I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
But phrase no in OP ((( sorry
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I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP. But phrase no in OP ((( sorry | ||
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ghor come into thread reading about nice policy talk, friendly atmosphere, good vodka flowing, then bad people come in. ghor like comrade CC's vote on risk.atomi. risk unlurk, risk scare, now post more, only after vote.now talking about policy kenpachi trap while saying he not do policy things. ghor think risk scummy, ghor like VE. ghor no like girthoflegend, he attack idyll, he not scumhunt, he provoke VE, risk support bad interaction. both risk and girth bad. capitalist swine. if risk go lurk mode sometime, ghor think risk more bad. ghor wait. ghor prefer ve opinion on policy, but ghor see town good will from lazer too. they say they no like bad reasoning for hammer.that ok. | ||
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On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. ghor think contradiction also very strong point.but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum. but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense. For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together. if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first. no go quick with axe. Ploha. | ||
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On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote: Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting. I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you. There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now? ghor not like this statement. ghor not think risk evaluated kenpachi rule with statistics. if he does he remember games where it worked. but does he know game where it not worked?ghor want proof. look like risk defend strange rule to save himself. ghor think risk need tell what scummy about hopeless, risk said he look scummy. what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute? | ||
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but i can tell this time bad for ghor normally.today exception. ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs. privjet = hello yes, no writing kyril here, capitalist amerikanskij web. ============== ghor like know what axle think of risk, and comrades that privjet and disappear. | ||
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but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad. ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away. what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum. sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve. he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum? sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part. On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: riskAxle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright.. My thoughts so far: - Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret. risk - risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said. - Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here. - Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you. - Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it. Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action. -VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on. I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me. ##Vote Mr. Cheesecake On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote: Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home. As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote: Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me. Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes. People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once. I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead. this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about. | ||
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no opinion about hopeless ghor mean. ghor correct from hopeless to lazer, have it right initially but ghor corrected it like durak. | ||
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ghor like comrade CC's vote on risk.atomi. risk unlurk, risk scare, now post more, only after vote.now talking about policy kenpachi trap while saying he not do policy things. risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:18.: That's why I say ney on policy lynching. It's ment to work as a threat to keep lazy/bad townies from doing rash stupid stuff that makes them look scummy and with that allow mafia to do what they want without sticking out. But that's no differen't from normal. In the end it all comes down to the townies to play intelligently and try not to do scummy stuff out of nowhere. Next post risk.nuke Sweden. April 02 2013 09:19: Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap. risk say no policy in first post, but risk talk about stupid policy in next post. risk say he no lynch RoL for kenpachi rule BEFORE defend himself, but say kenpachi rule legit and accurate when defend himself. ghor want sylencia to say if he think risk town or scum, not flipflop pinball, evidence there, comment on it. | ||
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ghor think sylencia scum. ##Vote: Sylencia | ||
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only update is ghor not think RoL that scummy any more, but not like initial play. now better. risk talk about fluff after he say he not like doing content of his fluff (policy). his defense, bad, he contradict. | ||
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On April 02 2013 11:13 Ghor wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. ghor think contradiction also very strong point.but ghor want long day. risk ok, risk on chopping block but no axe soon, axe later. wait for other information, milk day, find other scum. but that no scumslip, that was cc voting risk and risk saying he town and vote bad, you read thread pls hopeless.no offense. For low probability that risk do stupid mistake as town, 3 vote on risk mean scum can kill risk together. if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first. no go quick with axe. Ploha. ghor say risk scum early, ghor look for scum elsewhere, no like quick hammer. hopeless useless. he not able to read. | ||
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On April 03 2013 00:34 Hopeless1der wrote: so...you want to polarize the lynch between your initial scumread and somone who you say "won't comment" on your initial scumread. Why not just push to get risk lynched? ghor's quoted post answers question already. Hopeless very dull. here, for dummies.ghor pissed at dull hopeless.wastes ghor time, lets sylencia slip away, no interest in find out what sylencia want to do with risk. not able to read properly.
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Cheesecake back, sylencia goes away when scumread is back? @ CC Sylencia made huge post with many read. Say risk do odd thing, but it look like he think vote on risk make him bad candidate, and scum can hammer him quick. ghor say, if sylencia fears scum hammering risk and says the votes are bad, then he must think risk town. but he not want to say so. he also not comment on evidence. he only say risk would not catch attention as scum, which very weak argument. here: And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. | ||
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All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it. Hopeless, question: Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it? (Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) | ||
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On April 03 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote: okay well you know my reads, so i'm not sure what else I should do, other than shit a confirmation bias-conspiracy theory giant case on the thread. Hopeless can answer question. Why he think ghor scum for pointing out hopeless wrong argument against nuke? | ||
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April 02 2013 09:50 No I don't. No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument. April 02 2013 10:44. Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it. April 02 2013 10:59 If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda. Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum. Summary: Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it. Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL. But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow? Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective. explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away. | ||
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Then syl go away when scumread back. Syl not want argue about risk's early actions, hopeless interfere, he say me scum for trying look for scum outside of risk. | ||
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But ghor not see as deflect lynch, but see it as diluition (maybe that also deflect, but all semantics). Ghor see as lack of motivation to push scumreads, and give many null and useless reads, coupled with bad reason to defend risk. Sylencia lack of push, lack of gaining more information, lack of talking about risk with ghor. rest all in filter. | ||
