Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power

On April 03 2013 13:53 Mocsta wrote:

Not you!!

Im trying to reduce the spam OK!

On April 03 2013 23:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Just "bumping" my PSA that I'm picking [1][1] so if you don't want to pick dead last with me you should probably avoid joining me.

On April 04 2013 00:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's like rock paper scissors but I tell you before hand I'm picking rock.

DELICIOUS WIFOM.

On April 04 2013 14:32 yamato77 wrote:

The point of the game is winning. If you want to be retarded and pick a "cool" role and then proceed to use it to lose town the game, it is not fun for everyone else. Inhibiting mafia's ability to pick ridiculous roles is inherently necessary to ensuring that town succeeds. Don't be stupid.

You also fail to understand the mechanic. By assigning a player MOST or ALL people agree is probably town a role that MAIFA wants, we effectively deny mafia the role.

On April 04 2013 14:49 yamato77 wrote:
Is denying mafia a janitor role, which denies town CRUCIAL information (player's alignments) or getting a cop role, which gives one person in town UNRELIABLE information more important.

It pains ME to have to walk YOU through this. Mafia are hurt more through the denial of good roles than town are. Town's most powerful asset is INHERENT TO THE GAME, which is their ability to scumhunt.

Do you feel like you need to rely on a role to win as town? Do you feel that way as mafia? Think about these questions, and then come back to me with a more definite answer.

On April 04 2013 19:33 strongandbig wrote:
Afaik pyp games are often determined by "this bullshit". The picking phase strategy is a big part of the game.

And I sort of agree with denying scum roles, but we should limit it to one or maybe two roles, because if we have strong consensus townies early in the order then giving them actual good roles could be very powerful.

Also oats the draft order is public knowledge.

On April 04 2013 19:58 Restraining Order wrote:
The thing is denying mafia roles doesn't work too well anyways, and on top of that, if you try to coordinate it, it works even less.

The rolecop-rolevig combo alone has 2-3 possibilities on either end of the deal. (rolecop, capitalist, extractor & assassin, rolevig)
Sure, you might be a hero and get exactly the one they try to pick, but it's a crapshoot, and mafia inherently has the pickorder advantage due to possible coordination.

Rather, think about it like this: certain roles are not desireable for mafia to pick. Those roles, you don't pick early in the draft order. This includes all investigative roles (apart from rolecop), dreamflower, things like that. Not picking those in, say, the upper half, will mean more roles for town overall.
But having VTs is also very informative, so you really don't need to mind either way.

On April 04 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote:



K right.

So we could just assign roles to all the people.

And if they dont picked the assigned role, we kill them, and if they use their role in a way that benefits scum we kill them.

And this will totally break the game as PYP, no?

On April 04 2013 21:28 Caller wrote:

oi don't need to argue in specfc's, and i bloody don't need no traction. i'z just not gonna participate in yo shoddy scummy plan. dat' gonna ruin it neat as punch. I loik it when i can stomp on some git's planz without any effo't

On April 04 2013 22:10 Mocsta wrote:

Seriously, your starting to piss me off.

Find where I state I will believe the claim?

I am saying it is a tool that can be used to catch liars blah blah later down the track.

On April 04 2013 22:12 Mocsta wrote:

because its information.

just because we have it now, doesnt mean we need to process it now.

its something that can be stored away, and pulled out post flips, or watever.

im really surprised we have to comment about basics of mafia play here?

On April 04 2013 22:23 Mocsta wrote:

In my humble opinion; the two events are trying to achieve different outcomes.

mass Roleclaim: as far as I understand it, is an attempt to solve the game setup; and establish individuals as confirmed town/scum.

Forced VT claim: is an attempt to understand whether "key roles" are in the game. The action itself should not be used to establish individuals as confirmed town/scum.

I see a clear dichotomy.

On April 04 2013 22:27 Mocsta wrote:

I think where all this comes into play is that you are treating everything literally.

Perhaps when it comes to a "plan" that has not been fleshed out; that is the natural assumption to make. i.e. 1 hard rule that applies to all situations.

To me, the whole concept isnt black/white.

But thats the whole point of this discussion, to brainstorm / refine / implement.

Prior, I was not a fan of yam/sharrant force the draft pick plan. I still am not.

