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On April 04 2013 10:51 VisceraEyes wrote: SQUEEEEEEEEE!!! So are we trying to come up with some super OP plan to deprive scum of roles/maximize town roles? I haven't played in one of these yet (unbelievably) so I'm pretty excited. I don't think that's possible. There are so many roles that are good depending on situation it'll just give more room for mafia to pick the best from the "not the best possible roles". | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:00 Mocsta wrote: Im trying to read between the lines here: Are you advocating that, "Forced" VTs claim their intended role pick? That way, if we trust the source, we know that the role is in play? If so, I think this is a brilliant idea. Depending on circumstances. I don't think this is a good idea at all if you are meaning forced VT's should claim when D1 starts. | ||
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And whoever suggested that America is a dangerous role, that's just stupid. Like all the other KP roles are far more dangerous in mafia's hands. | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:17 Caller wrote: what i mean by it tis simple: any vt's claim their intended role, some mafia claim another role that may or may not exist. or maybe they claim a role a higher mafia picked, or they share a pick with a vt. who knows. all that does is give mafia a list of roles in the game, and it does zog all for us. Absolutely correct. You have no way of telling who is telling the truth and you might end up lynching a lot of good town roles just to figure out who is lying. | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:21 yamato77 wrote: I've specifically argued against this notion, so if you want to claim that this is the case, you're going to have to try harder than that. Why is denying mafia a role like janitor or admiral ackbar (which significantly impedes town) worse than getting a role that might only help the one player, or might be situational enough to not matter at all? Because there are roles like role swapper and copy cat. There is no point in being a "vanilla" if you have a good chance of getting a role that actually helps the town and deny THAT role from mafia (like KP roles). And what if mafia swaps the role from you, or kills you and copies it? Good luck trying to figure out where the role is then. On April 04 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=11#206 As I mentioned prior. So far, I disagree. i think this provides us a tool with which to facilitate scum hunting at some point in the game. To use the claimed VT information to confirm people is ridiculous. - If that is your fixation, then I can see your point of view clearly. Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:52 Mocsta wrote: Or perhaps we just figured out the scum CPRdoctor. I think as said before, some ppl may be going for "superstar' roles and become Vanilla. i see value in those disclaiming that the role exists in the game. It is then up to town to decide how much credence they want to give to the claim. Why do you think so? CPRdoctor is not a bad role if used right. It's a fucking multi shot night vigi! | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:58 Mocsta wrote: I dont see a point debating this. Its a role either alignment can want; perhaps even moreso as a personal preference. So you just argued against yourself? As i said there is no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't and all you are doing by vanilla claims is give scum information about town roles. | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:04 Mocsta wrote: Are you a knob head or something? You are the one who said, #3 who tries for CPR outs the town CPR at #1 or #2. I was pointing out the fallacy in your logic. i.e. could be town or scum.. not just town. My point is exactly that. You can't know. How are you going to figure that out? | ||
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If you are wrong about them being mafia, you give mafia information about town roles and where they are. What if mafia kills the town CPRdoctor on N1, and they have a copy cat? What if they swap the role? People high on draft order tend to die early on either way because it's reasonable to assume they have the best roles in the game. By outing those roles you are giving mafia opportunities to narrow the possibilities where the good roles actually are. | ||
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Forced VT claim: is an attempt to understand whether "key roles" are in the game. The action itself should not be used to establish individuals as confirmed town/scum. The problem with this is that town has no way of knowing who is lying and who is telling the truth. Scum know who is lying and who is telling the truth. The information we gain is only reliable for mafia at the start of the game. It gives mafia more opportunities to fakeclaim, bullshit, or tell the truth if it benefits them the most, and make plans that revolve around those things. And you have no way of figuring out which is it. If mafia is wise and plays it right there is no way town is going to win anything from this compared to mafia. | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No one's actually addressed this yet, especially Yamato which I find strange as it's an improvement upon his plan. I'd propose we use it for 2 roles at the most though. Past that, it just becomes too unreliable. I don't like the VT claiming idea. Players that ended up with a VT role are still important to town in one way: Taking hits that would otherwise land on blues. I don't think the info gained on roles is worth this downside. There might be exceptions in certain situations (such as a player high up in the list claiming VT when he tried to pick a scummy role), but as the norm I'd be against it. I don't think that's a good idea either. Scum can easily pick good roles for them by "blocking" a good scum role and in LYLO just BAM - ggnore. Also if town blocks a role scum can leave them alive to be WIFOMed to death later. | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with this is that town has no way of knowing who is lying and who is telling the truth. Scum know who is lying and who is telling the truth. The information we gain is only reliable for mafia at the start of the game. It gives mafia more opportunities to fakeclaim, bullshit, or tell the truth if it benefits them the most, and make plans that revolve around those things. And you have no way of figuring out which is it. If mafia is wise and plays it right there is no way town is going to win anything from this compared to mafia. RO: Thoughts on this? | ||
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You seem to be disagreeing with me here. What is wrong in what i said? | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's true rayn, the plan does rely on the players that step up to be town. However it isn't a downside because the alternative is using no plan in which case scum can pick good roles anyway. Using this plan doesn't mean that the players that follow the RNG idea are instantly labeled town for the rest of the game. They'd still be under scrutiny. All it does is make it riskier for scum to pick one or two of the roles we consider the strongest for them. I think the best plan is that everyone picks whatever they think it's best for the town. People are anyways going to claim roles later on in the game. Then we figure out if they are lying/telling the truth, is there a town or scum motivation for them to pick the role they did and/or does their explanation make sense from town/scum PoV. | ||
