I found scum.
##Vote: Marvellosity
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 24 2013 19:13 GMT
#1424
I found scum. ##Vote: Marvellosity | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 24 2013 19:31 GMT
#1432
On April 25 2013 04:26 ObviousOne wrote: Time to look at Vivax again and see where he was sniffing that he got dead. Artanis, you should take the first crack at it! I present to you the Cloak of Invisibility, use it to snoop around the grounds and let us know when the mischief had been managed. Don't be a muggle. My first thought after reading which role Vivax has was if he breadcrumbed that he was a mason, or with whom he was masoned. Scum killing Vivax is a concept I cannot grasp with this player field, so it had to be a blue snipe.. right? Other thought that occurs is that the scum team probably has a few vets and doesn't want to thin out the vet field as it could expose them. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 24 2013 19:37 GMT
#1435
On April 25 2013 04:34 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 04:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 25 2013 04:26 ObviousOne wrote: Time to look at Vivax again and see where he was sniffing that he got dead. Artanis, you should take the first crack at it! I present to you the Cloak of Invisibility, use it to snoop around the grounds and let us know when the mischief had been managed. Don't be a muggle. My first thought after reading which role Vivax has was if he breadcrumbed that he was a mason, or with whom he was masoned. Scum killing Vivax is a concept I cannot grasp with this player field, so it had to be a blue snipe.. right? Other thought that occurs is that the scum team probably has a few vets and doesn't want to thin out the vet field as it could expose them. Welcome, Artanis. Had you read the thread at all before now? I've followed it a little bit but I haven't read every post. The mafiascum games were more amusing to follow. First impression was that both Yamato and Oats looked town during their argument to me. Clarity's case was strange and it reminds me a bit of my own case on Geript last time I rolled scum. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 24 2013 19:57 GMT
#1441
On April 25 2013 04:48 ObviousOne wrote: So let's kill VE or ShiaoPi today. If you think one or both are town, tell us why. ##Vote VisceraEyes Accio votes! Can you tell me why they're scum first? On April 25 2013 04:49 TheRavensName wrote: The Vivax shot I don't think was a blue snipe. I found his flip to be a surprise, and from what I can see in his filter (read me trying to search for a bunch of code words that pop in my head, and taking a look through his first dozen posts for any of the usual hidden code tricks.) he doesn't seem to breadcrumb (Or at least none that I can see but then they are probably pretty good breadcrumbs .) That is not to say shooting him doesn't make sense. He seems to be on everyones super confirmed town lists, its a pretty good idea as town to get those out of the way. Finding out he was a blue is just a bonus. Clarity is of course the victim of the Wine of today. There is also the possibility like I said that Vivax' mason partner was scum. That way, scum would know that he's blue. I just can't wrap my head around a N1 Vivax kill. No offense to him, but there's plenty of scarier players in the game that can scumhunt better than him. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 24 2013 20:07 GMT
#1451
On April 25 2013 05:02 Ace wrote: Vivax didn't have a Mason partner. There was nothing to crumb as the rules didnt allow him to Mason up until Night 1. He was killed because he was on the right track. Oh, fair enough. Reading the thread is probably a good idea. Let me get on that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 13:19 GMT
#1640
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 13:20 GMT
#1641
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 14:14 GMT
#1643
@Rayn with Sylencia's history of getting mislynched I'm gonna need more than that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 15:42 GMT
#1668
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 15:46 GMT
#1673
Almost certain one of those three is scum since if none of them were scum would just shoot at two of them, worst case scenario only one dies. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 23:32 GMT
#1851
VE Town, BC case bad. Any question? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 23:42 GMT
#1864
On April 26 2013 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah. You're basing the whole of your play on host-WIFOM so far - all you've contributed meaningfully was the idea that we should lynch into vets in spite of the fact that you think "even if they don't look town they can solve the game". Finding that to be cognitive dissonance and would like you to comment on who you think is scum rather than give wishy-washy statements about limiting the lynch today. Thanks, and good day. The only host-WIFOM I've used was regarding getmo being town. I haven't contributed much because I got replaced into a game and I've been too lazy to read up. As for the plan thing, all three previously named vets being town together AND keeping them alive triples the risk, therefore I found it unlikely that none of them are scum, thus it reduces the playerpool to look at significantly. You may be aware of the fact that I hate big games. This would be an easy way to reduce the amount of people to look at for the day. Also, I'd rather not have scumvets solve the game for me. They would solve it in a very unpleasant way. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 25 2013 23:49 GMT
#1868
On April 26 2013 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 26 2013 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi. VE Town, BC case bad. Any question? Yeah. You're basing the whole of your play on host-WIFOM so far - all you've contributed meaningfully was the idea that we should lynch into vets in spite of the fact that you think "even if they don't look town they can solve the game". Finding that to be cognitive dissonance and would like you to comment on who you think is scum rather than give wishy-washy statements about limiting the lynch today. Thanks, and good day. The only host-WIFOM I've used was regarding getmo being town. I haven't contributed much because I got replaced into a game and I've been too lazy to read up. As for the plan thing, all three previously named vets being town together AND keeping them alive triples the risk, therefore I found it unlikely that none of them are scum, thus it reduces the playerpool to look at significantly. You may be aware of the fact that I hate big games. This would be an easy way to reduce the amount of people to look at for the day. Also, I'd rather not have scumvets solve the game for me. They would solve it in a very unpleasant way. This explanation....buys you time. But I'd still like some conclusions. You said BC case was bad - does that make him scum? You said you want to lynch into vets, but give no indication which you want to lynch. You said "I've been too lazy to read up" but you're not too lazy to come in and limit the lynch without reading. I'm inclined to think BC is scum, but hold reservations as I haven't fully read the game. From my current position, I'd be happy to lynch him. I'm also not limiting the lynch, I'm proposing the idea. You're not bound by law to adhere to it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 26 2013 11:08 GMT
#2021
On April 26 2013 14:51 ObviousOne wrote: Dear Artanis, I hope this letter finds you in good health. It has been a semi-troubling evening as there are very few players around to continue discussion as sleep takes us to dream world. This thread grows ever-larger, and I wish to inquire on your progress in reading the game. It has been some time since you joined and, while I'm sure you don't want to comment very much on things from many many pages ago, it would be fantastic to know if you will be caught up before the game day ends so we can get some informed reads from you regarding today's lynch. Please return this note with your response at your earliest. Warm and fuzzies, ObviousOne Woke up an hour ago and read up the latest posts but once again haven't gone back into the first day and such yet, will do so today. I just realized I had a derp yesterday as I said that I couldn't believe none of BC/Palmar/VE/Ace got hit last night, but both BC and Palmar claimed RB so there's a good chance one of them got jailed, in which case they probably got hit as I just can't wrap my head around Vivax getting doublestacked, so one of BC/Palmar very likely got hit by scum. I'm therefore not interested in specifically lynching a vet at the moment. On April 26 2013 13:52 Sharrant wrote: Stutters695 If you believe at all in hosts balancing the game, then you should want Stutters dead. I have all 3 real "veteran" players that are in the game marked as slightly townie or higher for each of them. However, people seem to forget we have 4 veterans. DrHelvetica started off in this game before being replaced by Stutters. When we hit night phase he needs to be shot ASAP. I've talked with I think it was Marv before, and he told me BH always RNGs his setups. I wouldn't use setup balance as an argument for killing anyone here. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 26 2013 21:40 GMT
#2137
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 26 2013 21:54 GMT
#2142
On April 27 2013 06:50 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VE isn't scum Yamato. He's giving too much of a shit this game and has actually been beneficial to town atmosphere. How about his inconsistent bullshit read of me? Yes, he's mafia. Except he never said he wanted you dead, he said he wanted you to reply. This makes him scum how? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 26 2013 23:05 GMT
#2205
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 27 2013 20:44 GMT
#2298
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
April 27 2013 20:59 GMT
#2309
On April 25 2013 00:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 23:11 Sharrant wrote: Okay, let's get this started with the most important part: Clarity should be lynched tomorrow, a few people have made cases on why, and they're quite right. He apparently spent 4 hours reading the thread and came up with not even half a case on me, and refused to comment on the lynch that was happening right in front of his eyes all the while flip flopping on the amount of time and effort he supposedly put in. He's obvious enough at this point that everyone should be on board with his lynch, I don't think there's more that needs to be said about him. Responses to cases and stuff: @Clarity There's nothing in your case to respond to. You obviously just skimmed my filter and tried to pick out what you could skew to look mafia oriented, and you failed miserably at that. @Rayne + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: About Sharrant: First he makes a case on TRN. The case in itself is not bad if you have never seen how TRN plays. But there is this question: I call him out for this question which i find to be scummy. Sharrant's answer is: Show nested quote + The last part of your case is even weaker, I don't think it even needs to be touched upon. Sharrant later on calls me out for saying; "So you say TRN is actually not attempting to discern who in the thread are the mafia, but you still have a town read on him. Townies should scum hunt, yes?". This is correct, mainly because Sharrant and Vivax both attacked TRN early on in the game, after that TRN went defensive and answered their questions. Sharrant is even adding more fuel into the fire by asking TRN to point him to his games on TL. Why do you think it is TRN's (or anyone other than yours) job to guide you into his past games? And why do you call me out for poining out the fact (as i have witnessed it myself) that TRN is easy to sidetrack from what he is supposed to do -> find mafia? Next thing. Sharrant's case on me. His points against me are; BM-policy lynch discussion (understandable as i failed to explain myself clearly enough) and that i called him scummy for asking TRN to point him to his last games. Which i still think is scummy. Next i explain him my BM vote, he is pleased with my answer, at least that reads so to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 08:40 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant: What is your exact reasoning for voting for BM. Give me one paragraph, with your thought process. If it's policy, tell me it's policy and the exact policy. If you have other reasoning for it, please detail that reasoning to the best of your ability. I think there is no reason for a townie to claim miller for the reasons i explained before. If BM was not in fact claiming miller, he should have a damn good reason why he decided to post what he did, because posting (joking?) that as town does not make any sense. I see. I'll wait until Bill Murray is back in the thread before I say anything more about this then, if I feel the need to say anything more. Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion. In the same quote he asks me to pick a player to discuss. Why do you want me, your scumread to pick a player to discuss? If i thought you were scum i would be damn sure i wanted to pick the people we discuss (other scummy people). After that we discuss WoS and GiygaS. I also ask him about geript. I am the one asking all the questions. Note that Sharrant would have liked to discuss Mr.Cheesecake. If i am your scumread, why do you allow me to drive the discussion between us? Why do you not want to find out my scumbuddies when talking with me? Then Sharrant suddenly changes his scumread on TRN into null/leaning town. The reason is TRN saying i have told him i would use weak townies as town-credit-collectors by defending them. Sharrant takes this at face value. TRN was your scumread at that time, why didn't you take any action to figure out if he was telling the truth or not, as he wasn't? Then comes in his theory (based on what TRN said) about me trying to gain town-credit for TRN's lynch. The theory is ridiculous in the first place, if people can't see why idk what to say. He also makes a big post about it: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 13:26 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what Sharrant.. Are you seriously saying that i'm trying to gain credit from town!TRN lynch on D1 as mafia? That's your conclusion? It was part of the thought process that got me to look at you in the first place. Obviously TRN is not getting lynched so there is no credit for you to gain from it anymore. It is even, apparently, something you told TRN that you would do as mafia (though you did not state you would do it specifically to him). Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 12:32 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 22 2013 12:24 Sharrant wrote: On April 22 2013 12:07 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 22 2013 12:05 Sharrant wrote: On April 22 2013 11:59 ShiaoPi wrote: Oh if you have paid close attention to TRN then what is your stance on him now? I am calling you scummy That he's fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and most likely town. What made you change your mind? This response is terribly lacking.... He realized that Rayn could be setting him up to give him town cred when he flipped. When Rayn stepped in to defend him I was sure TRN was either lynchbait, or one of Rayn's teammates. It seems more likely at this point he is lynchbait. TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, but a very good chance of attracting mafia attention either by virtue of A) being a weak player which they can use as town credit or to manipulate or B) was a weak mafia player who they could protect while looking like they're just trying to help out the new player. Rayn came in with a town read on him whose strength did not match what I had read in TRN's filter, so he was the person I was looking for. I find it interesting you see nothing at all to discuss between Rayn and Hopeless. At least more content than your last answer. If TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, why did you vote him? Isn't that fulfilling your own conclusion that you are mafia, by virtue of going after the lynchbait? What the fuck dude? Now what do you make of all the others who also defended TRN? All team mafia?? What do you say about Ace and others who also had a townread (or at least null) on TRN? You seem to be misinterpreting my definition of small chance. Small chance of being mafia still meant a greater chance than anyone elses actions in the thread. At that point I figured he probably had about a 40 percent chance of being mafia, if I were to assign a value to it. A small chance, but still greater than I felt anyone else had. So I went after him because he was the strongest scum read I had. When Rayn made these two posts: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 22 2013 05:48 ObviousOne wrote: One more filter then I'm going to go level my Priest some more. Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.) Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch? I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 22 2013 06:43 Vivax wrote: On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 22 2013 05:48 ObviousOne wrote: One more filter then I'm going to go level my Priest some more. Oh. My. God. Tube is in this game. LOL. HI TUBE! (we played in a newbie together, my first game! He hasn't posted anything so skipping for now.) Raynpelikoneet, sorry to pick on you again for like the third straight game in a row together. You want to lynch the "claimed miller" Bill Murray, you have made your stance on lynching millers abundantly clear, but I don't see anything that looks like it's developing into an actual scum read. Why are you leaning so heavily on your policy lynch when there are mafia to be lynched? Also, assume BM isn't here for a moment, who do you lynch? I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Where does TRN try to figure out things? Tbh I kinda have you both as scummy along a few others, so your defense of TRN strikes me especially. I don't really see anything that could give me a reason to think he's town, but if you're so kind, could you point it out? Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2013 23:09 Vivax wrote: On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote: On April 21 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote: On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote: On April 21 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote: On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way? PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game? I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me. He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes? I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns..... And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something. I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day. P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation. The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts? /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? That was a lot more effort than anyone took to explain TRN. Everyone that commented on him, or I asked to comment on him, just stated they thought he was a noob town, but generally people had to be prodded into action. Rayn came in attacking me with a very weak case because of my case on TRN. At this point, I am very happy because I am sure I have at least one mafia in these 2 players. I am sure after that attack and defense that Rayn is mafia either defending a mafia to deflect a bandwagon before it can start, or defending someone he sees will be lynched later and thus he would be able to go "Hey look, I knew he was town allt he way back then and I defended him!" regardless of whether he was lynched today, or tomorrow, or a week from now. At this point I am 100% sure of Rayn, and 50/50 on TRN. When TRN came in and said that he had a town read on Rayn despite the inconsistincies myself and others had pointed out, I had TRN down as very likely to be scum. But when he later mentioned how Rayn had told him that he planned to do this exact same thing as scum before, and subsequently moved him to a null read, that was when I was pretty sure that TRN was town. At this point I am less sure about Rayn being scum than I was then, because his conversations with other players has generally been good since that time, but he's still in my top 3 to lynch. I just haven't decided if there's someone I'd rather lynch more, like say Hopeless. Any more questions? At the end of that post he also says his scumread on me has weakened. After that i vote for Sharrant. This is his answer to the case: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 00:02 Sharrant wrote: It's a good try, Rayne, but no. Let's get this out of the way quickly because I have to leave, and there's more important things to do when I'm back. The reason I looked into you is because of your chainsaw defense of TRN. That fit exactly what I was looking for, so I went through your filter. I am not trying to lynch you on the merit of you defending TRN, get that through your head. I am going to get you lynched because you are scum. You claim that after posting several times about how miller claims should be a policy lynch, you say that it's not a policy lynch you're pushing on BM. The closest you come to make to a case is "This isn't a miller lynch policy, I'm lynching him because he claimed miller which is scummy" which is exactly the same as saying "No, this isn't a lurker lynch, I'm just lynching because his low activity is scummy". It's just attempting to disguise that you were trying to policy lynch him. The post I voted for you details exactly why I have you as a scum read. The possibility that you were a townie who made some crazy defense on TRN went out the window when I read through your filter. If you can't understand that, I can't help you. Now, suddenly i am 100% scum again. But no more is my town-credit-gaining a reason why i am scum. It's all back to the point that i "disguised my policy lynch vote on BM into something else". But he was already okay with my answer. Hell, he does not even answer anything to my case. Why did you make a big post about the theory of me trying to gain credit from defending town!TRN, if it isn't even part of the case against me, what's the point? TLDR; 1) Why did you not answer me clearly when i asked you why should TRN point you to his past games? And he never did, why didn't you follow it up in any way, if you think that was scummy from him? 2) Why did you say you were pleased with my answer on the BM matter and later on said your whole case against me is based on that? 3) Why did you not want to find out who my "scumbuddies" are when we were discussing people, and why did you let me drive the discussion? 4) Why did you take TRN's words about my "scum strategy" at face value as at that time he was your scumread? 5) Why did you even discuss your theory about me trying to gain credit from TRN when it had apparently nothing to do with your scumread on me and was based on false premises in the first place which you were too lazy to check out and which came from you scumread? And for the record this is basically everything Sharrant has done this game besides one post where he answers Vivax about Hopeless and couple of posts questioning people with no follow ups at all. I don't see how this is anything near townie behaviour. 1. It's laughable that yous till think that asking for games is a scum tell, but run with it if it makes you happy. He did point me to his games, just not linked them. Not as helpful as I would have hoped he would have been, but he didn't mention any games off site which was the concern. 2. I never stated I was pleased with your answer. I asked you to restate so everyone would see that your answers still did not match up with what you had said earlier in the thread. Pushing that singular point any more would just make the thread more of a mess than it was starting to be, and the whole point would get lost and thus once I had you restate it again clearly there was no more value to be gained from going after you on that point at that time. So instead, I wanted to move you onto topics that would be helpful regardless of whether I was wrong or right about your alignment. 3. The choice of who to talk about is as telling as the choice of who not to talk about, I'll learn more about your alignment from you picking who you want to discuss then I will from giving you the topics I want you to discuss. It tells you too much about how I already lean on those topics, and having you drive the discussion lets me get a better feel for you. 4. I'm really surprised you don't get this part. Lots of newer scum buddy people, especially people that defend them. Here he shows that he's suspicious of the fact that you defended him, regardless of whether the fact he stated was misremembered (apparently someone else in that game had said it) he showed that his thought process went "Hey! This guy has taken up a shield for me" -> "Wait, why did he do that?" When as a new scum scared to be in his first big game would have been more hesitant to put any tarnish on his knight's armour. 5. You're mixing up your time periods so bad that this question is just a jumble of words. Your staunch defense of him got me to check out your filter. His subsequent "Hey, why are you defending me?" moment made him more than likely town. @WaveofShadows On April 24 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Sharrant, where you at bro? Any thoughts on yamato/Oats since you seem to have conveniently missed it entirely? Updated thoughts on Rayn/Shiao? I think Oats was a good lynch because of how useless he was being, it's a shame he turned out to be town, but at least he was a non-self aware miller. That said, I think there were better lynches for that day, Clarity and Rayne being two I think would have been better lynches. Yamato is almost definitely town, everything about his posts on the second half of day one scream town yamato in a way I don't think he knows how to replicate as scum. Last time I played with him when he was scum I caught him (but was not able to get him lynched before I was killed) because of how glaring the difference is between him being the townie, headstrong Yamato and him trying to emulate the townie headstrong Yamato. I hope that satisfies your curiousity. If there was one or two things in particular that lead you to have such a strong town read on me, what would they be? I'm going to be around for a while doing some filter diving in, so I'm available for questions. It is very likely that I will be unavailable for Thursday, and possibly some or all of Friday (excepting phone posting which I hate hate hate doing). There will be 0 posts from me between midnight tonight, and Thursday night. For starters just the fact that you cared enough to respond to my buried, 'inane' line of questioning that Rayn and TRN seem to hate so much further cements my townread on you. Also wtf I don't think I read the flip, just looked at the colour---he WAS a fucking miller. I agree with your thoughts on Oats and feel a little better about being wrong. Yes you've definitely satisfied my curiousity. Now you mention a Clarity lynch...I agree that his entry into the thread was very scummy-looking but he just doesn't feel like a good lynch to me for reasons that I can't remember right now. I have a bunch of re-reading to do and an eventual case to post...when is frigging Daypost? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 27 2013 21:05 GMT