However, I do see merit if people choose to claim the role that made them VT. I am not trying to enforce this as mandatory by any means; I am hoping with enough information out there, people can make an informed decision for themselves.

On April 04 2013 22:36 Restraining Order wrote:

You mean, as opposed to claiming, you want people to claim. After you said claiming is nonsense and doesn't work.

On April 04 2013 22:41 Restraining Order wrote:

Am I mafia independently of the first sentence, or did I already try to get someone lynched without myself noticing?

On April 04 2013 22:46 Restraining Order wrote:

If I wanted to point out a person is mafia, I would have pointed out a person is mafia. However, I did no such thing.

On April 04 2013 23:07 Caller wrote:
alrighit guys i have an actual plan

its very simple: we kill the visceraeyes.

##vote:VisceraEyes

On April 04 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote:

He doesnt have 10 pages of filter yet.

I agree.

Even if I cant lynch him

On April 04 2013 23:22 Caller wrote:

he is mafia

vote for him or else you're scum

On April 04 2013 23:44 austinmcc wrote:
And for Oats, because I WOULD like to see most people state 3 powerful roles and WHY they want to deny those from mafia.

(1) CPR doc - In mafia hands this is a multi-shot vig but without accountability (america = multi-shot nuker but has to publicly out self). Doubles mafia KP, but secretly.

(2) Assassin - See above. Mafia knows all alignments, therefore this is a multi-shot vig without accountability.

(3) Janitor - Information from flips good for town. Lack of that information for town bad. LOTS of KP roles in this game, good chance that some townies will be firing as well as mafia maybe getting extra KP, so there's the chance to hide multiple flips.

(4) Role swapper/copy cat - These are dangerous only in that they can be used to get dangerous roles. Role swapper somewhat prevents town from denying mafia a role, but power still out of mafia hands for a night and the town role swapper then basically can DT check someone (if they've claimed, see if they're lying. If not, can you tell whether they've used their role, and in a townie/scummy way?). Copy cat another way to try and get a strong power passed down.

Roles that I considered but dont' think are as strong as they look:

(1) Hooker - Multi-shot vig without accountability. Stronger than the above because you CAN infect multiple targets. Weaker than the above because can be medic protected off. Also weaker than the above because, HOPEFULLY, if a townie knows he's going to die next cycle, he can be very vocal and is trustworthy/semi-confirmed-town (given that town hookers shouldn't be hooking willy-nilly, so we can assume he was targeted by a mafia hooker).

On April 04 2013 23:56 yamato77 wrote:

I've specifically addressed this point before, but I will reiterate.

You removed the draft order because of how you feel the game should be played. BC, then, made an obvious decision to NOT do that. Don't you think he has a reason for doing that? Should we just ignore possible advantages gained from setup just because we feel like it goes "against the spirit of the game"? If BC felt that way, why did he include the draft order? If he doesn't feel that way, why are you not trying your hardest to win? If it isn't against the rules, isn't it presumed by the host that it might happen?

On April 05 2013 00:03 Sharrant wrote:


And what, pray tell, is a more important way to spend our time at this very moment? What would you rather be discussing?

On April 05 2013 00:15 yamato77 wrote:

He's being disruptive to this discussion, just like you. You're just both doing it in different ways.

For you, at least, I expect a certain amount of repeating bad questions. Caller, I know little about, but that's the point of asking.

On April 05 2013 00:20 yamato77 wrote:

Do you want mafia getting all of the ridiculous OP roles and auto-winning the game?

I don't. So I plan against that happening.

On April 05 2013 00:27 yamato77 wrote:
ANYWAY, let's talk about Oats/Caller.

Pick one and call him mafia for a good reason. Gogo.

On April 05 2013 00:36 Caller wrote:
also if yamato flips, I'm pretty damn sure oats is mafia too.

On April 05 2013 00:41 Caller wrote:
just you two, actually, i withdraw any other accusations for now.

On April 05 2013 00:42 Caller wrote:
don't need to. it should be obvious.

On April 05 2013 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote:


I think we should be discussing which roles we want to deny but I dont think its alignment indicative at all.
Sorry if I didnt make that clear.

Ok on to the role denying part.

1. How many roles do we want to deny.
Im thinking either 2-3 I think it gets substantial less useful as a strategy the more roles you want to deny
2. Which are those roles?
Im thinking the same as Redux
CPR doc and Janitor basically.

