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rolepicking is stupid and doesn't work, thanks for spamming the thread. So let's move on to why people are calling Caller scum when it's pretty clear he's not. Anyone wanna take credit for that... Bueller? Bueller? | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: 3 scum reads: Caller, RO, Oats. Why On April 05 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote: this whole discussion is stupid until we get the drafting list btw yes Gonzaw would you mind telling me what you think of oats, artanis, sharrant, and decondou? Would like to hear someone else's thoughts. | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:10 gonzaw wrote: Yo how about YOU tell me what you think of them? You can't force the wise man to do your bidding, he forces you to do his, and then enlightens you or punishes you accordingly ![]() I have to agree with yamato on Oats. Makes little sense for scum Oats to "intentionally disrupt" town like this in the drafting phase for no reason (if he's scum), rather than doing so when it matters to them: The Day phase. No reason to call him scum right now, wait until the game actually "matters" to state so. So you 5 guys are you sending the 1-5 draft choices? If so it may be better to claim so you don't clash between each other, and so you can convince other people not to take those as well (I already changed my number). I guess it's too late though, meh. I initially had a pretty bad feeling about oats, however he's just been too loud for me to think he's scum at this point. I'm rather suspicious of artanis, I actually wanted an opinion on sharrant because I have him as a complete null, and decondou was a red herring which I threw out on a whim. In hindsight you'd be too smart to go for it as scum anyway ![]() currently I have rayn as probable town since I've learned that the most annoying people tend to be town. That being said, I also really don't think RO is scummy. Also for the record, I'm not trying to force a wise man to do my bidding, just wanna check in with someone who completely played me before :D | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:53 yamato77 wrote: Justify your suspicion on Artanis. He's hiding in plain sight. On April 05 2013 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is bad town or scum. Artanis is .. hmm.. idk.. sharrant almost definitely town. deconduo, leaning on scum at him. RO = scum. kill him <3 ![]() See that rayn^ That's a train. Think of that train as your current case on RO ![]() See that rayn^ That's a train crash. That's what happens when you tunnel without a real case. Out of curiosity, are there any posts of decondou's that stick out to you that made you think he was scummy? | ||
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Regardless I'm going to bed. | ||
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People rolefishing already is pretty fishy (harhar) in my eyes. | ||
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Have you ever seen LAL lynch a scum? Have you ever seen the current plan you're spouting work? Hint hint, the vast majority of the time they just kills idiots trying to be scum. Now before you say "but meapak scum can just make that argument to get away" I'll say this, scum are typically too scared to try it outside of a few fantastic players, none of whom are in this game. I'm on my phone otherwise I'd find an appropriate pict | ||
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People are stupid and townies make mistakes. Obviously scum can say they made a mistake but if they're scum then that vig shot won't be the only thing they've done wrong. | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote: It doesnt work that way MZ. Vig shots are inherently not alignment indicative, whether a dude shot or not does not make him townier or scummier. Its WHO he shoots, AND his actions before the shot. That's literally what I've been saying. You can't use the shot to determine everything. Try and read my posts please. | ||
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The vibe I get from RO is that he's someone who's smurfing and thinks he's pretty good so he's trying to emulate the current vet meta where you insult the thread and don't give a lot of reads. Keep that in mind everyone who is accusing him, everyone wants to be protactinium, and anonymously win the game and then claim who they are later. He could still be scum but the evidence atm doesn't convince me. VE: holy crap how many times have I seen VE mislynched for doing almost exactly the same thing. His more recent posts about not caring about the game are like textbook VE. Yes I will concede, there is a very good case on him, but you all need to understand my own personal history with VE: I've been that guy who railroaded a d1 lynch against town VE before and I can tell you, it's really easy. idk what it is about VE but he's like the biggest lynch bait currently playing. Now here are some people who are worth looking into, Shevlocke and Vivax. More on them after the break. oh also FOS:raynpelikoneet <-- this dude is slippery, but idk if I can make a case yet. | ||
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regardless, be back in a bit | ||
