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On May 02 2013 06:40 Stutters695 wrote:
Wasn't the discussion a couple days ago that one cop was probably lying? Palmar happens to be paranoid after claiming cop without knowing his sanity while trying to lynch BC for a check? Is there something in his filter you see that really makes him town I'm missing?
Nothing about that REALLY makes him town but to pull that shit as scum and trying to do it in earnest doesn't make much sense either. I forget whose idea this was but I COULD see it being an attempt to protect BC if they were both scum considering no one would take his read seriously. Ugh the end of this game is gonna be tough.
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On May 02 2013 07:24 GiygaS wrote:
Just catching up, and still on only page 120 of the re-read due to sleep + school. However, we should NOT lynch Palmar. He has a huge town read for me as his first finger pointing for mafia was Clarity on day 1, along with BM. Both of them can not be scum in my eyes for that reason, unless one of them straight up slips.
Devil's advocate time, as I mostly agree that Palmar shouldn't be lynched today. Did you read my case on Palmar Guygas?
Notice how I am able to use this same evidence as a scumtell due to him pointing out Clarity as a possible early bus since Clarity was already gone for a while by that point?
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On May 02 2013 08:01 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 02 2013 07:24 GiygaS wrote:
Just catching up, and still on only page 120 of the re-read due to sleep + school. However, we should NOT lynch Palmar. He has a huge town read for me as his first finger pointing for mafia was Clarity on day 1, along with BM. Both of them can not be scum in my eyes for that reason, unless one of them straight up slips. Devil's advocate time, as I mostly agree that Palmar shouldn't be lynched today. Did you read my case on Palmar Guygas? Notice how I am able to use this same evidence as a scumtell due to him pointing out Clarity as a possible early bus since Clarity was already gone for a while by that point? My counter point being that this was day 1 (page 54) that Palmar initially called Clarity scum (a simple "sup scum"). This was only 3 pages after Clarity posted his case on Sharrant. Clarity was not already gone for a while by that point, so this is straight up false.
Yup I noticed that as well and neglected to mention it when I was making my case as I was confirmation biasing hard initially. By the end of the case its fairly evident I'm not so sure anymore but he had more scum points than town. That one 'sup scum' on its own...just don't see any reason at all scum would do that. It could be Palmar isn't playing a lazy as fuck town game and has me confused the whole time but yeah I'm not lynching him ahead of other suspects today.
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Sure, why the fudge not.
##Vote: Hopeless1nder
I'll change to BC if that's who we decide on I guess; I can't see it being anyone but those two today.
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On May 02 2013 10:39 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:31 yamato77 wrote:
There's zero reason not to lynch Hopeless.
Zero. Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
The one problem I have with considering Hopeless scum is this:
In his first big post (where he goes to all the trouble of showing why Vivax' assumption is bogus)...if he's scum with ShiaoPi, WHY would he go to all the trouble to tell Vivax how wrong he is? One of the scumteam's (presumably) newer players being considered at least a little townie based on almost nothing...why would he try and talk Vivax out of this? Why put HIMSELF in the spotlight in this way?
Kush I already explained the possible reasoning for that.
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Also are BM and Sharrant just done playing? Been 36 hours since a BM post.
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This reminds me of...fuck what game was it? Damn it I gotta look back. A recent game...probably Hydra 2 or Ego? We had cornered scum and told them: 'best thing you can do right now if you're town is help us out, do absolutely anything to look town.'
They didn't.
They were scum.
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On May 02 2013 11:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
This reminds me of...fuck what game was it? Damn it I gotta look back. A recent game...probably Hydra 2 or Ego? We had cornered scum and told them: 'best thing you can do right now if you're town is help us out, do absolutely anything to look town.'
They didn't.
They were scum.
Yeah I can't fucking find it. Ignore me I guess I'm talking out my ass again.
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Also ##Unvote because I don't want any retarded hammering just yet and we're getting close. There are a bunch of people I want to hear something substantial (or at all) from on this matter.
Consider my vote on Hopeless in spirit and I will gladly vote once we decide we're ready to end the day.
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I just skimmed through your post and just from what I see here it doesn't look good.
You 'haven't gotten to' arguably the most important people on this list, that is, the only ones who are likely to be lynched today.
Who the fuck needs a townread on me and fucking OO?
We need reads on Palmar, BC, and (slightly less so) Ace but instead you give us reads that don't matter worth a dick right now where the game is at.
Your scumbro is gonna be pissed at you when you flip because you just let us know that we're aimed in the right direction.
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Ok finished reading. Your reads are inexcusable this late into a game with 200+ pages. I think the only one I liked was the read on BM because it outlines exactly how much he flip flopped all over the place with his reads and didn't have any real direction whatsoever. And now he's been gone forever.
But yeah, Hopeless, this isn't going to gain you any towncred. I'm fairly sure anyone in the game at this point could have made the same 'reads' as you and you have added exactly nothing new in terms of insight into the people you read into. I eagerly await your reads on the final few; those are more likely to be the ones that pique my interests,
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On May 02 2013 13:21 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your reads are inexcusable this late into a game with 200+ pages. LOL i hope you never want to lynch me because my reads would receive 1/50th of the effort he gave.
I'm all but ignoring you at this point into the game, Kush. 