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April 27 2013 21:06 GMT
#2317
On April 28 2013 06:05 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nice. Was expecting this to be honest due to host leniency on the inactivity and the fact that one scum already got modkilled. everyone gets one warning regardless of alignment Ah, I missed the warning for Tube in the daypost. I thought he didn't get a warning, nevermind then. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 27 2013 21:12 GMT
#2321
On April 28 2013 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2013 05:54 Palmar wrote: btw cheesecake and grush confirmed town because they were excited enough to break game rules because they wanted the flip so badly. not many scumspects left. This isnt a solid rule to follow. I yell for flips as scum too, see noir. confirmed town for refusing to take towncred | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 27 2013 21:19 GMT
#2329
On April 28 2013 06:14 grush57 wrote: i take free cred thankya kind sir. i still think giygas is scum. I don't know if it would be possible for both candidates to be scum. GiygaS has been on my radar too since trying to catch up with the game (got lazy and quit at pg 31). This post triggered my scumdar hard. Sounds so appeasing and manufactured. On April 22 2013 03:54 GiygaS wrote: Ok, just getting caught up and this is the third time writing this post as it always seems to go back a page right before I finish. #1: Please give us a way to see who out of the two of you is talking every post getmoript. I know it's mostly going to be geript, but it would just be nice for clarity's sake. A simple "-geript" at the end of a post would be nice. #2: I honestly don't know what to think of this strange heuristic thing, and I'm honestly more interested to see how oats responds to Palmar, and how Palmar responds to that. I'm overall getting a town-read on Vivax since as Cheesecake said, recklessness is usually a town trait.It's a pretty weak town read, but I just want to get out of this stupid argument that is really getting us nowhere now. #3: Are we even sure that BM was roleclaiming Snape(self-aware miller)? It's probable, but I want to hear his response before confirming that. On that subject, milllers should not roleclaim. It's been said already that we may want to policy lynch roleclaiming millers from this point on, and I'd agree with that, as we can't speculate on what kind of rolelist blazinghand gave us. We don't know how many there are, and as such can not use that info productively (who knows, maybe BH gave us 5 self-aware millers). Those are my thoughts so far, it's good to be back! :D | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 27 2013 21:27 GMT
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April 27 2013 22:28 GMT
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April 27 2013 23:13 GMT
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Artanis[Xp]
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April 27 2013 23:27 GMT
#2383
Looking at ShiaoPi in a vacuum, yes, I think he's scum. Started out active, then activity took a nosedive. He seemed to not care much about getting lynched either, which given that if he was scum, would be explained by having at least two inactive teammates. He said he'd post more after going to bed. He hasn't come back to the thread in more than 24 hours. Like I said, it could very well be that scum doesn't have any presence in town and therefore have no control of whom gets pushed. It happened to us in PYP. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 27 2013 23:41 GMT
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April 28 2013 11:52 GMT
#2587
On April 28 2013 16:30 ObviousOne wrote: Artanis only ever voted for Marv. Marv isn't in the game. Only scum read I can find in filter is from early Day 1 (GiygaS). Hasn't caught up with the game yet???? Yeah, there's still 40 pages I'd need to catch up on but from what I've skimmed most of that was Oats vs Yamato shitflinging and I believe Yamato to be town so I have no interest in reading through that mess. I haven't voted anyone because I still wanted to read the game more thoroughly before voting. In an instant majority game with no deadline I saw no reason to end the day before I had someone that I felt certain was scum. I filtered Hopeless and Clarity and at the time didn't find either convincing. I have spent most of my interactions trying to get my townreads not to yell at eachother. I have a few current scumreads but I haven't filtered them yet. Shortlist includes Kush, GiygaS, Shiao, Sylencia and BC. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 13:14 GMT
#2591
Kush: Bandwagoned on rayn, playing lazy, soft defends GiygaS GiygaS: Aforementioned quote triggered my scumdar. ShiaoPi: Active and happy during the early game, then activity took a nosedive for no apparent reason. Nothing of worth in filter. Sylencia: Lots of shitty posts, hard to tell if he's scum or bad town given history of mislynches. BC: Practically AFK during D1, comes back with a shitty case on Yamato filled with false accusations and confirmation bias. A tunnel that he's been on for some time now. BC should be better then that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 17:32 GMT
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Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 17:52 GMT
#2615
On April 29 2013 02:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 02:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC, do you think being lazy makes me scum? Yes. Not being caught up on the thread while actively stating reads (although with weak reasoning) is incredibly shady. That is time that could have been spent reading and forming more solid reads or taking more information into account for a read. Reading 40+ pages and analyzing them takes longer than reading along with current thread events. The latter is also more fun. I've always said that I hate big games, and this game was already underway for 60+ pages by the time I replaced in. This has nothing to do with alignment, just with my personality. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 18:05 GMT
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Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#2683
Rayn is an understandable choice. He was under minor suspicion but very unlikely to get lynched, as well as unlikely to be protected. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 21:47 GMT
#2687
On April 29 2013 06:46 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 06:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd say there's a good chance Grush got shot by a vig. He was pretty much unreadable. If he wasn't, I doubt we have one since there were plenty of targets to choose from. Rayn is an understandable choice. He was under minor suspicion but very unlikely to get lynched, as well as unlikely to be protected. Grush was obvtown and you're bad. VE was obvtown so you're bad too. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 21:50 GMT
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Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 23:04 GMT
#2710
On April 29 2013 08:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We should kill sylencia. More when I get home. Summary: he scum. 10/10 would read summary again | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#2711
On April 29 2013 07:49 Palmar wrote: I want to kill the cobbler. Will it be as convincing as your push on VE? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 23:14 GMT
#2714
On April 29 2013 08:13 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 08:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 29 2013 07:49 Palmar wrote: I want to kill the cobbler. Will it be as convincing as your push on VE? Are you telling me you don't want to lynch the cobbler? No, I would be happy to lynch the cobbler. Your change of target pleases me, but I was wondering what kind of expectations I should have for your push of him. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 28 2013 23:21 GMT
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April 29 2013 08:26 GMT
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Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 08:57 GMT
#3163
Third party, please shoot shiao for us because I don't think we have a vig kthx. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 10:22 GMT
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April 29 2013 11:42 GMT
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April 29 2013 11:46 GMT
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April 29 2013 14:41 GMT
#3189
On April 29 2013 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: well what in the actual fuck was going on? >_> I am not scum so either CC is scum or I got framed/am miller. You sure convinced me you're not scum with those hot arguments. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 14:44 GMT
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Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 14:50 GMT
#3195
Or you can not bother if you're scum of course. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 18:49 GMT
#3249
On April 30 2013 03:40 GiygaS wrote: I like how there's now a discussion about my nickname being suspicious or not. I have to admit this is too next level for me, GargoyleS. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 18:56 GMT
#3252
On April 30 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Oo, oo I've got one! Gizmos and gadgetS? Too much? Too long, needs to be catchier. GrapeS? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 19:26 GMT
#3256
On April 30 2013 04:12 GiygaS wrote: Hey guys? How about GiygaS? Dude, that's awful. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 20:51 GMT
#3280
Have you come up with a good name for Grimes yet? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 20:53 GMT
#3284
On April 30 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yamato, I suggest you do something to make yourself feel better. Have you come up with a good name for Grimes yet? And you.......you. What the fuck are YOU doing? I missed out on the fun when 3 people claimed cop which I'm very sad about so I'm making up for lost time. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 21:12 GMT
#3303
On April 30 2013 05:58 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 30 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 30 2013 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yamato, I suggest you do something to make yourself feel better. Have you come up with a good name for Grimes yet? And you.......you. What the fuck are YOU doing? I missed out on the fun when 3 people claimed cop which I'm very sad about so I'm making up for lost time. Seriously, I've been holding off on calling you out on it just to see how far you'd continue. You're far too interested in funny variations of GiygaS' name, and absolutely not interested in doing anything constructive. I'd feel great about someone shooting you tonight. You're just jealous of the attention he's getting, Hydrant. + Show Spoiler + We don't have any vigilantes anyway and I just felt like having some fun. Will probably do useful things again after flips. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 21:20 GMT
#3307
On April 30 2013 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm really concerned that I don't know who Artanis finds suspicious or what he's really doing at all. The thing is with all the shenanigans, it's hard to discern players who just feel helplessly lost in the maelstrom and players who are maliciously encouraging confusion. On April 28 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't need to read the entire game to see that you're town VE. I'll indulge you and give a few short words why I suspect each though. Kush: Bandwagoned on rayn, playing lazy, soft defends GiygaS GiygaS: Aforementioned quote triggered my scumdar. ShiaoPi: Active and happy during the early game, then activity took a nosedive for no apparent reason. Nothing of worth in filter. Sylencia: Lots of shitty posts, hard to tell if he's scum or bad town given history of mislynches. BC: Practically AFK during D1, comes back with a shitty case on Yamato filled with false accusations and confirmation bias. A tunnel that he's been on for some time now. BC should be better then that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 21:33 GMT
#3326
On April 30 2013 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: A LOT OF SHIT HAS HAPPENED ARTANIS AND INSTEAD OF COMMENT ON IT AND DRAW CONCLUSIONS YOU'RE DISCUSSING ASTHETIC VARIATIONS OF A PLAYERS FUCKING NAME BRO You won't believe how much I had to hold back to not troll you to oblivion here. I deserve a medal for that. What I conclude is that I think both Mr. CC and you are speaking the truth. I had a blue read on CC earlier, not sure why but I noted it down on my spreadsheet, and I have you in the books as near confirmed town. That makes Palmar's claim suspect the most. However, with scum starting with 2KP, a likely third party and at least two claimed millers (and who knows how many others) as well as no vigilantes for us it is feasible that we might have 3 cops. That, and I want to believe because I don't like the cobbler. Shiao seems the logical lynch for reasons many people have already stated. His filter is horrendous and he's opposite alignments of Sylencia presuming CC is telling the truth. The situation will resolve itself. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 29 2013 22:00 GMT
#3350
On April 30 2013 06:55 Palmar wrote: This is a great game. I'm just going to do nothing and let the hilariousness happen. I really have a bad case of the cba this game. I feel you entirely. I'm still going to try to do something because I feel guilty for the people that are putting in effort but it's very very hard to not go full troll mode at this point. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 10:55 GMT
#3556
Won't vote yet, there's no need to make the day as short as last time. Night actions were completely unsurprising, scum knew Shiaopi was dead anyway. VE's roleblock was also expected. Shame we don't have confirmation about Palmar's sanity though, I was looking forward to removing the cobbler from the premises. I'll await the third check from Palmar before I start on that to see if we can figure out if he's insane or paranoid. No rush in it anyway, and with a bit of luck shiao is the mafia RB. I'll look into GrapeS and Kush today. @OO At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'm inactive because it's a big game and I replaced in 72 pages in. In none of my games have I been a replacement. The heuristic doesn't fly here. Any other similarities to my scum games that you find compared to my town games or is that it? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 14:11 GMT
#3589
On April 30 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote: Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here. I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check. But if Palmar was lying and isn't a cop, why did he claim a guilty check on OO? If he isn't a cop and wanted BC lynched, he shot himself in the foot there. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 14:25 GMT
#3595
On April 30 2013 23:13 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 30 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote: On April 30 2013 22:43 Bill Murray wrote: Also, BC calling Palmar scum is a complete OMGUS if you look at the top of the page. Palmar just called BC scum. BC = active lurking here. I think BC brought up a good point though. He claimed roleblocked, which means jailed, and Palmar went out of his way to mention multiple times that it was a JK that saved his life and it had to have been his life saved. Yet there was two roleblocks only on that night so... that is something. And I think of Palmar was really trying to push for BC instead of look kinda useful crazy cop man, he would have seen that descrepincy and mentioned it when he was saying he saw that BC came up red for his check. But if Palmar was lying and isn't a cop, why did he claim a guilty check on OO? If he isn't a cop and wanted BC lynched, he shot himself in the foot there. He could claim paranoid, which he just did. It worked if he was believed, and sense no one bit thanks to our cop mass dibacle, he got another day to say he was paranoid. It's a plausible explanation, but there were still plenty of people that at least mildly suspected BC. I don't think Palmar would've started a gambit like this and halfass it that much only to abandon it the next day, though it is possible that he did so because two other people claimed cop which he didn't expect. Hmm. It's also strange that Palmar was on VE's case so much all through D1 and I believe D2 then didn't end up checking him, but rather the cobbler which he only mentioned twice before that day, once in the "list of bloodycobblers" and once in response to getting called out by him. Palmar, why did you end up checking BC instead of VE when you called him scum all day, and what caused you to change your read on VE? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 14:34 GMT
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April 30 2013 14:35 GMT
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April 30 2013 14:42 GMT
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Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 14:47 GMT
#3608
On April 30 2013 23:45 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 30 2013 23:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sure, but BC wasn't being completely inactive. If you were going for an inactive player there were far better targets like Stutters. It's clear that Palmar felt BC was unreadable, as he was reluctant to call him mafia day 1 based on the fact that BC is always bad day 1. And the whole "list of cobblers" thing. This is true, but Palmar was completely set on VE on D1 and D2. I would think he'd want confirmation on that check given how it was the only thing he talked about. I agree with you that you don't necessarily need to check your scumspects, but Palmar was pretty one-track minded for the first two days so it wouldn't make sense in his case. I'd like to hear his explanation, in any case, as well as his reasoning of why he suddenly thought VE was town. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 15:05 GMT
#3620
On May 01 2013 00:04 yamato77 wrote: With ShaioPi being confirmed scum, I think our best plan of action is to lynch Ace tomorrow. Details at 11. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 15:31 GMT
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April 30 2013 19:44 GMT
#3659
I would also like to hear more from Stutters, on anything really. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 20:22 GMT
#3681
On May 01 2013 04:48 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 04:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I would like to see Yamato and Ace as well as Palmar and BC engaged in Mortal Kombat. I would also like to hear more from Stutters, on anything really. You there! Substitute scate on through to the other side boy. What are your thoughts on these people and cases against them and why? I think Yamato is town and he suspects Ace whom I'm pretty null on after Shiao flipped scum JK, since his foremost claim to towniness is gone. I've already suspected the cobbler, but I don't think the cobbler and palmar can be in the same scumteam given their interactions. I don't think I need to explain to you that Palmar's claim has been fairly fishy, and his VE tunnel poorly reasoned. I find it likely that one of the two is scum after getting townier reads on other players. As for Stutters, there hasn't been much content to judge him on. I can follow his thought process but there's not enough of it to judge on, ergo I would like to hear more from him. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 20:25 GMT
#3683
I don't want to open up the vet filters though, it'll be too much effort | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 20:36 GMT
#3690
On May 01 2013 05:31 Palmar wrote: guys I'm town. Will you fight the cobbler in Mortal Kombat? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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April 30 2013 20:46 GMT
#3694
On May 01 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: OH PALMAR WHO'S YORU SCUMBUDDY? IS IT ARTANIS? Make it real small so that only I can see it! Everyone will promise not to look right guys? That'd be sick, we could have a sick back and forth going on where he calls you scum and I call you town and we derail the entire thread like that. I wish I was on a QT with Palmar now. TRN, can you mason me next? I want to banter with him | ||
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April 30 2013 20:50 GMT
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April 30 2013 21:08 GMT
#3701
On May 01 2013 06:03 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 05:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 01 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: OH PALMAR WHO'S YORU SCUMBUDDY? IS IT ARTANIS? Make it real small so that only I can see it! Everyone will promise not to look right guys? That'd be sick, we could have a sick back and forth going on where he calls you scum and I call you town and we derail the entire thread like that. I wish I was on a QT with Palmar now. TRN, can you mason me next? I want to banter with him You do realize if I mason you its just me and you right? Games with the always expanding mason list with everyone otgether is done with host controling who gets masoned/rnging it. Oh. Well that's boring. Nevermind then | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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May 01 2013 08:15 GMT
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May 01 2013 08:42 GMT
#4006
On May 01 2013 17:32 yamato77 wrote: I'm glad everyone seems to be able to recognize good analysis when they see it. Artanis, who do you think the last mafia is and why? Right now I'm inclined to believe it's you. I dunno yet. Probably between BC and Palmar. Have you filtered me yet? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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May 01 2013 08:49 GMT
#4008
On May 01 2013 17:44 ObviousOne wrote: I took a step back and thought about it. How did I do? | ||
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May 01 2013 09:33 GMT
#4010
On May 01 2013 18:30 ObviousOne wrote: ITT: artanis happy it wasn't a case on him Not really, it would be impossible to even fathom a case on the shining beacon of towniness that is my filter. | ||
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May 01 2013 14:45 GMT
#4017
On May 01 2013 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wait a minute, OO. Is it the comparison between saying you're bad therefore mafia, and then saying townies are bad? I just caught that. Hmmmm...that IS good. I dunno now...what do?? It is simple. We lynch the cobbler. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 14:59 GMT
#4019
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 15:42 GMT
#4028
On May 02 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: That Artanis liked that case is pretty amazing, I'm left wondering what he liked about it. I just wanted to applaud for that last sentence because it was beautiful. Overall, the storytelling was grand. The case isn't particularly strong on actual evidence, it just provides a reasonable narrative for a scum BC. There's no hard evidence, it just makes sense given how BC has played. The case is far too short and lacking to be damning which is why as stated I'd want to see Hopeless flip first, but it gives a decent narrative. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 20:20 GMT
#4063
... Nah, lynch hopeless. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 20:49 GMT
#4070
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 20:52 GMT
#4071
Where oh where has Bill Murray the town hero gone? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 20:58 GMT
#4075
