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Well, I'd happily comment on me, but I fear that it may be a bit biased. I guess if I were a coach I'd drop you couple of lines, like "Look at his play - is he pushing scum or town objectives?"; that sort of thing. ^_^ ramble -->+ Show Spoiler +I appreciate the compliment but I almost certainly am not a better player than anybody else here! Trust me on that one lol. Have no fear that I am certainly town, but if you want to theorize, I can't exactly stop you :0 Rather than thinking I'm good, I just feel like I'm trying to be active. After all, if I was good, I wouldn't've waffled[hehe funny word] on Jampi, thinking "well, he's likely just changing his play to be what I consider "town play", so he's still scum" - I would've gone "He changed his play to a pro-town manner. In a spreadsheet that I did for the first 24 hours or something, my entries on him are 'showed up ^^ against all policies, good thought process on why policies make sense. He's asking questions like me!!! :D:D' and 'Oops  ' >.>; Not like that means a lot, I just mean to say that I don't have any confidence in my skills, I'm just putting a lot of time in - and I think it's been said often, but in a video Palmar did analysing the first dozen or so pages of some game or other (Don't remember), he offhandedly commented that Marv was a good player (i chuckled because it seems like something that shouldn't even have to be commented on) - then mentioned that Marv puts in a lot of time and that tends to make people good players. Not sure what I'm saying, both dissing and praising myself at the same time; lol - but I definitely think I'm not good, I'm just putting more time in than a lot of others, and I think the clear display of giving a shit is a reason that there isn't much suspicion on me, despite being on jampi's mislynch along with the rest.
(I'm gonna do another quick read/reread of some stuff, then play some n64. Unless you have questions for me  )
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On April 09 2013 05:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 05:50 Obzy wrote:
If you have the time, could you give your thoughts on recent interactions, specifically if you have any insights regarding Ravens and/or Warent? K, I'll go through filters but I'm definately suspicious of people that voted for the obviously blue guy.
Where'd he go?
Where are Moloch and nobodywonder and kirby?
still, you're on to something. rainbows makes a baseless vote on jampi, then when he gets questioned, gets angry and claims blue. ]
Think objectively - why would scum do this, at that juncture? Ignoring how it turned out - at the time, he couldn't know how it would turn out, and scum would have to be thinking ahead. (Funnily, whenever I think ahead, I make too many association cases! But scum don't have that inconvenience, so they can legitimately plan.)
I think you're probably town, Fish, so I'll ask this; and this may be a bit direct hehe. Are you thinking on Rainbows because you feel bad for not being around for awhile and want to show that you are contributing and it's easy to comment on Rainbows, or because you legitimately are still concerned about him, and think he may be scum? I know I mentioned that I was done defending him but like seriously lol. ^^;
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Is the reason people don't trust Rain because they're uncertain of my alignment, because I've defended him so hard? Is that it? lol.
Jarjar disappeared, this is really annoying. I hate the fact that he disappeared after saying he would go through filters. I like his case on kirby, it's very well constructed, but kirby isn't here either atm. To be totally completely honest I am becoming less convinced of Ravens just because nobody's fucking here [edit, besides fish :D] and I'm talking myself in circles irl. At least Ravens didn't come in after a long afk, drop a case on the same person that he originally voted day1, say he'd look into more stuff, and vanish in a poof of smoke like a fucking genie that appears every thousand years. The fact that the case is good is just troublesome in and of itself, what if they're both scum? Who fucking knows, they aren't here! Out of the people that have been reasonably active, I think that Ravens is the scummiest. But we have people that aren't here at all. + Show Spoiler +I'm switching my vote onto kirby until he shows up and explains Jarjar's case and drops a vote that is to my liking - that is to say, not on fish, not on me, and not on rainbows. I also would appreciate justification for it. These lurkers are going to be the death of my sanity of this game unless they stop being godamn lurkers. I never, ever expected that they would spend the majority of multiple days without posting, I was expecting for Jarjar to be a similar read to Smancer or Warent (not particularly strong reads, but better than a genie) by this point, and he just outright isn't.