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On April 05 2013 01:20 geript wrote: New plan: Instead of having a set 'draft list' in that say people drafting from 1-4 need to choose from a list of ABCD roles. People drafting from 5-8 need to draft from a list of EFGH, etc. etc. This makes it very risky for Scum to draft both outside of their own list and inside of their own list. This is absolytely the best plan and the only one i'm going to support. We just need to find out what the roles are that we put to 1-4, 5-8, etc. | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:20 Vivax wrote: 1st of all: Sharrant requested roles like america to not be picked by town. No, scum can use it before getting lynched, so it doesn't matter if it outs them. Town needs the best of the best of the best, sir. My idea: We get to an agreement about a few of the towniest mofos based on activity, interest and good ideas, and accept that they will roll the highest possible numbers and nobody who is town must roll the same. That will leave a mixed pool of null/scum. Scum's main target will be to stop these elected townies from having these roles, so they will try to use the same draft, maybe while another teammate sends in other numbers to try and snatch the role. That's where the null townies come into play. They will never use the same numbers as the elected townie mofos, forcing scum to waste their picks on taking away good roles from good townies by using the same numbers, leaving a limited amount of scum who will indeed try to roll good shit, and who has to affront a horde of townies who are less likely to take good roles away from each other. Bad side: People might not give a fuck about the plan, and people might disagree on someone most believe to be town. What do you suggest those "few of the towniest mofos" pick then? | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont give a fuck about this plan, because its a really dumb plan. What do you think about geript's plan? Actually it's really good idea added to Geript's.. | ||
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I think you're reading Assassin wrong. AFAIK, a scum assassin can't say ##Kill austinmcc GREEN. Its either ##Kill: austinmcc ROLENAME, or ##Kill austinmcc RED. Is this correct? | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:33 Vivax wrote: Just finished skimming the already gigantic thread (bleh). So I will try to focus on that on the next go. Didn't really pay too much attention to that yet. For now, I'll try to simulate the plan cause I just spat that out spontaneously without playing it through yet. Three most townish mofos get elected, let's say it's VE, Palmar and Caller. Purely hypothetical obviously. Town agrees on this: Palmar 11 Caller 21 VE 31 What can scum do now? They can do 1 2 to reset Palmar back. 2 2 to reset Caller back etc., or try to roll their own shit and just deal with the fact that these people will get these roles. That will leave two mafia who will fight rest of town in the 4 - 24 range to get good roles. And if the elected people don't manage to be first in draft, we will also have confirmation that mafia doesn't want them to have good roles. It's almost like a mayoral election. nonono.. The most towniest guys obviously pick 1,2,3, etc.. | ||
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raynpelikoneet Geript yamato Mocsta Sharrant Argee or not? If not, why? | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:41 Caller wrote: disagree cuz ive already sent in [1][1] You can't change it? | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote: It's ok caller, just means you will be the last one along with the designated elected townie mofo you'll contest. Hurt yourself bro. I'll take a look at your options there. Seems like you like to pick the most active ones, but need to check if they're actually proposing malicious ideas. Disagreed on some stuff with sharrant, for example. It's like he wanted to leave "dangerous" roles open for scum. It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:47 Caller wrote: au contraire mafia will push any ideas even if they are "good" because their picking strategy never reflects what town is thinking and if they have a "good plan" they become more "townlike." or they participate. either way it looks good on them. As i said the guys top in drafting order are gonna fall fast, thay have the "best" roles after all (or at least likely). If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's good for town? Doesn't it hurt your team? If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's bad for town? Doesn't it draw suspicion to you? | ||
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Oats please read the thread.. :E | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:54 Oatsmaster wrote: You cant push a bad strategy in PYP, you just cant. It gets shut down immediately. Its better for them to let town do what they do and maybe slightly alter the 'plan' to benefit scum more. So therefore your town 'criteria' is absolute bullshit Do you think bad plans are coming from town or from mafia? Why? | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:53 Caller wrote: wait how does vivax know there are five mafia Elaborate plz? | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck that. Its the easiest way to look like town to contribute in a 'plan'. Its really easy cause you can do it as both alignments cause you dont have to offer any opinions. In chrono trigger. Some of the scum werent all quiet and shit, they contributed and yes there was a bad plan proposed by scum, but I dont see that here. So what exactly are you saying? Is there scum in the list i proposed? | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:04 Keirathi wrote: I'll be completely honest and say I hate plans like this. The game is called Pick YOUR Power. Not Let Everyone Else Pick Your Power For You. For one, I just don't see everyone agreeing, and to me it just ruins the fun of the game type. Nobody is saying what you should pick. I am suggesting that 5 players get to pick first. Is that a good plan or not and are the players town/mafia in your opinion? There are like 100 - or something - roles. If you don't get your favourite pick i'm sure you can find something else that suits you. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote: There are less than 30. This is funny though. You want the 5 players to claim which roles they pick? Then you dont want people to deny. WHY? Where am i saying i want them to claim what they picked? I am saying i know i am town and the other four are in my opinion most likely to be town. That's why i want them to pick first. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:10 Keirathi wrote: I was responding to geripts plan to full pod out the game. IE: people in slots 1-4 only pick roles A, B, C, or D. Players in slots 5-6 only pick roles from E, F, G, or H. That's boring to me. I'm fine with players being given first picks (in theory) if they are going to use them to deny scum roles. If they're just going to pick whatever they feel like, then I disagree. I don't think the players who are going to pick first should be limited to X number of roles. They should pick whatever they feel is best for the town. It's beneficial to town to have as many upper slots as possible. In one PYP i remember mafia!Chezinu picking CPRdoctor as ~#22. FUCKING CPRdoctor @ #22!!! There needs to be some cooperation in the picks, but it can't be too obvious or it's advantageous to mafia. If someone of us is mafia it doesn't matter, we need to be responsible for our actions regarding our role anyways. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn Simple question. Do you think that its more important for town to get good power roles, or for town to stop scum from getting good power roles? I think it's more important to get good power roles in top picks, and the top picks need to be town if we are going to let some people pick above others. I also think it's beneficial to town to agree on some town reads and let them pick first. 6+ pickers can deny the roles good for mafia, or 1-5 if they feel like it. A question to you: Do you think there are mafia in this list and if yes, why: raynpelikoneet geript yamato mocsta sharrant ? | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:20 Keirathi wrote: So lets say we follow your plan, and give the top 5 picks to the guys that you said. And lets say t hat one of them is scum, and picks Janitor or CPR Doc. How exactly do they get outed by getting to pick those roles for free with no contest? The fact that they do not die in the first couple of cycles and there is going to be cops and stuff anyways. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:28 Restraining Order wrote: Ok, you can keep townhunting them townreads if you want, I sent in my numbers already. They shouldn't be too obtrusive to whatever nonsense you'll come up with, so it's okay. This is like a scumclaim. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=335236¤tpage=19 why do you disagree with them? Rayn im null on everyone on your list. Thats not the point. The bad part about this plan 1. Top 5 townies choose whatever they want 2. Scum can feel free to pick CPR doc/janitor/voterigger/other scum favored but useless to town roles. So basically no accountability and this doesnt really help town. How does this help town? What if the top 5 choose the same thing? then one is a VT. Which basically made this top 5 thing useless. Why the fuck would top 5 choose the same thing? How is CPRdoc bad for town? What do you exactly want? Everyone to claim what they pick? If not, how are you doing anything different than what i proposed? Except that in my proposition the top 5 picks are most likely town. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. CPR doc is not the best role or even top 5 for town. 2. The top 5 might choose the same roles cause they DONT KNOW what one of the others is choosing 3. I want to have at max 2, maybe 3 townreads who take out the 2/3 best roles for scum and never use them. The rest is FFA. 1. Yes it is, imo. I can see though why you disagree. IT'S A FUCKING UNLIMITED NIGHT VIGI! It's better that town has it than that scum has it. 2. So how do you propose we avoid this? With top 2-3 claiming what they picked? That's just dumb. 3. Why not let 5-8 or whatever deny the roles good for scum? If they have been picked, we know they are in play and possibly in scum hands. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote: Sadly, RO's wasn't a scumclaim. He could just shut up or lie about agreeing with sending in the right numbers while he doesn't. I would like Palmar and VE to comment on this stuff and tell us who they would like to get the first drafts. Not used to them being so disinterested. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING WHEN YOU PICKED NUMBERS YOU CAN'T CHANGE THEM????? Is it stated somewhere. Seems like a way to say "fu, i don't need to contribute to your plan".. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:51 Oatsmaster wrote: CPR doc Voterigger Janitor Yes I agree with CPRdoc. Why is it more beneficial for town to have top 1-3 to deny voterigger/janitor than them picking a good role like Inventor and have 4-7 worry about those roles? | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:54 Palmar wrote: I don't care who gets first drafts and I don't intend to play along with any plan. Hey do you think someone is scum right now? | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Because as it was said EARLIER AND IN THE FUCKING GAME I LINKED WHICH YOU DIDNT READ. That denying scum roles is more important than picking town roles. also we cant control 4-7 and I dont intend to ask them to claim so WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY PICKED. We can't control anyone. Denying "scum roles" in 1-> is stupid. So we disagree. | ||
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If you are town you might want to read into RO, Caller, Oats atm. | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: We can't control anyone. Denying "scum roles" in 1-> is stupid. So we disagree. EBWOP: I meant to say "having people in "1-> to absolutely deny scum favored roles" is stupid." | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:00 Keirathi wrote: rayn: I honestly think you are missing something here. Scum not having their "optimal" roles is way more important than town not having its "optimal" roles. Town can win this game with all VTs if we need to, as long as scum doesn't have their "perfect" team. And the kicker is that scum aren't ever going to pick most of the town optimal roles (except maybe inventor) because they just aren't useful to scum and they have no reason to deny them from town. They would just be better off picking mediocre scum roles. No. Scum want to have a good variety of roles that are strong and work well together. For example medic is a fucking good role to scum, but not picked in the first ~6 slots (because you basically out yourself by doing so). I agree that there are many ways for scum to play this game, that's why i don't want to tell anyone what to pick. That's come up later when analyzing players. | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Um how? we dont claim right? Scum want to get as much KP as possible I think, cause more townies around longer isnt good. Whats wrong with my plan Rayn? BLARFFFFFFFFFFFFFF........ Someone in the mid section is gonna pick medic anyways and that'll come out at some point. If you were #3 picking medic you were dumb, or scum. | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:18 geript wrote: Having the top 3-5 have preset picks is both unfun and non-productive. It tells scum who to thieve/swap with. That's why the preset pick list is bad. It's exactly why my plan of pod picks is much, much better. It gives people freedom to choose while still providing strong uncertainty as to what exactly has been happening. That's what i'm saying no? On April 05 2013 04:20 geript wrote: Well, you're just wrong. Preventing scum from getting the obviously powerful scum roles is exceptionally bad for town. Especially with roles like Janitor. Shit can go bad exceptionally fast in that regard. Roles aren't that important for town. Town will be smart and lynch scum. It's going to happen. Preventing "bad shit" is just as important as being able to do "cool shit." I don't see how this has anything to do with "#1 must pick X role"? Or if it does, what should #1 pick then? I meant we can't say #1 MUST deny the most powerful scum role, or even #2 or #3.. | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:13 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think scum has a problem with that in the slightest. I go back to my original plan which is to let the order fall as it shall and not direct it. 1 scum read each everyone? Then why do you want to do that? | ||