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On April 03 2013 02:54 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 02:29 Ghor wrote: Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then: April 02 2013 09:50 No I don't. No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument. April 02 2013 10:44. Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it. April 02 2013 10:59 If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda. Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum. Summary: Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it. Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL. But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow? Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective. explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away. I didn't say I believed in the Kenpachi Rule. Viscera asked me if I thought RoL was scum from the Kenpachi Rule. I said no. I don't use methods like the Kenpachi Method or Meta to catch scum. Yet they work but I don't trust them, It's hard to explain. As mafia I could had said I thought the argument was strong and if it ended up in you not being convinced it was the only thing you could judge me for is having a different opinion then you about the Kenpachi Rule. Ghor not like "as mafia I". It same argument like sylencia's "risk not scum cause he draw attention". It be argument "scum not make mistake", weak argument. Ghor not fully convinced yet, but ghor want see why risk tell his scumread hopeless that it is stupid to think i am scum with risk. ghor would expect town risk to make case against hopeless and push for lynch now that he under fire, not tell him not to do stupid things and stop convincing people. | ||
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On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about? What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia). by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town. ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive). ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia. | ||
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If risk town, Cheesecake could keep vote on risk, agree on cases. Por ush easy lynch. If risk scum, unlikely Cheesecake early vote scumbuddy in instant majority.maybe crazy play. That connection based, maybe bad. but not think CC scum based on gut. Ghor think Sylencia become more scummy, he always delay contribution. Many excuse, no push for direction. No pressure when Cheesecake here. Only justify himself.Ask others if they have question. Sylencia goal survive, not hunt scum. Ghor think sylencia better lynch than risk or hopeless, cause ghor conflict read between two, maybe they opposite alignment, not think D1 bus. want wait, see how play. Lynch sylencia first. | ||
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ve want hopeless, not sylencia. risk want hopeless. not say anything about sylencia. ghor waiting for risk to say something, but he not.ghor need risk opinion for decide. ghor also see hopeless attack me when i attack sylencia.and hopeless say he either disruptive or he scum defending scum sylencia. ghor see strange lexical choice, strange explaining of motivation. wait for hopeless to explain. sylencia only defend himself, no interact with scumread, no push. Only busy. we at important point da | ||
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ghor kill hopeless, people wait for sylencia to answer. ghor want hammer. and sickle. da. ##Unvote ##hopeless1der | ||
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So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways. this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced. ##Unvote ##Vote Sylencia | ||
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sylencia not ask scumread CC question.sylencia not ask hopeless question. sylencia fake scumhunt. no hunt for information. he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam. Look in filter, what ghor say true. sylencia not interested in scumread, only passive say he lynch people. goes for ghor cause ghor look like troll, that initial reason. now only give other reason to stay on easy target. but ghor can stop troll if he want and sylencia very likely not stop tunnel. that cause sylencia scum. | ||
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he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam. | ||
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ebwop: he only try discredit ghor cause ghor trolls. ghor serious mental block now.make double mistake he not understand. | ||
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writing strange = hard. forget fast ghor will resume: hopeless -> risk, ghor risk -> hopeless sylencia -> hopeless, ghor. risk no comment on sylencia, but ghor asked to. he delay. no comment yet. ghor pissed. hopeless no comment on sylencia. he attack ghor when ghor question sylencia. sylencia no comment hopeless, scummy defense of risk. this constellation leave ghor unsure and conflicting. ghor rethought risk again, townread he gave spontaneously maybe wrong, but rethinking also good scum candidate. but ghor need compromise on one of them. and ghor knows he prefer sylencia most, but would compromise on other two. hopeless, need opinion on sylencia, too. need opinion on sylencia from risk. | ||
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His disinterest in milking his scumreads. He never asks hopeless or cc a question or interacts with them when they are his scumreads. His posts looks like he cares a lot about his image in the thread, he answers most people that mention him in negative ways, he looks very defensive, tries hard to not have a bad image instead of convincing others to lynch his scumreads. He does not seem to make an effort in taking control of thread direction, only says who he wants to lynch, mostly not with much reasoning. These are things not easy to make a case with. I could dissect his posts, but I think it's better if others checked it for themselves. Especially the timing stuff is hard to gain from the filter alone. You have to have developed a feeling of context for this, and you only gain that with involvement and reading everything, not just filter. | ||
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I think townies are less self-centered, sylencia seems to be very concerned about his own image. His disinterest in lashing out at scumreads is another point that confirms that. Wants to lynch hopeless without interacting with him, ever, and says in advance that I still look bad if hopeless flips town, which is a strange thing to say. He already reevaluates the read on me before a flip that would give information, that sounds to me like he wants to push me no matter what. I don't know if he's lynch bait, but I do not think that should be a barrier to lynch people who look scummy. | ||
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I also think I'll pull back my townread from risk, it was a rash decision cause I couldn't choose between risk and hopeless at that moment, and I don't see them being scum together, especially since I'm sure syl is scum. I'm back to risk or sylencia for the moment. Those are my two candidates I want to hammer. I should be back shortly before deadline, if my vote will be needed on risk, else it's on syl anyway. If not, it looks like hopeless is the preferred hammer candidate by most of town currently. | ||
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On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote: I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me. I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch. That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? This isn't majority lynch. If there are 4 votes on syl, would you hammer him to ensure a lynch even if you say you don't want to lynch him? I would also like to correct you. I didn't say activity is a reason you're town, I said it's not a reason to think that. Lurking as scum in this active town is pretty dangerous, so you are forced to not play to your scum meta. Hence not alignment indicative, and you have been put under pressure early. | ||
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I read that as scared from risk. He doesn't think he's scum but he wouldn't not vote for him. As for convincing you, I'll try to make a quick case. But I have low battery power so I might have to push it out incomplete. | ||
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I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. | ||
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Well I will only say one thing right now: My reads were based on more than just calling people braindead (and you'll have to prove your points by quoting my posts. Hint: You probably can't). And you say I only OMGUS people, but risk actually didn't say I'm scum. | ||
