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On April 11 2013 02:03 kushm4sta wrote: @mocsta that wasn't me lol. which mafia player is the best at sc2 i wonder? Well Ret played at least one game, so I think he may be the winner of that title. | ||
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The rl thing that was taking up all my time ended earlier than expected :D | ||
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#1: Please give us a way to see who out of the two of you is talking every post getmoript. I know it's mostly going to be geript, but it would just be nice for clarity's sake. A simple "-geript" at the end of a post would be nice. #2: I honestly don't know what to think of this strange heuristic thing, and I'm honestly more interested to see how oats responds to Palmar, and how Palmar responds to that. I'm overall getting a town-read on Vivax since as Cheesecake said, recklessness is usually a town trait.It's a pretty weak town read, but I just want to get out of this stupid argument that is really getting us nowhere now. #3: Are we even sure that BM was roleclaiming Snape(self-aware miller)? It's probable, but I want to hear his response before confirming that. On that subject, milllers should not roleclaim. It's been said already that we may want to policy lynch roleclaiming millers from this point on, and I'd agree with that, as we can't speculate on what kind of rolelist blazinghand gave us. We don't know how many there are, and as such can not use that info productively (who knows, maybe BH gave us 5 self-aware millers). Those are my thoughts so far, it's good to be back! :D | ||
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Oats still seems scummy to me. His attitude around that accusation is weird to me, plus he was actively trying to dissuade a town read that VE had instead of actively hunting for scum. His one scum post was against geript, which we now know is pseudo-confirmed :/ I want to see some more posts from him , but until then ##Vote Oatsmaster. | ||
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On April 22 2013 09:10 kushm4sta wrote: my name is spelled asdehfejnbfj NOT asdehfeitnkjf WTF GUIZ!!! seriously if you name yourself some random letters, no one is going to spell your name right. so tired of people complaining about this. it is your own fault! It's the main antagonist in Earthbound. He even has a wikipedia article. | ||
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From what I got, there's only really one thing against him. One was that he didn't understand how VE was "confirmed", and therefore had to be mafia somehow. While I don't actually agree with that accusation, his defense here: makes me a bit doubtful. He then ACTUALLY went in to the ridiculousness of the accusation by blazinghand 20 minutes later, which sort of clears that suspicion out for me. Basically, there's no reason for me to think he's scum. Gonna start working on Sharrant now. | ||
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Actually seems very pro-town to me. He's not afraid to give out his analysis and thoughts. He was one of the first to get the discussion productive again by dissuading it from BM, and he hasn't given me any reason to suspect him. | ||
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On April 22 2013 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. Next question: As this was your last post before that, the part where you mention Oats: What made you vote for Oats now but not before? What has changed between these posts of yours? Reading his filter again. | ||
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On April 22 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is me being 'wrong' make me scummy giygas. Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read? What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read. On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote: Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime. Thanks kush, haha. | ||
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On April 22 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: The bolded part. How did you miss that's exactly what Hopeless is doing? I actually don't know how the hell I missed that. (For those wondering, the part is in bold. Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo. | ||
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On April 22 2013 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: GiygaS, are you okay with lynching Hopeless today? Also i still don't understand what made you vote Oats when you did and not earlier. While he did do that, I feel the rest of his posts make me lean more town than oats'. I'd be down if my read on oats changes from his posting, or my read on hopeless changes due to his. | ||
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At the very least, I want to see oats post again before we lynch. After all, we have infinite time. | ||
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On April 23 2013 10:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Because fast lynching me, I flip town. So like Ego mafia where you dudes fast lynched Ace, no info no nothing bro. ##Unvote ##Vote: Yamato So stop trolling and start posting info other than screencaps of random.org | ||
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On April 23 2013 10:08 Oatsmaster wrote: You laughed. Admit it, you totally did. What do you want to know(AH ASKING FOR HELP/QUESTIONS SO SCUMMY. i really dont know what you guys want ) I did, haha . What we want is a list of your reads. That way, if you flip town, we get some more info. | ||