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Caller, RO, Oats. | ||
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RO, Oats, MZ, Caller :D | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote: @ Rayn Im not hard defending RO; I dont know where I stand with him yet. Im saying your rational is not alignment indicative. I thought it might also be beneficial to provide awareness of a scum filter for him. These are the guys who are saying "i don't want to take a stance, i just.... I SET MY NUMBERS ALALALALALALALA.. I WON'T LISTEN TO SHIT, AND I HAVE NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE OF ALALALALALALALALLA! kill those guys. | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: Can you walk me through this please. From what I saw, the only build up you had to claiming RO is scum is: Where I am having trouble following you is: I dont see how *only* scum would would or could make a statement like this. RO is failing to contribute to anything at all. See his filter. No more need to be said. Good kill on D1/N1. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote: I still dont follow. What has there been to contribute? We have been talking about plans; just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them scum. I think this is clutching at straws, and is providing preferential treatment. RO duly pointed out others that also did not agree with the plan; yet you seem to be singling him out specifically. If you want traction: I am going to need more than "failing to contribute". Otherwise, this looks like a weak attempt to "scum hunt" - which can indeed be construed as scummy. In short, all I am asking for is: Why are ROs actions specifically scummy, and can not be a townie that shares a different mindset to that of yourself? To answer: read his filter.. is not an appropriate answer, because I already disagree with you.. you're meant to be trying to convince me...show me what you see RO is failing to contribute to the plans provided pre-picking phase by " lolololollllll, i sent my numbers, can't change, fu all,, i don't need to do shit.." Kill him. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:09 Palmar wrote: I was thinking I wanted the Ver role so I could bully everyone into claiming to me. I can claim to you if you take the role. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:12 Restraining Order wrote: False, I never said I can't. I said I wouldn't. Yep, that' why i shoot you on D1 <3 | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:18 Mocsta wrote: Did you read what I wrote? Geript asked before what I thought of you prior. The longer you cast out scum suspicion like this.. the quicker my read of you is dropping and the quicker I am getting concerned that you are high up on the draft list. I asked you to explain why RO specifically is acting scummy, and can not be a townie who disagrees with you. I have yet to receive a valid answer Fact: i submitted my #'s yesterday as well; and was not a supporter of the plans. Did you miss my commentary with yamato yesterday? Just because I was willing to discuss plans in detail, and RO hasnt been as much.. does not make either of us town or scum. This whole phase is foreplay; and the action to discuss is itself alignment null. Im still not clear why you cast RO as scum for this action; yet leave others alone. BLARFFFFFFF::::: RO is using "i do what i want to" as an "evidence" to not contribute. How has he contributed at all? Show me. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:20 Mocsta wrote: I know Im town, even though my [8] was RNG. So; yam finds palmar suspicious I find austinmcc suspicious Who in that list is your "?certain?' scum read. Keirathi. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:35 Mocsta wrote: I personally dont value pre-draft contribution as highly as you do. Perhaps that is the crux of our differences. Let me re-direct your attention to Sinani. This gentlment is in the top 5 for the draft; yet this is essentially his sole contribution I sincerely hope this person is not on your radar; JUST because he "sent in numbers that agree with rayn's system" Because, if he actually did; he wouldnt be in the top 5 would he.... fair point. maybe sianani is scum too. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I initially had a pretty bad feeling about oats, however he's just been too loud for me to think he's scum at this point. I'm rather suspicious of artanis, I actually wanted an opinion on sharrant because I have him as a complete null, and decondou was a red herring which I threw out on a whim. In hindsight you'd be too smart to go for it as scum anyway currently I have rayn as probable town since I've learned that the most annoying people tend to be town. That being said, I also really don't think RO is scummy. Also for the record, I'm not trying to force a wise man to do my bidding, just wanna check in with someone who completely played me before :D Oats is bad town or scum. Artanis is .. hmm.. idk.. sharrant almost definitely town. deconduo, leaning on scum at him. RO = scum. kill him <3 | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:58 sinani206 wrote: I was [7][2] (my birthday) You should have been [2] [1] or smth.. :/ Happy birthday! | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:03 gonzaw wrote: Oh, stop it you! :3 I just don't want to start babbling like I do normally (i.e post thoughts about everybody at once, every time). Anyways, I can't see that much against the "guy who picks [1,1] and scum don't clash with him is scum" heuristic, specially considering Sno didn't post at all on the 24 hours this drafting phase (other than his "thread is so big!" comment). It's not entirely foolproof....but it does make you think. This drafting phase was nice to get some town reads going on, not so much scum reads (although I have my suspicions). As most of the time, content from certain individuals would be welcomed (VE, Palmar, Obvious, sinani, etc etc) to get something going (as long as I don't have to spam thoughts and thoughts to make it so). rayn, I don't understand you tunneling RO right now. Heed my previous wise advice and take a step back before you tunnel someone which could easily be town at this moment in time. WWhat exactly are you saying? Giving me advice? | ||
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He is non- committal, that makes me think he might be scum. | ||
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What, you tell then who ABSOLUTELY are scum ?? | ||
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and i am not DEFINITELY gonna tunnel anyone. | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote: You. Your play in short: Classic mafia. You are trying to cast RO as scum, because he didnt push a plan. The corollary is that you consider yourself super pro-town because you did push a plan. Great.. but what have you done since the draft order was released? Absolutely nothing but shit the thread. You have not followed through with your plan, now that you received your prize. And you did not berate any "weak reads" for being up there on the list and not endorsing your plan. Your actions may be generic pro-town; but your motives are clearly not in towns favour. You sir, are scum. <3 i can't say anything else t_T | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta tell me who has done anything productive after draft order? gonzaw: are there any ppl? | ||
