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On April 26 2013 06:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Nonono, buddying implies that you're being overly agreeable with me, not that we have the same reads. But whatever I'm just paranoid. You're like the only person who thinks I'm town in the game apparently.  To be fair you are also one of the few who thinks I'm town as well. However if anyone compared your play here to boardwalk perhaps they would see a different VE. I find it unlikely to have someones scum game change this drastically in one game. Let alone a scum who would defend a town BC when it would be more advantageous to let me die.
Since when have you been in danger of being lynched?
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I am also waiting for yamato's response to BC. In case i'm wrong about VE he would be my, if not second, at least third pick for todays lynch. N1 he called Clarity scum due to his timing of the case on Sharrant without a doubt, now it's suddenly a possibility that he was just a townie who wanted to contribute something of his own. I questioned yamato about this on N1 sepecifically asking if it's possible that Clarity just thought he should say something about his scumreads when he came back. Everyone can see him changing his mind on D2 based on nothing if you read his filter.
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On April 26 2013 06:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar, conversely, made one post at the very beginning of the game and that was it for his thougths on Oats. If you're counting that as "meaningful contribution to the Oats case" then there's either something seriously wrong with your metric or you're fucking scum. Take your pick, I'm done fucking talking to you unless you're willing to get your head out of your ass tunnel and think for a second. Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game.That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you. You're just making shit up. I've done what I can to find scum. Tell me why my game is lacking. I'm in here VERY OBVIOUSLY trying to find the best lynch for today. You and Palmar are both just attesting that "I haven't done shit" this game and it's a COMPLETE FUCKING FABRICATION. What has Palmar done to find scum rayne? WHAT? That's your only reasoning for thinking I'm scum apparently, but WHAT IN THE FUCK HAS PALMAR DONE TO FIND SCUM?!
You have not done anything to find scum. I think it's very clear. You voted for geript with no reasoning, then voted for BM with no reasoning, voted yamato purely because of OMGUS. Then voted for Oats with this:
On April 23 2013 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats' early game looks like a weak attempt at aggression too. He's quick with accusations, but slow with follow-up or explanation. This is a stark contrast from previous games I've played with him as town when he's all over the thread dumping opinions and calling people out.
I could get behind an Oats lynch.
This is what most people figured out added to Vivax' case, at least i did aswell. Went wrong there. On D2 you voted for ShiaoPi based on what Vivax said before. You have failed to contribute to anything relevant that has been going on in thread in D1-N1. How is this "doing anything"?
I agree that Palmar has not done anything to find scum. Why i am voting for you instead of him is because his reads are basically the same as mine.
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On April 26 2013 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar, conversely, made one post at the very beginning of the game and that was it for his thougths on Oats. If you're counting that as "meaningful contribution to the Oats case" then there's either something seriously wrong with your metric or you're fucking scum. Take your pick, I'm done fucking talking to you unless you're willing to get your head out of your ass tunnel and think for a second. Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game. That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you. Read Palmars filter, tell me what hes done and where VE lied. All I see is an excuse for him made by you and not him. If I was being reamed for not expressing myself in detail why is Palmar getting off the hook for the same shite?
VE lied when he said Palmar had no scumread on him when he voted for him, and presented Palmar's list of reads as "evidence". Palmar left out VE purposely because he voted for him right after.
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On April 26 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 06:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar, conversely, made one post at the very beginning of the game and that was it for his thougths on Oats. If you're counting that as "meaningful contribution to the Oats case" then there's either something seriously wrong with your metric or you're fucking scum. Take your pick, I'm done fucking talking to you unless you're willing to get your head out of your ass tunnel and think for a second. Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game.That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you. You're just making shit up. I've done what I can to find scum. Tell me why my game is lacking. I'm in here VERY OBVIOUSLY trying to find the best lynch for today. You and Palmar are both just attesting that "I haven't done shit" this game and it's a COMPLETE FUCKING FABRICATION. What has Palmar done to find scum rayne? WHAT? That's your only reasoning for thinking I'm scum apparently, but WHAT IN THE FUCK HAS PALMAR DONE TO FIND SCUM?! You have not done anything to find scum. I think it's very clear. You voted for geript with no reasoning, then voted for BM with no reasoning, voted yamato purely because of OMGUS. Then voted for Oats with this: On April 23 2013 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats' early game looks like a weak attempt at aggression too. He's quick with accusations, but slow with follow-up or explanation. This is a stark contrast from previous games I've played with him as town when he's all over the thread dumping opinions and calling people out.