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- VE: is a complete null read for me except for kush's idea of a mafia not thinking to post what he did first. Leaning town for that reason. I'm not behind the current votes for VE. - ShiaoPi: This means nothing about his scumminess/innocence, but this may be why he's so inactive: On April 18 2013 15:15 ShiaoPi wrote: screw my schedule :S /unobs /in Anyway, he started off wonderfully by saying practically nothing about the 3 people he's asked about. On April 22 2013 11:54 ShiaoPi wrote: Raynepelikoneet: Nothing to see here. TheRavensName: Just some noobing around. Hopeless1nder: Also nothing of note here. Then accuses Sharrant, who seems to be target #1 for both main suspects at the moment (I'm not counting VE cause I think it's a stupid lynch). He proceeds to hammer Oats for "being silly", when it would have been sound to wait for the hammer, so we could at the very least get more info out of Oats before he got lynched. And now he's sort of gone. From what we've seen so far, I'm gonna say he's scum. - Clarity: I'd like to point out this: On April 23 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: And more.... Not even indicating any read, just asking for reads from another player. More of this: This was one of Clarity's point's on Sharrant. At the time, Yamato and Oats were the top two candidates for the lynch. This isn't just reaching so that the post looks larger, this is straight up wrong, and was something that Sharrant was actually doing properly. The other thing about him was that he supposedly lied about when he was catching up with the thread and was too quick reading. I don't think this really makes him particularly scummy, and a town or mafia could do the exact same thing. Leaning Scummy for others' reasons as well as that top post, but not for his "record-setting reading prowess". Scummy, but not as much as ShiaoPi. - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: On April 23 2013 06:03 Ace wrote: oh ok. Infinite days are possible. Ignore the part about wasting our time then, even though you still need a more convincing case than "he plays different from this one time I saw him". That's just utter bullshit and won't convince anyone. No effort at all. On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote: To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. | ||
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On April 25 2013 15:37 getmoript wrote: Giygas: NULLTown read x2, Prefers Oats but votes Yamato???, uses an odd heuristic, inactive I voted oats, this is just straight up incorrect. I never even switched my vote to Yamato for a second. Anyway: ##Vote ShiaoPi | ||
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On April 26 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 1) WaveofShadow 2) Grush57 3) Bill Murray 4) Stutters695 5) Kushm4sta 6) getmoript 7) ObviousOne 9) TheRavensName 11)GiygaS 12) raynpelikoneet 13) Ace 14) Tube 15) Artanis 16) Clarity_nl 18) Sharrant 19) Yamato77 20) ShiaoPi 21) Palmar 22) Hopeless1der 23) Sylencia 24) BloodyCobbler 25) VisceraEyes The list of lists. I agree with most of this, except Yamato and Stutter are null reads, and kush is town. | ||
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On April 26 2013 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Re: lynching into Ace/BC/Palmar Ehhhhhhhhhhh....I don't know if there's a case on BC somewhere that I'm missing, but is the fact that he's inactive right now a part of the case? And Ace is looking more town in this game than I've ever seen...but frankly that is a little disconcerting. :/ Ugh. I don't like the idea. I mean I'd lynch Palmar sure...but BC/Ace? Today? Seems silly. Scum will want them dead if they're town. In my opinion the fog should clear a little bit by tomorrow. I think tomorrow is a better time to make a lynch like that. Your point on Ace could be disturbingly true. Anti town play that caused suspicion may have made him play more pro town today, which explains his behavior. ##Vote Ace | ||
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On April 26 2013 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are voting for Ace because he looks town? And you just said at the last page BC is red and Ace is null. Can you explain the logic? Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic. | ||
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On April 26 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not let him be pro town and judge him if he gets scummy? Why not lynch someone who has been scummy the whole game in your eyes? The place and even more the way you dropped your vote is really fishy. Why don't you want to lynch one of your red reads? It's hard to explain from my phone. Day 1 Ace urged us to take our time, and then rushed the hammer and lynch on Oats. What I'm saying is that upon further reflection, Ace is a red read for me based on his day 1 play. | ||
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On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway) But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following? The bolded may have just become a whole lot more meaningful. | ||
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On April 26 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Did it or did it not? What's your take? This post says nothing about your opinion. It did. | ||
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On April 26 2013 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, meaningful in what way? Do you agree that Palmar looks scummy for it? Or did you mean that I look scummy for posting it? DETAILS GUY! I think Palmar looks scummy for it. Before I honestly just considered it reaching, but now that tube has come up as scum, it is something that is notable in whether Palmar is scum or not. I'll be reevaluating my opinion on him after reading his filter again. | ||
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I've already given my read on both, see my big post. I don't want to waste my time reiterating. Rayne as pointed out the problem with getmoript's case on me, I also liked how he took out all of my reasoning for lynching ShiaoPi from that quote. On to Palmar. | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:35 getmoript wrote: Ok, so replace shitting on VE with shitting on Palmar. Does it make a real difference? Still shitting on someone for Tube and not on his scum read. Because the ShiaoPi quote wants to lynch tube, and pointed out he was inactive. Palmar explicitly ignored tube while he was pointing out other inactives and modkills. After reading a bit more of the thread, I can defs see Ace being a third party as well as a mafia, that completely slipped my mind. | ||