+ Show Spoiler +As such, Jarjar also jumped quite a bit as a scumread to me for telling me he'd do something and then not fucking doing it. Most people just ignore me and don't do it, re: lurkers. Whatever. But telling me he'd do it and then not doing it? :l
As explained above, ##Unvote
##Vote JarJarDrinks
Ravens is worst scummiest out of our active posters, and if I was only allowed to vote on our active posters, I one hundred percent would place my vote on Ravens. If I had to pick a scumteam entirely from relatively active posters, it would be Ravens, Warent, and fuckifiknow. Smancer I guess cause out of ten of us, fish rain and I are town, moloch, nobodywonders, jarjar, and kirby are gone, and that leaves just three active posters left.
nobodywonder also sucks for being afk just throwing that out there
and you too moloch
no free ride here
if this post doesn't make a lot of logical sense, sorry, just read it and try to follow my thought process. i hate rewriting stuff and i wanted to post these thoughts and especially use the genie line so rather than carefully try to find how best to word it, here's what I'm thinking right now. gonna go play n64 now, I'll be back later
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I would rather lynch Jarjar than nobodywonder until we see how nobodywonder chooses to act for the next little while. I had a bigass post on the last page that got buried, + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 11:19 Obzy wrote:Is the reason people don't trust Rain because they're uncertain of my alignment, because I've defended him so hard? Is that it? lol. Jarjar disappeared, this is really annoying. I hate the fact that he disappeared after saying he would go through filters. I like his case on kirby, it's very well constructed, but kirby isn't here either atm. To be totally completely honest I am becoming less convinced of Ravens just because nobody's fucking here [edit, besides fish :D] and I'm talking myself in circles irl. At least Ravens didn't come in after a long afk, drop a case on the same person that he originally voted day1, say he'd look into more stuff, and vanish in a poof of smoke like a fucking genie that appears every thousand years. The fact that the case is good is just troublesome in and of itself, what if they're both scum? Who fucking knows, they aren't here! Out of the people that have been reasonably active, I think that Ravens is the scummiest. But we have people that aren't here at all. + Show Spoiler +I'm switching my vote onto kirby until he shows up and explains Jarjar's case and drops a vote that is to my liking - that is to say, not on fish, not on me, and not on rainbows. I also would appreciate justification for it. These lurkers are going to be the death of my sanity of this game unless they stop being godamn lurkers. I never, ever expected that they would spend the majority of multiple days without posting, I was expecting for Jarjar to be a similar read to Smancer or Warent (not particularly strong reads, but better than a genie) by this point, and he just outright isn't. ACTUALLY IGNORE THE STUFF IN THE SPOILER I'M REVISING IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE SENSIBLE BUT I HATE EDITING SO IT'S THERE IF YOU WANT TO READ IT. + Show Spoiler +As such, Jarjar also jumped quite a bit as a scumread to me for telling me he'd do something and then not fucking doing it. Most people just ignore me and don't do it, re: lurkers. Whatever. But telling me he'd do it and then not doing it? :l AND THIS PART IS ACTUALLY WHAT I'M GOING WITH because it makes more sense than voting kirby out of the blue but seriously these lurkers suck As explained above, ##Unvote
##Vote JarJarDrinksRavens is worst scummiest out of our active posters, and if I was only allowed to vote on our active posters, I one hundred percent would place my vote on Ravens. If I had to pick a scumteam entirely from relatively active posters, it would be Ravens, Warent, and fuckifiknow. Smancer I guess cause out of ten of us, fish rain and I are town, moloch, nobodywonders, jarjar, and kirby are gone, and that leaves just three active posters left. nobodywonder also sucks for being afk just throwing that out there and you too moloch no free ride here if this post doesn't make a lot of logical sense, sorry, just read it and try to follow my thought process. i hate rewriting stuff and i wanted to post these thoughts and especially use the genie line so rather than carefully try to find how best to word it, here's what I'm thinking right now. gonna go play n64 now, I'll be back later
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Also, hi nobody. I really, really wish you'd post more. I understand that posting is hard and the internet is scary, but quite frankly, and I love saying quite frankly and I think I've said it like ten times in this game now, quite frankly, I like winning. And if I want to win as town, I need to be readable as town. And if other people want to win as town, they need to be readable as town. And you aren't readable as town at the moment.
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Hm. Okay. Given that the lynch occurs in 21 hours, hopefully you have time before then for certain. And yeah, kirby needs to respond. I originally had voted for him in that post, I only switched it to you because I realized the majority of my frustration was at how you had appeared and then disappeared, and I couldn't think of a town reason to say you'd be reading and then just not do it without an explanation. Honestly your timing of reappearance worries me a little, very convenient and all that - but I will try to keep an open mind and look forward to your continued analysis.
