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The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.
Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.
Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.
At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.
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CC, why don't you tell me why you find BC/Ace potentially scum?
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How about we not let BC come in and shit all over the town atmosphere?
For once, I'm actually attempting to add some positive vibes to it.
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On April 26 2013 00:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Contrary to popular opinion, reading the OP is actually a good skill toi have Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:Death Eaters Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks.
I already knew that.
None of my analysis says that town JK should jail offensively. It says the opposite. But yeah, thanks for your stellar contribution and reading comprehension. How about some analysis of the alignment of the player I was discussing in that post?
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On April 26 2013 00:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I like the idea of keeping it to Ace/BC/Palmar. Given that scum shot at Vivax rather than any of the vets, it seems they don't want to thin out that field. Even when they don't look particularly town they can still solve the game so keeping them alive is a big risk. That risk probably isn't taken for no reason, especially with the instant majority system allowing for long days.
Precisely a good point.
So what do you think about them? Let me know when you're caught up.
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On April 26 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Yamato
I feel like Ace could be scum via some association bullshit later in the game. For someone who is super godly at this game (or something like that) I figure he would have been the center of discussion. Some things come off scummy others seem kinda towny. He's a fairly null read tbh in the grand scheme of things which sucks. I also know apparently he's good at mafia which makes me further paranoid about him. Not a good lynch, forever null.
BC is mafia because he spen the entirety of D1 throwing shit at people ("You are scum for what I bolded"). He also only took a really strong stance against you, which I think is wrong right about now.
I have very similar sentiments about Ace, but just the fact that he seems RELATIVELY town when compared to most of the game makes me feel like he's not a good lynch for a while.
BC, though, I've seen be a negative force in many towns, acting superior and being a dick. What I haven't seen is him being lazy enough with his scum reads that he fails to properly justify them. A good bit of his filter is also devoted to policy lynch discussion about the miller claim thing, which is disturbing. I feel like a look st his filter from Personality 2 might give me some insight into his alignment, as he was town shot N1 in that game. I don't particularly remember much of it, as the game was such a blur of spam.
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On April 26 2013 02:12 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO is there a case on BC? From what I can see it's based pretty much solely on his activity, which he explained well in advance would be lacking. Like...why is he being seriously considered for lynch? Especially when there are players like ShiaoPi and Clarity (and VE -.-) running around? Nothing in his filter says he's town to me. Skating by on Vet cred when no Vets are dead. He's been an anti-town presence when he's around. His scumhunting consists of calling yamato and me scum as far as I can see. He's a bully. Not interested in a positive town atmosphere. Some of this is clearly rectifiable and his activity will not clear him necessarily as much as him making sense and being productive. I want him to feel the fire under his ass and to know that vets will never be allowed to be useless when I'm around.
I am yamato, and I endorse this message.
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I already talked about all those possibilities a couple pages back.
Mafia double stacking Vivax is not out of the question, in my opinion. But as was said, Palmar is perhaps a lynch better left for another day. Today we should lynch someone like the Cobbler.
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That BC case is entirely bullshit.
I'm fully okay with lynching him now. When I have time, I will respond fully.
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On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
So I'm catching up in the thread, but I stopped here to specifically respond to this case, because while I can tell from a skim if the rest if the game that it is unsuccessful in pushing for my lynch, it has been successful in attacking my image to the thread, which is absolute bullshit. VE, in particular, is sheeping the FUCK out of town sentiment today, especially when it regards me, so he's definitely mafia, but I'll talk more about that later.
In THIS post, we have a few accusations, all of which I can reasonably explain with a simple lack of understanding. While my gut reaction to someone misrepresenting my posts and my agenda today this horribly is to call them mafia, this sort of confirmation bias induced look at my alignment is more likely to come from town. I think BC is just wrong here, and unable to realize it because his experience with playing with me is little.
When I said I didn't want us to let BC come in the thread and shit on the atmosphere, I was not advocating killing him off before he had time to respond. I was advocating either ignoring his inflammatory posting or responding to it with solid explanations or analysis. If you managed to accurately read my posts from today, I very clearly said that I did not want to rush today's lynch.
That brings up my next point. I've been accused of waffling around with my reads and not pushing any one lynch. As for BC, I genuinely believed him mafia and a negative presence in the town atmosphere, and was pushing for his lynch based on analysis that I made yesterday, which he had done nothing to change. He hadn't posted anything worth analyzing until this post.
As for Shiao/Clarity, I have yet to see what they've done today, but what they did yesterday/last night was not enough for me to want to rush their lynches, and that is exactly what I was saying in the post where I supposedly contradicted myself. I consider the possibility that they are town who are bad, because it is always a possibility, even if it is not a likelihood. Thus, there is no reason to shorten our day and rush a lynch when we have infinite time, and they have hardly had time to make a response to the thread.
VE I was obviously wrong to doubt my read on. He is mafia, just from what I have read, but I'll get to that later today.