On April 05 2013 01:28 geript wrote:
Right, if we get people to choose from a list even if mafia go early, they have a problem selecting from a list above them and must instead pick from a list below them. While they'll be able to coordinate things as such, it still makes them pick less powerful roles in general instead of more powerful roles.

On April 05 2013 01:32 Caller wrote:
all i know is that i'm going to a pick a role that will let me kill a certain two scum day 1

On April 05 2013 01:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Hai

rolepicking is stupid and doesn't work, thanks for spamming the thread.

So let's move on to why people are calling Caller scum when it's pretty clear he's not.

Anyone wanna take credit for that... Bueller? Bueller?

On April 05 2013 02:20 Vivax wrote:
1st of all: Sharrant requested roles like america to not be picked by town. No, scum can use it before getting lynched, so it doesn't matter if it outs them. Town needs the best of the best of the best, sir.

My idea: We get to an agreement about a few of the towniest mofos based on activity, interest and good ideas, and accept that they will roll the highest possible numbers and nobody who is town must roll the same.

That will leave a mixed pool of null/scum. Scum's main target will be to stop these elected townies from having these roles, so they will try to use the same draft, maybe while another teammate sends in other numbers to try and snatch the role.

That's where the null townies come into play. They will never use the same numbers as the elected townie mofos, forcing scum to waste their picks on taking away good roles from good townies by using the same numbers, leaving a limited amount of scum who will indeed try to roll good shit, and who has to affront a horde of townies who are less likely to take good roles away from each other.

Bad side: People might not give a fuck about the plan, and people might disagree on someone most believe to be town.

On April 05 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

nonono..

The most towniest guys obviously pick 1,2,3, etc..

On April 05 2013 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

As i said the guys top in drafting order are gonna fall fast, thay have the "best" roles after all (or at least likely). If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's good for town? Doesn't it hurt your team? If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's bad for town? Doesn't it draw suspicion to you?

On April 05 2013 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think bad plans are coming from town or from mafia? Why?

On April 05 2013 02:58 Vivax wrote:
@ Caller

Reading OP helped a little with that.

The idea is good, there's not really much incentive for mafia to make plans or post at all at this stage. They have an excuse for not being active cause they might say they regard draft discussion as unimportant, so rayn's candidates are good choices. They spontaneously try to get the best out of the game, and if they push bad ideas they might look scummy, as rayn said.

Still have to read them in detail, but this argument holds anyway, given that activity and intention to influence thread are there, argument quality aside.

On April 05 2013 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So what exactly are you saying? Is there scum in the list i proposed?

On April 05 2013 03:04 Keirathi wrote:

I'll be completely honest and say I hate plans like this.

The game is called Pick YOUR Power. Not Let Everyone Else Pick Your Power For You.

For one, I just don't see everyone agreeing, and to me it just ruins the fun of the game type.

For instance, take a look at all others that "chimed in" with "pro-town plans" and stuff.....yet made absolutely no impact at all in the game
It's possible you'll find your first scums in there (if not on the inactive/"bored" players as well).

On April 05 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Nobody is saying what you should pick. I am suggesting that 5 players get to pick first. Is that a good plan or not and are the players town/mafia in your opinion?

There are like 100 - or something - roles. If you don't get your favourite pick i'm sure you can find something else that suits you.

On April 05 2013 03:19 Vivax wrote:
Supporting gonzaw and rayn for high picks so far. Objections?

I suggest everyone makes a list of his top 5 townreads to send in highest numbers, and we find the ones most agree on.

If there's someone mostly suggesting scum in his list, we will find out later.

That's why scum will try to stop this plan.

1. Rayn
2. Gonzaw
3. Vivax (duh)
4.-5. : To find out.

On April 05 2013 03:19 gonzaw wrote:


Prove what? Who is scum out of those "non-productive plan-sayers"?
That will have to wait my young student. Patience is a virtue...
...it shouldn't be hard to realize though, almost everybody chimed in with some "plan" or another, yet I (and I think most of you) can't even remember who those were or what they proposed or what they did to push it or push discussion forward.

Anyways see ya in 7-8 hours

On April 05 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The fact that they do not die in the first couple of cycles and there is going to be cops and stuff anyways.

On April 05 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is like a scumclaim.