Rainbows, you've been around and about - ish - what do you think about kirby? I'm going to go form a [slightly better] opinion on him myself atm, but it's a bit tainted by the fact that he isn't here.
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sorry nobody, i'm just frustrated. i'm not very good at actual scumhunting, just seeing the big picture - the fact that town is so inactive is getting really ... bothersome. the scummy players are probably catchable at this point, but...
Hmph.
Okay so here's the issue. I can see pretty much everybody being scum and not scum for various reasons.
Fish isn't scum. Assumption. I think that he is improving town atmosphere and behaving in a pro-town way, his stances have not stood out as particularly bad, and I am really glad that he came back and posted several times in a row, bringing new insights and then actually sticking around for a bit. It's like he cares - which is nice.
Rainbows' claim and behavior makes him town. I don't think there is any denying that, the majority of things I have said have been confirming this and taking a stance on this and firming this up and etc etc etc.
But Rainbows' play is not particularly protown, it has large periods of passive-aggressiveness, and he fits in really well with a kirby scumteam. I don't think he's scum but like jesus I wish he would post more constructively, although his overall activity is pretty nice.
JarJar just showed up, and I like his case on kirby quite a bit. The fact that he has so few posts really screams like he doesn't care, but he "sounds" townie by tone, and looks scummy by actions. very frustrating and I really hope he can post actively before ~4ish hours before the lynch so we can try to do some consolidation and discussion on the actual lynch instead of town atmosphere [however important] and lurkers [however frustrating] ahaha.
nobodywonder, i'm sorry for being down on you. I realize it's not encouraging and I shouldn't've acted that way, given that I've been hoping for you to post every day. That said, it has been three days. From the 6th 14:01 till the 9th 11:44 you didn't post a single time. Except for once in a starcraft 2 thread, apparently, according to your profile. Exempting everything else, I feel like you don't care about town. Your above post is decent, it looks like it has reasonable townie analysis and apparently there's more to come, but your behavior in lurking has not been pro-town, and has not shown you actually care about how we're doing. If you can fix that, I'll lighten up on you a little bit.
Ravens feels very defensive, which I honestly think is townier than not. I hate his tunnel on Rainbows, even though I understand because Rain is not playing in a pro-town manner, I can't reconcile myself to agree with it because I think it's as good as proven that Rain is town. (Like if someone trolly was an innocent child or something is how I see him.) I have no idea what to think of Ravens anymore lol. -_-
Smancer is odd. He made, in my eyes, a good case on jampi, and followed the lynch to the end, picking up negative attention. I have a hard time believing mafia would do this, since it puts him strongly in the spotlight. He didn't like my case on Ravens (and I apparently didn't either or I'd still be voting him and he'd be scum instead of null), but he's apparently read me as town all game, so he wasn't just disagreeing because he disagreed with ME, but with the case itself. But then he almost immediately 180s randomly on Rainbows and compliments Rainbows' case on Ravens, what? So I'm somewhat uncertain of Smancer too, it feels like my unvoiced opinion of him shifts drastically throughout a day where I start or end a day thinking he's very scummy, and the next day he's somehow townie, and I don't know what causes these shifts.
Regarding Warent, I feel like every time I look at him he's scum, but I also feel like he's acting in a pro-town way. Maybe it's the way he types? On sheer scumminess I swear he's always top. It's unfortunate too that he lives in a different timezone so we have different active hours, but there's obviously nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't help that he soft-accused me and Fish (and Rain), then switched to questioning the people on jampi's wagon and wanting our opinions on each other - but like, that is what I would want if I thought there were scum on Jampi's wagon -_-
Kirby... Sigh. I like the case against him. I don't really like that he's lurking (Although really, it's not lurking. It's just blatantly being afk. Jarjar, nobodywonder, Kirby, and Moloch are all, or were all just blatantly afk.) I don't have a damn clue. As is clearly obvious, I don't have any idea who the mafia is and I really hope I get shot night 2 so I can stop worrying! It could be anybody except fish IMHO, with it being more likely to not be Ravens or Rainbow or Warent singlehandedly because they actually have talked to me a decent amount, whereas Smancer made a big deal of talking to me but my opinion of him isn't solidified in my head, and nobodywonder/Jarjar have begun posting again but I don't know how to treat the fact that they were gone for so long.