The accusation that I haven't done analysis of filters is inaccurate, in that I had certainly analysed the filters of VE, Palmar, and BC in context and given my thoughts about each. Palmar I specifically said seemed disinterested to me, based on his posting. I have cases on VE and BC, and will have an updated one on VE. To attack me for this is to show you aren't reading my posts very closely. I asked for other's opinions on them to see what other people read in Ace/BC, because I am not familiar with either of them.
Perhaps the only thing you can truly accuse me of is doubting my reads and not pushing for a consolidated lynch, but how exactly does that make me mafia? I didn't want to lynch 24 hours into the day, so we discussed our reads at the time and tried to draw more thought-out conclusions. What mafia motivation is there for that? You think I don't want to be responsible for a lynch? Do you really think that my outspoken nature is one that kinds itself to blending in? No. I own my reads, and I had perfectly good reason to doubt them.
Now, if you're going to lynch me, you're going to have to come up with a lot better reasons than that. Seriously reconsider what you think about my play, because it's obvious to me that some of you are looking at me with extreme confirmation bias. But, at the very least, I think this is somewhat difficult to imitate as mafia, so from here on out, I'll treat with you as if you're town, because treating you like mafia isn't going to help anything.
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On April 27 2013 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
/facepalm
Why did you go from "why did I ever doubt you" to thinking I'm certain mafia just from BC posting this case?
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On April 27 2013 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't?
Close enough:
On April 26 2013 01:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
@yamato: I'm sorry I ever doubted you
@Sharrant: That's a good case too. :/ Consider me reconsidering my read.
@Palmar: I've never seen you push for my lynch so weakly. You claim I'm SO easy to read - if that's the case and you think I'm mafia, you're failing to get me lynched. townPalmar doesn't fail to get VE lynched. Sorry, just my experience. You can eat rope.
@OO: You're a bro, and mostly I agree with you - people voting me with little/no reasoning are very suspicious. However I'm afraid I'm biased in that particular case (obviously). And frankly, I'm well aware that I'm generally an active poster and my D1/N1 looked lacking. Right now the only person that fits that description that I would consider voting for is Palmar.
@All
Right now my lynch preference is thusly
ShiaoPi>Palmar>Clarity
Town read on me.
On April 26 2013 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about "I'm waiting to hear from yamato before commenting"?
You know....exactly what it says?
Before I said I would respond. Reasonable, somewhat.
On April 27 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato being absentee is fucking weird...he didn't give any indication that he'd be gone for so long and he's got a BC case to refute if he can.
I want to lynch Palmar still.
Nothing has changed since I left except BM posting a lot and Palmar continuing to be awful. Being absent and not telling people is a towntell.bScum make sure people know they arent actively lurking. The thing is, Yamato DID say "I'll respond to this when I have time" So I mean, what you say may be true, but what Yamato says could be construed as doing exactly what you say. It's subjective. We really need him to respond to the case.
This chain of quotes from you is suspicious as fuck. You want to be suspicious of me before I even fucking respond.
On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied. I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.
Fuck you, you're mafia.
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On April 27 2013 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
VE isn't scum Yamato. He's giving too much of a shit this game and has actually been beneficial to town atmosphere.
How about his inconsistent bullshit read of me?
Yes, he's mafia.
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On April 27 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I wanted you to respond. Period. Now you have. Now stop saying "Fuck you".
Lol, and then you wanted to tell BC I had responded!
Total bullshit, VE.
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On April 27 2013 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:50 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
VE isn't scum Yamato. He's giving too much of a shit this game and has actually been beneficial to town atmosphere. How about his inconsistent bullshit read of me? Yes, he's mafia. Except he never said he wanted you dead, he said he wanted you to reply. This makes him scum how?
Read his posts and what he's saying in the last two posts, and what each implies.
VE is certainly ready and willing to sheep BC if he makes a push for my lynch, regardless of whether I respond or not.
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On April 27 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:54 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I wanted you to respond. Period. Now you have. Now stop saying "Fuck you". Lol, and then you wanted to tell BC I had responded! Total bullshit, VE. IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE YAMATO BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU SAID NOTHING BUT "BC CASE IS TOTAL BULLSHIT" FUCKING STAAAAP
It was a joke?
Really, that's your response?
I guess I can't argue with that explanation, can I?
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Fine, VE, I'll take this at face value. If you were just joking, I guess the rest if your posting is somewhat consistent.
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On April 27 2013 06:59 Ace wrote:
no prob VE. I just think you're on the wrong path with respect to Shiao. But lynching Clarity and viging yamato looks like a real option right now.
Why do people act like I should be vigged?
If you can't push for my lynch, stop saying dumb bullshit.
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On April 27 2013 07:00 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 06:54 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I wanted you to respond. Period. Now you have. Now stop saying "Fuck you". Lol, and then you wanted to tell BC I had responded! Total bullshit, VE. Go take a break. You're tunneling hardcore man.
Reading this thread just pisses me off.
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On April 27 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
But beware: if you do, you're SCUM!
<3 yamato
It's only to point out his complete lack of effort in analyzing my posting.
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