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+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2013 13:00 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 12:57 Vivax wrote:Think of it from this point of view: The last scum doesn't concede cause he thinks he's not getting lynched anytime soon and wants to have some fun watching town burn a little. I'm currently reviewing yamato: On April 07 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:
Palmar's comment on VE, even if VE is scum, is also no reason to think him town. It's a passing comment made that follows thread sentiment. In no way is Palmar taking that read of VE seriously. This looks like something premature to say when you don't have knowledge of VE's alignment. It looks like yamato tried to take credit away from Palmar even before VE got lynched. Yamato CANNOT be normal scum. It's impossible. S&B had a green+VT check on him. VT's can't get extra bonuses. Yamato could be a traitor, but to have known that VE was scum at that point, he would have had to have already been recruited. Which I don't find very likely, looking at his filter.
That would fit the profile of a guy who doesn't expect to get lynched soon: Someone with a green check.
Yamato was the last one to pick. Why not pick godfather? Conservative choice, and guaranteed to not have been taken away by a townie.
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I'm like 90 % sure you didn't read through yamato before posting that garbage.
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^ that was to mocsta
You have the ability to cover a player, changing their role and alignment to anything you want. You can choose to appear as a role of your choice (including vanilla townie) to any and all types of detective-esque actions.
I read it like this:
GF can manipulate other's alignments and additionally has his usual ability, but as passive
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Does it look like yamato meant what he wrote?
On April 08 2013 17:18 yamato77 wrote:
Any of Artanis/VE/Sinani will do as a lynch today, but gonzaw being shot does lend a certain weight to the Artanis lynch that I like.
On April 08 2013 17:50 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, let's talk about something else.
What's your read on Sinani?
On April 08 2013 18:06 yamato77 wrote:
So aside from Sinani, who else would you lynch today?
Has anything changed from earlier, with Shelvocke and VE being on your radar?
On April 08 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote:
Well, aside from Rayn, it's rather unsettling how much you seem to agree with me.
I may want to take this lynch in a different direction, and Sinani seems like a good one.
BRB, case.
On April 08 2013 18:13 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote:
gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is? This post alone is enough for me, actually. ##Vote Sinani
On April 09 2013 04:47 yamato77 wrote:
Look at how Shelvocke came in and unvoted Artanis
Does that seem natural to you as a town player?
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This post came right before that pile up there
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 17:37 yamato77 wrote:
The timing is a moot point, because with an AFK host in BC, the shot could have been sent at any point.
I'll give you that it seems like an assassin kill, more than anything else, but you can't know for sure.
You think it gives leverage to pushing your lynch, but that completely depends on general thread sentiment. What do you think was more likely, considering he was the most active person in pushing your lynch and was also fairly rigid in his belief? Do you think the wagon falling apart and town losing direction was more likely, or do you think me coming in and reaffirming the strength of the lynch is more likely? I have openly admitted that I was content not taking the lead, so why would mafia think that at all?
To some extent, this is WIFOM on the kill, yes, but I'm fairly certain that keeping the lynch headed your way is a good thing. Mafia wanted to lead town astray by killing Gonzaw, but I'm not going to let it happen.
Yamato totally means what he writes.
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On April 15 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, Moc went over this
No, I'm not mafia.
It does look bad, sure, but in all honesty, why would I, as mafia, bus Artanis, and then NOT go to VE or Shelvocke like the rest of them?
Why am I pushing sinani? Do you disagree that he looked like mafia at that point?
Why would Artanis disagree with lynching his scumbuddy's lynch option?
Questions to answer.
I didn't notice all mafia went to VE or Shelvocke afterwards, did you mention this point previously in the game? Can you show me where?
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It shows that you had a special perspective to watch things happen, it doesn't look like something a townie would notice easily, so late since D1.
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On April 15 2013 13:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 13:33 Vivax wrote:
It shows that you had a special perspective to watch things happen, it doesn't look like something a townie would notice easily, so late since D1. Are you just doing this because you think I'm going to call you town for going all tunnel-mode on me?
If you really are town then try to convince me. There's a lot looking bad in our filter. Ideally convince me by finding someone who looks worse than you. Oats might be a good start, you mentioned him just before.
Not asking you to do this for me, asking you to do this for the game.
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Why did you say all mafia went to Shelvocke/VE if that wasn't the case though?
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Yeah that does look bad, he picked the wifom side of things in favor of Artanis.
Has Shelvocke been DT-checked yet? If Oats is town then he's the only scum I could see having picked 8 1
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You can be sure that scum's going to shoot you now -.-
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I went through flipped scum filters, they make me think Shelvocke might not be scum actually.
Artanis wanted him dead, called him scum.
VE sounded like he was setting himself up to lynch him/found him suspicious.
OO defended MZ against Shelvocke.
BM did kinda avoid talking directly about him. Called him a hero once though.
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Well OO's wasn't a good bus and that's what caught attention, BM bussed with a vote and nothing else, VE didn't really bus IIRC, Artanis spread out his reads a lot.
But that's not the point, I would find the interactions odd if they were between scumbuddies, I also looked at Oats with these in mind and I don't think he's scum anymore.
Sinani was defended by all of scum except for Artanis who changed opinion on him when it looked like he was getting lynched.
I'd currently lynch between Sinani or yamato, Keirathi has to be lynched at lylo.
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On April 15 2013 14:38 geript wrote:
People are reading the wrong filters. I think people should read Caller's filter. Especially the section where he starts attacking Keirathi. It was literally once there was a head of steam going his way that Artanis popped in with his case on me at that point. As a matter of fact, both Bill Murray and Obvious One pop in to make points. Next VE comes in with his case on RO as well. It completely shifted the conversation away from keirathi. It absolutely disrupted the conversation and got people shifted off of it.
I'm going to request that everyone reads pages ~38-50 as it's a huge surge in Scum activity.
I don't think scum sat there, organized and with a plan on what to do, to come out organized exactly when Keirathi got attacked. Have yet to see a scum pr0 team like that lol.
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Well Keirathi is forcing himself to confirm townies with his claim. He can't escape getting caught unless he starts throwing in concerns about a GF, which he could do now given some facets of yamato's play.
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Keirathi, since you said you're NKVD, you can choose as what to appear, what did/will you pick tonight?
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you can choose what to appear like, sorry for gerglish
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Anyway, we know Keirathi can change his role but not his alignment (like I thought he could), so we'll simply do this: I check Keirathi and Keirathi checks me.
If yamato is GF he picked Vanilla anyway, but he can frame people according to role so we have to watch out tonight. If I come back red I have been framed and he's scum, you can lynch me and will find out, yamato might try to put it onto RO who is very unlikely scum imo.
Sinani apparently picked Rigger and has a green check so he's the least worrisome check.
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Didn't read everything yet. I did check Keirathi, no result back from tonight.
All I gotta say is that Mocsta is an idiot if he didn't rolecheck me, and should be held responsible for my mislynch if it goes through.
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