On May 02 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote: Why is palmer not being voted for anymore? Because BC looks worse between the two and Hopeless looks worse than both combined. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 21:20 GMT
#4079
On May 02 2013 06:14 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote: Why is palmer not being voted for anymore? Because BC looks worse between the two and Hopeless looks worse than both combined. The guy whos played enough games to know better and couldn't be verified. By a cop;ooks better then the guy he tried to get killed off a single check only to declare paranoid when people called bullshit? VE said he thought palmer was scum too... killing him after he says yamato buries it well and is a good wifom bomb. I can take one element from the game and use it to jump to conclusions too. You're presuming Palmar made up that he's a cop when you take this line. It's very possible he's a paranoid cop, and the guilty check was just a bonus upon the suspicion he already had on BC. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 21:37 GMT
#4084
On May 02 2013 06:29 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 06:14 TheRavensName wrote: On May 02 2013 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote: Why is palmer not being voted for anymore? Because BC looks worse between the two and Hopeless looks worse than both combined. The guy whos played enough games to know better and couldn't be verified. By a cop;ooks better then the guy he tried to get killed off a single check only to declare paranoid when people called bullshit? VE said he thought palmer was scum too... killing him after he says yamato buries it well and is a good wifom bomb. I can take one element from the game and use it to jump to conclusions too. You're presuming Palmar made up that he's a cop when you take this line. It's very possible he's a paranoid cop, and the guilty check was just a bonus upon the suspicion he already had on BC. But palmar should know better that's a noob mistake even I wouldn,t have walked into is my point. And look it fished out all our confirmed cops who all died before he could be checked. If I wanted to take one random thing I would go find where palmer said anyone who thought he wasn't town was going to die and call it a scum slip. It has nothing to do with being a noob mistake and everything to do with Palmar being lazy and figuring he has an argument to call BC scum with minimal effort. I can see Palmar being scum, but I don't find it as likely as BC being scum and certainly not as likely as Hopeless being scum. Also, nice straw man. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 21:46 GMT
#4090
On May 02 2013 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 06:40 Stutters695 wrote: Wasn't the discussion a couple days ago that one cop was probably lying? Palmar happens to be paranoid after claiming cop without knowing his sanity while trying to lynch BC for a check? Is there something in his filter you see that really makes him town I'm missing? Nothing about that REALLY makes him town but to pull that shit as scum and trying to do it in earnest doesn't make much sense either. I forget whose idea this was but I COULD see it being an attempt to protect BC if they were both scum considering no one would take his read seriously. Ugh the end of this game is gonna be tough. Palmar and BC being scum together would be a big surprise to me. I could see either being scum individually but not together. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 21:58 GMT
#4095
On May 02 2013 06:52 TheRavensName wrote: Okay artanis how aboout when it was sharrity v clarity shio went out of his way to mention how towwny palmar was compared to everyone on clarity and that's why he wanted to vote sharrant? He even likes palmars claim the most. Hell if you throw that in, looks more like palmer chose clarity over shar and shio because it was more popular and he was better getting rid of than shiao who wasn't on the edge of being modkilled? When I played scum I never called any of my teammates super townie. Actually, if anything, scum find it difficult to interact with one another. Shiao had two interactions with BC and never discussed him once. Clarity discusses Palmar and BC equally and calls BC a townread, so if you want to go through with whom players that flipped scum called town, clarity did so for BC. As for the latter reason, that's worthless speculation. It'd be grounds to suspect Ace more than anything since he's the one that derailed the lynch. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 22:05 GMT
#4099
On May 02 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 06:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 06:52 TheRavensName wrote: Okay artanis how aboout when it was sharrity v clarity shio went out of his way to mention how towwny palmar was compared to everyone on clarity and that's why he wanted to vote sharrant? He even likes palmars claim the most. Hell if you throw that in, looks more like palmer chose clarity over shar and shio because it was more popular and he was better getting rid of than shiao who wasn't on the edge of being modkilled? When I played scum I never called any of my teammates super townie. Actually, if anything, scum find it difficult to interact with one another. Shiao had two interactions with BC and never discussed him once. Clarity discusses Palmar and BC equally and calls BC a townread, so if you want to go through with whom players that flipped scum called town, clarity did so for BC. As for the latter reason, that's worthless speculation. It'd be grounds to suspect Ace more than anything since he's the one that derailed the lynch. Palmar teying to push a thread town read over a confirmed scum isn't derailing? What exactly do you mean? I'm confused. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 01 2013 23:08 GMT
#4110
Case inc tomorrow. Get hype. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 07:31 GMT
#4193
This will simply not do. I'm very disappointed. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 08:43 GMT
#4194
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 11:52 GMT
#4199
Need one more! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:19 GMT
#4204
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:22 GMT
#4206
On May 02 2013 21:21 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TRN popcorn will not be accepted because he's a sour grape. Whatever. Your giving me less insentive to take my vote off of palmar. That's fine, I'm counting on the rest of town playing to their wincon, one player not doing so doesn't really bother me. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:24 GMT
#4208
On May 02 2013 21:23 kushm4sta wrote: not amused artanis /unpopcorn You can't unpopcorn when you've already given me popcorn. It's already been eaten. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:26 GMT
#4210
On May 02 2013 21:24 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 21:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 21:21 TheRavensName wrote: On May 02 2013 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TRN popcorn will not be accepted because he's a sour grape. Whatever. Your giving me less insentive to take my vote off of palmar. That's fine, I'm counting on the rest of town playing to their wincon, one player not doing so doesn't really bother me. So what happens if you don't get your last popcorn? You going to just allow your case to go to waste? I'm pretty sure I'll be getting it with this many players in play. If not, I'll post it postgame I guess! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:28 GMT
#4213
On May 02 2013 21:26 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 21:24 TheRavensName wrote: On May 02 2013 21:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 21:21 TheRavensName wrote: On May 02 2013 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TRN popcorn will not be accepted because he's a sour grape. Whatever. Your giving me less insentive to take my vote off of palmar. That's fine, I'm counting on the rest of town playing to their wincon, one player not doing so doesn't really bother me. So what happens if you don't get your last popcorn? You going to just allow your case to go to waste? I'm pretty sure I'll be getting it with this many players in play. If not, I'll post it postgame I guess! If I was a vigi, I would shoot you for this comment. And if I was a vigi I'd shoot you and take your popcorn. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:29 GMT
#4217
On May 02 2013 21:28 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 21:26 TheRavensName wrote: On May 02 2013 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 21:24 TheRavensName wrote: On May 02 2013 21:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 21:21 TheRavensName wrote: On May 02 2013 21:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TRN popcorn will not be accepted because he's a sour grape. Whatever. Your giving me less insentive to take my vote off of palmar. That's fine, I'm counting on the rest of town playing to their wincon, one player not doing so doesn't really bother me. So what happens if you don't get your last popcorn? You going to just allow your case to go to waste? I'm pretty sure I'll be getting it with this many players in play. If not, I'll post it postgame I guess! If I was a vigi, I would shoot you for this comment. And if I was a vigi I'd shoot you and take your popcorn. he already ate it, that selfish sob Can we hang him for that after we lynch the cobbler? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:36 GMT
#4225
HYPE | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:36 GMT
#4226
Nickname: The Cobbler Profile: Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice. At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game. On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote: On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there. I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town. You, on the other hand, are worth looking at. Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here. Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that. BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful. On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting. First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for. Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death. He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people? Simple. Yamato is scum. Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch. Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town. Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat. Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it. These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 05:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC? I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there? Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum. On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, On April 26 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption. And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game. As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc" I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped. On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him. On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??! Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response: On April 26 2013 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity? Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books. People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit. Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred. On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go. On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go. Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today. On April 27 2013 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly. I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post? I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects. On April 27 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied. I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly. As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot. Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him! So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response: On April 27 2013 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote: On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters? I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once. BC, what do you say to my response? Since you're obviously here, reading. still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however. Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment. So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out. On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote. I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him. And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one. On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool. Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum. Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active. hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes. Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter. Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off" Show nested quote + On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can. ##Vote ShiaoPi This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found Show nested quote + On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning: On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses. Yet his bandwagon: On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though. When asked about whether he would vote Yamato. Tube: ??? Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since. Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime. Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats. VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below) On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic. Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above) Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE. Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?) Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning. WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum. Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight. On April 29 2013 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours? Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum. So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again? Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum. He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving. On April 30 2013 09:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks. That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully. Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia. Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia. He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind. CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake. Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason. We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well. Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list. What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!" On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently. We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. "Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that." On May 01 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote: On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote: On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently. We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar. Me Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake. I claimed this day 2 -_- BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you. Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else. I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint. So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game. BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum? On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why? I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no? If you need a new summary He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though What has changed? Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy. So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left. On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure. HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS Then there's this. On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote: On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip. So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace. As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation. Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter. What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before. Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan. Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him. So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum. A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post. BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl. I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard" I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_- OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again. On April 24 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:29 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC? And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount? And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats? And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch? And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats? I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening. I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons. Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations. Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment. Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious. The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:51 GMT
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On May 02 2013 21:48 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 21:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Subject name: Bloodyc0bbler Nickname: The Cobbler Profile: Mafia Future: Lynched by the mob of justice. At the start of the game, BlazingHand wrote to Bloodyc0bbler: You're a scummy sonuvabitch aintcha, your teammates are Tube, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi and some other semi-afk dude lol enjoy http://youtu.be/PbcctWbC8Q0?t=2m21s This annoys the cobbler, which can be seen in his first post in the game. A post which announces the tunnel he will put himself in for the rest of the game. On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote: On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote: so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there. I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town. You, on the other hand, are worth looking at. Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here. Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading BC instantly calls Yamato likely scum and calls OO scum for suggesting that claiming miller is acceptable. So far, we've had only one person that claimed self-aware miller and I'm pretty sure he's town. It seems likely that BC wanted millers to stay hidden to give scum a chance for a mislynch in case they get checked. Town players that claim miller are excellent since it reduces from the pool of players that give detectives false information, and if scum has no intention of claiming miller, they certainly don't want town players to do so. It's also an easy way to look like you're contributing. The full exchange between OO and BC can be found in OO's case so I won't reiterate that. BC, the player who had a strong scumread on Yamato never bothers to truly push him. Instead, he blabbers on about millers as if it'll get him anywhere. It won't, and he knows it won't, but he'd rather keep talking about that than actually having to push his scumread. Why doesn't he do so? It's fairly obvious. Once Yamato flips green, all eyes would be turned to him and his filter wouldn't survive the scrutiny. So he pushes Yamato weakly. Never asks people what they thought of him, just answering questions when people decide to look into the case. And the case is pretty damn awful. On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok lets move into the land of posting. First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for. Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death. He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people? Simple. Yamato is scum. Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch. Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town. Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat. Read this case, and read it thoroughly. It is full of shit. Yamato has created 3 cases at this point and pushed for them stronger than BC has on anyone. Consolidating on town is a shit argument because it's an instant majority game with no deadline so how the FUCK does that make anyone scum? It doesn't, it's just bullshit padding. Then there's a whole bunch of loaded questions he asks and answers himself with no content whatsoever. To top it all off, he adds a second scumspect that he never mentioned before in the same post and finishes the same post off with a defense of himself. he never wanted this case to be looked at. He never wanted yamato lynched. Would this be the case a cobbler makes to get someone lynched? Is this the fear of any scumteam that causes him to get shot N1 every time? No. It's awful, and he needs to die for it. These are the first posts he made instantly after he posted his case. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 05:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: why would town jail BC? I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there? Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum. On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, On April 26 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption. And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game. As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc" I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped. On April 26 2013 05:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well No mention of Yamato or Mr. CC, he just instantly jumps back to town sentiment. He doesn't give a shit about actually getting Yamato lynched, he'd be fine with a Palmar lynch, or whoever town wants to lynch, as long as it isn't him. On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though This is the last time he mentions Yamato for a long time other than in passing, the player he has a 100% scumread on. WHY DOES HE NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING HIS 100% SCUMREAD LYNCHED?!??! Anyway, the thread goes on with suspicion being cast upon Clarity and Shiao, two people we later found out were scum. BC's initial response: On April 26 2013 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity? Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books. People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar A null read and they should be dealt with with a vigi. No one really cared about getting either lynched. Following thread sentiment, seems legit. Then, he sees one of his buddies make a bad post. He knows people are suspecting Shiao already. Since he's inactive, he mind as well go for it and collect some towncred. On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Buut Shiao answers decently and BC notices that town doesn't want to lynch Shiao, so he lets it go. On April 27 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that explains a lot. You know sometimes people realize they are arguing with a townie and let go. Anyways i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi today. On April 27 2013 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote: On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly. I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post? I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much Backing off weakly on his scumbuddy because it wasn't necessary to sacrifice him here just yet. It's interesting to note how he jumps on Shiao so strongly, yet hasn't commented on Yamato's posts at all in quite some time. His #1 scumread is forgotten. He hasn't even responded to any posts Mr. CC made either, which is another one of his suspects. On April 27 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied. I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly. As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot. Hold on hold on hold on VE I don't actually want Yamato lynched I just want to pressure him! So eventually, Yamato responds to the case. BC's response: On April 27 2013 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote: On April 27 2013 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters? I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once. BC, what do you say to my response? Since you're obviously here, reading. still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however. Does this look like someone who was 100% convinced Yamato was scum? No. He never actually gets back to it either. There's one point in his favour and that's that he calls both Clarity and Shiao likely mafia, but he knew they were likely to die. He didn't have enough towncred to prevent it, and he wouldn't be able to save them anyway so he just went with the flow, as BC has been doing the entire game. Following thread sentiment. So the cobbler has been pretty inactive for a while from here, only making a few posts here and there that essentially say nothing. Thus, VE calls him out. On April 28 2013 23:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Problem I see with BC is that yamato's play is genuinely bad for yamato if he's town and I can see BC thinking yamato is scum based on what's in the thread. However I agree that BC will generally take a long-view of the game and produce more targets. What I find most interesting however was around the D2 lynch...when Ace and I were arguing between Shiao and Clarity, BC had nothing to add one way or the other...he was content to just sit, watch and eventually cast his vote. I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him. And pronto, BC shits out a few reads on lurkers that would surprise absolutely no one. On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC's List of people who should be shot/checked/lynched. This list is created based on many variables. My belief is all are scum/third party given current information pool. Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum. Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active. hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes. Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter. Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off" On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can. ##Vote ShiaoPi This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning: On April 24 2013 04:42 grush57 wrote: Gigyas He literally reposts what others say a page later and contributes jack shit to get on a bandwagon between 2 town players, yamato and oats. He also screams scummy through the power of starsenses. Yet his bandwagon: On April 23 2013 05:01 grush57 wrote: I guess I didn't because I'm not sure yet of who to lynch and who would get lynched. I would glady do it though. When asked about whether he would vote Yamato. Tube: ??? Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since. Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime. Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats. VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below) On April 23 2013 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: first off, i was just scum with him, and i don't think he's scum this game what makes the bolded so bad? i don't see it. that's actually when it started getting a more lilting tone, and felt like he was trying to be big-papa-bear, to me Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic. Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above) Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE. Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?) Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning. WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum. Look at this part on Yamato. It's not telling people why they should lynch Yamato, it's telling people "I'm not scum because I have reasons for my suspicion on him!" In no way does this push Yamato in any way, it's just his justification for finding him scummy. So it turns out BC didn't find Yamato's response satisfactory, yet he never bothered to respond to it. Why not? Because he didn't want it in the limelight. On April 29 2013 09:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours? Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum. So now BC's main suspects are Yamato and Stutters. What did BC say about Stutters again? Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum. He already said that he didn't know where Stutters stood until Shiao flipped. Earlier in the game, he indicated that he suspected both Shiao and Clarity, yet surprisingly Shiao disappeared from his to be shot list. BC has not forgotten about him clearly since he mentions that Shiao is still alive, yet he wants to kill Stutters for derailing a lynch from a person he thought was scum to a person he knows is scum. Other than that, the only reason he pushes Stutters is inactivity. Yet it's his second strongest suspect? Why? And where did Mr. CC go in all of this? Nowhere does BC explain that read evolving. On April 30 2013 09:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks. That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully. Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia. Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia. He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind. CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake. Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason. We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well. Where did Yamato go? Why are Hopeless and me suddenly on the list? It looks like he has 6 players on a list and just randomly RNGs which one he mentions next. No justification, no reason why Yamato is missing and why myself or hopeless is suddenly on the list. What's also interesting is his soft pushing of Palmar. He mentions Palmar a lot in his filter and argues with him a bit, but he never actually pushes for his lynch. It's the same in this post. "Until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well." This is not a push by any means, it just provides an easy scapegoat later. "Look, I did accuse him!" On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently. We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. "Please don't kill my scumbuddy jailer yet, I'd like to roleblock another detective and lynch one before we do that." On May 01 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote: On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote: On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently. We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar. Me Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake. I claimed this day 2 -_- BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you. Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else. I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint. So just a while back Palmar was scum until he stopped trolling, and now he's scum or 3p for sure. BC knew Palmar wasn't going to change, he just wanted some time before he actually called him scum. Not that he actually pushes for anyone, mind you. He just continues to spend his time defending himself and talking setup/mechanics rather than actually pushing anyone. A trend he has had the entire game. BC then goes into inactivity and just posts a bunch of oneliner replies to questions without any real content or purpose. There's no force behind anything. He's playing meek. Oh yeah, remember about Yamato being 100% scum? On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why? I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no? If you need a new summary He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though What has changed? Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy. So he's only 80% sure of Yamato being scum now. Given that he named 4 names earlier and Yamato wasn't one of them anymore (me, Hopeless, Stutters and Palmar), that must mean he was more than 80% sure on the four of us. Strange given there are only 2 scum players left. On May 01 2013 09:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Keep in mind VE, I still think Yamato is very likely to flip mafia, I just believe Palmar is going to flip mafia for sure. HE'S SO CERTAIN YET HE'S NOT PUSHING ANYONE STRONGLY, HE'S JUST ANSWERING RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT PLAYERS Then there's this. On May 01 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote: On May 01 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip. So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace. As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation. Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter. What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before. Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan. Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him. So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum. A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post. BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl. I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard" I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_- OO already mentioned why this was noteworthy, but I'll post it again. On April 24 2013 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 24 2013 04:29 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC? And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount? And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats? And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch? And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats? I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening. I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons. Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations. Yamato and Palmar probably made the worst posts in the game according to BC, yet he just said the people who make the dumbest posts are town. That's pretty... interesting. This game, Palmar is pretty much playing lynchbait for the heck of it, and it's plain as day to see. However, he has a reputation as a vet. The two combined makes it easy for people to push him. Given most of the vets are still alive, it's easy for BC to push into him. A logical choice that, once again, follows town sentiment. Tl;dr 1. BC has tunneled Yamato from his first post, yet never pushed him strongly. 2. BC's reads barely evolve and when they do, they're never/poorly explained. 3. BC treated the people that flipped scum very differently from the people that haven't, being far more willing to push them when town sentiment shifts. 4. BC's case on Yamato was godawful and looked more like trying to contribute than anything else. No conviction. 5. BC has followed town sentiment to the T. 6. BC spends more time answering random questions than actually pushing his candidates. 7. BC doesn't give a shit about who actually gets lynched, as long as he doesn't look suspicious. The cobbler is scum. It is time for the cobbler to get cobbled to death. ##Unvote ##Vote Bloodyc0bbler | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 12:56 GMT
#4230
gogo. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 13:16 GMT
#4234
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 13:25 GMT
#4236
On May 02 2013 22:21 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 22:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: TRN why are you bringing up a new case when there's a massive one that just got posted? ??? Cause it made me look at Shiao's last reads and I wanted to post it while I was still thinking about it. Plus, you didn't name a 5th scum. Fair enough, I suggest we agree on lynching the 4th scum before we start looking for the 5th scum though. The three popcorns haven't even commented on the case yet. I don't want people to split their attention right now. Focus on BC. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 13:41 GMT
#4241
On May 02 2013 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: TRN that shit can be explained by: i wasn't reading so I had no idea wtf was going on Stop read case on BC comment | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:08 GMT
#4243
On May 02 2013 23:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thanks for confirming yourself as one of the final mafia artanis. I stopped reading at the point of you claiming I never wanted Yamato lynched given how full of shit you are. Thanks for trying desperately to get me lynched though. Sick defense dude. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:11 GMT
#4245
On May 02 2013 23:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 23:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 23:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thanks for confirming yourself as one of the final mafia artanis. I stopped reading at the point of you claiming I never wanted Yamato lynched given how full of shit you are. Thanks for trying desperately to get me lynched though. Sick defense dude. only defend things worth defending yo. Not worth the time otherwise Good point. I'll stop replying to you until you actually read the case and try to refute it. I doubt that'll happen anyway, seems you've already resigned. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:16 GMT
#4249
On May 02 2013 23:13 GiygaS wrote: Just finished reading that case, it relies entirely on the fact that BC is actually 100 % sure of Yamato being mafia, which it really seems like he isn't based on his posts. You're basically calling him scum for changing his mind about someone but not explicitly saying that he's changed his mind. No, it's relying on the fact that he calls Yamato 100% scum then never pushes him strongly or interacts with him to confirm his read at all. He's playing a passive game, calling people scum with a soft voice. He never told people to look at his case on Yamato. He never cared about getting his main scumread lynched. He never tried to get anyone lynched. There is no conviction in anything he does. That is not town BC. The tl;dr points indicate exactly that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:19 GMT
#4251
On May 02 2013 23:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why? I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no? If you need a new summary He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though What has changed? Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy. As a note artanis I believed I put this out what? yesterday in terms of game days of who I wanted to lynch if yamato or palmar and I stated My read of Yamato wasn't as severe anymore. Seeing you respond to things I've already addressed in my case is painful. Pls read. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:26 GMT
#4254
On May 02 2013 23:22 GiygaS wrote: All I got to say is that this was not enough to shift my view on BC being town. I'm far more sure on Hopeless than BC. You just can't seem to shake that maybe he changed his mind on Yamato, while focusing on what's actually going on in the thread. BC, I'd like to see your cases now that you think you have it figured out. If he changed his mind on Yamato, why did he name him as a suspect throughout the entire game and never pushed him strongly? Yes, he said he was scum. Yes, he made a small, shitty case. He never forced people to listen to him. He was never a town presence. BC can be a town presence, but he isn't. And yes, he changed his mind on Yamato. Rather than thinking him 100% scum, he thinks him to be 80% scum. He named 4 suspects right before that that didn't include Yamato which he considered his top suspects. Tell me how that adds up. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:28 GMT
#4255
On May 02 2013 23:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 23:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 01 2013 09:12 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why? I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no? If you need a new summary He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though What has changed? Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy. As a note artanis I believed I put this out what? yesterday in terms of game days of who I wanted to lynch if yamato or palmar and I stated My read of Yamato wasn't as severe anymore. Seeing you respond to things I've already addressed in my case is painful. Pls read. How about you make a real case? Your premise for it is very clear is you disagree with my read. Note how I have been harassing yamato over the course of the game? Notice how VE did? Notice how Ace did? If you agreed with my read of yamato as scum you'd not make a case centered purely around that. Your case that I have read, reads as some massive defense of a player while using my suspicion of but lack of "making sure he dies" as the reason I am scum. How about he didn't get pushed because we had better lynch options appear? How about we had dt red checks to sort out? This is why you aren't going to get more than this as a response to it. Your case is something that could have been put together in 10-15 minutes of cherry picking posts. It IS a real case, and you're only responding to the part regarding Yamato. I have read your entire filter and you didn't push Yamato. You didn't care if he got lynched or not or you would've put a bunch more effort into actually getting lynched. You had a scumread on Yamato all throughout Day 2 and never got him anywhere close on the agenda. I don't buy that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:34 GMT
#4257
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:38 GMT
#4259
On May 02 2013 23:35 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 23:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yamato, what are your thoughts on the case? It's somewhat correct in that I don't feel BC has ever pushed any agenda strongly this game, but that makes me feel like he's more likely third party than scum. But 3rd party wouldn't make sense given we've only had one kill each night now and he hasn't gotten roleblocked (at least to our knowledge) so we'd have to have had two deaths by now unless he kept trying to poison Ace, which I consider unlikely. Town or scum, what do you think? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:38 GMT
#4260
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:40 GMT
#4263
On May 02 2013 23:39 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 02 2013 23:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 02 2013 23:35 yamato77 wrote: On May 02 2013 23:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yamato, what are your thoughts on the case? It's somewhat correct in that I don't feel BC has ever pushed any agenda strongly this game, but that makes me feel like he's more likely third party than scum. But 3rd party wouldn't make sense given we've only had one kill each night now and he hasn't gotten roleblocked (at least to our knowledge) so we'd have to have had two deaths by now unless he kept trying to poison Ace, which I consider unlikely. Town or scum, what do you think? Or he's Rita Skeeter. That's a good point, I hadn't thought about that yet. BC, are you survivor or scum? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:40 GMT
#4264
On May 02 2013 23:39 kushm4sta wrote: artanis im gonna need a tldr on that case of yours It's at the bottom of the case dude | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 14:46 GMT
#4267
On May 02 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote: I think there's some actual suspicion of me somewhere in there from BC, which means he actually thought about my alignment, which eliminates the possibility of him being mafia and knowing alignments. I also don't feel like his play is suited for mafia, because mafia have a vested interest in pushing their agenda. The only person who's agenda is to simply not get lynched is Rita Skeeter, and for that, his play fits perfectly. It is a possibility. I would like for BC to claim survivor if he is such. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 15:11 GMT
#4272
Yamato: I think it's very likely that it was a 3rd party kill because I don't think Grush was a player that scum really feared. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 15:19 GMT
#4276
On May 03 2013 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Jesus that BC case. Sorry Artanis, but Hopeless is looking a lot scummier to me atm. Why? What did you not like about it, and why do you think Hopeless' case is stronger? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:02 GMT
#4404
Lynch Hopeless or BC. I prefer BC because Hopeless is nice and BC doesn't give a shit. Calls me confirmed scum then fucks off after a short back and forth. Calls my case shit when his case on Yamato was far shittier. Never bothers to actually do anything other than defend himself and throw some mild accusations around with no conviction. Pls lynch. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:05 GMT
#4406
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:06 GMT
#4408
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:09 GMT
#4410
I want to give Hopeless some more time. He hasn't responded to the case put against him in a way I'd expect scum to. Yes, the original case by Yamato was good and made good points, but I want to see where Hopeless leads us after Ace and BC hang. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:26 GMT
#4411
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:34 GMT
#4413
On May 03 2013 08:33 kushm4sta wrote: nope to killing ace regardless of the answer to this question, but can scum kp be rbed? Pretty sure this was answered before and the answer is nope. Why not, Kush? Do you not believe Ace is 3P or do you prefer to lynch scum over 3P? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:37 GMT
#4415
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:49 GMT
#4417
We suspect Ace of being a SP, not an SK. That makes the kills line up with his roleblocks I believe. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 02 2013 23:53 GMT
#4421
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 00:01 GMT
#4423
Going to bed now. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 09:40 GMT
#4433
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 12:37 GMT
#4436
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 12:39 GMT
#4438
Can we please just get rid of Ace now? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 12:45 GMT
#4441
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 12:50 GMT
#4443
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 13:03 GMT
#4445
To the rest of town, don't say what you think about TRN. I want hopeless to narrate it himself, fully. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 13:19 GMT
#4446
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 13:36 GMT
#4453
Ace is confirmed 3rd party. Lynching him frees up our JK, which means he can protect townies rather than stop Ace from firing which means we get potentially more days and forces scum to guess who won't get protected so they can't shoot who they want to without risk. Lynch Ace I'm just going to afk now until Ace is lynched, unless someone actually brings up something I've missed which I highly doubt. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 14:39 GMT
#4464
I want to lynch Ace today to free up the JK. Ace is confirmed 3P by virtue of the actions AND the fact that he's given up since people have discussed him as 3P. If he was town would he just let everyone accuse him of being 3P and sit back? No, he wouldn't. I want to lynch BC after Ace dies, I just want the town JK free to protect people that are town and you're an idiot if you think Ace isn't 3P. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 14:40 GMT
#4465
On May 03 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote: Artanis could be defending BC | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 15:28 GMT
#4474
On May 04 2013 00:13 Stutters695 wrote: And that's a completely unrealistic expectation. The odds are incredibly against that happening. 1 save does nothing except put us at mylo with 4. It isn't some huge advantage. That's just false. One extra confirmed townie to guide town is worth a lot, even if it doesn't help you with a mislynch. It also forces scum to go for targets they don't actually want to go after or risk that their shot is blocked. Okay, let's play this game. lynching ace is sub optimal play because: Jailer cannot protect himself and you've already stated doctor is unlikely. Mafia has 1/townie chance to randomly kill the jailer. That's without taking into account that yamato claims to know who it is.if he is right (not sure who he suspects or if he's mafia) then jailer dies tonight. If they don't hit jailer, jailer has 1/player base-1 to stop the shot not with standing his ability to determine who the mafia is or guess their might kill. Likely scenario: ace is , Lynched, jailer is shot. Day completely wasted, in same spot you are now, but with one less blue, still a potential but less likely 1 less green, and just as many mafia, but less lynches. The worst case scenario of letting ace live is your plans most likely scenario. This was addressed to everyone saying lynch ace. No, because you're assuming scum will hit a random townie. Scum doesn't want to hit a random townie, they want to hit confirmed townies or strong townies. Having a jailer alive to potentially block these targets hurts scum a lot, especially if the jailer doesn't have the greatest town presence/isn't considered that townie. Also, if you're right and the jailer gets shot, we need to lynch Ace anyway so we mind as well do it now. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 15:33 GMT
#4480
Town JK has to block Ace until he dies. We might lynch scum today, we might not. There will be continued talk about whether we should lynch Ace or not which will interrupt discussion. Once the JK dies, we have to kill Ace anyway. If it happens early, killing Ace today would've been better since we would've had one night in which the JK can protect us. If it happens late, then the JK wasted many days blocking Ace that he could've used to protect townies. Lynch Ace Town JK is freed and can protect townies. Scum don't know who they can hit. If they know who the JK is, they'll kill him. If they don't, then they need to take into account that players that are near confirmed town will be likely to be protected, so they might have to evade to shadier targets or take the risk. Town discussion is fully about scumhunting again, which scum would not want. JK is used to its fullest potential. Clearly lynching ace is superior. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 15:43 GMT
#4481
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 15:47 GMT
#4485
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 15:51 GMT
#4489
Also, I don't remember if I've ever played with you but I haven't exactly gotten strong town vibes from you. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 16:03 GMT
#4495
Go now, Ace. I release you to the wheel. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 16:09 GMT
#4499
