TL Mafia LXI - Page 16

On May 01 2013 10:39 Ace wrote:
I dont care how you play. You've loafed around all game and hurled accusations at "vet" players and tried to pass it off as effort. When called on your stinking bullshit you get mad and emotional instead of manning up and playing. Your arguments are trash, made up nonsense that shows you haven't been reading the game. Now you're throwing a pity party because of a little pressure.

Quit if you feel that way and dont really care. No one is stopping you.

On April 27 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote:
So I kind of re-skimmed the thread and looked over what people have said, finally, and this post by Shiao is quite bad:


Much has been said about this entrance, but it was horrible, for a number of reasons. While it can be reasonably assumed that he is actually busy, the amount of this post used to excuse his own inactivity is mind-blowing.

He has no original thought about the game, and doesn't seem to care about giving us any valid reasons for voting for VE outside of Palmar's lackluster efforts in pushing for the lynch.

And then there's the bolded, his "reaction" to the tube modkill, that sets something off in my head. It seems unnatural and forced to go "(lol btw!)" in the middle of this post.

I'd be happy with lynching him, if we feel we need to consolidate on a lynch. I've advocated playing a waiting game, but I saw it mentioned that we've only really talked about lynching between him/Clarity today, and I agree, so perhaps it is best if we move on.

Another thing I thought to look at was the WHOLE votecount from day 1, not just the Oats wagon:


There are some changes to this:








So the votecount itself is somewhat difficult to analyse, seeing as most people were either on me or Oats, but the people on Rayn do seem out of place, and it is even more weird that two of them managed to get themselves on to Oats before his lynch; Sylencia and Hopeless.

Also note that Shiao's only vote of the whole day was the hammer on Oats. And people want to say that it isn't scummy? Yeah, no.

But as before, there were multiple vote changes inbetween, and they are worth looking into. To begin why did Sylencia decide to change to Oats?



Seems more of a case for voting for "bad town" than scum, which seems like a slip of a scum mindset, in my opinion. Why? Because it is something I run into as scum, how to formulate a read on a town player and call them scum so I can vote for them. Most of the time, it is "bad town" that get mislynched, so the difference becomes vague. Justifying a vote by saying that someone is "bad for town" is an easy scum out, because town players can and will be anti-town on many occasions. Yet this is Sylencia's mindset, and how he justifies the vote on Oats. Just from this voting analysis, I feel he might be mafia.

I have yet to analyse his filter in totality, but given this, I will definitely give it a look.



Hopeless.

+ Show Spoiler +

Anyway, this is Wonder's SECOND EVER mention of Oatsmaster, and the first one where he gives any inclination of thinking him mafia. AMAZING! HOW DID HE REACH THIS SECRET CONCLUSION?!?!?!



Wow. I'm not saying this is totally regurgitation of other people's arguments, but it is. This also come AFTER his vote, where he's fully aware that he's putting Oats one vote away from lynch. And then guess what happens...

I unvote (temporarily delaying the lynch), Sylencia manages to vote AND:



The hammer!

This all happens within the span of ~2 hours, mind you, when I'm screaming at the thread not to lynch Oats. Say what you want about me, but all three of these votes are particularly HORRID, and all of them are either switches off Rayn (a wagon that seems inherently scummy, in that people that switched off it didn't seem to change their read on him much) or the player's first vote of the game.

Is there a chance they are town? Sure. I'd probably say Sylencia has the most chance to be town, since when compared to the other two, his vote looks the MOST explained, despite the fishy nature of the post. The other two, however, give very little indication that they think Oats is mafia before they vote, and the hammer in particular looks like TEXTBOOK MAFIA trying to find a good reason to just lynch a town.

Notably, I did something JUST like this day 1 of British Empire 1 (also instant majority), where I fabricated suspicion of a town-created wagon on a town player and managed to hammer him for the lynch. Only this is even worse, and more obvious, because they didn't even manage to look like they thought about it before obviously putting Oats in danger of, and actually being lynch.

That's VCA done right, bros. And from it, I find the willingness to lynch the fuck out of Shiapi, because this is bullshit. No matter how much post-hoc justification he gives, there is only mafia motivation to be seen in what he has done.

On April 22 2013 21:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
What the fuck is this suspicion on me based on? My determination to "Shut down townreads"? Yes, when you're handing them out like hotcakes and trying to hold hands singing kumbya. This is Mafia, not summer camp singalong.

I'm not discouraging reasonable townreads, I'm trying to keep things objective and informed. The two points against me are my comments on VE's entrance and Vivax/Palmar's entrance posts.