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@ CC Can you give a quick recap of why you find/found hopeless scummy? Do you find risk scummy? How would you prioritize your choices? @ risk You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why? Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk? I would also like to expand on why I still find you suspicious. In this post (~ 1:30 time) you say We're not lynching anyone else but hopeless, followed by a post telling him why he is scum (as opposed to trying to convince others). Several hours later you show exactly the opposite attitude, slowly starting to agree with the points against sylencia and not mentioning the only guy you thought should be lynched hours ago. Not even finding it suspicious that there's someone starting a counterbandwagon away from your top scumread, instead you sheep exactly that one? @ Hopeless Any opinion on the points against me by CC and my points against CC? Where do me and CC stand, relative to risk? | ||
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That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait). You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now. Why do you find CC suspicious? | ||
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On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote: @ risk You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why? Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk? Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote: I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote: I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me. I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch. That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote: Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote: I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one. That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait). You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now. Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o] ##Vote risk.nuke | ||
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On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made. My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game. Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts. My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases. Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game. The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense. | ||
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Where do you show to the thread that you even think RoL could be scum since you seemed to have preferred him over sylencia? There is zero effort from you to work towards the objectives you claimed to have. You could also expand on pointing out what you find weird about CC. Cause finding stuff weird and leaving it at that isn't the best way to follow a trail. Don't you have anything to ask to CC? | ||
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Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum. RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ghor, sup buddy? + Show Spoiler + Ghor's been focusing on 3 main people this game. Initially, Risk, who was the easiest target from D1. Then Syl. And Hopeless to a certain extent. Look how the Syl and Hopeless scumreads developed... On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote: Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick. but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad. ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away. what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum. sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve. he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum? sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part. Show nested quote + riskOn April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright.. My thoughts so far: - Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret. risk - risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said. - Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here. - Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you. - Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it. Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action. -VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on. I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me. ##Vote Mr. Cheesecake Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote: Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home. As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote: Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me. Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes. People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once. I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\ Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead. this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about. Sylencia finds Ghor to be a wildcard and scummy. Ghor essentially says in the bolded is, "Sylencia lied about me. I contribute. I do townie things. Sylencia lie." He says that Syl was focusing on other people than his main scumread (me?). Syl was focusing on Ghor being scum in that post, not myself. Why is Syl focusing on Ghor instead of me scummy? It's not ---> Ghor is nervous about something. He then proceeds to tunnel Sylencia the entire day based on this fact. On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote: ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia. All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it. Hopeless, question: Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it? (Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) Ghor now has a scumread on Hopeless. He thinks Risk / Ghor scumteam, huh? Wrong! I pointed out all of these fallacies. His scumread on Hopeless seems to be based on the fact that Hopeless is an idiot rather than scum. What's really interesting is that Ghor never budges his Syl case and rides it to majority. On April 03 2013 11:04 Ghor wrote: Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices. Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about? What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia). by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town. ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive). ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia. Keeps Risk and Hopeless as an option but still never considers them seriously. On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote: ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post. Show nested quote + So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways. this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced. ##Unvote ##Vote Sylencia Ghors mind: Shit, he's going to hammer Hopeless and I'll look terrible. He also thinks I look terrible anyway. BETTER RIDE THIS SYL LYNCH HOME BABY! Summary: - Ghor initially thinks Syl is scum because he lied about him, and said a bunch of mean things. Syl was pressuring Ghor, and Ghor no like this. - Ghor thinks Hopeless could be scum because he is 'braindead' and thinks Ghor is scum with risk. Only has this read after VE and myself call him out. - For someone who called Syl "Too self-centered", he seems to be very careful about his image and quick to retaliate; people who are suspect of him are his top scumreads. ##Vote: Ghor I don't think Risk is scum with Ghor, for the record. Point 1: I thought Syl was scum for a multitude of reasons, as shown by my numerous cases. Point 2: Hopeless attacked both you and me for things that weren't true/resulted from reading mistakes. Since it persisted for longer time and he attacked me while I was pressuring sylencia and trying to get answers from him, I assumed it was malicious. Point 3: Didn't OMGUS risk.nuke, and the "careful about image thing" isn't conform with how I led the Sylencia lynch late in the day. So yeah, two points to falsify this view. | ||
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Point 1 and 2 applied during day1 already. Point 3 is generalized and not true. And the fact that you didn't find me scummy for the same points D1 still applies. You say yourself you didn't find me scummy, so you're either saying that you didn't notice it, or you admit that you only call it out as scummy when it fits your needs. | ||
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If someone would be so kind to get RoL to talk, cause currently I don't see much reason to believe that he's town, while he should actually post according to his free time now. Anyway, I'm off. | ||
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Also respond to my previous points please. You ignored it. On April 05 2013 22:05 Ghor wrote: I don't see you trying to persuade anyone of switching to hopeless, only say what you prefer. That's not opposing a lynch, as isn't saying you would lynch your null-read over your scumread. Where do you show to the thread that you even think RoL could be scum since you seemed to have preferred him over sylencia? There is zero effort from you to work towards the objectives you claimed to have. You could also expand on pointing out what you find weird about CC. Cause finding stuff weird and leaving it at that isn't the best way to follow a trail. Don't you have anything to ask to CC? | ||
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I want to know who's with me in lynching him and who thinks he's not scum. | ||