I could get behind an Oats lynch. This is what most people figured out added to Vivax' case, at least i did aswell. Went wrong there. On D2 you voted for ShiaoPi based on what Vivax said before. You have failed to contribute to anything relevant that has been going on in thread in D1-N1. How is this "doing anything"? I agree that Palmar has not done anything to find scum. Why i am voting for you instead of him is because his reads are basically the same as mine. YOU SAID I CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING AND THEN ASKED HOW THAT IS CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING LMAO
A single contribution in 7 pages of filter which is an addition to a case already made and accepted by many people. That's not much in my eyes.
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On April 26 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 26 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 06:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar, conversely, made one post at the very beginning of the game and that was it for his thougths on Oats. If you're counting that as "meaningful contribution to the Oats case" then there's either something seriously wrong with your metric or you're fucking scum. Take your pick, I'm done fucking talking to you unless you're willing to get your head out of your ass tunnel and think for a second. Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game.That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you. You're just making shit up. I've done what I can to find scum. Tell me why my game is lacking. I'm in here VERY OBVIOUSLY trying to find the best lynch for today. You and Palmar are both just attesting that "I haven't done shit" this game and it's a COMPLETE FUCKING FABRICATION. What has Palmar done to find scum rayne? WHAT? That's your only reasoning for thinking I'm scum apparently, but WHAT IN THE FUCK HAS PALMAR DONE TO FIND SCUM?! You have not done anything to find scum. I think it's very clear. You voted for geript with no reasoning, then voted for BM with no reasoning, voted yamato purely because of OMGUS. Then voted for Oats with this: On April 23 2013 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats' early game looks like a weak attempt at aggression too. He's quick with accusations, but slow with follow-up or explanation. This is a stark contrast from previous games I've played with him as town when he's all over the thread dumping opinions and calling people out.
I could get behind an Oats lynch. This is what most people figured out added to Vivax' case, at least i did aswell. Went wrong there. On D2 you voted for ShiaoPi based on what Vivax said before. You have failed to contribute to anything relevant that has been going on in thread in D1-N1. How is this "doing anything"? I agree that Palmar has not done anything to find scum. Why i am voting for you instead of him is because his reads are basically the same as mine. YOU SAID I CONTRIBUTED SOMETHING AND THEN ASKED HOW THAT IS CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING LMAO A single contribution in 7 pages of filter which is an addition to a case already made and accepted by many people. That's not much in my eyes.
rofl, actually that is something Vivax even brought up in his case:
His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression.
So it makes it even less of a contribution..
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Ve, what made you drop your suspicion on yamato? I thought you were kinda sold on him being scum too on D1. I don't see anything you have said that indicates he's more likely to be town for you now.
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Uhh.. how does that make sense as you seem to agree with BC on his case on yamato?
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I want to see yamato's response to your case. That's ~where I'm at.
This. How the fuck am i supposed to read this other than that you agree with BC's points against yamato?
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On April 26 2013 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about "I'm waiting to hear from yamato before commenting"?
You know....exactly what it says?
But BC didn't even ask you about yamato. Why did you think it was necessary to say that in the first place if you didn't think BC (your town read) is on the right track? I'm really confused about this...
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On April 26 2013 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 07:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about "I'm waiting to hear from yamato before commenting"?
You know....exactly what it says? But BC didn't even ask you about yamato. Why did you think it was necessary to say that in the first place if you didn't think BC (your town read) is on the right track? I'm really confused about this... I commented because I didn't want BC to think I'm ignoring his case completely - that the reason I'm not saying whether or not I agree with it is because I'm waiting on Yamato's response to it. I'm having a hard time believing that you can't understand this.