Tomorrow, we lynch the cobbler. JK, whoever you are, assign a value on everyone based on the likeliness you think of them getting hit, then RNG between it. (for example. 50% player A 25% player B 25% player C, you RNG from 1-4 and on 1-2 you protect player A, 3 player B, 4 player C). Hopeless, case on TRN please. Everyone else, no opinions on TRN please. Let Hopeless make up his own mind. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 16:12 GMT
#4501
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 16:22 GMT
#4508
On May 04 2013 01:20 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2013 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As expected. Tomorrow, we lynch the cobbler. JK, whoever you are, assign a value on everyone based on the likeliness you think of them getting hit, then RNG between it. (for example. 50% player A 25% player B 25% player C, you RNG from 1-4 and on 1-2 you protect player A, 3 player B, 4 player C). Hopeless, case on TRN please. Everyone else, no opinions on TRN please. Let Hopeless make up his own mind. Should I be hurt your singling out me? Clearly there's a reason behind it, but I want to see Hopeless tackle this one. You shouldn't be hurt, it's a game after all! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 16:27 GMT
#4510
On May 04 2013 01:25 Stutters695 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2013 00:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then why did you feel the need to point out why you defended the second best plan? Also, I don't remember if I've ever played with you but I haven't exactly gotten strong town vibes from you. Because I've played before and know how this goes. If I say nothing someone accuses me of pushing a sub-optimal plan. If I point it out you accuse me of feeling guilty of defending a sub-optimal plan. However since my intentions are honest, by explaining my position and being transparent with my actions it should be obvious I'm town. Same way I play every game. If you play like that every game, then how does it differ from when you're scum? Have you even rolled scum on TL yet? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 16:37 GMT
#4512
Prove your alignment. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 16:55 GMT
#4515
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#4525
On May 04 2013 02:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2013 01:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC, if you're actually town convince me that Palmar is scum. I'm 99.99% sure one of you is scum and 90% that it's you. Put some fucking effort in. I did, and then you came in and went "luls nope you" So go fuck yourself. You can misslynch me and then do what you should have done which is listen to players who have done something this game. Have I been the most active player? No, however have I purposely fucked with the thread to the level Palmar has? Have I directly promised to analyze players and not done so? Have I made up a bullshit claim to get someone I want lynched lynched? Have I said I am doing x because I felt like it and no reason else? Has Palmar done anti-town stuff? Yes. Does playing anti-town make you scum? No. You should know that. Palmar is playing a game of not giving a shit, that doesn't make him scum. You've played a game in which you do appear to give a shit, yet never gave a shit for who actually got lynched. I have been more inactive than normal yes, but I have a busy life. I have at least attempted to state my opinions in some way that people can understand. If you honestly want to believe I am mafia then go for it. Just keep in mind that VE who flipped town as well as Ace who was instrumental in raping the mafia with a stick both said lynching me was stupid and had very similar mafia reads to my own. So even if you think I am scum. You can go back and double check the reads of those people who have flipped and realize maybe the guy whos still alive, who has been on a similar track to those that are dead who were pushing down mafia like flies? Maybe you should listen to him/them. However I know this won't convince you, you will lynch me, I flip town, and you will then go lynch completely other people because your not going to read over posts of those who died. Ace flipped 3rd party, his goal wasn't to lynch scum so his words mean nothing. VE actually considered you suspicious by the end of his life. One of his last posts was On May 02 2013 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm pretty interested in BC's lack of torch and pitchfork where WoS is concerned. He seemed like dead set on Wave dying because of the miller claim. Now? Not so much... He also mentioned that he was warming up for Yamato. On May 02 2013 00:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yamato the Hopeless case is sound. That wasn't so hard was it? So no, he didn't have the same suspects as you do right now. Your appeal to authority of dead players has failed. They will not protect you for the incoming doom. You will hang, and your red blood will drip from the gallows. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 17:34 GMT
#4528
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 17:48 GMT
#4530
On May 03 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote: Well after reading the case side by side with BCs filter here's what I see: Self-aware Miller part: I wasn't around when this happened but reading it originally I agreed that Miller claiming is dumb. Not necessarily lynchable depending on circumstances but your entire paragraph falls flat because you can't discern when a scum does it and by not lynching them you've opened an avenue to get out of cop checks. It's true that this part relies on the fact that scum does not want to fakeclaim miller. However, given that the only player who has claimed miller since then has been WoS and I'm confident he's town, it appears scum didn't want to fakeclaim miller therefore making it undesirable for them for townies to claim it. His long post where he mentions Yamato and CC and the four posts after: Consolidating wasn't the right word there but you're taking it out of context. I interpreted that as Yamato wasn't trying to actively get him lynched despite being the only constant read. Not sure if that's true as I haven't re-read that section in context with Yamato's posts. I'll have to check that when I have more time, but right now that's more null than anything else (if he is misrepresenting Yamato it is much more concerning). If that's what he meant, it'd be pretty hilarious since it's exactly what he hasn't done. He called for Yamato's lynch then moved on to the next subject. The four posts after were within twenty minutes of the original post. If he had nothing else to add and VE was the only other poster the hell do you expect him to do other than comment about other issues in town? My point was that he made a case and never rallied the troops to comment on it. I only quoted those 4 posts because after that he mentioned Yamato once, followed by a whole period of not talking about Yamato. The further into the case the more I agree with it however those points concerned me. I would like to hear his reasoning for the remainder of it but just reading it before without his filter and having those doubts I wasn't convinced without reading his filter myself. Still would prefer Hopeless but with the Palmar BC interactions I'd like to wait for BC to actually respond and Palmar's promised post. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 17:50 GMT
#4531
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 18:04 GMT
#4534
On May 04 2013 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 04 2013 02:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 04 2013 01:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC, if you're actually town convince me that Palmar is scum. I'm 99.99% sure one of you is scum and 90% that it's you. Put some fucking effort in. I did, and then you came in and went "luls nope you" So go fuck yourself. You can misslynch me and then do what you should have done which is listen to players who have done something this game. Have I been the most active player? No, however have I purposely fucked with the thread to the level Palmar has? Have I directly promised to analyze players and not done so? Have I made up a bullshit claim to get someone I want lynched lynched? Have I said I am doing x because I felt like it and no reason else? Has Palmar done anti-town stuff? Yes. Does playing anti-town make you scum? No. You should know that. Palmar is playing a game of not giving a shit, that doesn't make him scum. You've played a game in which you do appear to give a shit, yet never gave a shit for who actually got lynched. I have been more inactive than normal yes, but I have a busy life. I have at least attempted to state my opinions in some way that people can understand. If you honestly want to believe I am mafia then go for it. Just keep in mind that VE who flipped town as well as Ace who was instrumental in raping the mafia with a stick both said lynching me was stupid and had very similar mafia reads to my own. So even if you think I am scum. You can go back and double check the reads of those people who have flipped and realize maybe the guy whos still alive, who has been on a similar track to those that are dead who were pushing down mafia like flies? Maybe you should listen to him/them. However I know this won't convince you, you will lynch me, I flip town, and you will then go lynch completely other people because your not going to read over posts of those who died. Ace flipped 3rd party, his goal wasn't to lynch scum so his words mean nothing. VE actually considered you suspicious by the end of his life. One of his last posts was On May 02 2013 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm pretty interested in BC's lack of torch and pitchfork where WoS is concerned. He seemed like dead set on Wave dying because of the miller claim. Now? Not so much... He also mentioned that he was warming up for Yamato. On May 02 2013 00:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yamato the Hopeless case is sound. That wasn't so hard was it? So no, he didn't have the same suspects as you do right now. Your appeal to authority of dead players has failed. They will not protect you for the incoming doom. You will hang, and your red blood will drip from the gallows. Palmar actively said day 1 is his best day and one he believes is important and his top two reads that he pushed both flipped town. He continued to push VE and calling him scum when VE was catching us mafia. He has followed thread sentiment and appears more often than naught to defend himself while never providing shit to the thread. You think I am mafia because I never cared who got lynched? Day 1 I was gone for awhile just like I was in day 2 with reasons I stated as to why. I have a job, and a girlfriend who take up a ton of my time. When I was around I said my piece of who I thought should be lynched and who I thought was scum. I don't have the time to sit in a thread all day pushing who I want to the gallows. Instead I gave reasons of my reads. We then had things like red checks, etc... So when you say I dont seem to care about who gets lynched? Day 1 I had shit to do, day 2 I was actively around, day 3 and 4 were clearing dt checks and no one cared, and I clearly stated on day 5 who I wanted lynched and my vote is sitting on him. If you are going to attempt a case, please make it legit. If you ignore shit thats going on in thread and call me mafia for doing what I can point fingers at universally almost everyone for doing the same thing then you have a bad case. Tell me how Palmar actively trolling/not giving two shits while when he was "caring" he was actively pushing townies to die and even stated he thought the guy he pushed day 1 was town, is in any way town play. Tell me how claiming a dt day 3 with 1 check with an unconfirmed sanity is town play. Seriously. Explain to me how he is in any way town. You are so hellbent on him being town but have never offered a substantial and real answer as to why. Finally, an actual response. I'll respond to it in full later, but I'll state that I never said Palmar is town. I just believe him to be town by virtue of you being scum and me not being able to see a team in which the both of you are scum. If you flip town, I will advocate a Palmar lynch. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 23:36 GMT
#4588
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 23:43 GMT
#4591
You two are going to keep pelting reads over about other people. We lynch people you agree on until we win or you fuck up enough times that we have one mislynch left. If that happens, we lynch both of you. It's kinda the same thing as the original plan except we lynch you two at the end now. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 03 2013 23:47 GMT
#4593
That he randomly started pushing BC after Ace flipped 3P is concerning though. I haven't seen his thought process behind it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 00:00 GMT
#4597
On May 04 2013 08:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2013 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a strong townread on Yamato. He also brought up the idea of BC being 3rd party survivor when reading through the case. Seems like he actually thought it through and evaluated it. That he randomly started pushing BC after Ace flipped 3P is concerning though. I haven't seen his thought process behind it. Ace was clearly 3p from an early stage in my books (called him on it like n1 or d2) I figured he was survivor though. Also you have seen the thought process of Palmar and I, we more or less narrowed it to 3 people. One of which (hopeless) I think you can easily understand. Yes, but don't forget Stutters (which you put as null) and TRN (whilst masoning Palmar is ballsy there's something off about a bunch of his posts to me). Getmoript has also played an awful game. How certain are we that the modconfirmed thing is truly modconfirmed? Read both Yamato and Giggles filter. One reads far more prominently townie to me. However I will admit I have had a huge scum read of yamato most of the game to the point I don't think I can seperate myself from it. However thread sentiment / agreement from most major players everyone can agree on were town before they flipped had ace down as likely 3p. I'll reread both filters tomorrow. It's true that everyone had Ace down as 3P, but that wasn't the thing that concerned me. The thing that did concern me was how Yamato changed reads from putting you as 3P to scum when it was incredibly likely that Ace would flip 3P and he knew that, so why did it change? You do raise the point of him pushing me as 3p survivor. Why would Town care which 3p is which? Town has to eliminate the player if they think said player is not town / playing against town win con. As such figuring out which potential 3p is what doesn't matter if they are likely shooting town. Only reason I can see someone caring which 3p someone is is if they are mafia hoping to get someone with night protection lynched to make sure a shot doesn't get blocked. It matters because Survivor can win with town so a survivor doesn't need to be eliminated. A SP/SK does need to be eliminated as it can't win with town. There's no reason to lynch survivor, there is a good reason to lynch SP/SK. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 00:06 GMT
#4599
On May 04 2013 09:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2013 09:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 04 2013 08:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 04 2013 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a strong townread on Yamato. He also brought up the idea of BC being 3rd party survivor when reading through the case. Seems like he actually thought it through and evaluated it. That he randomly started pushing BC after Ace flipped 3P is concerning though. I haven't seen his thought process behind it. Ace was clearly 3p from an early stage in my books (called him on it like n1 or d2) I figured he was survivor though. Also you have seen the thought process of Palmar and I, we more or less narrowed it to 3 people. One of which (hopeless) I think you can easily understand. Yes, but don't forget Stutters (which you put as null) and TRN (whilst masoning Palmar is ballsy there's something off about a bunch of his posts to me). Getmoript has also played an awful game. How certain are we that the modconfirmed thing is truly modconfirmed? Read both Yamato and Giggles filter. One reads far more prominently townie to me. However I will admit I have had a huge scum read of yamato most of the game to the point I don't think I can seperate myself from it. However thread sentiment / agreement from most major players everyone can agree on were town before they flipped had ace down as likely 3p. I'll reread both filters tomorrow. It's true that everyone had Ace down as 3P, but that wasn't the thing that concerned me. The thing that did concern me was how Yamato changed reads from putting you as 3P to scum when it was incredibly likely that Ace would flip 3P and he knew that, so why did it change? You do raise the point of him pushing me as 3p survivor. Why would Town care which 3p is which? Town has to eliminate the player if they think said player is not town / playing against town win con. As such figuring out which potential 3p is what doesn't matter if they are likely shooting town. Only reason I can see someone caring which 3p someone is is if they are mafia hoping to get someone with night protection lynched to make sure a shot doesn't get blocked. It matters because Survivor can win with town so a survivor doesn't need to be eliminated. A SP/SK does need to be eliminated as it can't win with town. There's no reason to lynch survivor, there is a good reason to lynch SP/SK. I honestly cant see gemoript as scum. Marv would have no reason to have a seperate qt with geript if they were scum. They could easily interact via a scum qt just fine. Fair enough. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 00:12 GMT
#4603
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 00:31 GMT
#4606
On May 04 2013 09:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On May 04 2013 09:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is there anyone that still thinks Hopeless is town? I'm guessing this is a scumclaim? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 10:41 GMT
#4611
Additionally, it's likely one of them got shot unless you believe scum doublestacked Vivax, which I have a very hard time seeing to be the case. That, or they hit Ace, but I'd think scum would try to get Ace lynched for town cred in that scenario. The only one who's pushed for Ace's lynch until he was confirmed 3P was Yamato, and he didn't exactly get much support from anyone. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 10:48 GMT
#4613
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 13:08 GMT
#4615
On May 04 2013 21:50 Hopeless1der wrote: so is the conclusion that mafia defensively jailed N2 and didnt claim? It seems likely. First night that vigis can shoot and they had a bunch of inactive players. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 15:59 GMT
#4617
Strong Town WaveOfShadow ObviousOne Getmoript WaveOfShadow didn't start out too impressive but I'm confident in this read right now. Clearly seems to want to figure the game out. I already had a great feel about ObviousOne, and that's only been compounded by the fact that he got confirmed by VE. Getmoript modconfirmed for obvious reasons. Probable Town Palmar Bloodyc0bbler Yamato77 Kushm4sta Weak Town GiggleS TheRavensName Palmar and BC have been talked about enough. I feel fucking awful that I made a long as fuck case on someone I now believe to be town, but on the other hand I'm glad those two finally stepped their game up. If they lead us into a bunch of mislynches in a row you should think about lynching them because it's still possible that one of them is scum, but I just don't think they are with how it's gone down. Yamato has felt town to me all game long, and there's a lot of things that still point towards him being town. The amount of effort he's putting in despite scum being down so much and the fact that he's pushed Hopeless (though this should be reconsidered if Hopeless flips green) so hard and well make me feel fairly comfortable with him. Please don't lynch him unless he does something truly dumb. Kush has done a few things I'd consider to be too dumb to be scum. He's been very impulsive and if he was scum I'd think he'd have slipped up by now. GiggleS hasn't said much, but most of what he's said does appear to come from a town mindset. I don't think he's scum, but it's possible. TRN as Palmar's already stated is probably town for masoning him. I think there's a big chance that scum shot at Palmar on N1, and it wouldn't make sense for scum to both NK and mason him. Even if this wasn't the case, masoning Palmar is a big risk for an inexperienced scum player. Nonetheless, there are things in his filter that worry me. Suggest a closer look at him. Null Stutters695 Bill Murray Sharrant Haven't taken the time to look into BM and Sharrant yet. You guys seem to be fairly certain they're town though so I'll take your words for that. I do not like Sharrant's comeback though. A few of his questions as Yamato pointed out seemed to point towards a scum agenda. Another player you'd want to take a look at. Scum Hopeless1der Enough has been said about him. Just kill him already unless he gives you a really good reason not to. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 16:13 GMT
#4618
Lazy hosts are lazy. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:01 GMT
#4622
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:03 GMT
#4624
If he flips green, I suggest we leave Palmar/BC open for when we have one mislynch left and kill them both then. Honestly, we should solve this game if they're both town before then. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:04 GMT
#4625
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:17 GMT
#4628
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:17 GMT
#4629
On May 05 2013 02:16 GiygaS wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK It sort of does, BC and Palmar are getting in to the game and are starting to analyse. That must be scary for the mafia. I don't think they can win unless BC/Palmar get lynched though, presuming they're both town. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:22 GMT
#4631
On May 05 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK keep in mind we are assuming the jk is town and not a second mafia one. Two scum JK's don't make sense though, because then where did the second hit go on the day Vivax died? I just won't believe scum doublestacks Vivax on N1, especially when they have two roleblockers to block people that they suspect are blue. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:35 GMT
#4637
On May 05 2013 02:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 05 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK keep in mind we are assuming the jk is town and not a second mafia one. Two scum JK's don't make sense though, because then where did the second hit go on the day Vivax died? I just won't believe scum doublestacks Vivax on N1, especially when they have two roleblockers to block people that they suspect are blue. honestly second hit could have been fired at ace and he never claimed it. I wouldnt as third party. It would also explain his constant roleblocking. as town following thread sentiment i would have rb'd people i thought were going to get shot, not someone who i thought was third party every night. In that case, all town has is 2 cops, a paranoid cop and two masoners against a scumteam with at least 2 JK's, a vigilante and a framer. Roleswise that seems pretty damn scum favoured. Just based on balance alone I'd say it's more likely both town and scum have one each. My original thought was that if scum shot Ace, they'd simply claim to have a guilty check on Ace (3rd party shows up as scum) and get the free towncred as well as make sure scum doesn't get lynched that day. Could've worked on both days that scum got lynched. However, I forgot that they could think that they shot a veteran too, so it would be a risk. Thirdly, I don't think they would perma jail Ace if they found out he was third party. Scum was in a bad position. Letting Ace free for one night would make town focus on him again and divert attention away from scumhunting. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:40 GMT
#4641
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:42 GMT
#4643
On May 05 2013 02:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 02:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 05 2013 02:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 05 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 05 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK keep in mind we are assuming the jk is town and not a second mafia one. Two scum JK's don't make sense though, because then where did the second hit go on the day Vivax died? I just won't believe scum doublestacks Vivax on N1, especially when they have two roleblockers to block people that they suspect are blue. honestly second hit could have been fired at ace and he never claimed it. I wouldnt as third party. It would also explain his constant roleblocking. as town following thread sentiment i would have rb'd people i thought were going to get shot, not someone who i thought was third party every night. In that case, all town has is 2 cops, a paranoid cop and two masoners against a scumteam with at least 2 JK's, a vigilante and a framer. Roleswise that seems pretty damn scum favoured. Just based on balance alone I'd say it's more likely both town and scum have one each. My original thought was that if scum shot Ace, they'd simply claim to have a guilty check on Ace (3rd party shows up as scum) and get the free towncred as well as make sure scum doesn't get lynched that day. Could've worked on both days that scum got lynched. However, I forgot that they could think that they shot a veteran too, so it would be a risk. Thirdly, I don't think they would perma jail Ace if they found out he was third party. Scum was in a bad position. Letting Ace free for one night would make town focus on him again and divert attention away from scumhunting. would it make him focus on town though? he was raping the scum team. I agree that the jk could be town but i dont see why a townie would rb last night of all people. when you have confirmed town you could protect. i do find it likely that mafia could have shot him n1 though. i think doublestack on vivax just so unlikely. Because town was far ahead. It'd be likely that Ace would target obvious townies because as 3rd party you don't want one party to get massively ahead. It'd serve his wincon better to aim for town. As town jk you know 100% certain that blocking Ace stops a kill that's probably aimed at town. I don't know why you wouldn't instantly go for that. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:45 GMT