Moloch isn't here, I mean what does that even mean!? He's just like, fucking gone? Still? And he was on jampi's wagon? Like why is he gone lol >.< He was a very solid townread for me exiting day 1 and now he's just not here.and my confidence has eroded throughout the day and several hours that he has been missing and now I have no idea what to think of him.
So who are my scumreads, nobodywonder? I don't know. Whenever I think about "if this guy is scum, then ________" i end up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and completely unrelated sets of scumteams with no common denominator.
I believe I'll be able to give good time to posting and give good votes before the end of the 2nd day. Hopefully.
If kirby doesn't, I guess I'd lynch him primarily. If you (nobodywonder) and Jarjar are active, I don't really have a problem with you... somehow. If Warent wakes up and isn't protown throughout the next day, I'd also be willing to lynch him. If Moloch doesn't show up at all (and doesn't vote), I don't want to vote on a pure lurker that I was once very town on, so maybe he'll get modkilled or something, but if he shows up and drops a vote with bad reasoning and takes off I'd vote him too. He'd need to stick around for several hours and be townie and explain what he thinks because if he can't then like I'm sorry but that's just not okay.
I'm less okay with lynching Ravens and I don't really get why. I refuse to lynch Fish. I'm okay with lynching Rainbows only on day 3 if we mislynch today and he still doesn't die and doesn't pick up his game because I'd rather just fucking kill him and lose than let him troll continuously and then turn out to magically, miraculously, fucking SOMEHOW be scum in the end, despite the fact that it would make no sense and would mean I was completely taken in, I'd kill him and lose just to prevent that anger. Like I don't even know Rain frustrates me because I put so much work into defending him and now it feels like he's not living up to my apparently rather high expectations. Sorry buddy ^^ Don't take this too hard~
And for Smancer and if I'm okay with lynching him - throw a fucking dart, my read on smancer is aligned with the phases of the moon. I hope this post helps people.
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lol sorry it seemed like I started lurking - I'm totally still here :0 I'm confirming townies because I am a very honest person irl and I am fucking shit at detecting liars and Mafia is a game about detecting liars. You have to detect the liars to win. And since I suck at that, I'm trying to detect the honest, trustworthy people instead, so that I can lynch out of a pool of non-trustworthy people. I really don't want my damn post to fall off the page again, that's probably the longest post I've ever written except maybe a rant once in my other game lol. As regards switching my vote from Ravens to JarJar (and yeah, it was originally Kirby) - to be totally honest, I had lost faith in lynching Ravens for, as described above, no fucking reason whatsoever. I didn't really like that I was voting him. Jarjar had been afk for a long time and I had expected him to provide his reads from filters - he hadn't so I swapped onto him. He then popped up apologizing and said to wait till tomorrow so I guess I'm waiting till tomorrow!
I have a difficult time having the necessary conviction to think that people are mafia without positive reinforcement from other people, I think my votes in the previous game I played were either sheeps or omgus' votes. This game, nobody has really taken charge and driven the town towards targets that I like (and gotten major reactions and discussion out of people) other than the Jampi lynch, which was some sort of combined teamwork mislynch of me and my townreads [at the time]. So I'm feeling a bit out of sorts, the most I feel like I can really contribute in a good way is to get people talking so that there can be a consensus, my individual leadership is not something I have confidence in. *shrug* sorry this isn't really a good reason as to why I'm looking for townreads, and why my scumreads aren't very prominent - I just don't think I'm really that good at this game lol. The only thing I do reasonably well, IMO, is have high activity and show that I am townie through the pro-town-ness of my actions.
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Hello Moloch - hope to see you contributing haha. Obviously ^^;.
as a general comment - nobodywonder, you've gone up significantly faster in my esteem than I was expecting tbth  Rather happy to see. Have you concluded anything from reading through filters/thread about who you think looks scummy?
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry about disappearing for a bit - roommate from previous house showed up so I showed him around and then chatted for a little while. Was distracted :x
I'm torn on kirby's comments lol - what do other people think? (I'm torn because they look like mine, so I naturally like them ^^; But as a result, I'm not exactly unbiased.) I definitely think that nobodywonder has been acting rather townie indeed since reappearing - I went afk and the thread advanced a page!
+ Show Spoiler +Tell me honestly, you're town, don't lie please XD Promise :0! Although that post (mine) looks a little silly now - I probably should've spoilered it since quite a bit of it was a little offtopic.
