:04 Rainbows wrote:
I fakeclaimed as a troll move and it worked =|. Felt bad for town that game.

On April 06 2013 15:28 Rainbows wrote:
Dude I was blatantly trolling and being stupid... why the fuck would I do that if I'm scum

On April 10 2013 08:26 TheRavensName wrote:
Alright guys, sorry I couldn't post this my laptop battery died during my break between classes and I had one class left so I couldn't use it till now. (I don't carry around a charger.)

For the Record: I won't be quoting all the questions people asked of rainbows he flat out ignored until heavily pressured, and then still mostly ignored, even though they are a part of my case, because there are simply too many of them.

Nor Will I bother to go actually find the quote of Lie/Misinterpretaiton 1: The whole damn incident where Rainbows misinterpretated what was being said and blew out of proportion. Weve beaten it to death, moving on.

Lie/Misinterpretation 2: How can I call him a dumb town and not give a read.

Not playing by his own logic: Go and look at all of Rainbow's votes. Its really easy, they are all on the same people. All of his votes are on people who called him scummy. His ownly Scummy read he didn't vote was NW and Jarjar, but I guess they didn't call him scum.


He did the same thing with NW, thinking he was scum but didn't vote him for not feeling like it.
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Lie 3: Basically that hes been posting useful content sense the start: Thats a huge lie, go look at his filter, most of it is one liners and bitching about how people want to lynch him and generic null read posts EXCEPT for what he posts on me (Which by the way, should count as evidence sense aparently me focusing on him is evidence against me when its all hes done sense his explosion.), Jarjar,(Who got like four lines and nothing sense), and the times he OMGUSed people.

I also want to put in Warant's analysis on reasons why Rainbow's claim might be bullshit, because I feel a similar way about it, I've brought it up a couple of times (before rainbow's calls this sheeping too. I'm just doing what he asked.) I would however like to add to it these couple of phrases:


I don't know rainbows... why'd you do it last time?

[b]##Unvote[/b[
##Vote: Rainbows

On April 10 2013 08:32 Rainbows wrote:
You know if anyone else is blue, they can claim because 3 blues in a game is super rare. cop/doc/vig is stupid op.

if you're a doc/jk you can claim and then lynch me? never even thougt of thaat.

On April 10 2013 08:33 marvellosity wrote:


TheRavensname (2) Obzy, Rainbows, Obzy

Rainbows (1) Smancer, TheRavensName, warent

jrkirby (3) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder, Smancer, Obzy

JarJarDrinks (1) Obzy jrkirby

Moloch (1) Smancer, TheRavensName, Obzy

Fishgle (1) Fishgle

Not Voting: Warent, Moloch

Deadline is in just under half an hour. Voting is mandatory.

Currently jrkirby is set to be lynched!

If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.

On April 10 2013 08:34 TheRavensName wrote:

I changed to rainbows again.

On April 10 2013 08:36 Rainbows wrote:
Lie 2 isnt a lie. bad town i dont consider a read because its noncomittal as fuck.

Everyone in the thread has called me scum, of course all of my votes will seem

Please lynch Raven.

On April 11 2013 00:48 Obzy wrote:
Another wonderfully active night. Outstanding. I guess Warent is posting.
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Warent, entirely hypothetically, what if in my -imaginary- -luck shot- -guess- scumteam prediction you were replaced with Rainbows?

And the number of blue roles, yes, is unknown to all players, but I feel it's a safe assumption that it's either 2 or 3, and we could all have safely assumed that at the beginning of the game.

On April 11 2013 02:47 Obzy wrote:
So then, to start things off tomorrow since I don't expect to be here, I'd like to propose a Jarjar lynch. The primary thing he did this game was push kirby. Other than that, he gave me and Rainbows townreads (okay), and Warent and Ravens scumreads (okay w/e). He's basically still lurking and hasn't pitched in to the major conversations. And nobody else is talking so fuck it I'll just quietly go insane for the next 6 hours before I ideally get executed and then can stop worrying about town 's lack of activity and just quietly watch games. Does anybody have any thoughts on a Jarjar lynch? Cases, if we specifically shouldn't, etc.

I see Ravens just posted - It definitely does, but really, I have no idea who's who. I could say "I think it's these 3" and then afk until I die, or I could at least TRY to promote thought. If he says his scum reads are similar to mine then (or vice-versa), it implies that he is accepting of Jarjar and Smancer lynches. Who would you remove from that equation to lynch Rain with, or would you change it up entirely?

On April 11 2013 02:53 Obzy wrote:
Ravens, you posting at night would be a godsend for the game, + Show Spoiler + if you were night killed instead of one of my townreads I would be rather thrilled and feel more confident. If Rainbows were night killed I'd be ecstatic. Anything that removes questionables from the equation is a positive thing for town.

Up until this point, you've seemed to be agreeing with Warent because he wants to kill Rain - and now you mention that his filter's short and he's been tunneling Rain only. Why has this not been a problem until I bring up questioning how he would react to killing Rain instead of himself?