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On April 04 2013 12:44 Shelvocke wrote: Pick what you want when you want. By making a list and saying "no townie pick these", all you do is allow mafia to pick up extremely strong roles at the end of the draft. Trying to deny roles by directly assigning specific numbered spots is even worse due to the sheer number of roles that can steal, copy, or redirect. This isn't even considering the fact that there are too many strong mafia roles to deny all of them. On April 04 2013 13:19 Shelvocke wrote: Lettuce ask a very simple question here. How does one assign a role to a player who could conceivably pick at any spot? On April 04 2013 13:23 Shelvocke wrote: There are several other roles that can cause problems for people who roleclaim, and you would do very well to think about that. You also have not noticed one of the most dangerous combinations in this game that prevents plans like the one you have. On April 04 2013 13:42 Shelvocke wrote: As far as I know, that's not how assassin works. It requires the person to either say "Red" or their role name. I'd rather not share what the combination is, as it's a bit unusual and I doubt if anyone on mafia will be easily able to figure it out. But the fact that I was able to think of it definitely means that someone else might also recognize it. On April 05 2013 04:09 Shelvocke wrote: The reason why this plan is awful goes beyond how well you can identify 5 town reads 16 hours in when setup is the only thing to talk about (which is simply pitifully if you arent aware). There is simply no way to force people to pick specific numbers. I wont be following it. What do these posts have in common? They are all worthless. Now this wouldn’t be such a problem except that he also has these posts: On April 05 2013 11:17 Shelvocke wrote: [8][2] How the hell am I below mocsta. On April 07 2013 06:44 Shelvocke wrote: In Pick Your Power Insane, three mafia all picked the same first number. It's not a valid argument. So there have been two options to speculate about worthless things so far (picking plans and who got what numbers), and shevlocke has jumped on them both. Does he have any reads? Thus far his one “scum read” is VE . His argument against VE is “he’s faking contributions by talking about irrelevant things” this is exactly what shevlocke himself has been doing which is ironic. So let’s quickly review, shevlocke has posted about both of the worthless topics the thread has discussed so far. On top of that, he accuses his only scum read of doing exactly what he himself is doing. Shevlocke is doing his best to blend in by providing “opinions” on the things that don’t matter and his one read is completely worthless. We’re not too far into day 1 but I want shevlocke’s name out there as a lynch candidate. | ||
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On April 07 2013 15:13 yamato77 wrote: Going to bed. When I wake up tomorrow, I'm taking a look at this list of people: VE PALMAR SINANI MEAPAK AUSTIN One of them will get lynched. You should probably "take a look" at the whole game while you're at it since only sinani even closely resembles a decent lynch. | ||
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I'd like more people to comment on my shevlocke case which, while I feel it is weaker than the artanis case, is my number two suspect. I also feel that vivax is scummy, however he's like number three on my list. Two people I want opinions on are Strongandbig and sharrant. Not sure what to make of either of them atm. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:47 gonzaw wrote: [...] Also, yamato+rayn+Sharrant, i'm disappoint son ![]() You guys spent I dunno how many hours discussing shit in the drafting phase, yet now you guys disappear and do shit (I guess this applies to yamato the least, but I don't remember him being as active as before, at least comparing to Mocsta for instance). I want to highlight this section of the post, there are a lot of people who were very active or even slightly active during the picking phase but have now dropped out of sight. Now I could understand that a townie would be discouraged if they didn't get the role they wanted and are now a bit less invested in the game, however this is also an excellent cover for scum to lurk under. I'd love if yamato, rayn, sharrant, obviousone, and snoman could give us their thoughts on the current cases being discussed. What do you think of Artanis? What do you think of Shevlocke? What do you think of Vivax? Are there any people you consider scum who are not currently up for lynch today? | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:17 austinmcc wrote: You have had a lot of posts I've liked, and we have agreed on a couple things this game that make me feel good about you. But this post in particular feels weak. You earlier wanted to lynch artanis based on gonzaw's case, with shelvocke as a second choice based on your case and perhaps some of what I brought up. Now you go buddy-mode and say that there are good points being made about "people have cases made about them" that get forgotten, when the "people" at issue are your top and second lynch candidate allegedly. That seems...very uninvested in your reads? I've been suspicious of artanis since the beginning of the game, gonzaw's case crystallized a lot of what I was feeling. The second part of my post is garbled I guess. I was basically trying to say today we kill one of shevlocke/artanis and tomorrow kill the other. I want to avoid the thread "forgetting" about people (and by people I'm really just talking about shevlocke/artanis). Keep in mind that just because the people are my top two candidates doesn't mean that they're everyone's top two candidates, there's plenty of time for the cases to get buried and forgotten. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:35 gonzaw wrote: Meapak why aren't you voting Artanis then? Forgot to lol Anyway I'm gonna be out for a while, don't do anything stupid while I'm gone people ![]() | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:06 Palmar wrote: I still think VE is scum. Disengaged VE has almost always been scum. I actually am starting to feel this might be the case. My previous read on VE was based on the activity level and contributions at the time I had read the thread. Now it's been uncharacteristically long since I've seen him in the thread and like Palmar says, VE is more likely to be scum when he isn't here as much. VE I'm gonna need some good quality reads out of you as well as some serious contribution or I'm gonna start thinking you don't care. And if you don't care then you're scum. | ||