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On April 05 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote: @Rayn Can we please continue this discussion. This exchange just doesnt sit right with me. + it looks like you are setting yourself up for a CPR request. If I am reading this correctly, you believe a CPR role is not a bad *TOWN* role if 'used right'. i.e. it didn't cross your mind, that it would be beneficial to scum; nor a high priority scum pick How so? The CPR doctor kills anyone you protect, that isnt attacked that night. As town, this is one of the most WIFOM inducing roles. i.e. Lets protect "XYZ" the town leader, because he surely will be shot.... and if scum doesnt shoot him, you just killed the town leader. So yes, I would like you to extrapolate on why you think CPR is a beneficial role to town; as opposed to a role worth ensuring scum can not use. Okay. We continue with this. ^^ CPR is not a bad town role if used correctly (shoot scum or not use it at all). I know it's beneficial to scum also, never said i don't think so. I don't think CPR should never be used as doctor. Looks like we are thinking the same way about that role. I however do not understand why do you think i think CPR is not a scary scum role? If i say it can be a good town role it doesn't mean it can't be a good scum role too. | ||
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I don't think CPR should never be used as doctor. I don't think CPR should ever be used as doctor | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote: This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much. Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it. obviousone - 234? Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1 Sinani206 - 7, 2 Visceraeyes - 10, 10 Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember strongandbig - 234? same first as caller Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second restraining order - 6, 2 Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+ artanis[xp] - 11 sharrant - 11 gonzaw - 8 Austinmcc - 8 Keirathi - 8 Palmar - 8 Mocsta - 8 Shelvocke - 8 Deconduo - 8 Vivax - 8, 1 Oatmaster - 8, 1 billmurray - either 8 or didn't send Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11 For sure no more than maybe one/two scum in the bolded section. Pretty cool that half of the players apparently picked 8,X. :D | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea. What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size). What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. Is it just me or what. I think this is incredibly stupid idea. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:15 Restraining Order wrote: More and more people turned out to have picked 8, and more and more of them turned out to look mafia-ish. Suggesting that it's very possible mafia deliberatly picked people into 8. So i decided to scrap that idea and just not think about it anymore. Stupid. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote: And you acuse ME of convenient excuses. Hang. Huh. You both should hang. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:23 geript wrote: Also, would someone familiar with Caller's meta tell me about him? Caller is actually town. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:24 Bill Murray wrote: FoS Restraining Order VE is town and scum are trying to get a D1 lynch on him How do you think scum are gonna push a lynch on VE on D1? | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote: I think he's providing a decent service to town for now, regardless of his alignment. Anyone know if RO is a smurf or new? Huh. How exactly is BM doing ANYTHING that helps town? Point it out to me. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly rather than just be hard-defended Bill, I'd like to hear rayn's reasoning for thinking I'm scum. You know...so I can maybe get a read on rayn? Like, I appreciate the vote of confidence and everything, but I get the heebiejeebies when people hard defend me like they're already CERTAIN I'm town. :/ How ARE you certain I'm town by the way? You have not done shit, and i know you are capable of doing shit. You said the stupidest thing in the world. " HEY HEWY KP ROLES, HANG OUT HOME AND NOT SHOOT <3<3<3<3" Fuck that's dumb. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:25 Bill Murray wrote: palmar and caller are basically null because they are afk Caller is basically town. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:40 Bill Murray wrote: no he's like Foolishness where he doesn't post at all for 2 days No he is really like town. Is he mafia then? Why? | ||
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On April 07 2013 12:25 Keirathi wrote: Anyways: raynpelikoneet: I just got out of RED Team (click link for his filter) with a town rayn, so my expectations of his town play are still in the forefront of my mind. And some very obvious things aren't matching up: 1) Progression of reads: I'm not going to quote every instance, but something really sticks out to me: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's with the ninja vote marv? On March 26 2013 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you assume i was serious in the first place? On March 26 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: A good question. After all it was prplhz who disappeared, not me. On March 26 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: S&B: I never said i wasn't serious with my vote. I asked marv why does he assume i am serious. Something he also failed to answer. On March 26 2013 10:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason i asked the question from marv was this post: He had voted me because i "overreacted" to prplhz. How does me asking "what's with the ninja vote?" make him change his vote to a stupid policy lynch? On March 26 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself? On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this: If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave? If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia). On March 27 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Besides this i havn't attacked people. I questioned marv and Keirathi. Keirathi told me why i was wrong in prplhz-defending-thingy, i agreed i was wrong and let it go. I questioned marv because i wanted him to do stuff. I agree with his reads/observations when he presented them and it makes me think he is town for now. He still didn't answer my question about the start of the game but because everyone seems to think it's irrelevant it probably is and i'm not going to sidetrack the discussion by screaming about it over and over again. Try again Cora. What you'll see is a direct thought process and how rayn's read progresses. He played like this for the entire game: see something he thinks is scummy, questions it, discusses it, and then either votes or moves on to something else. Or even just see something he finds scummy, dissects it, and makes a case. He's trying to figure out the game, and engaging people trying to get comments on his points/comment on their points/doing whatever he can to help town. Now let's look at this game: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2013 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You seem to be disagreeing with me here. What is wrong in what i said? On April 05 2013 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: 