On April 11 2013 02:53 Obzy wrote:
[+ Show Spoiler + if you were night killed instead of one of my townreads I would be rather thrilled and feel more confident. If Rainbows were night killed I'd be ecstatic. Anything that removes questionables from the equation is a positive thing for town.

On April 11 2013 03:13 Obzy wrote:
Interesting. How would you to propose to defend Jarjar, then? If Warent, Smancer, and Rain are scum, that is. Jarjar basically tunneled Kirby with a few extra reads; if he had been tunneling Rain futilely instead, I'd think they'd occupy a similar niche.

And I did some work for a bit and then re-imagined Rain winning as scum and my vision went red so despite my post yesterday I'm open to lynching Rain largely out of potential spite. Do you think that Smancer looks objectively scummy, or is it just that he has been pushing incorrect lynches? I'd identified him through process of elimination, he has been a very difficult read for me.

On April 11 2013 04:44 Obzy wrote:
Picky, picky, picky.

It will be guaranteed when I die tonight, then. If you have been legitimately reading me as non-town to a point that you think my opinions are not town opinions, you are mafia, horrible, or insane.

Warent, I like that piece of information quite a bit - that JarJar's voters are dead. I don't really know why you'd specifically point out that JarJar and nobodywonder have voted on mislynches twice in a row - I mean, so did Smancer, Fish, and myself. Assuming your assumption is correct; Smancer obviously is my pick for the scum on jampi's wagon.

On April 11 2013 14:01 Warent wrote:
Obzy claim did not make sense from a town perspective. Why? He just gave up the doctor. How the hell is that town motivated?

I provided reason why it wasn't a terrible move from a scum perspective.

Simple as that.

On April 11 2013 21:20 Warent wrote:


Analyzing things from different perspectives can be useful. I think Rainbow did it as a joke (?), not sure though. Molochs reasoning made sense. If you have an analyzis you are obviously welcome to provide it.

On April 12 2013 01:25 Rainbows wrote:
Because Obzy led the horses to water. Someone has to make them drink.

On April 12 2013 15:30 nobodywonder wrote:
oh darn it, I didn't finish my last sentence.

Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then Rainbow would be confirmed for sure. Thus Ravens has a higher chance of being the mafia roleblocker, if so then Rainbows may be able to get his shot off.

On April 13 2013 00:57 Rainbows wrote:


You did not lynch them. Yet you did nothing to prevent their lynch, instead put your vote on me uselessly. I just said you wanted to avoid taking responsibility for your actions, and here you are.

On April 13 2013 00:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yes because he HAS TO BE the vigilante. That's the same point against Raven. Please answer me: how terrible would scum have to be to make that fake claim on day 1? It just would never happen.

So you've been focusing on a blue role the entire game. And then who is the other person you focused on? Obzy, another blue.

On April 13 2013 01:47 Rainbows wrote:
b and c wouldnt happen.

Either way fakeclaiming day 1 is too risky and dumb as scum. I don't think my teamates would allow it haha.

On April 13 2013 05:42 Rainbows wrote:
smancer fishgle moloch.. get on warent.

i need at least 3 other townies onbhim

On April 13 2013 06:06 Moloch wrote:
I still think no lynch is the best way to go today. The only reasonable argument against it that I've seen is JJD's about the chance we'll hit the roleblockers.

On April 13 2013 08:59 Warent wrote:
Lol TRN, wtf. hm

On April 13 2013 09:54 Rainbows wrote:
lol raven im on my phone its hard to vote :p... u so desparate tho

On April 17 2013 10:03 Rainbows wrote:
I in no way endorse my early behavior, but it was certainly amplified by the amounts of derp in the thread.

On April 17 2013 09:48 Rainbows wrote:
All I have to say is that I rage quit, which was bad. Still had good reads D1 tho, but after you rage quit and stop reading the game, people tend not to believe you anymore.

I have no clue how people thought the claim was fake, though. The mislynches were terribly directed, personally i thought jkirby was town I just didnt care enough to stop you guys. I knew Raven was scum 100% day 1, especially after he voted me in response... its funny because most of the town called it bad logic, and yet went off to lynch town. It's one reason i was so damn frustrated even during d2 when i didnt post.

On April 18 2013 01:11 Rainbows wrote:
The only reason my votes were considered omgus was because literally the entire thread wanted me dead. I was actually hunting scum d1 while people derped over nothing and "ahmigerd you spammed that one time". I knew you were scum for more than what i actually posted Raven. Like that serial killer comment early game, but nobody would have understood it so i just shut up about that.

As I said, town should have lynched you d1 and sorted out all of the mess.

On April 18 2013 02:55 Smancer wrote:
I am probably going to skip the LXI and do the one after that. This game took a lot out of me. I spent more time than I would like to admit on it. This shit is exhausting and stressful when the deadlines come.

On April 18 2013 03:30 Rainbows wrote:


errrg if only i replaced NW with fishgle, so mad.

On April 18 2013 04:15 nobodywonder wrote:
lol ravens, you dissed me so hard, always calling me an idiot, lol your town read on me was stupid town... i should just have grudge lynched you for that and get lucky.

lol i have almost always gotten lynched. this game was a first for me lol