On April 05 2013 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why the fuck would top 5 choose the same thing?
How is CPRdoc bad for town?
What do you exactly want? Everyone to claim what they pick? If not, how are you doing anything different than what i proposed? Except that in my proposition the top 5 picks are most likely town.

On April 05 2013 03:37 Restraining Order wrote:

You must have forgotten, but you also think I'm mafia.

On April 05 2013 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

1. Yes it is, imo. I can see though why you disagree. IT'S A FUCKING UNLIMITED NIGHT VIGI! It's better that town has it than that scum has it.
2. So how do you propose we avoid this? With top 2-3 claiming what they picked? That's just dumb.
3. Why not let 5-8 or whatever deny the roles good for scum? If they have been picked, we know they are in play and possibly in scum hands.

On April 05 2013 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats if you are town i suggest you think really hard what you are saying right now..

On April 05 2013 03:50 geript wrote:
Oats, you're really starting to feel like BH last game.

On April 05 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I agree with CPRdoc.
Why is it more beneficial for town to have top 1-3 to deny voterigger/janitor than them picking a good role like Inventor and have 4-7 worry about those roles?

On April 05 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you are town you might want to read into RO, Caller, Oats atm.

On April 05 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No. Scum want to have a good variety of roles that are strong and work well together. For example medic is a fucking good role to scum, but not picked in the first ~6 slots (because you basically out yourself by doing so). I agree that there are many ways for scum to play this game, that's why i don't want to tell anyone what to pick. That's come up later when analyzing players.

(because you basically out yourself by doing so)

On April 05 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

BLARFFFFFFFFFFFFFF........ Someone in the mid section is gonna pick medic anyways and that'll come out at some point. If you were #3 picking medic you were dumb, or scum.

On April 05 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it. I'm not gonna discuss scum strategies here. It's for you to figure out how to play this setup as scum if you are one..

If someone from town does pick this, you will 100% be held accountable for your shots. If you're going to use it, you better be DAMN sure.

On April 05 2013 15:26 Keirathi wrote:

Maybe an addendum:

If you launch one, and you hit town, then you get lynched no questions asked.

On April 05 2013 15:27 yamato77 wrote:
Rayn is probably town. He's an idiot at times, but eh. I don't think he'd be so spammy and carefree as scum.

Vivax' town read of him is not that odd. What is odd about Vivax is that he's not screaming at someone for being scum yet.

On April 05 2013 15:31 Keirathi wrote:

The problem with this is that I think he was either drunk or high. Its easy to make bad decisions that you normally wouldn't make when you're fucked up.

But he was basically just quoting a "Scumtells For Dummies" book at people while yelling scum.

Who knows. Hopefully he calms down tomorrow.

On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you.

On April 05 2013 15:48 Mocsta wrote:

Oats,

I just find stuff like this really disruptive Oats.

Like fair enough, the points you raise have validity; but the iron fist manner in which you are dropping those points; in my opinion acts to cease discussion.

Your essentially coming across as: my way, or the highway.

As I said before, some of your points this game have been very valid; I just think you need to work more on trying to develop others ideas to a common ground, rather than just.. shit on it.

On April 05 2013 16:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Man, my plan was to pick justice vig if somebody ruined my 1,1 pick.

Now that I can't, I have to pick something. Somehow town wants to avoid people picking the awesome roles because they are afraid it could be scum picking them? TBH that seems a bit off. Also the whole "Deny scum" picks seem sketchy since High-drafing scum can "Deny" them to town by picking them. Unless you guys want a complete announcement of who is picking what beforehand (which would actually be pretty sweet IMO but I don't think we have time to arrange it. The reason it would be sweet is because Scum are already less likely to get vanilla'd, so it might help to get town as juiced as possible).

PS I haven't watched any Boardwalk Empire so it's kinda hard for me to figure out what power might be more powerful in my hands. I'll re-read the list with that in mind.

On April 05 2013 17:59 Palmar wrote:
ok I have a plan.

details tomorrow.

On April 05 2013 19:56 Vivax wrote:
Hi

8 1 here

this needs to undergo psychological experimentation.

On April 05 2013 20:07 Vivax wrote:
I might take a look at the numbers and try to riddle which people were "too lucky to be town", and correlate it to their attitudes towards each other.

@ mocsta


Didn't agree with all of rayn's list, sharrant for example. But yamato, you and geript were good calls imo. And I don't think scum would play like rayn did, it's that simple.