#4646
On May 05 2013 02:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also it is scummy as hell for yamato to try to get the jk to publically claim and risking getting shot. I have something I want to point out about that but I want to see if Yamato points it out first. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:48 GMT
#4648
On May 05 2013 02:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 02:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 05 2013 02:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 05 2013 02:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 05 2013 02:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 05 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 05 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK keep in mind we are assuming the jk is town and not a second mafia one. Two scum JK's don't make sense though, because then where did the second hit go on the day Vivax died? I just won't believe scum doublestacks Vivax on N1, especially when they have two roleblockers to block people that they suspect are blue. honestly second hit could have been fired at ace and he never claimed it. I wouldnt as third party. It would also explain his constant roleblocking. as town following thread sentiment i would have rb'd people i thought were going to get shot, not someone who i thought was third party every night. In that case, all town has is 2 cops, a paranoid cop and two masoners against a scumteam with at least 2 JK's, a vigilante and a framer. Roleswise that seems pretty damn scum favoured. Just based on balance alone I'd say it's more likely both town and scum have one each. My original thought was that if scum shot Ace, they'd simply claim to have a guilty check on Ace (3rd party shows up as scum) and get the free towncred as well as make sure scum doesn't get lynched that day. Could've worked on both days that scum got lynched. However, I forgot that they could think that they shot a veteran too, so it would be a risk. Thirdly, I don't think they would perma jail Ace if they found out he was third party. Scum was in a bad position. Letting Ace free for one night would make town focus on him again and divert attention away from scumhunting. would it make him focus on town though? he was raping the scum team. I agree that the jk could be town but i dont see why a townie would rb last night of all people. when you have confirmed town you could protect. i do find it likely that mafia could have shot him n1 though. i think doublestack on vivax just so unlikely. Because town was far ahead. It'd be likely that Ace would target obvious townies because as 3rd party you don't want one party to get massively ahead. It'd serve his wincon better to aim for town. As town jk you know 100% certain that blocking Ace stops a kill that's probably aimed at town. I don't know why you wouldn't instantly go for that. primarily because off one nights worth of deaths its still really shaky to believe it was sk/sp shot instead of mafia vig or town vig at that point. It comes down to lack of info. id want ace unblocked at least once to confirm the read as poisoner. and ace would obviously shoot at town at night while aiming for mafia during day to avoid the noose. It's a decent point, but this goes for both town and scum JK's. Both of them want to find out if Ace is 3rd party, so that on its own isn't alignment indicative. Ace would do just enough scumhunting to not get lynched. Once it got down to 14-3 or something like that, he really wouldn't want to find any scum, just appear as if he's finding scum. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:56 GMT
#4654
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 17:59 GMT
#4658
He pointed out earlier on that he thought he knew who the JK was. On May 03 2013 03:02 yamato77 wrote: Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is. I don't see any reason for scum to claim to know who the JK is, especially since he didn't try to gain any towncred from saying it himself. I was waiting to see if he brought such a point up, but he hasn't. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 18:13 GMT
#4665
On May 05 2013 03:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 03:09 TheRavensName wrote: I dunno, I think one of the lurkers has to be scum at this point. What happened to Sharrant and Giggles? They look way worse then anyone else to me right now for just how little they are actually doing, followed by stutters and Hopeless. sharrant played a huge role in the clarity lynch didn't he? If i am remembering correctly it would be ballsy as hell to bus your vig costing you two kp in one day When would he have started bussing though? If clarity was already afk for quite some time it could be worth it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 18:20 GMT
#4668
I still want to look into GiygaS and Stutters. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 18:55 GMT
#4669
I checked an older game of GiygaS, L was the first one I found. He was town and got shot N1 in a game with 42 players. Really good D1 with lots of long yet concise posts analyzing a myriad of players. (link) This game, he's done it a few times as well, like here and here. Concise posts, and he shows how his thought process evolves. At first, he doesn't suspect Ace (putting him as null), then rereads and changes his read. It's something he did in his town game as well. I see a lot of similarities, and his play seems to suggest a pro-town agenda. In general, too many similarities for me to consider him scum. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 18:57 GMT
#4670
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 19:37 GMT
#4688
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 19:40 GMT
#4691
On May 05 2013 04:38 Bill Murray wrote: It's not JUST because kush is scum and called him bro I presumed so, so I was expecting you to tell me why. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 19:50 GMT
#4695
I had Hopeless as scum partially because of having town reads on lots of other players. I might've given WoS and Kush town reads too quickly. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 04 2013 23:37 GMT
#4708
On May 05 2013 05:53 TheRavensName wrote: i'm personally not a fan of how Artanis is saying we shouldn't lynch two of the most supicious people in the thread until were at a mislynch and lose. Kinda suggests to me hes scum with one of them/someone unlikely to be lynched and its an easy way to avoid killing them and its a crappy plan to cause a mislynch when at lylo. 1. I'm not saying we wait until MYLO, I'm saying we wait until 1 lynch before M/LYLO so we'll have time to lynch both. 2. I'm pretty much confirmed town to anyone that has read the thread. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 00:13 GMT
#4710
Who did you mason? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 00:52 GMT
#4713
On May 05 2013 09:34 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you want me to reword it to incredibly unlikely to be scum then I'll indulge you. Who did you mason? Why does it matter? It doesn't matter much, just curiosity. GG OO. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 01:24 GMT
#4715
Applications will be reviewed after sleep. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 01:29 GMT
#4716
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 12:15 GMT
#4727
On May 05 2013 20:35 Bill Murray wrote: HMMM I KNOW WHO I WANT TO LYNCH | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 14:23 GMT
#4732
On May 05 2013 23:08 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote: On May 05 2013 14:20 Sharrant wrote: On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote: On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote: Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail. If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred. Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim. Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock. Then how do you explain both of the people roleblocked on night one being alive? Surely if a vet would be considered confirmed town after such an action, the mafia would have had to kill him as quickly as possible, even if they were a mislynch possibility just based on the fact that the jailer could claim. The jailer wouldn't claim until a situation like this, and the chances of the jailer and the scum target both being alive, plus the scum jailer dead at this point in the game are relatively low. All of those things are required for this to be successful. You don't go in to a game, especially on N1 after a mislynch, assuming that your roleblock could somehow later on confirm a townie. You go in trying to stop a cop or a JK from getting off their night actions. It's not that difficult to understand. You're making this far too complicated. It's simple. Town JK roleblocked someone night 1, and he did it trying to protect them. That says nothing about their alignment. Scum used JK on someone night 1 trying to stop a night action, and that makes that person CONFIRMED not mafia. Sharrant kinda brings up a good point though. Why wouldn't they off whoever was protected then? Probably because both of them were far from confirmed town. Both Palmar and BC were under suspicion. On May 05 2013 23:13 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote: On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote: Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail. If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred. Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim. Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock. Scum can withhold their jail thing to claim a roleblock. If they did, they did for a reason. I can't find a plausible reason. Nowhere did you or BC milk town cred out of the RB, unless I missed something. I therefore find it unlikely. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 14:27 GMT
#4734
On May 05 2013 23:26 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2013 23:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 05 2013 23:08 TheRavensName wrote: On May 05 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote: On May 05 2013 14:20 Sharrant wrote: On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote: On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote: Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail. If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred. Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim. Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock. Then how do you explain both of the people roleblocked on night one being alive? Surely if a vet would be considered confirmed town after such an action, the mafia would have had to kill him as quickly as possible, even if they were a mislynch possibility just based on the fact that the jailer could claim. The jailer wouldn't claim until a situation like this, and the chances of the jailer and the scum target both being alive, plus the scum jailer dead at this point in the game are relatively low. All of those things are required for this to be successful. You don't go in to a game, especially on N1 after a mislynch, assuming that your roleblock could somehow later on confirm a townie. You go in trying to stop a cop or a JK from getting off their night actions. It's not that difficult to understand. You're making this far too complicated. It's simple. Town JK roleblocked someone night 1, and he did it trying to protect them. That says nothing about their alignment. Scum used JK on someone night 1 trying to stop a night action, and that makes that person CONFIRMED not mafia. Sharrant kinda brings up a good point though. Why wouldn't they off whoever was protected then? Probably because both of them were far from confirmed town. Both Palmar and BC were under suspicion. On May 05 2013 23:13 Palmar wrote: On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote: On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote: Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail. If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred. Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim. Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock. Scum can withhold their jail thing to claim a roleblock. If they did, they did for a reason. I can't find a plausible reason. Nowhere did you or BC milk town cred out of the RB, unless I missed something. I therefore find it unlikely. Neither have been particularly close to the gallows either, and neither of them are stupid players. But they were constantly people town talked about. Also, there were detectives alive that were a higher priority. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 14:30 GMT
#4735
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 14:42 GMT
#4737
Also an interesting note given Rayn died that day. VE, to Rayn: On April 25 2013 10:22 VisceraEyes wrote: He's asking if you find anyone suspicious that isn't being looked at. On April 25 2013 10:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS, but that's for another day. Scrolling through the day there were a bunch of people that were suspicious of BC. Yamato and Mr. CC both said they didn't like him. That, and the two votes on Palmar leads me to believe there's a plausible reason for scum not to shoot either. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 18:18 GMT
#4750
I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 18:20 GMT
#4751
Also On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote: You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another. What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions. Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 18:34 GMT
#4753
On May 06 2013 03:31 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good. Also On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote: You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another. What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions. Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up. Do you think he's fake claiming cop, or do you think he is a cop? I don't know. But what worries me is that even if it's a fakeclaim and he's scum, why would he say he didn't check anyone? He could've said he checked Hopeless or whoever and got red. There's no risk in that and it'd 'prove' he's paranoid and that his check means nothing. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 18:39 GMT
#4755
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 18:42 GMT
#4760
On May 06 2013 03:41 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls. I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them. HOW THE FUCK is BLUE BAITING SAVING EITHER OF THEM? It's not baiting, it's outright asking for a claim. I'm not trying to hide anything. Unless scum held their RB N1 or RBed one of their own (both of which I highly doubt) it'd confirm the one between Palmar/BC who isn't scum. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 22:07 GMT
#4783
On April 29 2013 02:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. The only way I am comfortable with him not dying is if he seriously steps up and plays solidly and gives me a reason to think of him as a miller and not confirmed scum. You have barely mentioned him since then. What gives? What's your current read on him? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 22:10 GMT
#4785
Also, regardless of what BC flips I will not support a Yamato lynch. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 22:16 GMT
#4787
On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 05 2013 22:20 GMT
#4788
WaveOfShadow, where are thee? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 07:59 GMT
#4827
I'm lost. Yamato, BM, geript, tell me what to do. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:08 GMT
#4831
I don't like lynching GiggleS at the moment, but I'd be happy to pressure Stutters for a bit. With Palmar I want him to check WoS since if he's insane and not paranoid he'll get a green check on him regardless, so we'll be certain of his alignment presuming it's legit. If he gets red we can always off him then. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:10 GMT
#4833
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:11 GMT
#4834
On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:11 GMT
#4835
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:15 GMT
#4837
On May 06 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive. I'd rather just lynch him. We can choose for him whom he has to check. If he refuses, we lynch him. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:20 GMT
#4840
1. Palmar is a Paranoid cop. He'll check WoS and see him as red too. When Palmar flips, we'll know it doesn't mean anything regarding BC's alignment. 2. Palmar is an Insane cop. We'll know that BC is town or godfather. Given we know we have at least two millers (presuming WoS is speaking the truth) and a framer, I'd say it's unlikely BC is in fact godfather. I'd be inclined to believe he's town. 3. Palmar is a scum fakeclaiming a red check on WoS. Basically claiming Paranoid cop, it means the reason for him still being alive is gone and he'll be treated as any other townie would. No reason to spare him anymore, so this'll delay us one day at most. 4. Palmar is a scum fakeclaiming a green check on WoS. For as long as we'd like, we can force Palmar to give us alignments of any suspect we desire. If at any point the guy flips a different alignment than Palmar said he would, we lynch him. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:30 GMT
#4842
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:32 GMT
#4843
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 08:36 GMT
#4845
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 09:25 GMT
#4849
On May 06 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote: Are you scum with Palmar, Artanis? Now I'm going to have to ask you if you're not reading the thread. On May 06 2013 18:21 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 17:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With that I meant that I consider you three pretty strongly town, not that I suspect any of you. Geript because of the marvkill, and Yamato because I really don't see how he could've held this kind of activity and care this much as scum with a scumteam including at least 3 inactives. I don't like lynching GiggleS at the moment, but I'd be happy to pressure Stutters for a bit. With Palmar I want him to check WoS since if he's insane and not paranoid he'll get a green check on him regardless, so we'll be certain of his alignment presuming it's legit. If he gets red we can always off him then. Why do you see me as town? I realized what you meant, but I know you knew you didn't have to explain that to me. We are pretty much on the same page, from what I have read from you... I didn't really think Drazak was scum, even when I made a weak little case on him - I was just wanting to pressure your slot. That's where you replaced into, right? Because you're putting new ideas into the thread. We were stuck on Palmar/BC/Hopeless for a while and you brought in new suspects. If you were scum I'd have expected you to not stick your neck out this much. You are trying to figure out the game. I figured I'd just state that since it seemed like you were giving a read on Yamato and Geript, so I thought you might've misunderstood me. I replaced into Drazak, yes. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 09:30 GMT
#4854
On May 06 2013 18:23 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. not necessarily true considering malfoy could have muffed his earlier checks to have him thinking that, but i don't want to be overgeneral Fair point. I don't feel like BC was highly contended though and with Clarity and Shiao flying around as low hanging fruit I'd say they were more likely to get framed to make them appear town to checks. I won't discount the option, though. Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote: On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive. I'd rather just lynch him. seems like yamato is bussing palmar here? he says "he knows everyones alignment" like he's 100% perhaps yamato is just scumhunter 2013 champion, though. haha Yamato gonna yamato. Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 17:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 06 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote: On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote: If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check. If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check. If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check. The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive. I'd rather just lynch him. We can choose for him whom he has to check. If he refuses, we lynch him. has he checked giygas? No. I want him to check WoS first though since it'll make 100% sure whether he's insane or paranoid as WoS is either miller or scum. After that, if he gets a green check I'd like to see him check Stutters first, tbh. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 09:32 GMT
#4855
On May 06 2013 18:28 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2013 18:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 06 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote: Are you scum with Palmar, Artanis? Now I'm going to have to ask you if you're not reading the thread. On May 06 2013 18:21 Bill Murray wrote: On May 06 2013 17:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: With that I meant that I consider you three pretty strongly town, not that I suspect any of you. Geript because of the marvkill, and Yamato because I really don't see how he could've held this kind of activity and care this much as scum with a scumteam including at least 3 inactives. I don't like lynching GiggleS at the moment, but I'd be happy to pressure Stutters for a bit. With Palmar I want him to check WoS since if he's insane and not paranoid he'll get a green check on him regardless, so we'll be certain of his alignment presuming it's legit. If he gets red we can always off him then. Why do you see me as town? I realized what you meant, but I know you knew you didn't have to explain that to me. We are pretty much on the same page, from what I have read from you... I didn't really think Drazak was scum, even when I made a weak little case on him - I was just wanting to pressure your slot. That's where you replaced into, right? Because you're putting new ideas into the thread. We were stuck on Palmar/BC/Hopeless for a while and you brought in new suspects. If you were scum I'd have expected you to not stick your neck out this much. You are trying to figure out the game. I figured I'd just state that since it seemed like you were giving a read on Yamato and Geript, so I thought you might've misunderstood me. I replaced into Drazak, yes. What do you think about Palmar checking GiygaS? Breath of fresh air from Drazak - you've been really helpful. Can we not lynch BC today, though? We need to have him making cases on people I think GiggleS is town. On May 05 2013 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: GiygaS was on Shiao and Clarity pretty early too. It makes me wonder if we're putting too much weight on potential bussing. They could've pulled a Boardwalk. I checked an older game of GiygaS, L was the first one I found. He was town and got shot N1 in a game with 42 players. Really good D1 with lots of long yet concise posts analyzing a myriad of players. (link) This game, he's done it a few times as well, like here and here. Concise posts, and he shows how his thought process evolves. At first, he doesn't suspect Ace (putting him as null), then rereads and changes his read. It's something he did in his town game as well. I see a lot of similarities, and his play seems to suggest a pro-town agenda. In general, too many similarities for me to consider him scum. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 11:10 GMT
#4859
WoS What does confuse me is why WoS ragequit for a few days when people started believing him. When he was suspected, he posted a decent bit to defend himself. Fast forward to people no longer discussing him and he goes afk. Brought up again and now he's back, mostly to defend himself. Says the Yamato case on one of BC/Palmar being confirmed town due to JK thing makes sense but he doesn't actually give his own stance. He could be a frustrated townie, but frustrated scum makes just as much sense. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 13:20 GMT
#4864
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 14:07 GMT
#4872
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 16:05 GMT
#4879
On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote: @Palmar I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles. I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written. I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think. There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such: Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then. Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC) Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks. I really don't think I want to lynch Yamato, even if Hopeless flips town. I'm very confident in my town read on him. If people really want to lynch him after I'll reread his filter though. GiggleS I think is town too, but my read is weaker on him. Why do you want GiggleS offed when Hopeless flips scum? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 16:36 GMT