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I can't exclude that RoL is scum so I'd like to wait for him to respond to what he thinks of risk and CC. These three are currently those who look the scummiest to me. The host still didn't say when he'll want the day to end so it seems like we have time, but people seriously need to step up and start contributing (and reading) more (risk) or we'll end up never hitting scum. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VE isn't a good lynch today. The only way i see VE being scum is with Ghor or perhaps lazer. Either way, i dont think VE is scum. I didnt get a scum feelkng from when he did he little tunnel on me Ghor or Risk is the best lynch. Preferably Ghor <3 dat bias. @lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol? Wait let me get this straight. You have me as scumread. You can only see VE as scum if I'm scum. But either way you don't see VE being scum. And you have the guy I currently want to lynch as my scumbuddy. What do you smoke over there? | ||
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I want to lynch CC and risk equally. Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC. CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk. Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened? @ Lazer Don't think VE is scum. | ||
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RoL → VE (+ risk and CC?) VE → CC, RoL Hopeless → RoL (+risk?) Risk → Ghor (+hopeless? CC?) CC → Risk, Ghor Lazer → VE (+Ghor?) This is the last thing CC wrote to his scumread risk: On April 05 2013 09:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Risk It disappoints the Cake that you have suddenly disappeared. You obviously hate Hopeless, etc and even agree with (at least one) of my thoughts on Ghor. You seem to just pop in, egg VE on to pressure me, and then leave. Sir, what is your opinion of me? How do you just 'let Hopeless off the hook' as well? Then, risk. Notice how risk abandoned all of his earlier scumreads/suspects to go for my lynch when I wrote that case against him, to which he reacted in a very emotional way before fucking off definitely. CC, explain what makes you think risk is scum. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:35 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 23:16 risk.nuke wrote: On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote: RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE. Ghor-Rol scumslip RoL claim two scumreads Ghor knew it was me and CC. Hey risk, how about answering the questions. Fyi, I deduced that from RoL's filter in the course of two or three posts. Let's see if you can find them. | ||
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RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise! VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be? On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind. On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so. ##vote: VisceraEyes If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of. DO IT UP On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched. Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese | ||
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You on the other hand have a lot to explain. | ||
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I wrote the stuff several hours after RoL's last post, so I had way of knowing/assuming what his scumreads were. You only quote his first post as evidence, where he says CC is not scum, but in the latest he says the opposite, so 1. He said that he has CC as scumread. 2. The funniest thing about this, you shouldn't even know if you're right. So you're basically doing something similar to what you're accusing me of: You say I couldn't know if you are his scumread, but how are you supposed to know that you are REALLY his scumread? Instead you say it's a scumslip, cause you must know that you really are his scumslip? Did RoL correct me?Did he confirm it?Why are you so sure then that it's really his scumread, but without showing where you got that from (cause if you knew it, you would know mine wasn't a scumslip) Since I have a deductive base where I got that from (and you didn't properly read RoL's posts else you would know he said he currently has CC as scum), you just slipped truly, by your own definition. | ||
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Instead you say it's a scumslip, cause you must know that you really are his scumread? | ||
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Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind. Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so. On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched. Of the three people he mentioned in quote 1, 2 were scumreads, so what will the third be? And yes, I am so arrogant to assume I know his last scumread. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 07:49 Ghor wrote: I don't have time to play these games actually, here. RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise! VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be? On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind. On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so. ##vote: VisceraEyes If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of. DO IT UP On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched. Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese I never once said I thought CC was town. I specified that among my three scum reads, the inactivity during the day while cheese was on the table would seem to indicate that of my 3 scum reads he could be wrong. Even though I still find his behavior suspect. If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote: RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE. | ||
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You're not going to get me lynched, and I want to know if you're really scum, so just answer the damn questions asked two days ago. You've started acting really emotionally and irrational since I've made that case on you, and that doesn't look good for the rest of the thread I can assure that. I have noted: You said you found CC suspicious, but you unvoted him quickly after your pressure vote and lost interest. You pushed hopeless since D1, but dropped that entirely to attack me once I declared I wanted to lynch you, and contributed in letting the thread die by ignoring my discussion.Plus, all the reasons listed here. | ||
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I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me. He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers. I need him to talk civil before deciding. | ||
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Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum? | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case. This still bugs me, Ghor. Why did you blame people for dropping 'casually' onto the sylencia lynch when it was T-minus 5 minutes to deadline and it was going to be a no-lyncher? I think we had 4 people do it; Hopeless, and simultaneously almost: VE,Risk, and myself last minute. It's weird because you never mention VE at all (he was 'trying to be convinced' remember), but call the rest of us out for it. You also complain that we dropped casually, but wasn't that the goal of your case against Syl? To get us to vote him? I don't know if I was biased there, but my feeling about you and risk especially was that you didn't care about your own scumreads at that point, and you (CC) sheeped my case while I was your scumread, I find your reasoning back then to not have been transparent. Coupled with you making a case on me about things that happened long ago when you were visibly active added enough for me to think you're scum, and you never responded to this point afaik despite it being mentioned multiple times. The way VE went about it, unsure and not rash didn't give me the impression that he just wanted to get over with mislynching a townie quickly. And Sylencia did indeed look scummy. Risk seemed to not be wanting to lynch Sylencia, but he didn't feel like defending him either and constantly mentioned both points in favor and disfavor instead of arguing why his only scumread at the point, hopeless, would be a better lynch. In retrospect he refers to Sylencia as townread when trying to claim townie points for it, but then again he referred to him as null read when justifying the hammer on him. Not to mention his OMGUS vote and overreaction after my case on him, coupled with not wanting to discuss things in the thread. So much for making my reasons for my current stance clear. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor ##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. | ||