On April 05 2013 20:25 Vivax wrote:
Cool, Oats apparently didn't read my posts but keeps saying I'm scum.

On April 05 2013 20:43 Vivax wrote:


Do you know why I said you don't read my posts?
You seem to have a decent chance at being scum for disruptive play. I'd just not be used to a ballsy scum Oats.

On April 05 2013 21:00 Palmar wrote:


it's a hilarious plan.

On April 05 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:


The game hasn't started, I'm hardly reading the thread much.

On April 05 2013 22:15 Mocsta wrote:
Vivax, the original question was from OO, not me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=34#662

Further, I am inclined to agree with Oats. The response above does not resolve the outstanding issue.
In fact, it makes me more curious.

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(1)
OO was concerned about why Rayn was your #1
i.e. he noticed a valid contradiction in what each of you deemed as strong town

A response to this is still outstanding.

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(2)My concern was that your top 5 did not match the top5 of rayn.
However, your response above indicates that at specific point in time - you agreed with 3 of the rayn reads.

The stories are not matching up.

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(3)I'm still curious about this one. Interesting as well that you chose to respond to this post, but not this point.

On April 05 2013 22:53 Mocsta wrote:

Cos thats been your piece de resistance for contributions thus far.

On April 05 2013 22:56 austinmcc wrote:
I was [8][4]

Having people take KP roles and then lynching them if they ever hit town is sillypants. I have not seen any multi-shot vigis hit only scum. And vigis probably aren't even 50/50 across the board hitting scum with the first shot. So instead, what we get is someone who THINKS that they're going to do better than the average vigi, probably still hits town, and then we spend a lynch killing a townie who thought he could be an outlier. Even if you choose vigi and shoot scum then town, congrats. We are now supposed to lynch you and than means we lost 2 townies for one scum player AND had to use a lynch on you. Don't like town KP roles using it, because scum NEEDS extra KP flying around to win. Don't like planning for what happens if town KP roles use it, because they shouldn't be, except in corner cases where we have investigations we trust or something of that sort.

On April 05 2013 23:18 austinmcc wrote:
I am suggesting that town don't use KP. There will be corner cases - DT checks, possibly to keep any heavy lurkers we have out of the lynch discussion later on by shooting them a couple days in, etc.

But in general, I don't think town should be firing off KP because, imo, the more quick deaths the better for scum this game. A longer game in which people have roles, we have checks, we have confirmations of role uses and whatnot, is going to favor town. It simply gets more and more difficult to hide that you chose a mafia-favored role or used your role in a mafia-ish manner. So the longer the game goes, better for town, therefore the less KP thrown around, better for town.

If someone really wants to hero it up with KP, there's the magical compulsive scum-only vigi in the game. There's the assassin. I think it's BETTER for town to take the normal KP roles and not use them, because of the above paragraph, but if the only thing you're going to do this game is grab a KP role, flop your e-peen on the table, and shoot scum, then use one of those two roles. That way you don't hit townies and we don't need to discuss policy lynching people who shoot townies.

On April 05 2013 23:36 austinmcc wrote:
I rarely see ACTUAL policy lynches go through, though. Nor has everyone agreed to this. It seems much more like what would happen is townies die and then we have a whole side conversation every day about who shot the townie and who needs to get policy lynched and blah blah blah.

Given past results, I don't think a policy would stop behavior, and I don't think we'd follow through on the policy. We've already got a game with 5 scum and a couple players known for trolling, I don't see the upside of adding policy lynch targets to that mix balancing out the upside of people just not shooting.

On April 05 2013 23:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oats I can't actually believe your argument is just "policy hurr durr." NOBODY listens to "policy" bullshit, the only people policy lynches ever kill are idiotic townies.

Have you ever seen LAL lynch a scum? Have you ever seen the current plan you're spouting work? Hint hint, the vast majority of the time they just kills idiots trying to be scum. Now before you say "but meapak scum can just make that argument to get away" I'll say this, scum are typically too scared to try it outside of a few fantastic players, none of whom are in this game.

I'm on my phone otherwise I'd find an appropriate pict

On April 06 2013 00:10 Caller wrote:
you guys should stop arguing about this because im going to do what i want, shoot what i want, nuke what i want, and say what i want. so no point arguing.