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- Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter. - Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town: Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless list of maybe town: Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName list of who knows: WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi list of bloodycobblers: BloodyCobbler list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing): DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me ) - On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote: also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game. So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable. Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though. - Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read) On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering ##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer, and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation. - Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on. - And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive) | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain why you think Ace is scum or 3p? Sure I can. On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. I then changed my opinion on this, saying he might have changed his play due to suspicions being on him Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. | ||
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On April 26 2013 11:49 Ace wrote: I do not push for an Oats/yamato hammer there. That is blatant lying. On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote: To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated. On April 23 2013 10:01 Ace wrote: Ones in bold need to follow through and vote for Oats. Stop lying. | ||
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##Unvote Ace ##Vote Clarity_nl | ||
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Anyway, I don't understand how WoS presenting a soft breadcrumb about Miller earlier should really help him, isn't it generally accepted that role breadcrumbs are not trustworthy? My opinion on WoS changed as soon as he claimed Miller, as it's the only role he really could claim if he was scum. Come on vig, shoot this scum. | ||
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On April 29 2013 02:16 getmoript wrote: Who are your top 3 scum reads Giygas? Shiao and WoS, I don't really have another right now. | ||
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On April 29 2013 02:22 getmoript wrote: Why do you think those two are scum? Have you noticed anything anyone else hasn't? Shiao for what I mentionned in that big post a while back (he hasn't really done much since then), and the fact that he seemed to be avoiding lynching for Clarity with no explanation. WoS simply for that Miller claim when he came under pressure, I just see it as having few explanations: A) He's mafia, and claimed Miller to get out of it B) He's town, got Miller, and is now stupidly it. He wasn't in any real danger UNTIL he claimed, so if he's town claiming Miller was incredibly stupid. C) 3p, wouldn't mind getting rid of one of these for sure. | ||
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On April 29 2013 02:44 getmoript wrote: Why do you think it would've been sound to hold the hammer? What other information could we have gotten from Oats? Well we hammered right at the time that oats decided to get serious and answer questions. We should have waited for him to come back, ask some more questions, and then hammer him if we still thought he was scum. | ||
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On April 29 2013 02:53 getmoript wrote: So you still think ace is scum right? My current theory is 3p, as it explains his anti-town -> scumhunting behavior better. On April 29 2013 03:13 VisceraEyes wrote: BC WHY does everyone read Palmar as town? Srs I can't figure it out. No one seems to know why he's town, but no one wants to lynch him even though it's going on D3 and he's been completely useless. He even tried to derail the Clarity lynch ONTO ME early in D2, yet is trying to take credit for being "right"? WTF I have him as scum FTR, he's just not who I want to lynch or vig right now. | ||
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On April 29 2013 03:45 Palmar wrote: Please note how long it takes GiggleS to come up with an answer as to why he blindly parroted BC's claim. Sorry, I was scanning and e-mailing a transcript, which required a million driver downloads and computer restarts. Anyway, I said it because I thought BC knew better than I did. Now that I think about it, I was straight up wrong, and I apologize. Besides, it doesn't matter if he thinks your 3p, I think you're scum, and could be a vig target. This reasoning was brought up in one of my previous posts. | ||
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On April 29 2013 11:20 Ace wrote: This game shall forever be known as The Triple Cop Claim Caper. I proclaim it thus. I'm catching up on this shitstorm now and this had me in stitches. | ||
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- Makes a really awful joke post first.This could point either way, but the way he defends himself makes me want to lean scummy. I see no reason why a townie would make this post. It's just so goddamn awful. I know he then says the er was on purpose as a sort of joke, but even then ugh. This post is equally awful: On April 22 2013 09:34 Sylencia wrote: As per usual, at work at the moment, I only skim read but I hope I can properly catch up once I get home tonight. You think that if I was hiding something I would make it so blatantly obvious that I was nervous? This isn't a real time conversation where I have 10 seconds to come up with a response. Anyone can take time to craft a response that makes them seem like whatever they want to, so trying to read into someone's emotions based on their response (unless it's in the middle of some heated argument) isn't going to get you anywhere. So to answer your questions, no I'm not, and at the