But that's the reason why i don't understand it. What is there to fear if you have atm nothing to say to the case? Did you think BC is gonna call you out for not responding to his yamato case?
If you got nothing to add or nothing to straight up disagree, why make a useless comment about the case in the first place?
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On April 26 2013 08:23 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway) On April 22 2013 06:06 Palmar wrote:On April 22 2013 05:33 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Marvellosity (and only marvellosity) has been removed from the game for repeated refusal to follow the rules for out of game communication and being a dick to me.
Please keep all discussions of modkills until the post-game.
Getmoript has not been modkilled. Ok. I'll tell you how it is given BH is being an enormous megalomaniac. geript and I had a QT made for ourselves, which we have been using quite happily. BH decided that we should use the QT that he made, because he's a power-mad weirdo. I said we're fine with the QT that geript and I made thank you, and BH is now swinging his dick around, saying we're forced to use a QT that he made, despite the rules saying nothing about this, and despite the rules only having this restriction, which we followed: On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Hydras:
If one of the players would like to hydra with someone else, that is acceptable. Please inform me. Your hydra can have any name, but the signature should be something like "Hydra of Blazinghand and Ange777 for TL Mafia LXI" so that people know what's up.
There were no such rules for out-of-game communication other than that that BlazingHand just edited in to the rules so that he'd be justified being a douchebag. Anyway, glhf everyone!! ~marv tbh this should result in a modkill. It's super unfair to the mafia that he's allowed to reveal information about the nature of the hydra and how it interacts with the host that results in everyone just assuming they're town. It's also super unfair to town if they're somehow mafia despite all this. On April 25 2013 05:44 Palmar wrote:On April 25 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:
Green font it and see if the mods make that info public. well yeah. In my games you get modkilled for directly asking the host a question in the thread, although I guess I also run my games a bit differently. In fact, what I did, imply that I was going to ask the host a question would probably get me modkilled in my own game anyway. So I wish I had just kept my mouth shut about it until BH clarified. thanks BH, for explaining. But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following? On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:
also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game.
So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable. The bolded may have just become a whole lot more meaningful.
I think it's kinda WIFOMy. If i was using that as evidence i could say why didn't VE bring up DrH/Stutters & Drazak/Artanis? Does it make him scum?
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Yeah i would like to hear details aswell.
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On April 26 2013 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 08:23 GiygaS wrote:On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway) On April 22 2013 06:06 Palmar wrote:On April 22 2013 05:33 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Marvellosity (and only marvellosity) has been removed from the game for repeated refusal to follow the rules for out of game communication and being a dick to me.
Please keep all discussions of modkills until the post-game.
Getmoript has not been modkilled. Ok. I'll tell you how it is given BH is being an enormous megalomaniac. geript and I had a QT made for ourselves, which we have been using quite happily. BH decided that we should use the QT that he made, because he's a power-mad weirdo. I said we're fine with the QT that geript and I made thank you, and BH is now swinging his dick around, saying we're forced to use a QT that he made, despite the rules saying nothing about this, and despite the rules only having this restriction, which we followed: On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Hydras:
If one of the players would like to hydra with someone else, that is acceptable. Please inform me. Your hydra can have any name, but the signature should be something like "Hydra of Blazinghand and Ange777 for TL Mafia LXI" so that people know what's up.
There were no such rules for out-of-game communication other than that that BlazingHand just edited in to the rules so that he'd be justified being a douchebag. Anyway, glhf everyone!! ~marv tbh this should result in a modkill. It's super unfair to the mafia that he's allowed to reveal information about the nature of the hydra and how it interacts with the host that results in everyone just assuming they're town. It's also super unfair to town if they're somehow mafia despite all this. On April 25 2013 05:44 Palmar wrote:On April 25 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:
Green font it and see if the mods make that info public. well yeah. In my games you get modkilled for directly asking the host a question in the thread, although I guess I also run my games a bit differently. In fact, what I did, imply that I was going to ask the host a question would probably get me modkilled in my own game anyway. So I wish I had just kept my mouth shut about it until BH clarified. thanks BH, for explaining. But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following? On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:
also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game.