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Casual pressure vote, no serious questions, no serious answers. Risk doesn't feel threatened, CC is fine that he doesn't answer, so his own question doesn't seem to really matter to him. More importantly, after risk gained two votes, he refers to CC's vote as being "fine, it's just a pressure vote" before Cheese even came back to the thread to unvote. He had no way of knowing how Cheese would react to what had been posted about risk and visibly didn't take that vote as serious even before Cheese came back. He does say it's odd that Cheese was still voting him and completely disappeared after the initial phase, but when Cheese comes back, risk ignores him and proceeds to pushing for hopeless. When Cheese came back, he even said he has no idea about why people voted risk, without commenting on the evidence or even acting consistently with the fact that he noticed risk lurking in early game already. In summary, I sense a whole lot of acting and carelessness about finding each other's alignment between the two, despite acting like they're both an early focus of each other initially. On April 02 2013 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e.On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Blah blah blah policy blah blah On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that.Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly. I don't support your policy. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^). I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made? No. I generally think policy lynches suck. And i dont think ive ever seen one work out for the best. Meanwhile ##vote: risk.nuke because said hi but doesnt wanna be nice and talk with us. On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On the contrary, best vote ever. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. On April 02 2013 08:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Sooo risky, what say you to lazers policy shenannies? On April 02 2013 08:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote: You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? Well i sure don't feel like studying. On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote: Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me. Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes. People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once. I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. On April 02 2013 22:28 iamperfection wrote: Perfect count Risk.Nuke ( 3 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD VisceraEyes ( 0 ): Sylencia ( 0 ): Mr. CheeseCake ( 1 ): Sylencia Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, Ghor, Hopeless1der, LazerMonkey With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep. ##Unvote I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me. In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy" I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand... Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote: I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today. On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Howdy folks! @Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct? Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out? | ||
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You have my seal of approval for the hammer. | ||
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On April 09 2013 01:57 Lazermonkey wrote: I'd say that it is terribly dangerous to make pre-flip accusations. If you try hard enough, you can find connections between any players in the game and pointing out how they would make sense if they are both scum. Ghor, do you really have no preferance between risk and CC? I'm currently rereading the whole thread and half through. I see a lot of potentially scummy stuff, that's the problem. Currently I'm at the part where Axle pressures hopeless: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187743 and I'm considering his scumread of hopeless together with the fact that Axle was NKd, which would usually be a weird choice, but he wanted to kill hopeless. Lazer can you dig through that part as well and give me an opinion of hopeless? He actually did lots of scummy stuff early and most of his risk case, shortly after Axle's case is pretty laughable imo. | ||
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He has not been contributing anything lately even when his scumread risk is up for lynch. No attempts at persuading people, Axle who thought he was scum got NKd, a guy who is considered Chezinuish, and he said a lot of heavily inconsistent things regarding me early. | ||
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- risk and CC always vote for the same stuff. But CC has risk as scum. - Risk and CC tried to switch last minute to Sylencia, but apparently didn't play a role in the lynch. Why didn't they summarize their points against Hopeless before the lynch? - Hopeless is a jumpy voter, a case bitch. On April 04 2013 07:00 Hapahauli wrote: HOST COUNT risk.nuke ( 0): VisceraEyes ( 0 ): Sylencia ( 5 ): Mr. Cheesecake ( 1 ): Ghor ( 0 ): Hopeless1der ( 2 ): Not Voting ( 1 ): Sylencia With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Sylencia has been lynched. On April 08 2013 14:43 Hapahauli wrote: Sleepy Count: VisceraEyes ( 1 ): hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke ( 2 ): RebirthOfLegend ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake ( 0 ): Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, Not Voting ( 0 ): With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch. On April 09 2013 02:17 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + If you have the time, I'd suggest you to skim through of his other town games. hopeless is a known lynch bait and for that matter I feel very uncomfortable with lynching him just because his play is lacking.On April 09 2013 02:02 Ghor wrote: On April 09 2013 01:57 Lazermonkey wrote: I'd say that it is terribly dangerous to make pre-flip accusations. If you try hard enough, you can find connections between any players in the game and pointing out how they would make sense if they are both scum. Ghor, do you really have no preferance between risk and CC? I'm currently rereading the whole thread and half through. I see a lot of potentially scummy stuff, that's the problem. Currently I'm at the part where Axle pressures hopeless: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187743 and I'm considering his scumread of hopeless together with the fact that Axle was NKd, which would usually be a weird choice, but he wanted to kill hopeless. Lazer can you dig through that part as well and give me an opinion of hopeless? He actually did lots of scummy stuff early and most of his risk case, shortly after Axle's case is pretty laughable imo. Anyhow, I don't feel like killing hopeless today. You were comfortable killing Sylencia though. Why defend RoL and hopeless as lynch bait but not Sylencia? I feel really troubled about guessing who's scum currently. Why doesn't anyone bring a few strong points to the table? I feel like most of town tries to shoot fish in a barrel. I need some help in here | ||
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I feel he does deserve a lynch. There's so much looking scummy from many players but he has just shown that he lurks without interest when he's not under pressure. He also doesn't seem to care about who gets lynched or try to be a part of discussion or influence the thread when he's not up for lynch. I think that's indicative of him being scum. He also lurks and doesn't seem to want to answer. ##Vote hopeless1der It would be much easier to find scum if more people were active -_- | ||
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On April 09 2013 02:35 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + While I'm obviously not RoL (duh -.-), I want to expand a little bit on this as it is the main reason I'm voting VE. On April 08 2013 09:12 Ghor wrote: RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM? Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum? RoL were for all of D1 and during the beginning of D2 a lurker. When he actually started to post during D2, the first thing he did was to vote VE without any reasoning what so ever and then asking if everyone else were happy with killing VE. This is bad town play. But also terrible terrible scum play. VE should be good enough to know this. but yet he votes RoL. And I'm not calling RoL town for this, in fact he could be scum with VE. But that's not the point. The point is that VE was not voting or suspecting RoL during the time he lurked but only when he derped, trying to justify a vote for RoLs bad play, even though it's not indicative of RoL being scum. I've seen scum play obviously anti-town or "too scummy to be scum" as well. That defense is a little wifomy. Check out Dandel Ion in British Mafia II, he was trolling and not giving a fuck about the game all day. We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure. If scum plays well they can simulate these points but given that the thread was so dead I don't think they have felt the need to put much effort into the game unless you poke them with threats. And that's what we should be doing now. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:39 Ghor wrote: After this part, I went back through something and I'd like to play some advocatus diaboli with myself. Before the D1 lynch, VE claimed that he wanted to lynch hopeless, and asked people to convince him to prefer Sylencia over Hopeless. Before slowly moving to Sylencia, he actually called hopeless scummy for something, but never voted for him or pushed his lynch afterwards (and a lot in town wanted to lynch hopeless) Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Furthermore he lied about it in the thread. Observe. On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. On April 03 2013 01:48 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 03 2013 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Hopeless if you really felt that way your vote would be on risk.nuke. You're accusing Ghor of being risk's "scumbuddy" because he's not voting for risk. What the hell are you doing? Not voting for risk. You say Ghor is attacking Sylencia in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. What are you doing? Attacking Ghor in lieu of pushing risk.nuke. Your play is wholly and completely contradictory and scummy as sin. Do you have anything to say for yourself? My vote on ghor was to get him to answer my bloody question about his stance on risk instead of directing me to his filter. ##Unvote: Ghor ##Vote: risk.nuke When confronted about his vote on Ghor he says it was to get him to answer his question, but as you can see from the first post, he clearly says that he feels like Ghor should be considered for lynch today. Inconsistent. Scummy. Which is something that I could see VE doing if he's hopeless' scumbuddy. And I don't see how he just completely skips the strong point he's made against hopeless to ask people to win him over to a sylencia lynch. Opinions please? | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2013 03:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Stupid logic to me. Anyway, I'd like to wrap this lynch up soon. If we have another "FUCK, LAST MINUTE HAMMER" situation things will not turn out well. Hopeless, I said speak, not vote! I have revised my read on ghor to town. risk is still scum and I want him dead today. How is your read on me of relevance?You wanted to lynch RoL earlier, what about that read? | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: SOMEONE DROP THE FUCKIN' HAMMA Risk still lurkin' after so many got the discussion back into rolling, I suppose I'll treat it as definitive surrender. Gogogo ##Unvote ##Vote risk.nuke | ||
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On April 09 2013 01:25 Ghor wrote: This looks like early "playful" interaction between scumbuddies. Casual pressure vote, no serious questions, no serious answers. Risk doesn't feel threatened, CC is fine that he doesn't answer, so his own question doesn't seem to really matter to him. More importantly, after risk gained two votes, he refers to CC's vote as being "fine, it's just a pressure vote" before Cheese even came back to the thread to unvote. He had no way of knowing how Cheese would react to what had been posted about risk and visibly didn't take that vote as serious even before Cheese came back. He does say it's odd that Cheese was still voting him and completely disappeared after the initial phase, but when Cheese comes back, risk ignores him and proceeds to pushing for hopeless. When Cheese came back, he even said he has no idea about why people voted risk, without commenting on the evidence or even acting consistently with the fact that he noticed risk lurking in early game already. In summary, I sense a whole lot of acting and carelessness about finding each other's alignment between the two, despite acting like they're both an early focus of each other initially. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e.On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Blah blah blah policy blah blah On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote: My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that.Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly. I don't support your policy. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^). I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made? No. I generally think policy lynches suck. And i dont think ive ever seen one work out for the best. Meanwhile ##vote: risk.nuke because said hi but doesnt wanna be nice and talk with us. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Sooo risky, what say you to lazers policy shenannies? Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 08:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote: You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? Well i sure don't feel like studying. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote: Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me. Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes. People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once. I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 22:28 iamperfection wrote: Perfect count Risk.Nuke ( 3 ): Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLeGenD VisceraEyes ( 0 ): Sylencia ( 0 ): Mr. CheeseCake ( 1 ): Sylencia Not Voting ( 5 ): AxleGreaser, Risk.Nuke, Ghor, Hopeless1der, LazerMonkey With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. This is instant majority lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep. ##Unvote I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me. In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy" I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand... On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote: I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today. On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Howdy folks! @Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct? Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out? | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: VE, you have been sheeping votes, never provided original play, demanded others contribute and convince you to kill sylencia or hopeless. In the end after saying you wouldn't kill Sylencia you are the one who hammers him. Scummy. However, if you choose to hammer Risk right now I will not accuse you have sheeping and will legitimately try to reevaluate not just you, but every player and the game in its entirety. You have my solemn word! This is a pretty weird thing to say, you know. We don't even know if risk will flip red and it almost feels like you're offering VE a townread just cause he'd lynch him, no matter what alignment he is? | ||
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On to serious matters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404818¤tpage=16#305 On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind. On April 08 2013 08:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 08:54 risk.nuke wrote: On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE? Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda. With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any. I'm always curious to what people think because unlike you who probably knows every players alignment I concede there is a chance my read can be wrong and a players thoughts could be worthwhile later. Alternatively it allows me to interpret what they attempt to do and decide how much wifom to go into. Suck it. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Risk.nuke If anyone cares to read his posting it's abrasive as shit and jumps on stupid tells/slips the whole game. Risk.nuke sucks and needs to die. Can we agree on this ghur? On April 08 2013 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: HEY GUYS WHY ISN'T RISK.NUKE DEAD YET?!? On April 08 2013 16:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I'm not scum. Can you both just kill risk.nuke already? On April 09 2013 05:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: SOMEONE DROP THE FUCKIN' HAMMA I'm excluding cheese as scum based on connection here cause of RoL's early case and him having Cheese as scumread during D2, along with two now dead townies (that's not the only point though). I said something earlier: On April 09 2013 02:42 Ghor wrote: We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure. RoL fits the profile perfectly. He didn't discuss shit when I tried to D2, both during his CC and risk case he didn't try to infer further who could be scum and if he's right or wrong, he's only active in the final phase, and he was spamming a lot in order to get risk hammered fast. Sucks I didn't notice earlier. ##Vote RoL Gonna try to guess who of hopeless/lazer is the last scum now. | ||
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Currently looking through filters assuming RoL is scum, and I think I'll ignore RoL's early case against CC cause there is connection based stuff speaking in favour of all three candidates. Need to search for someone having scummy ties with RoL, or suggesting that they know his alignment through their actions. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 04:11 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having concerns about RoL atm. His whole game thus far has been very lurky and can be summerized by: 1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all. 2. Voting risk. 3. Case on CC. 4. - I'm cool with RoL beeing busy and what not but why the fuck does he post a case on CC and ignore everything else that was in the thread at that time? What happend with his scum read on Risk? He doesn't even mention Sylencia nor Hopeless once. Posting a case is cool and stuff but if the person your case on is relatively active, doesn't have alot of suspicioun on him etc then you cannot realisticly excpect to get that person lynched. I'm having a few concerns with Hopeless and CC as well but for now ##Vote: RoL On April 05 2013 23:28 Lazermonkey wrote: Just skimmed through. I strongly dislike american capitalist-swine Ghor. I want old Ghor back, this one is an imposter. ##Unvote ##Vote: Ghor Please note that Ghor is one vote away from getting killed! On April 06 2013 01:00 Lazermonkey wrote: You don't make any sense, why would you ask me about Risks actions the last couple of pages if you only had minor issues of some sort and you need him to give an answer to those questions? I figuered you were probebly having some form of scum read on him or wanted to set some form of trap for me but the fact that you explain it away by saying "just wanted your opinion" seems like total BS in my opinion. ##Unvote ##Vote: CC On April 08 2013 03:53 Lazermonkey wrote: Holy bandoly batman. RoL wtf are you doing? On April 08 2013 04:12 Lazermonkey wrote: RoL-voters, explain why RoL posting the most lack luster case there ever was on VE and then proceed to lurk once again is indicative of him being scum. Yes, it is terrible play of him but the fact that you vote him for it is even more surprising to me. RoL is looking like the biggest fucking lynch bait ever and saying that he doesn't care about the game isn't a good enough reason to kill him. Sooo WHY are you voting him now and not before? That makes zero sense... ##Unvote Hopeless is doing whatever so I dunno if he just is really bad. VE is a good player and I can kill him, he wouldn't do this if he would've been town Vote: VE | ||