time there was less than 1 page of discussion, of course there wasn't any idea as to what was going on yet. Won't be diving into reading people deeply until I get home tonight. If you think that's scummy you can look at my past games and look at every other game I've played in recent times and compare posting times. (In any case I'm only on page 25 or so and I don't think I'll get much further while here) Excuses in to excuses in to saying he's not going to be around anymore for a while. Wow. His next post I'm not gonna quote, but it's summary, excuses and useless questions through and through, in to a practically unexplained rayn vote (all he did was say I don't like how you tried to policy lynch BM). - Seriously half his posts are jokes and excuses for why he'snot there. The rest is basically summary. - In my eyes, this guy has one saving grace: OO. The fact that OO "appeared" to be the same alignment as him is the principal reason that I think this guy may be town. For Shiao, you guys already know I think he's scum for previously stated reasons, thathaven't changed since he hasen't posted basically at all since then. He shifted more towards town for his comments on tube, but that's the only real shift. ##Vote Sylencia I think he's just that tiny bit more scummy than Shiao, and seemingly 90% of people think he's town, so I must not be seeing something. | ||
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On April 30 2013 00:14 ShiaoPi wrote: If anyone cares about my thoughts here comes: stutters -just kill him by now Giygas -totally non-comittal, not a single shred of thread presence, always tugging along with the flow of the thread -Entire filter is fluffy as shit. No hard-stances, also keeps fucking apologizing, as if he has the need to say sorry cause he should be active. I do encourage activity but this apologetic stance makes me think that he is sorry for not doing as much as he could, feels like excuses for active lurking. one out of the 3cops I am inclined to believe it to be CC, since he is fucking wrong about me. VE actually looks kind of best out of the 3 which is confusing to me. Palmar claimed for like no fucking reason in a stupid as shit move, CC is just flat out lying or just being misled by a frame, while VE actually claimed in order to get some kind of sense into his own checks. Not liking this mess but we have what we have, consider lynching into CC please. We prolly have a 3rd party somewhere here as well. I am thinking it might be the cobbler, but that is just gutsy guesswork Sorry, I'm Canadian. | ||
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On April 30 2013 00:39 Stutters695 wrote: I'm back from French so I'll be here until for the next 7 hours. I'm caught up but working on piecing together the shit that went down before the lynch. | ||
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On April 30 2013 03:11 Sharrant wrote: GiygaS, what's your current read on Ace? I'd like you to explain what you draw on as your evidence as explicitly as possible. VE, are you around? Do you want to like... talk about stuff or something. Let's talk about someone you think isn't getting as much attention as their play deserves. When I get home I will. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:07 Ace wrote: we already said shiao could still be scum. We covered this like 20 times - go back and read it. Shioa WAS on the Oats wagon. Thats how we brought him up in the first place. It came down to which of the 2 was more likely Scum - Clarity or Shiao? Clarity flipped Vigilante Scum. Shiao is still alive and was on the wagon. Multiple players on the wagon are also still alive. Hence, the analysis holds. read it carefully. But Shiao wasn't on the wagon, he voted VE, not clarity. | ||
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Acted disinterested on day 1, and I still think what he said was a contradiction. His day 1 was anti-town. Since then, he's been a pro-town force. For his day 1, I still think he's 3p (not scum) for his day 1, but he could easily be town as well. Definitely not worth a lynch or vig at this point when we have the whole triple cop claim caper going on. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Ace, you compared the D1 and D2 wagons though in the middle of Day 2. Was Shiao on the Clarity wagon at any point during the day? No he only voted for VE and then basically peace'd | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:27 Ace wrote: what did I do anti-town Day 1? can you point this stuff out? !wos: what slip? im not scum I cant slip I've said this before, you only seemed to be interested in town discussion to post memes, and there was that contradiction I brought up a while ago that everyone seems to disagree with me on (the one where you told everyone to take their time and then 30 minutes later got everyone to get their votes on oats to hammer him, right after he actually started cooperating). | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:42 Ace wrote: In trouble for what? lynching 1 scum and not the other? are you seriously this slow? quickly: How did clarity and ShiaoPi get brought up? Clarity got brought up by Vivax (sure of this one), I think Shiao was sort of everyone having similar suspicions at around the same time. I don't think there was one singular person that sort of spearheaded Shiao, but Clarity originated from Vivax for sure. | ||
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On April 30 2013 23:43 ShiaoPi wrote: yo guys, kill gigyas, stutters and VE thats the scum team and kush or the cobbler are 3rd party.... ...wtf? No im not. | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles Ok, so if I'm giggles, who's shits? In all seriousness, I'm gonna start re-reading the thread with who has been lynched in mind and try and come up with something. | ||
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I'm on page 26 atm, we'll be going all night if it takes me that long to reread this thread. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:20 Ace wrote: I dont know why people keep saying that. I've got more than 30 games on this forum behaving all kinds of ways. My activity depends on how I feel, what I see, and how active other players are. Can someone who plays with Ace more tell me if this is true or not? | ||