So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable. The bolded may have just become a whole lot more meaningful. I think it's kinda WIFOMy. If i was using that as evidence i could say why didn't VE bring up DrH/Stutters & Drazak/Artanis? Does it make him scum? Because neither of those players you just mentioned just flipped scum and tube did?
I don't think the way Palmar was talking about modkillings is alignment indicative.
If i was scum and there are three inactives and one or more of them are scum, i would totally bring up the guy who is my scumbuddy when talking about inactives. In case he gets modkilled i look good. But i don't think this can be used to tell anything about your alignment either.
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On April 26 2013 08:34 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 08:32 GiygaS wrote:
Got to eat dinner first. I'll brb with results. I'd like your read on Shiao.
And Clarity.
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Could someone tell me where i'm making shit up? I said VE has not done any real scumhunting. I don't see where his scumhunting is. Yes, he has asked some people some questions, but that doesn't qualify to me as scumhunting. I don't see where he is "trying to find out their motives" as he claims. There are no follow up's to his questions, unless everything ends up in the people he questions being a town-read, which is fishy in itself. I said he lied about Palmar not having a scumread on him when voting for him. If someone says this is not true they are scum or not reading the thread at all. At least Palmar has enough balls to call people scum or town.
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On April 26 2013 08:47 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could someone tell me where i'm making shit up? I said VE has not done any real scumhunting. I don't see where his scumhunting is. Yes, he has asked some people some questions, but that doesn't qualify to me as scumhunting. I don't see where he is "trying to find out their motives" as he claims. There are no follow up's to his questions, unless everything ends up in the people he questions being a town-read, which is fishy in itself. I said he lied about Palmar not having a scumread on him when voting for him. If someone says this is not true they are scum or not reading the thread at all. At least Palmar has enough balls to call people scum or town. I don't know if you did but it's how you made me feel with your style. He's saying the same kinds of things I did in RTP so I empathize in that regard.
I'm used to off-thread comm games, that's why i tend to interact with players who are online when i am and who i think are mafia. I understand this might make me look annoying, as i want to ask one question at time. This however does not mean i'm tunneling someone (i guess you can say at that time i am), i have a clear picture of the game as whole and i have thoughts on all the players (at least i try to).
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leaning town. I don't really have anything to ask atm, you seem to be mostly on the same page i am in this game.
geript:
What are your points 2 and 3 about? GiygaS was throwing shit at Palmar, not VE. And what does that ShiaoPi quote have to do with anything?
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On April 26 2013 09:25 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 09:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript:
What are your points 2 and 3 about? GiygaS was throwing shit at Palmar, not VE. And what does that ShiaoPi quote have to do with anything? Point 1. He's just following whatever the current trend is as it goes on. Point 2. Calls out VE for the Tube quote after the red flip. He's more than willing to help push the VE lynch without actually adding a vote. Point 3. Unwilling to call out his 'actual' scumread Shiao for doing the EXACT SAME THING!!!! He's treating 2 different players who did something very similar exceptionally differently. He's called Shiao scum multiple times but feels the need to call out VE INSTEAD OF HIS SCUM READ for doing the exact same things. @Rayn. As town do you keep up on your scum read filters or do you ignore them entirely? Do you not find this scummy?
No, he said Tube flip makes Palmar scummy, not VE.
On April 26 2013 08:29 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, meaningful in what way? Do you agree that Palmar looks scummy for it? Or did you mean that I look scummy for posting it? DETAILS GUY! I think Palmar looks scummy for it. Before I honestly just considered it reaching, but now that tube has come up as scum, it is something that is notable in whether Palmar is scum or not. I'll be reevaluating my opinion on him after reading his filter again.
That's why the third point is irrelevant. You posted one minute after it, how can you miss it?
There are other things that i find scummy in GiygaS. His vote/reasons on Ace and his behaviour in D1, but i'm not sure if he is just a dumb townie or scum.
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Actually how does GiygaS voting for Ace support your point 1?
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