For VE, watch carefully:

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Am I trying to prevent townreads? You could say that. However, the reasoning used to attain a townread on VE was true of literally every player in the game. It's the equivalent of calling anyone who doesn't post for more than an hour scum. Man's gotta sleep right? Same way he has to READ THE OP TO LEARN WHAT HIS ROLE IS???

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Vivax/Palmar's openings:

Palmar, based on the plethora of information from Vivax's two posts, the first ones in the game, declares Vivax to be unlynchable. Just like that. And that was alright because I felt similar about it. I mean I'd still have an open mind, but Vivax's post did put me onto a townier side of Vivax. My problem with Palmar's post was that he called something really fucking stupid a valuable towntell heuristic.

Let me break this shit down:

DAY 1 POST timestamp
On April 21 2013 16:55 Blazinghand wrote:

Vivax's first posts, the ones Palmar was referring to


So roughly an hour and a half. In addition there were 15ish posts between 6 players, obs notwithstanding. Also, the game started in the dead of night where I am.

Hydra Mini
scum in ~30 minutes, 33 posts into the game.

Ego Mini:
scum posted within an hour of game start. 34 posts in.

Noir Mini:
scum four minutes and 6 posts into the game

British Empire II
second post of the game 3 minutes in.

Red team's prize
Scum in under an hour, 25 posts in.

The Game
scum 5 minutes in, second post

All of these games violate Vivax's heuristic, but fuck me for pointing it out (without proof i guess) and questioning Palmar as to why he felt it was valuable, eh guys? . These are literally games just going down the list of the TL Mafia forum. I'm obviouscum trying to derail town from giving out
Completely valid and well thought out town reads based on sound reasoning.

Nah, you can all go die in a fire if you want to lynch me for this.

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As of right now, I'm on Sharrant's side and would lynch rayn. I disllike his backpedal about "policy" miller lynching. I dislike his case overall as it is largely OMGUS, but still asks questions of the person he is accusing. However, his preface to his case was here:



These two quotes don't accomplish anything to me. He's just throwing the question back at sharrant like a stall tactic of feigning disbelief. For having come up with a scumread on Sharrant it seems grounded in the fact that Sharrant is wrong, not necessarily scum.


"If I WERE mafia, blah blah blah" No. I say you ARE mafia.

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

On April 23 2013 21:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Vivax where did your unofficial count come from it looks wonky...

in any case, this should be L-1 on Oats
##Unvote: raynpelikoneet
##Vote: Oatsmaster

On April 23 2013 22:37 Hopeless1der wrote:

I think you're too trolly in the face of dieing to be town. I'm not even certain you have a scum read on anyone at all. You've provided next to nothing. A shitty list post where your strongest scum read is "well someone has to be scum, why not Ace". gtfo.

On April 27 2013 03:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: Sharrant

On April 27 2013 03:51 Hopeless1der wrote:


tbh Sharrant until someone can explain how he gets away from his scumread on you, as evidenced from



Those important things, like not lynching your primary scumread? He doesnt return to 'get things done" until Oats is lynched.

Clarity's spiel about 'easy outs' doesnt look that stupid to me considering how Sharrant's read on rayn went into the abyss with no comment at all. He just dropped his read with no explanation that I can find. What gives?

There's also what I view as feigned contribution. I realize he's posted way more than I have, but when you post


and then don't drop a wall of text in some regard, it looks like faked activity to me. This is also his first post after insisting he has shit to do upon his return, but I cant find these amazing things he's done. He's focused his attention towards clarity, but clarity barely existed at this point. Where are these "better things" sharrant promised?

##Vote: Sharrant

On April 27 2013 05:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp i guess im on shiaopi then

##Unvote: Sharrant
##Vote: ShiaoPi

On April 28 2013 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yeah no one has ever exaggerated in their life, right Ryan?
...any who I need to eat my words on sharrant. My main reason in voting shiao was that I didn't trust sharrant. There is no good reason for him to be scum at this point. You don't suicide your vig into a teammate who proceeds to tear you a new one. I agree with most of the proposed big shots. Ie. Sketch bags on shiao's wagon. Unless shiao is ALSO a vig, he really should be considered town. Depending on flips and such, I'd consider him semi confirmed.

My personal choices for shots is sylencia and stutters. Obviously don't shoot me (herpderp), and I marginally believe wos.

On April 30 2013 22:39 Hopeless1der wrote:

I pretty much agree with all of this, except ShiaoPi could have been framed so its not 100%. Nevertheless, the correct move is to lynch him right now.

##Vote:ShiaoPi

On May 02 2013 01:06 VisceraEyes wrote:

you know what I mean dude, I don't care what it's about. The fact that he posted it means he was putting himself IN the spotlight, in order to DISSUADE Vivax' townread of several players, including flipped scum ShiaoPi.

This doesn't jive with a scum mindset imo.