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@Yamato. I'm really tired with you calling me scum and never backing it up, come up with some reasons or shut up. | ||
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He's an idiot for one, right now I have a lot of people (Artanis, Shevlocke, Vivax, Sharrant, VE etc.) who I care more about than yamato. He's been largely afk after an active start. I hate using this because I feel like it's a cop out but I'm just gonna put him as null and come back to it when it actually matters. | ||
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On April 08 2013 14:59 yamato77 wrote: I have you as scum because you're commenting on me calling you scum a million times and yet your contributions to anything in the thread are shallow at best. Do something. eh I guess you're still stupid. Of course I'm commenting on you calling me scum, you've called me scum but never justified it, your reasons for calling me scum are self fulfilling. I've contributed ten times more than you have to the actual relevant discussion that has occurred today. Done talking to you until you can either a) write an actual case about me or b) come up with some interesting reads (other than sheeping me and gonzaw on artanis). | ||
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![]() You're the one holding paper sounding like an idiot. The rest of the thread is the guy sitting in back who actually can't believe that something that stupid was said. I'll be back tomorrow. | ||
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##Nuke: austinmc To everyone who has called me scum: ![]() | ||
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I tried to kill him for the same reason I was gonna try and kill decon if he had lived, he tried to move attention away from artanis. | ||
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Shevlocke that was a dickish thing to do. Ok so here's the story, I have really no motivation to defend myself atm for rather obvious reasons. In the mason group we had discussed austin a fair bit and I just wanted to get him out of the way and have a productive day not spent with the three of us having to herd the cats in this thread in order to get the lynch. Obviously this didn't work out. I'm fine dying to prove my alignment, I'd rather not but I understand that to certain people who can't see through multiple layers of this game I'm still somehow a good lynch and I don't feel like spending a lot of time changing their minds. I will spend the following section on my defense: austin would have been an excellent shot had the check not proved us wrong. He tried very hard for artanis not to get lynched, in fact he was one of the only people who actually made a decent argument against it, he acknowledged VE but instead latched onto my posts about shevlocke and pushed them hard. with the flips, austin looked incredibly bad, and rather than try and fix his reads during the night phase he instead chose to mostly lurk. So I wanted to quickly render him irrelevant at the start of the day so we could have a more productive lynch. That obviously failed. To address the people who want me dead; you have no case on me, you've never had a case on me, and you never will have a case on me. A mistake doesn't make me scum and your attempts to kill me for a very transparent mistake which I've explained just display your own ignorance of the game as a whole. I will remind you all that I was the first person to call out artanis and I never backed away from that read when the heat started to pick up on him. Similarly, I was evolving on my position on VE without any scum motivation to do so; i.e. I did so before it became obvious VE was scum. That's all I'm gonna say in my own defense. Moving forward I'm going to continue to without addressing this issue anymore. If people want me dead that's fine, this post is all I have for a defense and it would be pointless for me to spam about it. From here I really need to do some revaluation, I was only looking as far forward as artanis/shevlocke/austin/decon but since 2 are dead, 1 is dying, and the fourth I'm pretty sure is town, I have to spend some time to figure out the remaining 2-3 (probably 2) scum. I will not promise to never use the America role again, however if I do use it again, it will be after much more consideration and consultation with the thread. That's all, it's late, I'm somewhat surprised to be alive, I will resume scum hunting tomorrow. | ||
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Today I'm voting for vivax and obviousone. Vivax was talked about a lot in the mason qt so I feel pretty comfortable with him. Obviousone because I'm not ready to kill s&b yet even though I'm somewhat suspicious of him because he can prove his role by getting more good checks in the future. Before you ask what's the difference between vivax and s&b, I feel that vivax's role is a muuuch easier role to fake as scum. | ||
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Given caller's reads I have a really hard time seeing him as scum. | ||
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