On April 06 2013 00:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Its too bad you're so far down the list oats, I'd love to see how fast you'd break your own rule if you had kp.

On April 06 2013 00:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
For the record I'm not a fan of anybody with kp just blowing shit up as they please, however what I'm saying is that hitting a townie as a vig by itself is not enough to just kill someone.

People are stupid and townies make mistakes. Obviously scum can say they made a mistake but if they're scum then that vig shot won't be the only thing they've done wrong.

On April 06 2013 01:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

That's literally what I've been saying. You can't use the shot to determine everything. Try and read my posts please.

On April 06 2013 23:55 Mocsta wrote:
If you want to call him town, you are going to have to lay down some justification.
"BM totes town" is not good enough.

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All i see if a guy who thread contributions can be summarised in 3 short points

(1) Useless spam - null by itself
(2) Useless list post - null by itself
(3) Useless Geript meta read - null by itself

All 3 points summate to a value greater than the individual parts.

i.e. It equates to a mindset indicative of both laziness; and wanting to blend in without actually contributing.

When questioned about his useless read on Geript; he then retaliates by throwing ad-hominem remarks.. showing another aspect of his scum mindset - lack of accountability.

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So Oats, indulge me on why you think none of the above makes BM scum.

On April 07 2013 01:35 Mocsta wrote:

I'm saying this because at least 3 ppl are in 2games currently.
Yes.inactivty is not a scum tell.
But i will not let..
coming in to contribute without reading the thread properly is just plain bullshit and hiding behind..well shit in other game got heated.. Is not an excuse now or later.

On April 07 2013 02:13 yamato77 wrote:
The correct analysis of the BM/Palmar situation is that BM is essentially alignment-null from his current posting, given that his spamminess and lack of explanation for his reads could come from scum or town, and only a real look into his meta could define the difference.

Palmar's analysis is a point against Palmar, because while he attempts to include meta, it is half-assed and not representative of both BM's town and scum games. Palmar lacks effort in this game, as I've said before, but it making a conscious effort to post SOMETHING, but the stuff he is posting is not meaningful at all. It only serves to give the appearance that he's active and interested, which I don't think town Palmar would even care to appear.

On April 07 2013 02:16 yamato77 wrote:

1) Stop spamming. You're capable of playing better than this, so do it.

2) I'm not reading your posts.

On April 07 2013 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay geript let's talk about this. You think I'm scum. I know I'm not. What's up?

On April 07 2013 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:

But that's just it - because no one was ever in danger of dying, the game had NOT started in spite of everyone receiving their alignments. Without the fear of death, there is no pressure, and without pressure there is no scumhunting. It's just that simple.

On April 07 2013 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
You guys are fuckign retarded I posted a case on RO that no one wants to coment on yet I'm the one doing nothing. Get real.

On April 07 2013 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever. Kill me then. I can't hunt scum while not a single person in the entire game is taking me seriously.

##Vote: RestrainingOrder

On April 07 2013 04:40 gonzaw wrote:


Oats, can you tell me where your position against Vivax is? I don't really want to wade through 7 pages of your filter to see them.
Or make a condensed post with your thoughts about him and justifying your vote, etc.

Vivax is being uncharacteristically "sane" and "not totally disruptive".
It's off-putting considering my experience with his town play.
He posts "normal" stuff, normal enough for both scum and town to post it. That in itself is null, considering the draft phase, and thus would need more info on this D1 phase.
But again, it's "weird" considering what (in my mind) uncharacteristic of his his play i (those "normal" posts of his follow that as well)

On April 07 2013 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh cool, and you want to out my role to the thread. Neat.

Seriously fuck this game.

On April 07 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote:

Seriously man.. you have an 8 page filter of blunt statements.

You need to start fleshing things out if you want ppl to sheep you.

Otherwise, if you want your standard play where you sheep others; comment on Rayn/SnB/Sinani

On April 07 2013 16:08 gonzaw wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400346&user=19729

lol Artanis is playing NOTHING LIKE his town play in British 2

Do you have anything specific about it that makes me wrong? It seems it only makes me more sure he's scum >_>

On April 07 2013 17:42 gonzaw wrote:


No, Vivax is acting "normal", as in like what any other normal player would act normally in a normal game.
He makes some sense at times as well

Remembering back on LIX.....this is surprising and very very weird.
Maybe he just got better? I dunno
He's not obvs town like others, but he's certainly not the "scummiest shit" in the game, and I'd leave him be until he does something else besides his push of RO (which he apparently backed out of, thus he needs to do something, and we need to watch closely what he does)

On April 07 2013 18:27 Palmar wrote:
list of probable townies:

gonzaw
geript
mocsta
vivax

that leaves me with 20 possible lynch targets. I really need to figure out more people who I don't think are scum.