3 scum reads: Caller, RO, Oats. On April 05 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: RO is failing to contribute to the plans provided pre-picking phase by " lolololollllll, i sent my numbers, can't change, fu all,, i don't need to do shit.." Kill him. On April 05 2013 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is bad town or scum. Artanis is .. hmm.. idk.. sharrant almost definitely town. deconduo, leaning on scum at him. RO = scum. kill him <3 Etc, etc. This is how his reads "progress" with every single person that he's called scum. He just pulls their name out of thin air. Maybe makes up some justification for it, maybe not. VE/RO/Caller/me/austin/BM/etc etc. He's called ~half of the people in the game scum for little to no reasoning. And those reads swing extremely wildly. Over half of the people he randomly calls scum are people that conveniently happen to already be under some suspicion/pressure. And some extremely strange flip-flops. You'll notice up there in the quote spoiler, he was calling Caller scum for most of the game. Then: Where did this come from? It makes no sense, because I don't see anything major that Caller changed, except he started pushing me. Or maybe that's the sense it makes; he stopped calling Caller scum once Caller started calling one of his "scum reads" scum (aka me). Which was my point to begin with: his reads just change when they're convenient to change. Not when he has sufficient reasons for changing them. Which is extremely different from everything about how he played in RED. 2) "The Plan": This point has already been talked about a bit, but I think it deserves a bit more attention. Notice what he says. People in the top picks need to have some kind of cooperation towards denying roles/picking strong roles. However, once he got his spot in the top 5, what happened to that cooperation? It was non-existent. He didn't even try. Town rayn in RED was cooperative and attempting to help town win all the way until end game, even when it meant he couldn't win himself (he had a dumb alternate win-con that involved killing a bunch of townies). He realized that he couldn't shoot us, or town as a whole would lose. So he sacrificed his own win-con and didn't shoot on the last night. Which makes me question this: "This is the only plan I will support!" "Oh wait, no. I'll support the plan that directly benefits me, even though I just said the other one was super good." He doesn't even explain why that plan is better than geript's. Just that suddenly, since the new plan gives him a free shot at the top 5, he would rather push that one. But also notice how in the quote about the cooperation, he says "I don't think the players who are going to pick first should be limited to X number of roles. They should pick whatever they feel is best for the town." Which begs the question: why the fuck did he say that he thought geript's plan was absolutely the best plan, then turn around and say that he thinks that plan is dumb just *ONE* hour later?? I can understand liking a plan, pushing it, then liking another plan better. But he completely flip flops by saying a plan is good, then almost immediately saying "no that plan is bad". It all just reeks of posturing to benefit himself, rather than what he legitimately thinks is the "best". TL;DR: Strange reads with no progression or reasoning, uncooperative, excessive posturing to attempt to get himself in the top picks. Rayn is scum. ##vote raynpelikoneet 1) How much time i devote to the game depends on how much time i have available. I have not ahd much time this weekend. How i play also depends on the setup. It's very different when everyone is vanilla or when everyone has roles. You are making a meta case and later on you say you are not even sure about my meta. How do you think anyone is going to believe you if you are not sure yourself? Oh and the fact that you are wrong. I think RO/MZ/VE/BM are mafia atm because they have not added anything to the discussion. During drafting phase they only popped in and said "i'm not gonna follow any plan" without further explanation. RO took this even further with "i alrady sent in my numbers so do whatever you want to, i won't listen". If someone is pushing a bad plan why would a townie say "do that if you want to" rather than "we should not do this because it helps mafia this way.."? Caller made some posts that i found out good and his thinking process was quite similar to mine regarding the things he commented on, that's what made me change my mind on him. Not because he did suspect you. 2) That's bullshit. I never said "abandon Geript's plan, it's dumb". I wanted to implement Geript's + Vivax's plan and use them both. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=19#362 I don't know why you even bring something this ridiculous up.. There is no reason to push any plans further when people reacted to any plans like they did. 3/4 of the people said "fuck all the plans", "i'm gonna do whatever they want so fu" or "it takes all the fun out of the game". What's the point of discussing any plans further when you already know it's not gonna happen anyways? At least i fucking provided a plan that had four town reads in it for people to discuss but no.. Everyone just hopped right over that part.. TLDR; - Strange reads with no progression or reasoning - maybe you should have asked me about those reads then if you do not know where my head is at. Now you are just calling me scum because you think i have not reasoned my reads well enough yet you have had no intention to even find out why my reads are what they are. - uncooperative - I see myself being the most cooperative peron before we got our roles. there are a lot of people who are way more uncooperative. After the roles were out i have had basically no time to think about the game, but that's gonna change now. - excessive posturing to attempt to get himself in the top picks - rofl, why wouldn't you want to be #1 person picking? How is this alignment indicative at all? Actually, scum would more likely try to avoid being the #1 picker because that automatically gives you a lot of attention and less chances to fakeclaim later if needed. Also the top guys are gonna get killed anyways early on as they probably have the "best" roles in the game. If they do not die it brings more attention to them. | ||
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Notice what he says. People in the top picks need to have some kind of cooperation towards denying roles/picking strong roles. You yourself posted a list about the roles i agreed with bariing some of the roles. I went on with that (regarding Geript's plan where 1234 pick from ABCDEFG). | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:54 Keirathi wrote: @rayn: good, you're back First: ##Unvote Now, let's talk a bit: What are you defending here? WHY are you defensive? I didn't call you out for lurking/not contributing/whatever. Weird opening statement. You're right to an extent. I said that I hadn't read your scum meta. But everything about your play has been so glaringly different from the way you JUST played as town. Why? "Because the game is different" isn't an excuse for thinking and behaving completely differently. The statement above is basically my answer to this question. I had very limited time during the weekend (well, not really limited time but rather shittiest internet connection ever) so i decided to call people who i thought are scum actually scum. I agree