I'm gonna head to bed, night all - be sure to watch the clock and don't miss the time before deadline, we ought to have conclusions a bit in advance so we can really figure out [through discussion] the right lynch targets. (imo hehe.)
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Hmm. My thoughts this morning:
Well, to start,
##Unvote.
I'd like to lynch kirby or Moloch today. Yesterday I saw Moloch's post right before going to bed, and thought to myself "Wow. + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 16:04 Moloch wrote:
I'm going to start over and write different stuff because I copy-pasted a whole bunch of vote counts to word, but the crossed-out votes came across as normal, so I did other counts to see exactly how many people had voted for Rainbows at the time he claimed, and I had come up with six (it wasn't six - you can check if you're not me and can actually read). I had a cool paragraph saying how Rainbows is all innocent because of blah blah, but that's all useless now.
After actual counting, there were four people (me, jampi, ravens, and fishgle) who were voting for him at the time of him claiming. After he claimed, this is the timeline.
Rainbows jampi->ravens
Me unvote
Smancer Kirby-> jampi
Obzy ravens ->jampi
Fishgle rainbows->jampi
Me ->jampi
Saraf -> jjd
Kirby -> jjd
Jampi rainbows->jjd
I know it's pretty useless information now, but it's the information I compiled when I thought I was actually on to something.
Oh, and I'm not sure what to think about the Saraf lynch. I don't think they'd be as obvious as to hit someone who voted for scum, but it also seems like it would be a good idea to vote for someone that's onto them.
Sorry again for not being here for the past couple days, I know it makes the game less fun for everybody else. I'll do better for the next while.
Obviously, getting up today, it's his only contribution. Rainbows, why don't you think Moloch is scum?
I'm glad that Smancer jumped right on it, I feel like if Smancer was mafia (and Moloch was town), he would know it was a mislynch and be a little more hesitant since his town-cred dropped after being the notable first jump on the jampi case. /speculation speculation. Ravens also voted - no real comment, I think what he's saying here makes sense. Moloch is my primary vote choice at the moment. The other is kirby -
So on kirby, I mentioned that I like his reads because they look like mine, despite the fact they come after mine - not sure what to think of that necessarily. I'm glad to see Jarjar at least be suspicious of other people besides kirby, although Ravens had stuff I quite liked over the night so he's reading significantly more town to me than before.
I am okay with a kirby lynch, but I think Moloch is a better lynch at the moment.
##Vote Moloch
The cases that have been made on him already are good, I'll toss my own reasoning in a spoiler;
+ Show Spoiler +The big thing is that after coming back, On April 09 2013 14:42 Moloch wrote:
Sorry for being gone for such a long time. I was out of the house all day Sunday and at the university all day today (stupid end of semester group projects). I'm going to spend the next 20-30 minutes reading and writing my opinions on stuff. If you're here and have any specific things you want me to touch on, let me know and I'll touch on those too before I sleep.
I'll make sure I'm back here at least a few hours before deadline tomorrow to keep things going. He apologizes for inactivity and then says he'll give us his opinions and will answer questions. He then proceeds to post this, On April 09 2013 16:04 Moloch wrote:
I'm going to start over and write different stuff because I copy-pasted a whole bunch of vote counts to word, but the crossed-out votes came across as normal, so I did other counts to see exactly how many people had voted for Rainbows at the time he claimed, and I had come up with six (it wasn't six - you can check if you're not me and can actually read). I had a cool paragraph saying how Rainbows is all innocent because of blah blah, but that's all useless now.
After actual counting, there were four people (me, jampi, ravens, and fishgle) who were voting for him at the time of him claiming. After he claimed, this is the timeline.
Rainbows jampi->ravens
Me unvote
Smancer Kirby-> jampi
Obzy ravens ->jampi
Fishgle rainbows->jampi
Me ->jampi
Saraf -> jjd
Kirby -> jjd
Jampi rainbows->jjd
I know it's pretty useless information now, but it's the information I compiled when I thought I was actually on to something.
Oh, and I'm not sure what to think about the Saraf lynch. I don't think they'd be as obvious as to hit someone who voted for scum, but it also seems like it would be a good idea to vote for someone that's onto them.