On April 07 2013 18:39 Palmar wrote:
VE is very far from likely town.

Shut up Oats.

On April 07 2013 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I have a plan but none of the hosts have seen fit to answer my questions about 2 roles in the game and their mechanics.

On April 07 2013 22:58 Mocsta wrote:
P.s.

U r right. Ur response was fine, it indeed made a effort to address each point.
Its why I have no requirement to question u further.

Its simple. The retort to gonzaw case was written from a scummy viewpoint.

Its obvious u put in effort. Unfortunately u couldn't remove yourself from the Mafia mindset.
Ur retort makes it clear u are doing things for town cred and are fully aware of how ur actions are perceived.
But in general the whole tone taken for the defence is of a guy with inherent guilt.

I'm going to bed. Will re read the exchange in the morning. But I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the same vibe.

That u so scummy.

Nite

On April 08 2013 00:00 Palmar wrote:
Ok here's the deal. I'm not going to do much today, which is unfortunate.

Also I completely misunderstood a role in the game so what I wanted to do cannot happen.

Mocsta and Gonzaw are the two most towniest fuckers in this game I think, so I'm going to sheep either of them today, or preferably both if they agree on a lynch.

On April 08 2013 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote:

Is this two separate questions?

I'm in the middle of going over gonzaw's case on Artanis, I had kinda a town read on Artanis based on his case on geript, but that's probably because I'm irrational about geript thinking I'm scum for inactivity and I have a bad habit of just taking large posts as decent contributions without really looking at them

Palmar thinks I'm not town like every game I play with him and he's afraid to push lynches these days anyway...not so much concerned about Palmar "insisting" I'm not town.

The case against Shelvocke is another I feel like I can get behind, but again, I'm afraid I like it because he thinks I'm scum and would like to hear other opinions on him. His first post against me (^ Mafia) just seemed like a weak +1 to thread sentiment, and he has done virtually nothing besides.

On April 08 2013 20:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oats can you explain to me why scum Vivax would willingly change his meta from his usual unreadable self?

On April 09 2013 00:20 Mocsta wrote:

Nope.

Your comment was incorrect; and miscontrued a point.

Artanis is nothing like the Kurumi in personality

On April 09 2013 00:48 austinmcc wrote:
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It is not terribly important whether this is similar to the yamato/kurumi shot in Personality 2. This is a different game, and I don't think either of you can go from proving your point as to whether it's similar --> scumhunting effectively in this game.

So please, drop it.

On April 09 2013 03:08 Sn0_Man wrote:


Thats absolutely not what I said but w/e.

On April 09 2013 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah the thread did conclude that like 2 pages after it happened, which showed that more than a few people didn't even read the role we were discussing. There were definitely people postulating that it was NRA.

On April 09 2013 04:11 geript wrote:
Ok guys, we have 3 more to go. Let's do this.

On April 09 2013 04:19 geript wrote:
Off the top of my head the people I want to look at are: yamato, caller, shelvocke, austinmcc, bill murray, sinani

On April 09 2013 03:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
He looks useless this game, but from what I could tell the heart of all the arguments against him are meta arguments, which I can't comment on because I've never played a game with him nor have I read one sufficiently to have any meta on him.

I have a pretty null read on him, but I'll say that he is a better lynch than artanis (who has not cleared himself but who has at least put up a real defense) and a better lynch than many other people simply because of the amount of discussion surrounding him (aka it would be an informative lynch as compared to, say, a shevlocke lynch which I don't see as producing much valuable information by flipping). Which is why as I've said I may vote VE if it comes to that. Right now I want people to lynch Sinani though so I'm in no rush to vote VE.

On April 09 2013 04:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
See, this is why I wanted to play PYP.

On April 09 2013 05:32 geript wrote:
@Oats you just finished a Hydra with Austin right? What's your read on him?

On April 09 2013 16:53 yamato77 wrote:

CONFIRMED TOWN RIGHT HERE

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