not likely the best approach i could have taken but at least it's better than not doing anything imo. You didn't specifically call it dumb. I was...paraphrasing, a bit. And that post you just linked came before the post where I said you were calling geript's plan dumb, which is even weirder. Let's look at the progression, exactly: Then: geript's plan was exactly that: the people in the first 4 slots (aka pod, in this case) would be limited to a certain pod of picks. You said that was unarguably the best plan for town. Then changed your mind and are saying it's a bad plan. That's what I was getting at, here. Ugh, I hate this kind of excuse. "No one else was doing anything, so I refuse to do anything too!" YOU were the one saying that the top picks needed some kind of cooperation. Why didn't you try to get any? You just got your top pick, and buggered off. Lol i see what you mean. Sorry. I never meant to say "do not follow Geript's plan" in the post you quoted from me. This one: I don't think the players who are going to pick first should be limited to X number of roles. What i meant to say was that the first 4 pickers should not be limited to exactly 4 roles as this will make them overlap/give mafia info about the roles. I think your list was quite accurate (as i said before) and i myself went with that list. People didn't say the list was bad so i assumed they thought it was good and followed it aswell. It's not my job to find out why you spew out bullshit reads with no explanation. The onus is on you to explain yourself. But again, that isn't even my point AT ALL. My entire point was that the way you are acquiring those reads is entirely inconsistent with how you acquired reads in Red Team. In Red Team, you saw something you didn't like, and either made a case right there, or you started poking and prodding at the person, questioning them and their motives. This game you just drop a name. Why so different? Explained before. Again, missed the whole point. You said that the top picks needed to be cooperative with picking powerful roles/denying scum roles. But didn't try to cooperate at all with the top picks once the draft order came out. There was no way any cooperation was going to be useful. I agree i made a mistake by not clearly stating that the list you proposed regarding the roles was good. I thought people found that out too as there was no opposing arguments. And that was all the cooperation i found to be useful at that point. I already addressed that. No, trying to get yourself in a top pick isn't scummy, in itself. Rapidly changing your mind to a plan that benefits you more, personally, than town, and then refusing to back up your opinions on cooperating with the other top picks is scummy, though. I hope i explained that in my above responses in this post. I'm looking forward to seeing what you contribute today, though. Hopefully you can change my mind. Why are you unvoting me me if my answers do not please you? | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:23 Shelvocke wrote: 3. Mocsta and Keirathi both look town to me. I don't think they're correct about rayn but they seemed to legitimately believe that he was mafia. Elaborate please? | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:36 Mocsta wrote: Do you think I was chasing you for funsies the other day? I dont think you scum anymore.. i just think your bad town But conviction was there, and I think Shevlocke comment was fair (regarding me at least) No. I want to know why Shelvocke thinks i'm town. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:49 Mocsta wrote: Rayn i saw your vote for VE. Lay it out for me hunny I forgot to vote him earlier in the actual voting thread. I think he is really unproductive and before the game started (during picking/drafing phase) he had really bad ideas that couldn't work. He's not doing anything and with the NRA thing on the table it makes him even more scummy because i know at least i am not the NRA guy. I don't want to lynch Artanis, i don't think he is scummy. He didn't push his idea to the fullest but noone who were giving out ideas didn't do it. It was really obvious no idea was going to work because ~3/4 of the players straight out refused to contribute anything on the ideas. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:01 Vivax wrote: Giving out your opinion on Artanis after Caller seemingly shot him is pretty useless, and scummy. Will you lynch Caller if Artanis flips green or not?That's what matters. I don't know if Caller actually shot him because there is nothing that implies so at least yet. And no, i will not lynch Caller if he shot Artanis and he flips green. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:12 Vivax wrote: Well for what it's worth, Rayn, you never gave a fuck about Artanis up to this point, so if anything you spitting out a townread in this situation just makes you look worse and seeking for cred. If you really thought Artanis was town you'd not be that careless about Caller's shot. I havn't given a fuck about anything up to this point. I was reading VE's filter te see if there was anything that would change my mind on him. I then looked at Artanis and gave my thoughts about him aswell. I had no real stance on VE/Artanis before i finished reading the filters. If it makes me scummy that Caller shot or "shot" him before i was able to put up a post that contributes to the situation and actually gives out my real thoughts so be it. Why do you want to kill Caller if Artanis flips green? Why is it impossible that Caller is town and has a strong scum read on Artanis and he is just wrong about it? | ||
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On April 09 2013 04:46 geript wrote: I'm open to the possibility of a Town Vote Rigger, but scum vote rigger is far, far more likely IMO. If the scum team caused the double lynch they abe playing absolutely crappy or being inactive. Look at the vote tally, there is noone else really in danger of being lynched or even pushed hard than the guys who flipped. | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:06 Caller wrote: guys i have this amazing idea if there is emprah all they ahve to do is wait till tmrw then claim and do double lynch. since emprah is most likely in the VE vote list, where there is almost certainly mafia and lots of it, this will thin out the list some more. and its easy as hell to filter out any fake claims. npnp Why do you think there are a lot of mafia in VE voters? I can't see it. Why would scum push a counter wagon on another scum? | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:28 geript wrote: Bussing 1 obvious scum to save a non-obvious one isn't bad strategy. I outed VE's role in thread. I also thought Artanis was town (shame on me). Added to his lack of activity, I would absolutely bus VE in that situation too. I don't think scum would buss VE in that situation when there were other people who they could have easily made a case on. Caller claimed he shot Artanis. If i was scum i would definitely take the risk of Caller being truthful about the shot and push a lynch on ANOTHER of my teammates. | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:31 Palmar wrote: also shame on the people who were going to back off artanis when gonzaw was shot for calling him scum. Gonzaw said he'd prefer a lynch on Artanis and that he was going to shoot someone else. If i remember correctly either sn0_man or shelvocke. | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think scum would buss VE in that situation when there were other people who they could have easily made a case on. Caller claimed he shot Artanis. If i was scum i would definitely take the risk of Caller being truthful about the shot and push a lynch on ANOTHER of my teammates. EBWOP: rofl, "If i was scum i would definitely take the risk of Caller being truthful about the shot and not push a lynch on ANOTHER of my teammates." | ||