#4883
On May 07 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 00:53 Sharrant wrote: On May 06 2013 23:47 TheRavensName wrote: On May 06 2013 23:39 Sharrant wrote: @Palmar I liked the exchange between you and BC over the night; I think the reason you're finding his contributions suspicious is because of a difference in play styles. I think BC just doesn't like to write things out, he said as much earlier in the game. You're both under the pressure of a lynch, so you go out of your way to back everything up with quotes and try to make it look good. He seems to be relying on his cred as a veteran, and the fact that when he flips people will know he's not lying about what he's written. I want both of you alive for at least a cycle. I'm happy to lynch into the little list you guys came up with, it matches up for the most part with my thoughts with a few key differences, but they're fairly subjective I think. There's a few divergent scenarios, but I think the most basic formula for our chain of lynches is such: Dammit. I made beautiful tree diagrams but the TL site doesn't support that kind of formatting. I'll write it out as direct chains then. Hopeless(town)->Yamato(town)->Palmar->BC Hopeless(town)->Yamato(scum)->(unsure, this chain I'm least sure if I'd lynch another person before Palmar/BC) Hopeless(scum)->giygas(scum)->gg Hopeless(scum)->giygas(town)->unsure(town)->Palmar->BC Just a basic idea of what I think we should do, I'm open for discussion on it, and it would obviously be reevaluated after the nks. Quick question about this chain. Why is Hopeless first if your vote is on Yamato? I was in a rush to get ready. On May 07 2013 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember thinking right before I went to bed last night that I had the game solved but now I can't remember why. Fuck. I do know one thing: there are at least a couple people here sitting on vital information right now and while I partially know what's going on, I don't know if I know the whole story, so I won't say much other than personally I feel it's probably best if the people sitting on info reveal said info---it will really make the game a whole lot easier. Not to say we can't win without it, I just don't personally see the reason it's being held back. Now with that being said I'll reveal what I know for sure. TRN masoned me the night before. We are not masoned currently. I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum, though I am unsure as to what he thinks of me and am not quite sure why he attempted to grill me before. On May 06 2013 20:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I want to postpone all BC/Palmar related activities until tomorrow. We know one of them is town for neigh certain. That means there's at least one scummer whose name isn't BC/Palmar. I like BM's suggestion of giving you two a bit of breathing room. Stop defending yourselves, find scum. WoS What does confuse me is why WoS ragequit for a few days when people started believing him. When he was suspected, he posted a decent bit to defend himself. Fast forward to people no longer discussing him and he goes afk. Brought up again and now he's back, mostly to defend himself. Says the Yamato case on one of BC/Palmar being confirmed town due to JK thing makes sense but he doesn't actually give his own stance. He could be a frustrated townie, but frustrated scum makes just as much sense. People no loner discussing me lol. I was extremely active up until 2 days ago and people stopped discussing me LONG before that if you'd read. I was frustrated for reasons I'm not necessarily comfortable divulging, however there are things that have led me to believe that Palmar is scum. I am curious as to what leaving im alive actually accomplishes, and why Sharrant no longer appears to want to lynch him. I'm not sure where you get that I no longer want to lynch him. You'll notice that every scenario I posted that doesn't end in us killing scum in the next 2 lynches then goes on to lynching him, and if we kill scum in one of those two lynches, it only moves lynching Palmar back by one lynch. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that instead of just not reading the thread, you meant that it appears I no longer want to lynch him today. And yes, that is correct. If he's not scum, then scum now know that there's a very real possibility that he is an insane detective and will most likely be forced to shoot him. If he is scum, we've still got another person who is much less obvious to lynch than him and I'd rather go after them. If he's still around after two night cycles, and we haven't lynched a scum, then it's time to lynch Palmar. Alright, but then you're assuming that Palmar does what you want him to do, which he's already proven that he will not by not following Ace's plan. (I am well aware that Ace was 3p, but the agreement at the time was that all 3 dts were supposed to check each other IIRC, and Palmar was the only one who did not adhere---I believe at the time the plan was made we were supposed to lynch him if he did that?) I honestly don't know how you can be sure of anything Palmar has done or will do; it seems as though all he has been doing all game is buying himself time, which we have given him over and over again. It's very simple. If he doesn't check you, we lynch him. Back then people didn't _really_ want to lynch Palmar, now people are frothing at the mouth to do so. He will check you and confirm whether he's insane or paranoid. If he's scum it's a lose/lose situation for him. Either he claims insane and confirms BC and can't push him anymore, or he claims paranoid and knows that he no longer has any inherent advantage over BC in the lynching order. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 16:40 GMT
#4885
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 16:51 GMT
#4887
On May 07 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: He's the only person besides Hopeless, and perhaps you, that I would consider mafia. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 16:57 GMT
#4891
On May 07 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote: Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment. He claims to have an information role. I wish for him to live another day to acquire said information. ...this is scummy how? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 16:58 GMT
#4893
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 17:04 GMT
#4899
On May 07 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 07 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote: Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment. He claims to have an information role. I wish for him to live another day to acquire said information. ...this is scummy how? Because the information it supposedly gains us is only useful if he's town, and it's not even necessarily that useful in the first place. Yes, and there's no downside to letting him live for a day more to have a practically confirmed BC in case he IS town. When Palmar flips and he flips green BC is in a whole lotta shit. If we confirm he's insane and not paranoid and he flips cop then we might not actually end up killing BC, saving us a potential mislynch. On May 07 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if I'm scum with Palmar why the hell would I want you off the table when Hopeless flips town? So you look good when everyone else decides to lynch me? Fair point, but I won't let you get lynched. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 17:05 GMT
#4900
On May 07 2013 02:02 Palmar wrote: Hell, from before the shenanigans you actually wrote that it's more likely that BC is scum than me, then you somehow flip that around based on nothing, I suppose, to an unholy crusade wanting to lynch me today. I'm pretty sure I know why, actually. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 17:08 GMT
#4903
On May 07 2013 02:07 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 07 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote: On May 07 2013 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 07 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote: Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment. He claims to have an information role. I wish for him to live another day to acquire said information. ...this is scummy how? Because the information it supposedly gains us is only useful if he's town, and it's not even necessarily that useful in the first place. Yes, and there's no downside to letting him live for a day more to have a practically confirmed BC in case he IS town. When Palmar flips and he flips green BC is in a whole lotta shit. If we confirm he's insane and not paranoid and he flips cop then we might not actually end up killing BC, saving us a potential mislynch. On May 07 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote: On May 07 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if I'm scum with Palmar why the hell would I want you off the table when Hopeless flips town? So you look good when everyone else decides to lynch me? Fair point, but I won't let you get lynched. I'll have to mull it over. I guess I'm fine with killing off Hopeless today, but something feels off about the lynch. I don't like how everyone has now invented desire to lynch Hopeless. It might just be that Hopeless has given up and given permission to the other scum to bus him. He did sound fairly defeatist earlier. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 18:58 GMT
#4919
On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote: Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis: Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town. I brought this up earlier. Scum doesn't know Ace is 3rd party for sure though. It could be a veteran too. Also, there is someone that pushed Ace. Yamato kept bringing Ace to the table. I already talked about this scenario before though. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 06 2013 21:45 GMT
#4933
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 06:49 GMT
#5076
On May 07 2013 15:27 Bill Murray wrote: anyone home? Just caught up, sup? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 07:08 GMT
#5077
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 07:30 GMT
#5079
On May 07 2013 16:28 yamato77 wrote: Any comment on today's bullshit, Artanis? BC tunneling you, not much surprise there. Don't actually have much time atm, will comment more after work. Will policy lynch anyone that hammers you before I get the chance to comment. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 07:40 GMT
#5080
On May 03 2013 03:02 yamato77 wrote: Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is. /working 4realz | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 07:42 GMT
#5081
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 15:55 GMT
#5092
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 15:59 GMT
#5094
On May 07 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 16:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh what I did want to bring up was that Yamato claimed to know who he thought the JK was. There's no reason for him to bring that up if he's scum, it felt like a genuine passing comment, and one I don't think he would've made if he were scum. On May 03 2013 03:02 yamato77 wrote: Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is. /working 4realz why? This is null to scum tell. Town has no real reason to look for the jk. Figuring out who it is they might do, but have no reason for ever saying so in thread as merely saying it could lead to mafia going "shit breadcrumbs are there" only a mafia has reason to say it. Then if they dont hit said jk you can pull the "obviously im not mafia cause i know who the jk is" seriously this is a terrible reason to defend someone artanis They do if they think it leads to confirmed town. I happened to notice Mr.CC being blue even though I wasn't looking for one. I just saw obvious signs that led to that conclusion. I can easily understand how he came to this conclusion. I'm not saying it's a smart thing for a town player to say. I'm saying I don't think scum would make it. If that was the reason and he's scum, then why didn't he use it? He never brought it up until I did. That's why I wanted to wait earlier, but he didn't bring it up. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 16:01 GMT
#5095
On May 07 2013 23:04 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 16:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh what I did want to bring up was that Yamato claimed to know who he thought the JK was. There's no reason for him to bring that up if he's scum, it felt like a genuine passing comment, and one I don't think he would've made if he were scum. On May 03 2013 03:02 yamato77 wrote: Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is. /working 4realz Yes there is. Its a good way for us to think hes town because otherwise he'd have shot him (we have no garantee he didn't think OO was the jailer.) and as long as he threatened to out the jailer he would be able to feel safe because I don't think many people want to trade the jailer. But that's not how it went at all. It got buried in his posts and he didn't bring it up in a way to take credit from it. He's lucky that I happened to bring it up, but there is no clear scum agenda behind it, because he never used it. I was the first person to point it out. It'd only make sense if I were scum with Yamato and this was a preconceived plan. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 16:14 GMT
#5099
On May 08 2013 01:12 Palmar wrote: Maybe geript is scum and BH is trolling us That'd be painful. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 18:45 GMT
#5105
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 19:51 GMT
#5112
On May 08 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey look guise. LOOK I CAN PUT GIFS TOO | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 07 2013 22:35 GMT
#5115
On May 08 2013 07:08 kushm4sta wrote: it was lolz to kill him though because yamato was the towniest person in this game. I really want you to die now. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 07:21 GMT
#5146
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 07:28 GMT
#5148
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 08:25 GMT
#5149
On May 08 2013 14:27 Bill Murray wrote: giggles "thinks" palmar is town too afraid to commit a jeep tell? Artanis is town. There. Happy? Does that make me scum? No, it does not. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 10:17 GMT
#5153
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 13:22 GMT
#5158
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 16:56 GMT
#5168
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 17:19 GMT
#5171
On May 09 2013 02:13 Palmar wrote: man i look so townie now it's amazing You do? I just see a bunch of alignment unindicative town advice. Something you could easily do as scum too. The only real townie point it gave you was that you put in a bunch of effort into it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 18:45 GMT
#5179
Palmar, result of check? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 18:49 GMT
#5182
Do you still suspect BC given the flip? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 18:51 GMT
#5184
On May 09 2013 03:50 Palmar wrote: I'm not sure, I need to make more reads. I can tell you who I think should not be considered... if you think that helps? Well, you're on my list of people who should be considered, so do go ahead. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:00 GMT
#5188
On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:03 GMT
#5190
On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:07 GMT
#5193
On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:11 GMT
#5198
On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?' A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Could just be a demotivated geript that was looking forward to being shadowed by marv only to get bullshit his way. It's worth looking into his filter though. On May 09 2013 04:08 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 04:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote: On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. That's entirely up to you, I just don't want the progress of discussion to be hindered waiting on what I have to say. Even if you think I'm scum, does it look like I've been saying things and giving opinions to please people this game? You haven't been in serious risk of lynching yet. You probably will be today. The past is no guarantee of the future. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:17 GMT
#5200
On May 09 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote: re: you versus yamato The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive. I think I summarized it well with this question: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote: On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote: So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar. So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. to which he responded: Show nested quote + On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote: I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. And that just set me off. Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you still don't know. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:22 GMT
#5204
On May 09 2013 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?' A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Could just be a demotivated geript that was looking forward to being shadowed by marv only to get bullshit his way. It's worth looking into his filter though. On May 09 2013 04:08 Palmar wrote: On May 09 2013 04:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote: On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. That's entirely up to you, I just don't want the progress of discussion to be hindered waiting on what I have to say. Even if you think I'm scum, does it look like I've been saying things and giving opinions to please people this game? You haven't been in serious risk of lynching yet. You probably will be today. The past is no guarantee of the future. I disagree with this and as such will reserve judgment for now. As per you not wanting to answer my question, note that in any game that Palmar/Ace/BC etc play in, it has become part of their metas (misuse of the word here but fk it baylife) to die early since as idenitifed strong players, the only reasons mafia would not have shot them is because they ARE mafia. For Ace it's likely he was shot by mafia but BC/Palmar are very curious this game. If Plmar has been telling the truth this whole game then leaving him up as juicy lynchbait because of his play was probably the correct play for mafia, especially since he has not shown himself to be much of a threat this game. BC is another story though, I would argue his play has been stronger, and he has taken credit for a few scum kills already. Again just spouting stuff while waiting so as not to stagnate discussion. I'm not saying it's the most likely conclusion. I haven't really paid attention to his filter at all as I've treated him as confirmed town. I'm just saying it's plausible, but his filter should be the determining thing. As for the Palmar/BC thing, other than N2 I see no time where scum would have the chance to shoot them. N1 they might've given they both got jailed, N3/N4 they had detectives to take care of (Palmar's claim was the least believed so the others needed to be taken care of first) and by N5 it looked extremely likely one of them would get lynched so shooting them would be silly. If none of Palmar/BC are scum, then N2 and in specific Rayn's filter should give us direction. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:23 GMT
#5205
On May 09 2013 04:22 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 04:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote: re: you versus yamato The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive. I think I summarized it well with this question: On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote: On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote: So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar. So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. to which he responded: On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote: I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. And that just set me off. Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you still don't know. Don't understand this post, why am I dumb? Read the posts between those two posts of Yamato. Look at who flipped and what his role is. Realize why Yamato 180'd ??? Profit!! | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:28 GMT
#5207
On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 19:35 GMT
#5212
On May 09 2013 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had. But see that;s the thing, right? As far as Rayn being the smartest....after seeing his play in ego I feel I'm biased as to the alternative. Can someone explain? That's why there's two options to me. Either you and/or maybe GiygaS is scum, or one of BC/Palmar is scum. I think any alternatives are unlikely given the N2 scum shot. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 20:29 GMT
#5223
On May 09 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I remember thinking it was about JK at the time he said so (and didn't want to say anything just in case anyone else didn't notice he basically outed himself) but of course with him dead we can't confirm shit. What was the basis again for the argument that one of you was scum based on RB targets? This game is too fucking long. Nothing can hit scum N1 except a SK. Positives of blocking a townie far outweigh defensive RB/withholding it. It was never used for any cred. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 20:35 GMT
#5225
On May 09 2013 05:32 Palmar wrote: and you agree that sharrant almost certainly jailed me n1 artanis? Yes. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 20:50 GMT
#5227
On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote: in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false? There was an hour gap between claiming you got roleblocked and the first mention that you might've been shot. Plenty of time to think about it, and that you bring it up actually means yoou | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 20:50 GMT
#5228
On May 09 2013 05:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote: in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false? There was an hour gap between claiming you got roleblocked and the first mention that you might've been shot. Plenty of time to think about it, and that you bring it up actually means you might've thought about it. Therefore I wouldn't say it means much. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 21:07 GMT
#5232
On May 09 2013 06:04 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote: in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false? Yes. Your the only one who milkde the protection from gunshot. So either someone else was shot and didn't want to say anything, like ace, or bc was shot and you decided to milk it for the cred. Its not out of the realm of possibility. And it makes sense that he gambled on BC playing along with their one two pelting reads at one another after they both 'agreed' to have both lynched. It was the best plan to stay alive, since anything else was a guaranteed one for one. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 21:08 GMT
#5233
##Vote: Palmar | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 21:34 GMT
#5235
On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected. ##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 21:44 GMT
#5239
On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 21:46 GMT
#5240
On May 09 2013 06:44 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected. ##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely. Do you want to lynch me based on two factors that are completely out of my control? One, or all of these thought processes must be true, based on your post here: Sharrant jailed Palmar -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar rolled paranoid cop -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar wrote a post defending himself -> Therefore Palmar must be scum I don't know what in particular I need to say to you to explain why you're wrong, but you please provide something for me to respond to if you want to call me scum. You're scum because you're more interested in your own survival than in actually finding scum. The best way to get my vote off of you is to find a better target. You've spent enough time defending yourself, I'd rather you spent that time reading filters of people you find suspicious. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 21:48 GMT
#5244
On May 09 2013 06:47 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. Is staying alive only the objective of mafia? The main objective of town is to find scum, not to stay alive. The main objective of scum is to stay alive. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 21:49 GMT
#5245
On May 09 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. .....you're kidding me right? I've been saying this shit for days. DAYS. We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before. No, because IF he is town then the information from his check on you could prove invaluable. Or at least I thought so when I wasn't sure Sharrant was JK. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:05 GMT