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On May 01 2013 10:59 yamato77 wrote: Fine. Why don't people want to lynch Hopeless? Let's talk about him, since he's one person who is not Ace/BC/Palmar/VE who I feel could be mafia. Wanna give some reasoning for that before getting the rest of the town to do it for you? | ||
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On May 01 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: This fucking guy. HEY. Wtf is this?? You're calling him out for essentially EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL GAME? I never went :"GUYS WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS GUY?" Just because I've posted cases mostly on people already under suspicion does not mean that I haven't put work in to them. Now that I've read Yamato's post on Hopeless, I see that he's doing that either now as well. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:38 getmoript wrote: I think there's a reasonable value oddly enought to the Vivax conjecture. Anyone who posted early is more likely, as a general rule, to be town as scum are more likely consult a QT for direction and coordinate first. The problem with the heuristic is quite simply that it doesn't work for everyone equally; as a general rule, I think it's likely to be true, but without applying it to the specific people that posted early makes it more of a generally worthless statement. Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then yamato--I am unaware of his scum tendencies, but don't think that posting early is indicative either way oats--AFAIK he's a vet, in the least he's towards the spammy aggressive side which makes posting early non-alignment indicative WoS--he always rolls scum so there's that I guess geript--Clearly an egotistical maniac and posted in The Game early as scum, so again non-alignment indicative Shaio--No clue as to experience, wanting to kill BM is more likely town Vivax--I'm not familiar enough with his meta, but the odd statement alone makes me think he's more likely town as I don't think he's crazy enough to spout that as scum So far, the list of people that I'm not interested in lynching today: Sylencia Vivax Shaio Palmar On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote: @Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. Here Ace defends TRN, if either come up mafia, lynch the other. Can one of the vets answer my question about Ace's activity btw? | ||
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On May 01 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Show me, GoogleS. Show me your cases. I want to see them. And I already know about the Sylencia case. Show me. I'm working on things, I'm re-reading the entire thread, and writing notes as I go | ||
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On April 22 2013 21:30 Hopeless1der wrote: What the fuck is this suspicion on me based on? My determination to "Shut down townreads"? Yes, when you're handing them out like hotcakes and trying to hold hands singing kumbya. This is Mafia, not summer camp singalong. I'm not discouraging reasonable townreads, I'm trying to keep things objective and informed. The two points against me are my comments on VE's entrance and Vivax/Palmar's entrance posts. For VE, watch carefully: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 01:50 Hopeless1der wrote: On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Sample PMs: How the fuck is this so difficult to understand? Am I trying to prevent townreads? You could say that. However, the reasoning used to attain a townread on VE was true of literally every player in the game. It's the equivalent of calling anyone who doesn't post for more than an hour scum. Man's gotta sleep right? Same way he has to READ THE OP TO LEARN WHAT HIS ROLE IS??? Vivax/Palmar's openings: Palmar, based on the plethora of information from Vivax's two posts, the first ones in the game, declares Vivax to be unlynchable. Just like that. And that was alright because I felt similar about it. I mean I'd still have an open mind, but Vivax's post did put me onto a townier side of Vivax. My problem with Palmar's post was that he called something really fucking stupid a valuable towntell heuristic. Let me break this shit down: DAY 1 POST timestamp On April 21 2013 16:55 Blazinghand wrote: Vivax's first posts, the ones Palmar was referring to So roughly an hour and a half. In addition there were 15ish posts between 6 players, obs notwithstanding. Also, the game started in the dead of night where I am. Hydra Mini scum in ~30 minutes, 33 posts into the game. Ego Mini: scum posted within an hour of game start. 34 posts in. Noir Mini: scum four minutes and 6 posts into the game British Empire II second post of the game 3 minutes in. Red team's prize Scum in under an hour, 25 posts in. The Game scum 5 minutes in, second post All of these games violate Vivax's heuristic, but fuck me for pointing it out (without proof i guess) and questioning Palmar as to why he felt it was valuable, eh guys? . These are literally games just going down the list of the TL Mafia forum. I'm obviouscum trying to derail town from giving out Completely valid and well thought out town reads based on sound reasoning. Nah, you can all go die in a fire if you want to lynch me for this. As of right now, I'm on Sharrant's side and would lynch rayn. I disllike his backpedal about "policy" miller lynching. I dislike his case overall as it is largely OMGUS, but still asks questions of the person he is accusing. However, his preface to his case was here: These two quotes don't accomplish anything to me. He's just throwing the question back at sharrant like a stall tactic of feigning disbelief. For having come up with a scumread on Sharrant it seems grounded in the fact that Sharrant is wrong, not necessarily scum. "If I WERE mafia, blah blah blah" No. I say you ARE mafia. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet My read that I had on Hopeless changed when I reread this post, that was a ton of work to prove that heuristic wrong (I doubt a mafia would do that much), and despite being wrong about rayn, he posts some good stuff on him. | ||