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sn0_man has only played newbie games. He specifically said he couldn't do anything with the VE meta comments because he didn't know VE's meta. Look closely at that post. He knows that people always find vivax scummy, and that vivax is always a good mislynch. How does he know this? How does he know how vivax plays, how people interact with vivax? He shot down knowing how VE plays, didn't care about it. But he does know vivax's past games. How, when he hasn't played in any of them? Perhaps he's got some folks saying outside the thread that vivax is a juicy mislynch most games? This is actually very interesting point Austin pointed out. | ||
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On April 09 2013 09:17 Restraining Order wrote: And why would I do that? No reason to, so I won't. To redirect sn0 to himself if he's mafia and has a KP role? | ||
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On April 09 2013 10:12 Restraining Order wrote: Oh yeah I forgot responding to this: I picked Framer in hope that it works like that. Turns out it doesn't. I can't actually misdirect any actions, it apparantly just looks like it for watchers/trackers and stuff. So it's useless and I'm a VT now and I should have picked a better role. Like assassin. TIL. wtf, how can this mean anything else: You have the power to change how one's alignment and role appears to any detective type actions performed on them that night. You may use it on one person per night and may not use it on yourself. In addition, you may also choose to have your framed target visit anyone you choose. Any actions they perform will also be misdirected. Your target will also show up to watcher and tracker reports. ??? | ||
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...In addition, you may also choose to have your framed target visit anyone you choose. Any actions they perform will also be misdirected. | ||
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On April 09 2013 20:52 Caller wrote: lets kill rayn pls If you really want to kill me you should probably tell people why. Unless you can do that by yourself in which case you don't have to. It's gonna be a shame though if you do that. | ||
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Can i call you scum too by this? | ||
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On April 09 2013 21:31 Palmar wrote: it's possible he helped incriminate him, but that wasn't my statement was it? Then i don't really know what do you mean as geript also voted for VE amongst other guys. I think everyone who voted for VE got him killed. The guy who caused the double lynch did a lot of the job of curse, but that would be useless without someone telling why VE is scum and without people voting for VE don't you think? | ||
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On April 09 2013 21:54 Mocsta wrote: WTF is this shit Caller; or whoever initiated the double lynch, can ONLY be "Vote-Rigger" Palmar, I hope scum have an RB tonight; cos your dead. Caller is in fact showtime. I didn't check how many uses showtime had. Double lynch was caused by someone else. | ||
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I can give you the posts what made me think Caller is town if you really want. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=40#788 This one and -> until Caller's/Keirathi's argument ends. I liked Caller's posts because i think the exact same way about what he says, particularly scum usually being the most helpful people in thread. I have gone through many filters today and i have to say it's fucking hard to find anyone scummy there. If i had to bet for the scum now i'd say sn0_man is one, everyone else i looked into seemed town for me. | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:58 Sn0_Man wrote: After day 1 he's been trying to get Vivax lynched Day 1 he claimed framer and thats all I remember beyond a null impression and him posting some stuff I didn't agree with. While I did read the entire thread, it kinda blurs together when you blast through 50 pages from the weekend in one sitting. So you conveniently leave out the fact that half of his posts on D1 is saying "VE is scum" and he also wanted to lynch Artanis very badly.. ggnore | ||
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geript: If i get hit tonight you have the instructions on how to proceed. Make wise decisions! You will know what i mean! | ||
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On April 10 2013 09:52 geript wrote: Okay bro. Whoops. I actually meant Mocsta. Got confused about your names. :D | ||
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On April 04 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's say you try to pick CPRdoctor as #3. You get vanilla. You claim you tried to pick CPRdoctor and that you didn't get it when D1 starts. Scum have a member in #1 or #2. You just gave out the town CPRdoc. Scum can even random a kill on #1 or #2 and if the CPRdoc flips town, you have no way of knowing if the other guy is mafia, if the #3 picker is mafia. What's next? Do you kill those guys too? Just to be sure they are not lying? If not, why did you gave out scum role information in the first place? It was really funny that this was 100% what happened, and i think you (or someone) would have picked up the pieces when i flipped vanilla. :D Obviously you didn't get what i was trying to say in case i die as someone decided it was a good idea to jan N1 flips as town. gg, it was a funny game! | ||
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On April 19 2013 00:42 austinmcc wrote: D0 being the pregame? Before roles were given. On April 19 2013 00:43 Caller wrote: stop talking about how bad these guys were and more about how awesome me + goznaw + palmar were NEED EPEEN You were all awesome. Besides you calling me scum on N1. :D | ||
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On April 19 2013 00:51 Keirathi wrote: Oh yea, @scum: I'm assuming rayn was shot because you thought he was inventor? That was my intention, to get shot on N1, as i did not get the CPRdoc. I breadcrumbed Mocsta what role did i try to pick but the jan screwed that up. :/ I was kinda sure the guy from top 2 picked CPR was scum, just couldn't figure out which one of those two it was. :/ | ||
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On April 19 2013 00:58 Sn0_Man wrote: I find it funny that 2 townies who tried to deny scum roles (CPR and NRA) were both 1 pick below the scum who got said roles. I also find it funny that exactly 1 person (me) submitted inventor. I meant what I said pre-game (that I didn't really want to be inventor). I ended up deciding that as 1st overall pick I kinda had to take it, but it was close for a bit. I was gonna shoot scum with CPR. You kinda implied (that's what i thought) that you picked a KP role, that's why i wasn't sure of you and OO although i was leaning on OO being more likely scum than you by the end of N1. | ||
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