Sorry again for not being here for the past couple days, I know it makes the game less fun for everybody else. I'll do better for the next while. So the analysis of how votes played out isn't an analysis, it's a useless list, as he himself points out. And his response to the Saraf opinion question is "Nope." Then a further apology and a disappearing act. This despite On April 05 2013 09:56 Moloch wrote:
People who don't say a lot and just stay low take a higher priority over people that say a lot. Especially early game. If the guys who talk a lot are good, they'll be better for the town than people who don't say much, and if they do happen to be non-fatties, there's a higher chance they'll slip up sooner or later. It's difficult to slip up when you don't say anything or don't have an opinion of your own. My my, it is indeed difficult to slip up when you don't say anything or have an opinion of your own, isn't it. In summary, Moloch's long awaited rearrival did not contain actual opinions or his thoughts on the game at the time, his post was a list of information that had happened and a lack of an opinion on Saraf. Earlier, Moloch mentioned on the nk: The scum hitting someone will give us another confirmed townie, so that will change almost every read we can make at the moment. But it doesn't appear to have changed any reads at all, or caused any reads at all. Who does Moloch think is currently scum? His only stated read, as far as I can see, is that Rainbows is town - I'm fine with that read, but that sort of feels like thread sentiment at the moment. I don't know what he thinks of other people at all. I also agree with the cases posted by Smancer and Ravens.
Rainbows just posted his stuff on Ravens, I see; I'll take a look at it in a moment.
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Rainbows, in an immediate response, all I have to do is look at the above post.
On April 10 2013 01:26 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:04 Rainbows wrote:
Well I'm pretty convinced you're scum, TRN. I'm still waiting for something original from you, baby. Thats okay. I'm still convinced your scum too, if nothing else your current decision on how to play is hurting you more than your blueclaim is helping. I just realize no one wants to listen to me about you anyways.Everyone except Smancer and Moloch wants to listen to obzy too much to actually care.
He votes Moloch because he can't kill you because I'm stopping him. You think I'd somehow disapprove of this? >.>
Besides, he's sort of right. I'm not convinced you're scum, but your current decision on how to play IS hurting you, it's just not hurting you more than I think you're town. I disagree with him, but I think that he's acting logically under the circumstances.
Your case is basically just a continued tunnel on Ravens. If all Ravens has done is tunnel you, all you have done is tunnel Ravens, since your case on him on day 1, other than occasionally speaking up to defend yourself or be chatty. I had hoped that you'd promote a pro-town atmosphere since I knew after the beginning of day1 that you would be capable of it, but after I left yesterday, (or maybe the day before?) the thread lasted for a couple posts of bickering between you and Ravens and then stopped. I'm tired of it. Ravens deciding to take a step away does NOT make him scum in my eyes. I get the impression that you specifically will not vote Moloch because you think Ravens is scum, not because of the arguments against or for him.
Smancer just posted - conspiracy theory aside, I would like to see a defense of Moloch if people don't want to lynch him, not just apathy. I think the arguments against him are pretty good right now, but I'm always willing to listen to politely worded opinions, particularly when backed up with evidence.
I don't think Ravens is a good lynch today. Maybe tomorrow or something, but not today. I would be pleased to see you, Rainbows, drop your tunnel on him for one damn day. If we lynch the mafia roleblocker, feel free to shoot him. I can't stop you there, and it 100% will confirm you if there are two kills in a night. You mention that you think Warent is a possible second scum - could we hear your thoughts on this?
And who do you think is scummier, between Moloch and kirby? Please do not look at the fact that Ravens is voting Moloch and dismiss it out of hand, judge the case on its own merits.
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Depending on Moloch's response, I'm honestly ready to switch to kirby right now lol. I would like to see what people have to say in response to nobody's case, does anybody feel like trying to defend him? >_> Kirby that is
Also nobodywonder is almost certainly town haha. He picked up enormously since coming back.
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Ah. And here's Moloch. Moloch, had you posted that word file yesterday, I would've been quite a bit less worried, given that it has actual thoughts and analysis instead of just a summary list lol. What do you think of the case that has just been posted on Kirby? Also, how do you respond to the other cases against you, do you have any current scumreads, and do you agree with me that nw has completely picked up his game and is likely town?
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Sure, I can post. I've been curious as to what Moloch's final read is going to be. I don't intend to keep my vote on him any longer (unless he disappeared again) but given that me making this post guarantees he will return, it's not really something that I can hold in reserve any longer.