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On May 01 2013 11:35 TheRavensName wrote: Gly, I dislike that your trying to bring up such old old shit when so much stuff has happened sense then. Well when I'm re-reading the thread, I'm gonna bring up old shit. Maybe this old shit may help us figure out who the fuck is scum, especially with things we know now. | ||
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On May 01 2013 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Good case. I'm done guys, I'm just done. These aren't cases, these are thoughts I'm posting as I'm reading. I'll go back to note-taking and posting only if I see something, only reason I started posting as I saw stuff is someone (WONDER WHO THAT WAS) was complaining I wasn't posting my thoughts enough. | ||
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On May 01 2013 11:39 TheRavensName wrote: Yes, and its also a convient excuse to not do SHIT because yhour reading almost 200 pages worth of shit. I think we can find relevant things that were forgotten about after we have had 9 flips. Again, I'm going to be staying up all night if it takes me that long to read this, this is not an excuse to not do shit. | ||
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On May 01 2013 11:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Show me where I said that. Well thought-out cases that may take a while to post because critical thought is being undertaken =/= posting your thoughts every 5 seconds. You saying I don't have any cases on people currently under suspicion could be interpreted that way. Again, I'll shut up and just note take now if you're so offended by my current posts. Expect thoughts after I finish the thread, and as the night goes on I'll stay active. | ||
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On May 01 2013 12:44 ObviousOne wrote: I feel like I asked this before, was Rayn considered possibly the 3P kill? I think grush was the sort of "accepted" 3p kill because he wasn't really appearing to be a huge threat to the mafia, while rayn was making really solid cases and analysis at the time. People thought that grush seemed like a safe 3p kill because he was unlikely to be protected or killed by mafia, so that it would be guaranteed to lower town numbers. | ||
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On May 01 2013 15:55 ObviousOne wrote: You could say that based on that, him living another day seems pretty Hopeless I award you THREE OO-points and may God have mercy on his soul. I wonder how many times Hopeless has seen that joke. That is a pretty damn good case on the dude though. Page 80: MUST KEEP GOING. | ||
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On May 02 2013 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Devil's advocate time, as I mostly agree that Palmar shouldn't be lynched today. Did you read my case on Palmar Guygas? Notice how I am able to use this same evidence as a scumtell due to him pointing out Clarity as a possible early bus since Clarity was already gone for a while by that point? My counter point being that this was day 1 (page 54) that Palmar initially called Clarity scum (a simple "sup scum"). This was only 3 pages after Clarity posted his case on Sharrant. Clarity was not already gone for a while by that point, so this is straight up false. | ||
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On May 02 2013 08:59 TheRavensName wrote: "oh oats was always gonna flip town. I didn't really care much for reasons best left unexplained." Scumslip mixed with the whole stupid reason he basically voted for oats. This is something I would like to see someone argue against please. Sorry for being lazy, but could you provide the actual quote, I have a lot of reading and an essay to do tonight in addition to my rereading the thread. | ||
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On May 02 2013 13:22 getmoript wrote: Honestly, my interest in voting for hopeless has greatly reduced because Yamato is pushing him. He's been the main hopeless pusher the entire game. | ||
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On May 03 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote: Do you sincerely think this information is not useful? I think he meant what he said. At least I think it's useful, and it matches up with my read on him. It'd be good if he joined us again though. | ||
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On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Death Eaters Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks. | ||
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On May 04 2013 08:43 ObviousOne wrote: Inb4 anyone else says it! last ditch effort scum Yamato bussing scum Hopeless! The problem was his case on Hopeless started way before the mafia got in this horrible situation. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK It sort of does, BC and Palmar are getting in to the game and are starting to analyse. That must be scary for the mafia. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: i am currently typing with two fingers cut so badly i cant use them. if i can keep playing so can you Mmk, it may take a while though as I am out on my phone right now too. I'll make it when I get home. | ||
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This is the post that really got me (kush pointed this out before me): On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote: The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized. Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally. Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time. At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly. Soft defense on the two scum that were up for lynching makes yamato look really bad. This case was rejected by Ace (who was probably pushing mafia agenda at this point to avoid being the last non-town left), but advocated by BC and praised by VE. This post is then ignored for the rest of the game. I sort of want to go through Yamato's filter now and see what's up, but at the very least I'm unvoting from Hopeless until I figure this out. | ||