#5258
On May 09 2013 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not defending Palmar here because it may very well be that I'd like to see him swing, but your reasoning as to why he's scummy NOW and not yesterday or the day before is terrible. How is it he hasn't been scumhunting? Because he hasn't scumhunted over the first few hours of the day? What about his push of Yamato? Was that not scumhunting? I'm really curious as to your train of thought. No it isn't. Pushing him yesterday would only be the correct move if I was near 100% certain. That's far from as certain as I was and am. If we flipped him yesterday and he was town, it'd tell us nothing. If he got a green check on you, we'd know BC was checked innocent (not that we still need it, but that only became public knowledge when it was too late) I actually hadn't realized he spearheaded the Yamato lynch. BC was in my head for that since he's been singing that tune for a bit longer. I guess that teaches me I should pay more attention. On May 09 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 06:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. .....you're kidding me right? I've been saying this shit for days. DAYS. We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before. No, because IF he is town then the information from his check on you could prove invaluable. Or at least I thought so when I wasn't sure Sharrant was JK. What? If he ACTUALLY is a town paranoid cop, what do we learn from the check? ....am I honestly a fucking moron or am I missing something here? We don't learn anything. This is correct, but it's worth the chance in case he IS an insane cop. By waiting a day, we found out he's either a paranoid cop or a fraud. On May 09 2013 06:53 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 06:47 Palmar wrote: On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. Is staying alive only the objective of mafia? The main objective of town is to find scum, not to stay alive. The main objective of scum is to stay alive. Part of lynching scum is to not get lynched as town right? That removes one potential candidate from the pool. Would you say I have not scumhunted this game? I consider both parts equal. If every town player makes sure he doesn't get lynched then the game is quite easy, right? I'd say you've yelled for VE to be lynched without much reasoning, then yelled for BC to get lynched without much reasoning until OO and I came in and made the case for you. The only person you've truly gotten lynched is Yamato, and you started backtracking before he hammered himself, and your case on him rested on your supposed poor reading comprehension. I really find it difficult to believe that something WoS and I saw and understood fairly quickly went past you for this long. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:13 GMT
#5263
On May 09 2013 07:11 Palmar wrote: I misunderstood your post to mean you were telling me that my scumhunting was pointless because I was a suspect. I'm helping everyone by establishing my innocence. I hate being called scum with no reasoning and it massively (see: yamato) distracts my scumhunting. If you think what you're doing now will help establish your innocence better than scumhunting I think you're a lot worse at this game then you think. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:19 GMT
#5269
On May 09 2013 07:18 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 07:11 Palmar wrote: I misunderstood your post to mean you were telling me that my scumhunting was pointless because I was a suspect. I'm helping everyone by establishing my innocence. I hate being called scum with no reasoning and it massively (see: yamato) distracts my scumhunting. If you think what you're doing now will help establish your innocence better than scumhunting I think you're a lot worse at this game then you think. I have admitted it a million times, it basically disrupts me extremely hard when people call me scum for no reason. This is not the first game I say this. Take your vote off me, tell me I'm a unique little flower (and town), work with me, criticize my list from the point of view that I'm town. That's how you can get me scumhunting. You called my plan extremely dumb so no can do, I'm going to tunnel you the rest of the game now because my feelings are hurt | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:20 GMT
#5272
On May 09 2013 07:19 Blazinghand wrote: Sutters695 the brave wizard has been modkilled for inactivity please leave all discussions of modkills for the postgame Welp, there goes one potential mislynch. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:23 GMT
#5274
On May 09 2013 07:20 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 07:18 Palmar wrote: On May 09 2013 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 07:11 Palmar wrote: I misunderstood your post to mean you were telling me that my scumhunting was pointless because I was a suspect. I'm helping everyone by establishing my innocence. I hate being called scum with no reasoning and it massively (see: yamato) distracts my scumhunting. If you think what you're doing now will help establish your innocence better than scumhunting I think you're a lot worse at this game then you think. I have admitted it a million times, it basically disrupts me extremely hard when people call me scum for no reason. This is not the first game I say this. Take your vote off me, tell me I'm a unique little flower (and town), work with me, criticize my list from the point of view that I'm town. That's how you can get me scumhunting. You called my plan extremely dumb so no can do, I'm going to tunnel you the rest of the game now because my feelings are hurt Ok assume for a second I actually AM paranoid cop. Is there then no option in your plan other than to autolynch a townie because that's the brilliance of your plan? It was never meant to be a 100% town or scum thing, I just think it's more likely you would fakeclaim paranoid cop than fakeclaim insane cop should you roll scum, because the latter is riskier unless you're willing to bus teammates. Say if you're Town, there's a 50% chance you're insane and 50% you're paranoid. Say you claim to be paranoid 80% of the time as scum. This means the likeliness of you being scum when you claim paranoid increases significantly. It doesn't prove anything, just increases the probability. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:28 GMT
#5280
On May 09 2013 07:26 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I shouldn't put Jigglypuff in the same category as BM. I know BM isn't scum. Why do you know BM isn't scum? I agree, I just want to know your thought process. Why do you want to know the thought process of a strong town read on a strong town read that you agree with? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:33 GMT
#5287
On May 09 2013 07:29 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2013 07:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 09 2013 07:26 Palmar wrote: On May 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I shouldn't put Jigglypuff in the same category as BM. I know BM isn't scum. Why do you know BM isn't scum? I agree, I just want to know your thought process. Why do you want to know the thought process of a strong town read on a strong town read that you agree with? Because why not? Maybe WoS knows something I don't know and it can help me understand the game. Maybe BM made a good post I've missed (I've basically disregarded BM since this post of mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18481428) Because you've already got a strong town read on him, as does pretty much the entire thread so all it'd do is clutter up the thread. On May 09 2013 07:30 Palmar wrote: More importantly, Yamato and WoS both seem to share an unexplained town read on GiygaS. Can someone enlighten me? Dunno why they did, but this was my read on him. On May 05 2013 03:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: GiygaS was on Shiao and Clarity pretty early too. It makes me wonder if we're putting too much weight on potential bussing. They could've pulled a Boardwalk. I checked an older game of GiygaS, L was the first one I found. He was town and got shot N1 in a game with 42 players. Really good D1 with lots of long yet concise posts analyzing a myriad of players. (link) This game, he's done it a few times as well, like here and here. Concise posts, and he shows how his thought process evolves. At first, he doesn't suspect Ace (putting him as null), then rereads and changes his read. It's something he did in his town game as well. I see a lot of similarities, and his play seems to suggest a pro-town agenda. In general, too many similarities for me to consider him scum. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 22:35 GMT
#5291
On May 09 2013 07:34 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys. Catching up now. I don't think you need to bother m8 On May 09 2013 07:19 Blazinghand wrote: Sutters695 the brave wizard has been modkilled for inactivity please leave all discussions of modkills for the postgame | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 23:31 GMT
#5304
+ Show Spoiler [D1 votes] + Oatsmaster: Hopeless1der: Bill Murray: Getmoript: TheRavensName: Raynpelikoneet: Sharrant, Ace: Sharrant: Yamato: VisceraEyes: GiygaS: Bloodyc0bbler: Yamato (1) + Show Spoiler [D2 votes] + [QUOTE]On April 27 2013 21:07 Ange777 wrote: VisceraEyes (1): Kushm4sta: (0) GiygaS (0): Palmar (0): ShiaoPi (6): Clarity_nl (12): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, Stutters695 (0): Ace (0): yamato77 (0): Sharrant (0): WaveofShadow (0): + Show Spoiler [D3 votes] + Yamato77 (1): BC Sylencia (11): Mr.CC, Palmar, Sharrant, Yamato77, GiygaS, Ace, BM, VE, OO, Getmoript, TRN ShiaoPi (1): WoS + Show Spoiler [D4 votes] + ShiaoPi (10): Ace, VisceraEyes, getmoript, Palmar, Bill Murray, BloodyC0bbler, Hopeless1der, Sharrant, GiygaS, ShiaoPi stutters(1): Palmar(1): TheRavensName + Show Spoiler [D5 votes] + Yamato77: (1) Hopeless1der: (3) Palmar: (0) BloodyCobbler: (1) Ace: (9) Hopeless1der, Artanis[Xp], ObviousOne, TheRavensName, Palmar, Stutters695,WaveofShadow, getmoript, Sharrant + Show Spoiler [D6 votes] + Hopeless1der: (2) Palmar: (2) Bill Murray, BloodyC0bbler: (0) Yamato: (7) | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 23:35 GMT
#5306
On May 09 2013 08:34 kushm4sta wrote: you are good at it artanis why not you do it Because I just made it into a nice and orderly post and that took me half an hour which is half an hour longer than it took you to write this post so no u | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 23:41 GMT
#5308
On May 09 2013 08:36 kushm4sta wrote: also I don't get why palmar thinks BC is town.. anyone want to post me to the post where that is explained? I'm guessing it has something to do with game mechanics. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 23:53 GMT
#5310
On May 09 2013 08:53 kushm4sta wrote: wtf do you expect me to do artanis... To read the thread. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 08 2013 23:57 GMT
#5313
On May 09 2013 08:56 kushm4sta wrote: read all 266 pages of the thread lol? can you save me 10 hours and just say in like 2 sentences why bc is town? Given it's a recent development and we've discussed it at length since night ended, I don't think I'm asking for too much here. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 09 2013 11:26 GMT
#5332
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 09 2013 13:37 GMT
#5338
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 09 2013 17:53 GMT
#5363
I wish we heard more from others though. BM, BC, TRN and geript especially. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 09 2013 18:02 GMT
#5365
Current list of players I would carpet bomb Palmar Hopeless1der Getmoript TRN I kinda wanna put Kush in there too but I'm not sure who to swap out for it. Maybe TRN. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 09 2013 21:59 GMT
#5416
On May 10 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I'm eventually have to side with Artanis despite all my reading and just carpet-bomb the fuck out of that list. This makes me happy I decided not to put in the effort :z | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 14:33 GMT
#5464
Off to Hopeless we go. ##Unvote ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 14:34 GMT
#5466
On May 10 2013 23:30 kushm4sta wrote: Also artanis slot is off the table IMO for how drazak acted before he asked for a replacement. I think scum drazak would have just tried to afk it up instead of ask for a replacement. With all I've posted that's why I'm town? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 15:22 GMT
#5480
On May 11 2013 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Artanis, if Hopeless goes down today and flips town, what is our next course of action? It seems people will want to look into Gigs.... Currently I'd like to flip Geript after. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 19:10 GMT
#5502
On May 11 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: P.S. kill me or giggles please. Can we kill me instead so I don't have to try to figure the game out anymore? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 19:15 GMT
#5503
On May 11 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote: Also do you guys believe in balance? I do. And what that means is even though hosts like you to think scumteams are random, they aren't. A scumteam in a big game like this is never full of newbies. According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum. This is not true whatsoever. Hosts all balance differently and perceive player skill completely differently than other people do. Keep in mind Bill Murray is as experienced if not more so than myself and has been playing for just as long pretty well. He is more experienced likely than Palmar. Yet is completely ignored and overall has done nothing this game. I have no idea why you are trying to lynch Palmar off setup speculation. If we did shit based off that I would be lynching BM and TRN right now. Outside of speculation, do you think BM is scum? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 20:30 GMT
#5507
On May 11 2013 05:09 Palmar wrote: can't we just take a page of out Axle's book and lynch the host? I'm up for lynching hosts. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 20:42 GMT
#5509
On May 11 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd be so tempted right now just to flip a coin or something. Fuck this game man. And fuck that there are so many people not trying when im busting my ass. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 21:28 GMT
#5510
On May 10 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: I've been pointing out whats wrong with you all game. Your so fucking townie but at the same time unbelivably scummy. Ihave literally no idea what to think, because as soon as I make an opinion on you something happens to completly change it. Sense Yamato didn't flip red, I don't care about my case on you anymore. i only like to accuse people when I got an idea who they could be working with. The last idea I had for you flipped green so I dunno what to think anymore and am willing to believe this setup is just silly at this point. Yet his scumreads are On May 10 2013 03:39 TheRavensName wrote: You know what I take that back. It goes Giggles, Kush, and then Palmar. So why does he go on about WoS and spends his energy analyzing him rather than his main scumreads? Doesn't add up. ##Unvote ##Vote: TheRavensName | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 22:15 GMT
#5512
On May 11 2013 06:59 WaveofShadow wrote: That's a real hasty vote, sir. I haven't even done my read into him yet but that certainly motivates me... It's not really hasty when he's on 0 votes. I cba to take in more history than today, game too long and too many faulty reads. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 22:18 GMT
#5514
On May 11 2013 07:16 Palmar wrote: maybe we should lynch him now don't be stupid artanis. ##Unvote ##Vote TheRavensName Let's lynch him before he says anything. It wouldn't be smart but it'll be fun. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 22:35 GMT
#5519
On May 11 2013 07:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh god why is this happening. Haha at this point scum will just win because everybody's too damn sick of the game to care lol What if scum doesn't care anymore either and we get lucky and lynch scum? That'd be nice. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 10 2013 22:38 GMT
#5520
On May 11 2013 07:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: .................... what the hell is happening Make massive case on you, no one votes. Write one paragraph on TRN, 2 sheep within an hour. That's mafia. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 11 2013 15:20 GMT
#5563
Let's head back to Hopeless. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 11 2013 16:41 GMT
#5568
On May 12 2013 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: It could be up to you, by the way, if you actually put effort in. Your excuse is you don't want to die? Horseshit. What does it matter if you die if you don't get scum lynched anyway? Palmar or hopeless ladies and gents. Who's it gonna be? should I RNG it? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 11 2013 17:11 GMT
#5572
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 11 2013 17:12 GMT
#5574
On May 12 2013 02:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Kush: go away Artanis: go for it. I'll vote with the RNG. No one else agreed on the RNG Plus I want to see you flip more than Palmar atm. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 11 2013 21:26 GMT
#5597
I'm good with flipping geript tomorrow for now. In other news I just beat my PB in GTA VC \o/ | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 12 2013 00:53 GMT
#5603
I hope scum shoot me. If not I'll be pissed at them for forcing me to think and get them lynched. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 12 2013 01:08 GMT
#5605
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 12 2013 12:12 GMT
#5616
On May 12 2013 19:55 Bill Murray wrote: OK i dont see how in the world you all were so intent on wanting to lynch hopeless, he was a townread from me.... there's a reason i kept defending him........ as scum i wouldnt have tried to derail that lynch WHATSOEVER. Except when you don't put a lot of effort into pushing someone else/defending him and then try to take cred after he gets lynched. Not saying you did, but to say it makes you town is silly. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 12 2013 12:18 GMT
#5617
On May 12 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote: Don't worry Artanis. I'll throw out my perfect willingness to vote for you to make sure you don't get killed. You're probably the only one willing to vote me. I'm not going to get lynched. Scum's gonna have to shoot me at some point unless they manage to endgame me. I expect WoS will probably get shot rather than me tonight though. If they do, I'll make them regret it. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 12 2013 14:17 GMT
#5619
On May 12 2013 22:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2013 21:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 12 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote: On May 12 2013 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: yay ty for shooting me Don't worry Artanis. I'll throw out my perfect willingness to vote for you to make sure you don't get killed. You're probably the only one willing to vote me. I'm not going to get lynched. Scum's gonna have to shoot me at some point unless they manage to endgame me. I expect WoS will probably get shot rather than me tonight though. If they do, I'll make them regret it. Lol dis guy trying to WIFOM da scum so he'll get shot. It's not WIFOM, it's a promise. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 12 2013 17:23 GMT
#5623
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 12 2013 17:34 GMT
#5627
ggyo, gl town | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 15 2013 21:24 GMT
#5739
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 16 2013 21:59 GMT
#5830
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 17 2013 22:36 GMT
#5897
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 17 2013 23:37 GMT
#5927
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 17 2013 23:40 GMT
#5932
On May 18 2013 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 08:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No faction deserved to win this game tbh, other than Ace. I deserved to win you prick. Just because you're a lazy shit doesn't mean that everyone in town is. e: <3 You couldn't even read me. Seriously what's up with every person I call town suspecting me being scum? If there's one thing I've learned from this game, it's that calling people town is apparently scummy. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 17 2013 23:44 GMT
#5936
On May 18 2013 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 08:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On May 18 2013 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 18 2013 08:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No faction deserved to win this game tbh, other than Ace. I deserved to win you prick. Just because you're a lazy shit doesn't mean that everyone in town is. e: <3 You couldn't even read me. Seriously what's up with every person I call town suspecting me being scum? If there's one thing I've learned from this game, it's that calling people town is apparently scummy. Because you came into the game immediately spouting out town-reads when all people wanted to know was who was scum? But town reads are a heck of a load easier to get than scumreads and I had missed half the game. On May 18 2013 08:41 yamato77 wrote: You're just good scum Artanis. You had me waffling before. Thanks, I think. I don't think this would've been a good way to play scum though. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 17 2013 23:54 GMT
#5941
On May 18 2013 08:46 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2013 08:42 getmoript wrote: On May 18 2013 08:28 Palmar wrote: On May 18 2013 08:27 Ace wrote: Palmar...if geript is modconfirmed town why the hell is he alive for so long? come on you KNOW this - the worst thing for Scum is confirmed town. Going into LYLO and he is STILL alive? good job to geript though. Played everyone for fools with it and just sat back letting you guys argue. Didn't I try to get him lynched two days in a row now? Sure, but you were alive for a reason. Should've been obvious around the OO kill. you were alive for a reason too, the host decided to let mafia win. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 18 2013 00:08 GMT
#5952
On May 18 2013 09:07 iamperfection wrote: GiygaS played the best for the scum team i would say Definitely agree. He played a great game other than his first post. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 20 2013 16:32 GMT
#5998
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12912 Posts
May 20 2013 22:06 GMT
#6016
On May 21 2013 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On May 21 2013 06:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Sorry Palmar/town. I had all of 2 minutes to decide my vote and couldn't even read anything past the night post to decide given the situation I was in. I also didn't want to risk not voting thus turning it into a NL day as I had no clue when Id have net access again. I should have realized when I wasn't shot and WoS was that palmar was a setup to misslynch given how WoS said he was seeing things kinda from Palmars view. But with 2 minutes to decide a vote I just said fuck it and voted. I realize with slightly more time to work with I could have read the posts that I hadn't seen / spend more time thinking about how the NK worked out. I think I would have changed my vote given those circumstances but potentially could have still fucked up. As a note, regardless of the whole bit of "geript confirmed town" When Marv posted after being removed from the game with 0 real fall back from the host and the thread either correctly or not mod confirms a player because of it you have to realize it stacks the game in favour of whatever alignment said player was. Geript living so long is "suspect" but given how inactive mafia was / having dts to deal with and other blues, its not unreasonable to expect him to live as long as he did. A ton of players this game for town played like complete ass. Mainly people like me, Palmar, Kush, and a few others. I think the cop setup in this game(personally) was horrendously fucked giving us one useless blue role, and 3 other roles that fuck with the two useful ones (one still has to prove sanity, and the other can still fuck the town over) thus giving mafia a huge edge imo. However I think the biggest thing that hurt the town this game was that days could span on for ages and a majority had to be garnered. When games become inactive because of dt checks being lynched and no one posts because of it you really have a hard time pushing anyone who wasn't checked as people just move into the "herp derp sheep" mode. Factor in days that could span a huge amount of time and people who play around work schedules and time zones and games very quickly turn dull. I think there was a ton of fun here, but I think general sentiment near the end was "i just want the game to end" regardless of turnout. Good post imo. In the end I think we've all learned a few lessons from this game that we can take and improve upon in the future. Yup, I've learned that my last min pre-death guesses are always correct and that people should sheep them. On May 12 2013 06:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well that's annoying. I'm good with flipping geript tomorrow for now. In other news I just beat my PB in GTA VC \o/ | ||
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