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1. Fucking with VE. I don't think there was anything productive with his vote at all. RoL-voters, explain why RoL posting the most lack luster case there ever was on VE and then proceed to lurk once again is indicative of him being scum. Yes, it is terrible play of him but the fact that you vote him for it is even more surprising to me. | ||
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On April 09 2013 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I kinda figured you were medic after you asked for protection, Ghor. My first game as doctor I did the same exact thing night 1, and got killed :p. I was hoping scum didn't pick up on that and kill you l0l. Heh, scum didn't figure it out this time :d . Who do you think are the two scum between RoL, LM and hopeless? I am most sure about RoL currently but his scumbuddy sure does a good job. A few things I caught up while rereading: Hopeless attacked risk saying "Risk knows CC is town", the early "scumslip". While it wasn't a scumslip, it would speak for a scum hopeless cause he might know you're town (assuming you are) and immediately interpreted that post by risk as scummy according to his prior major knowledge. Hopeless also has shown inconsistency regarding RoL. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote: both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and B) wont vote us in the interim suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you?Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more. What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason. On April 07 2013 13:03 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so. ##vote: VisceraEyes If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of. DO IT UP ##Unvote:risk.nuke ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD LM defended both hopeless and RoL as lynch bait, but said hopeless was an ok lynch after being asked. He didn't defend Sylencia as lynch bait. His attack on RoL was fairly unserious and his arguments inconsistent, and he attacked a lot of his former townreads during D2, but without really sticking to them. | ||
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Let's see what these three bring to the table. If hopeless keeps not showing the activity of D1 I'll lynch him. | ||
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RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote: RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic. In fact, you actually prove my point. Lazer defended both Hopeless and RoL and had outs with pretty much either one, especially Hopeless. Yeah you're right. We still have time and I'll keep digging through LM. I do somewhat want to get the other scumread pinned down at the same time cause I won't be able to find it when I'm dead, if we lynch correctly. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hmm... I can't really see the possibility of a Hopeless + RoL team. They were both lurky fucks the entire game and did stupid shit. Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now. From what I gained so far you wouldn't lynch RoL? | ||
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Even when he announced he had time to be more active I didn't see the discussion and information digging I'd expect from him. So at the moment, we have these people wanting to lynch: CC: Lazermonkey, Hopeless Me: RoL and someone I don't know yet. I'm not sure about CC either. Hopeless, RoL, LM. Please state your lynch choices. | ||
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I also noticed something else that would probably support your association: On April 02 2013 22:42 Lazermonkey wrote: Btw risk, your main argument against Hopeless at this point is that he entered the thread and was posting but didn't actually say anything of value, i.e. actively lurking. While I do agree this point, I feel that this was exactly how Sylencia entetered the thread. Yet you only mention Hopeless, why is that? I do know that Sylencia have since then been posting one big post but earlier you posted this: Show nested quote + mentioning Hopeless but never Sylencia and that is well before Sylencias big post.On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote: Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling. You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting. For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum. On April 03 2013 07:09 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + isn't this like exactly what Ghor did? or am I missing something? You don't seem to think that he is scummy. On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else. Your other point is quite good though,I must admit. But Syl looks far worse still. On April 03 2013 07:12 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: And to clarify I don't actually agree with your first point! Lazer always agreed with the points being scummy, but instead of drawing conclusions about hopeless he soft-defended him by pointing out other players who did the same stuff. Except for the point that also applies to sylencia, I don't really understand the motivation here to post this stuff. LM agreed on points being scummy about both me and hopeless but actually didn't suspect me at the time. e Then he called out CC and risk for not being on hopeless for good reason, but said me and VE had good reasons to be on hopeless. If he deemed these reasons to be "good", then why didn't he push hopeless with them? VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. So, Lazermonkey defended hopeless 1 vote away from his lynch. But he did actually defend him pretty hard, do you think he would defend a scumbuddy like that? | ||
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On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote: What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum...On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum?No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote: I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet. I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote: Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you. I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. Do you see scumbuddies posting this though? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 05:16 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + Yes he did. On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 05 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote: What?! I was doing the EXACT same thing as risk was doing ( except the other way around). I pushed Sylencia the whole day, defended you and STILL was willing to vote you. So, please explain how Risks actions only makes him scum...On April 05 2013 04:44 Lazermonkey wrote: On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: The alternative for him would be a No-lynch. I was on the verge of voting you at that time as no lynch is really fucking terrible, does it make me scum?No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as On April 03 2013 03:17 risk.nuke wrote: I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet. I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later. On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? On April 04 2013 05:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote: Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you. I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today. Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch? lol... Where does it look like I stand? risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him. risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one. Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote: We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless. Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town. And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased. Sylencia. Who do you want to kill? Show nested quote + This does indeed look like pushing to me. Don't know what you consider pushing though.On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made. My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game. Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts. My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases. Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game. The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense. LM is actively talking back against hopeless' arguments and even going through risk's filter to bring up arguments in risk's favor. I don't see scum doing that to each other and posting information in a townie's favor, and if they did, they should get a medal for the acting, still makes me think they can't have the same alignment (if one is scum). I stick to the opinion. He was inactive to the point of getting warned multiple times and doesn't seem to really give a fuck about figuring out scum, only about lynching people with few reasoning and prior investigation. Cheesecake, what do you think of RoL-CC scumteam? | ||