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Kush is acting really strange about this read too, as he was obviously initially convinced it was mildly scummy (he was the one that initially pointed it out). Like here: On May 01 2013 10:56 kushm4sta wrote: yamato your one claim to towniness is pushing shiaopi d2. But the other wagon was clarity. So in reality you were just picking between 2 scum. scum literally had to bus. Also that quote from earlier in which you explicitly soft defend 2 known scum. here it is again: that's why i want to lynch you now On May 02 2013 05:42 kushm4sta wrote: I want to lynch yamato because he soft defended shiaopi and clarity. too much of a coincidence imo. i already posted the quote 2 times. plus there are a ton of other reasons other people have posted. yamato...lurker doesn't make you scum. Town easily can lurk for a million different reasons and I was doing it myself for the middle part of this game. Your case against hopeless..i do not find it convincing in the least. Why has he suddenly pulled a 180 saying the quote is too scummy to be actual scum? It doesn't add up. | ||
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On May 07 2013 09:07 kushm4sta wrote: dudes can we just lynch hopeless? that is the lynch im most comfortable with I think THIS. Palmar's entire case on Yamato seems to be that he made some reaching town reads on that list, and that he's flippy floppy on kush. Meanwhile, Yamato is completely set on the fact that one of BC and Palmar just HAS TO BE SCUM, IT JUST HAS TO. I'm going with Hopeless, and I'm not going to switch my vote to either Yamato or Palmar until there is an actually convincing case against them, or if one (or both) make a scumslip. ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On May 08 2013 07:08 kushm4sta wrote: it was lolz to kill him though because yamato was the towniest person in this game. Please explain why you put him in L-1 then, knowing full well that he said he wanted to hammer himself. | ||
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I just don't understand why or how you kept changing your opinion on Yamato. Does anyone else find this extremely weird? | ||
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And again, remember to include WoS, Getmoript and Hopeless on your next process of elimination. | ||
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WoS On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote: lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript This was after getmoript was "mod-confirmed" town. No mafia in their right minds would do this. - If he's mafia, I believe this would be his first time, and his quick give-my-opinion quick style doesn't lend to first-time scum well at all. - Only one on ShiaoPi during the Sylencia Lynch Hopeless1der - Worked at the beginning to shut down town reads (and worked very hard to do this, see that gigantic post) - Speaking of that gigantic post, he also posted a really terrible case on rayn at the same time - Puts oats in to "L-1" (he thought it was L-1 but it was L-2) with little reasoning (Led to ShiaoPi putting the hammer down) On April 27 2013 03:51 Hopeless1der wrote: tbh Sharrant until someone can explain how he gets away from his scumread on you, as evidenced from + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 13:26 Sharrant wrote: --SNIP-- At this point I am less sure about Rayn being scum than I was then, because his conversations with other players has generally been good since that time, but he's still in my top 3 to lynch. I just haven't decided if there's someone I'd rather lynch more, like say Hopeless. Any more questions? On April 23 2013 00:02 Sharrant wrote: It's a good try, Rayne, but no. Let's get this out of the way quickly because I have to leave, and there's more important things to do when I'm back. The reason I looked into you is because of your chainsaw defense of TRN. That fit exactly what I was looking for, so I went through your filter. I am not trying to lynch you on the merit of you defending TRN, get that through your head. I am going to get you lynched because you are scum. You claim that after posting several times about how miller claims should be a policy lynch, you say that it's not a policy lynch you're pushing on BM. The closest you come to make to a case is "This isn't a miller lynch policy, I'm lynching him because he claimed miller which is scummy" which is exactly the same as saying "No, this isn't a lurker lynch, I'm just lynching because his low activity is scummy". It's just attempting to disguise that you were trying to policy lynch him. The post I voted for you details exactly why I have you as a scum read. The possibility that you were a townie who made some crazy defense on TRN went out the window when I read through your filter. If you can't understand that, I can't help you. Those important things, like not lynching your primary scumread? He doesnt return to 'get things done" until Oats is lynched. Clarity's spiel about 'easy outs' doesnt look that stupid to me considering how Sharrant's read on rayn went into the abyss with no comment at all. He just dropped his read with no explanation that I can find. What gives? There's also what I view as feigned contribution. I realize he's posted way more than I have, but when you post On April 25 2013 01:29 Sharrant wrote: Is there anyone around who feels like chatting? I don't want to put up any large posts until it's just about daybreak (which I think is in about 2 and a half hours if someone could confirm). and then don't drop a wall of text in some regard, it looks like faked activity to me. This is also his first post after insisting he has shit to do upon his return, but I cant find these amazing things he's done. He's focused his attention towards clarity, but clarity barely existed at this point. Where are these "better things" sharrant promised? ##Vote: Sharrant Is there terminology for simultaneous chainsaw/soft defense? Because if there is, this is it. - More defense of scum: On April 28 2013 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah no one has ever exaggerated in their life, right Ryan? ...any who I need to eat my words on sharrant. My main reason in voting shiao was that I didn't trust sharrant. There is no good reason for him to be scum at this point. You don't suicide your vig into a teammate who proceeds to tear you a new one. I agree with most of the proposed big shots. Ie. Sketch bags on shiao's wagon. Unless shiao is ALSO a vig, he really should be considered town. Depending on flips and such, I'd consider him semi confirmed. My personal choices for shots is sylencia and stutters. Obviously don't shoot me (herpderp), and I marginally believe wos. He calls for shots on 2 towns, and also uses a ton of wishy-washy qualifiers to pretty much everything here. - I found this post interesting: On April 28 2013 12:25 Hopeless1der wrote: K I'll be back tomorrow but if nothing pressing arises I'll wait until flips before I get into the thick of things. One thing I'll note is that I seem to be a back pocket option for a couple players and its a little disconcerting. However those players include town reads so that's probably null in the grande scheme of things. @WoS fuck Rayn's accusations and give town what you've got. If you still get shot you did what you could, right? Why does he need to mention it's concerning that people think he's scum? To quote himself, he thought he himself looked sort of scummy too: - He then said Palmar was the worse one of the two vets, proceeded to shortly after vote BC, then back to Palmar, then back to BC, then to Yamato. He was basically switching his vote based on which vet was closer to getting lynched, and not who was actually scummy in his eyes. For these reasons, I am voting Hopeless today, and I hope the town does the same. ##Vote Hopeless1der P.S. Due to my read on Hopeless, by extension I feel Palmar and BC are both town/survivor (I think I heard that theory from someone on BC). There's no way a scum would switch back and forth between a mafia and town, he would just pick the town and stay with it. | ||
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- The fact that I changed my mind on day 2 for Ace - That I made a mistake on who hammered (I don;t even know how I made that mistake, I think it was because he was screaming DO IT, not sure though since it's been so long :/) - You say that the part I bolded was irrelevant but it still was. Even if he gave reasons for Oats, he still didn't give reasons for a ton of other people in that list. He still should've shared why he had those reads. - That I said Palmar was not quite as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi (AKA I was saying I'd rather lynch one of them first) - That I changed my mind on Palmar after re-reading the first 140 or so pages of this game (so scummy!) Also on this: On May 10 2013 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll say this in defense of TRN: ctrl+f: cedric Read just those 3 posts that turn up and see how you feel, barring the rest of his filter. I got town from that exercise when I did it a couple days ago. Mafia mason is a very real possibility at this moment, and if someone could be cleared with 3 posts we'd never lynch anyone. | ||
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Yeah, TRN's case seems extremely weak. He seems town other than his weird sudden lynch on BM, and that he defended Clarity for a while earlier on. The fact that he just cleared the biggest point against him, the vote analysis is pretty clear too. SWITCH BACK TO HOPELESS PEOPLE See you all tomorrow | ||
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On May 11 2013 19:44 Palmar wrote: I actually didn't bus you hard, remember. I tried to deflect the lynch off of you on day 1 to a lurker. It almost got me killed too, but thankfully no one listened to VE and I argued with him for 4 days. It was Hiro Protagonist's bus that I took the credit for to endgame it. Good game that one! First game for me, you, VE, prplhz, mataza, hiro protagonist and a few others. I think stefftastiq maybe? + Show Spoiler + Just shows how much I forget Yeah a lot of people started off that game, how many of those guys other than you and VE are still around now? Gonna spoil this because it's not really related to the game. | ||
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On May 12 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Voting analysis is very interesting. I think tonight's NK is going to allow us a red lynch tomorrow. Please post your thoughts just before the end of the night. That way we still have the info if you die. | ||
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On May 12 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah no, don't think I'll be doing that. Scum can figure out for themselves what they'd like to do. I mean like a minute before, so scum can't change their decision. Is there a problem to this I'm not seeing? | ||
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After looking at BM's filter, he's so townie the first few days it's disgusting, and some weird actions aren't really enough to change that. I'm against nolynch because at any time someone could get modkilled from inactivity (it's sadly a very real possibility at this point), and I'd rather keep a bit of a safety net up in case that happens. ##Vote kushm4sta | ||
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@kush: Seriously dude, you say town shit incoming, get us a bit hyped, then 5 hours later post 2 feel based town reads. | ||
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Palmar (Getmoript) - 1 GiygaS (BC) - 1 Instead of using the voting thread, let's vote inside the actual thread until we reach a decision. Analysis will come tomorrow around 11pm EST. | ||
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On the whole modkill thing, I support Marv getting that 2 game ban for his post ban post. | ||
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On May 21 2013 01:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Even Vivax calls him giggles now. Beautiful. It appears that it will be my name for every game from now on | ||
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