##Unvote
I still like the case against kirby. I'm feeling happier with Moloch since he's posting, and his logic is good too ^^ Moloch, if you were more active, you probably never would have left my happy townread group haha. You're making a revival atm but don't take that as a sign that it's okay to slow down or stop, because it definitely isn't. /crackwhip ^_^;
At this point, I'm most content with a kirby lynch (last second edit before hitting post - i guess i'll vote on it)
##Vote jrkirby
- I feel kiiiinda alright with a Warent lynch to be honest, but I don't feel we should do it today, it'd be very sudden. This is more of a general feeling - Warent just feels scummy. Like I look at his posts and I get that feeling. (No case though[yet], so don't bother thinking about it too much.) We've got four nonvoters, I'm very curious to see where they intend to place their votes - particularly Warent who reads kirby as town.
Fish, get back here and chat for a bit -.-. You aren't a viable candidate today, but I want you to be talking about this because I value your input, and you obviously need to place a vote.
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I'll talk about it a little, sure. I need to get working- been reading and feeling sort of... worried about a kirby lynch lol, I still think he's our best bet at the moment that's actually been discussed and cases made for, though.
So on Warent, he's felt scummy the entire game (did I already say that? ehn) to me, with moments of ... less scumminess.
I don't know. It's just a feeling. If I could put it in words, I'd vote for him instead of kirby. It feels like Warent says things that sound smart, and then nothing ever comes of them, or he lacks conviction in his words or something. He's still going on about Rainbows, which sort of feels like a copout to the current situation. Given the way he had been speaking, it feels like he should be voting JarJar, not Rainbows. The Rainbows vote comes sort of out of nowhere. I feel bad about voting kirby even though I'm almost certain that you, Smancer, and I on his lynch are town, and your case was excellent. Jarjar's was good, and got things rolling. But people have been rejecting Jarjar's case and not rejecting yours iirc (that's how it feels), other than Moloch who carefully stepped through your case and pointed out a few inconsistencies, making me doubt the lynch on kirby a bit more. Ravens disappeared with his vote sitting still on Moloch, I want him to come back because it feels rather clear to me now that Moloch is town due to the nature of his discussion.
My read against Warent is because other people sound townie and he sounds scummy, but he's playing in a pro-town manner most of the time so it's just a stupid hunch and I refuse to bet my vote on it. Ramble ramble ramble this is frustrating
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Rainbows is not a horrible person to be voting on but I feel like he's missing the feel of the thread if he decides to jump back onto him. There's more than just one scum.
More random thoughts;
Warent - he said that there's no real case against Moloch which I totally disagree with there definitely was a case on him - it's just that he is showing that the cases were flawed, I don't think they were inherently flawed. He says that Rainbows should be dead today and I outright disagree, he shouldn't be under basically any circumstances.
Rainbows - where'd he go? -_- So troublesome. sec I see some responses talking to me so this post will be short.
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Kirby - I think nobodywonder's case was very strong. I nodded along with Jarjar's because it sounded reasonable given a field of 'everyone is scummy' - at least, I think so now. I think at the time I was pretty convinced and nobodywonder's case was just icing on the cake, it was convincing and it looked like it came from a very town-oriented mindset.
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Regarding you bringing up smancer's case (presumably against you), I'll be honest, the first thought that entered my mind was "Case? :l"
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Please give a logical breakdown, as long as you can, with your argument specifically against Jarjar's case on you and why he is scum.
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I feel like we're on a route to losing right now because I don't have confidence in lynching you in the same way I had confidence in lynching jampi. Jampi flipped town so my confidence was clearly misplaced, but I am not happy with things right now. I feel like we've basically got three guaranteed town, maybe up to four or five but they aren't here or playing properly, but that's not enough given that we've only got a pair of mislynches left, and we haven't answered the Rainbows/Ravens question to my absolute satisfaction.
Moloch has provided a reasonable summary, enough to introduce doubt into nobodywonder's case, and it is the one I really liked. But there's no better lynch with reasonable evidence than you. If you are going to accuse Jarjar, then I would like you specifically to break apart his case and prove to me that he is scum - because I don't think nobodywonder or Moloch are, and nobody else is really a reasonable person that I could vote on without feeling like I was absolutely absolutely jumping the gun if that makes sense don't even bother responding to this post with a 'yeah okay i'll go look into his filter but don't expect much' or 'i'll see what i can do' just go do it. I'll consider moving my vote onto Jarjar instead of you, but I need you to occupy that same place that nobodywonder and Moloch occupy right now, and you don't!
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