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I also find it interesting that he gives RoL a townie read. @lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol? HOPELESS Do you not think Ghor is scum still? You said you were 'less convinced' but I don't recall anything recently regarding Ghor. You seem to arise the minute RoL comes in and vote him for doing a stupid VE vote. Okay the problem here is that If RoL were scum Idk if he'd kill VE. Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies. Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary. | ||
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Where did your fancy CC read go, and why does your latest post suggest interest into LM? | ||
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Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies. Scumslip? You speak of Rol being the townie, but say it begs for associations that HE gave Lazer a townread, and not the contrary. Nevermind this one actually, the sentence confused me a little. RoL you bring up a pretty good point actually I'm being a little tunneled, should not be rash with my vote, even if you look bad. ##Unvote | ||
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Curse risk for giving up and not discussing last day and Sylencia for coming back a few minutes after the lynch. This is frustrating. Hopeless just doesn't do shit except throw in a few one-liners once in a while, and doesn't come in when things matter. RoL what do you suggest for lynch? | ||
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On April 10 2013 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor unvote plox. RoL is scum, but you were willing to unvote him. If you're wrong, scum can come in and hammer if they coordinate Look at that, a wild hopeless delurks. I know RoL is also scum, and I'm fully aware I'm going all-in on you. | ||
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On April 10 2013 07:29 Hopeless1der wrote: that hour long delurk...k. I don't really know how to convince you otherwise. Why are you more convinced I'm scum? Your town meta. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826&user=123725¤tpage=All http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&user=123725¤tpage=All http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945&user=123725¤tpage=All http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=123725 The only challenging thing after that was choosing your scumbuddy between Lazer and RoL but given some of the conversation that happened between you and LM that I wouldn't expect between scumbuddies, I excluded him and that leaves RoL. You were both constantly pushing for a quick risk hammer yesterday without taking part in the discussion I was trying to create. RoL never was interested in lynching or discussing you, you barely appear in his filter, and there is no conversation. CC is very active and if he's your scumbuddy he deserves to win, but he pushed for your lynch and tried to dissuade LM from preferring Sylencia yesterday so I'm confident he isn't. You and RoL it is. | ||
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Half of this game is him being afk, one quarter is justifying himself, the other quarter is making cases, then either fuck off or spam to hammer the read. Then discussing stuff like where his townreads come from and the benefits of no-lynching, and asking who the medic is. | ||
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On April 10 2013 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote: GHOR FUCK YOUR QUICK RISK HAMMER WTF I SAID I WAS READING Sorry must have missed that. Got trigger-happy there cause I was suspicious and pissed at risk not wanting to post and wanted to see his flip. | ||
Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote: Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote: On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote: @ risk You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why? Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk? Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote: I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote: I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me. I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch. That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote: Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote: On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote: On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote: I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one. That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait). You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now. Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o] ##Vote risk.nuke + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote: LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy? Where do your logic come from? ##vote: Ghor I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so. I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote: ##Unvote Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum. RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote: In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote: Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take. RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote: I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote: I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view. I want to lynch CC and risk equally. Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC. CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk. Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened? @ Lazer Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote: I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer. I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me. He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers. I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him. | ||
Ghor
Russian Federation140 Posts
On April 10 2013 20:44 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote: First, something relevant: All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote: Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote: On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote: @ risk You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why? Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk? Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all . I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote: I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote: I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me. I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch. That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote: Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote: On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote: On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote: I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one. That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait). You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now. Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o] ##Vote risk.nuke + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote: LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy? Where do your logic come from? ##vote: Ghor I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so. I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote: ##Unvote Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum. RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote: In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote: Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take. RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote: I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote: I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view. I want to lynch CC and risk equally. Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC. CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk. Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened? @ Lazer Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote: I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer. I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me. He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers. I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him. Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so. The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me? I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here. serious business yo. I laughed at dafty little fucker though | ||
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