Looking back through Hopeless a little bit I found a couple of interesting things I don't think anyone has noticed yet. Hopeless is probably one of the only people who has considered me town from the get-go, INCLUDING my miller claim.
On April 28 2013 10:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
He's trying to avoid a bullet, not the rope. I get where your coming from but his claim isn't the dumbest thing i could think of. BM trying to push kush outranks wos' claim, but I think all parties are town right now. (You, kush, bm, wos)
He believes my reasoning for the claim at face value and argues with a tunnely Rayn for quite a while about such. I'll get back to this.
Also interesting to note here is him calling BM town here, when just now he calls BM his only scumread essentially. What has changed between now and then?
NOTHING.
Looking at the timestamps, Hopeless calls BM town at 11 KST on April 28, yet the very posts he calls BM scummy for happen 4 hours earlier ON THE SAME DAY. If he was TRULY reading at the time he originally posted this he would have no reason to call BM towny since according to his recent reasoning BM would still be scum. Big contradiction here. Now back to me.
When I claimed the entire thread was out to get me. Hell the thread was looking to kill me before I claimed (hence the claim but we've been over that) the only person who believes the claim at face value is Hopeless. Even OO, who comes to my defense later on along with Ace, agrees earlier on that he doesn't like it but they have no choice but to shoot me. I argue that shooting me would have been the right call to make and mostly everyone realizes this....except Hopeless. Why? HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Wants easy towncred. Pretty simple.
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On May 02 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote:
It's really obvious he's mafia.
Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch.
To be fair, Ace is a terrible example right now given his situation. Geript I'm pretty over yamato as mafia right now. I am interested to hear why you think Hopeless is not scum though---can you separate your bias and give me an objective reason?
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On May 02 2013 13:28 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
I just skimmed through your post and just from what I see here it doesn't look good.
You 'haven't gotten to' arguably the most important people on this list, that is, the only ones who are likely to be lynched today.
Who the fuck needs a townread on me and fucking OO?
We need reads on Palmar, BC, and (slightly less so) Ace but instead you give us reads that don't matter worth a dick right now where the game is at.
Your scumbro is gonna be pissed at you when you flip because you just let us know that we're aimed in the right direction. i literally went in order of the signup list. Also ace is there already. Finally, if/when i flip town you can suck a dick. I told you I'd get to them tomorrow and I damn well will. Do you disagree with my townreads? If so, why? Process of elimination is a valid scumhunting method especially with a minimum of 4 mislynches available. Anyways I'm going to bed. Night.
Alright I'll believe that, and yes I saw the Ace post, which essentially amounts to 'I agree with everything that's already been said 3 times.' these aren't helpful reason when you're simply restating points other people have brought up. That is the problem I have with your reads right now. I don't necessarily disagree with them, but it's not important to me right now whether I agree with them or not.
The points I brought up against you just now? Totally unique to the thread. Are they good points? We have yet to see. Picking out a random post from a person's filter and reiterating previous reads are not going to help give us info if you somehow happen to flip green.
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On May 02 2013 13:34 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote:
It's really obvious he's mafia.
Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch. I'm still not sold on you not being mafia. Even if you aren't mafia, then it's pretty obvious that you haven't been playing well at all this game. So you calling someone scum makes me not want to sheep you because you're likely tilted and wrong.
Sheep me instead.
Or better yet, don't sheep at all and have a look at Hopeless yourself and see what you can find, scummy or otherwise.
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On May 02 2013 13:40 Ace wrote:
@getmoript: even if you dont believe yamato we're better off lynching the least active players as we get closer to lylo. With so many mislynches left its the better decision to lynch hopeless1nder.
Then why aren't we lynching Stutters? Or hell, Sharrant and BM?
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See Geript, I think it worries me more that Ace is on board than yamato.
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Jesus that BC case. Sorry Artanis, but Hopeless is looking a lot scummier to me atm. I''m almost ready to hammer right now, but I know Sharrant wanted us to wait. Should we give him some time and see what he comes up with? I don't want the hopeless lynch to get derailed if we wait TOO long, but at the same time I guess there isn't any rush.
I'll kep my vote off for now but I'm looking to hammer today at some point. Also 48h since a BM post? Isn't he one of those guys who gets banned frequently from mafia or something?
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On May 03 2013 01:29 Palmar wrote:
so wait, we just confirmed Ace as 3p?
gj yamato you're boss.
dafuq.
How did yamato make this possible?
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On May 03 2013 03:01 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 02:02 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 01:29 Palmar wrote:
so wait, we just confirmed Ace as 3p?
gj yamato you're boss. ... Palmar, it kinda sounds like you're admitting to being mafia here. I'm much more okay with your lynch now. Only people ace being confirmed third party to is mafia. No, he's actually confirmed 3P Town Vig would have claimed, unless he's really bad, but I doubt there is one anyway. We have had: 1 Unaware Miller 1 DT 1 Parity Cop All flip, plus: 1 DT Claim 1 Aware Miller Claim 1 Confirmed Mason Unless you think one of Palmar/WoS/TRN is lying/actually mafia, then it's almost certain that we don't have a town vigilante.
Been saying this foeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I don't want to lynch Ace yet though, it's more important that we remove real threats atm. As long as we keep Ace under wraps there is no reason to lynch him until we need to. Plus then what are we even going to do with our JK?
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