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Keirathi I went a little through your filter and it looks pretty good so I'm excluding crazy play from your side for the moment.
I find your reasons for not suspecting MZ lacking though, it seems to come down to this post:
On April 08 2013 13:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
we can wifom what scum want us to think by the gonzaw kill from here till kingdom come but we won't get anywhere. Ultimately we need to stick with artanis as he has been consistently scummy and pushed by a now confirmed townie.
@Yamato. I'm really tired with you calling me scum and never backing it up, come up with some reasons or shut up.
It would have been too risky for scum to do the opposite of that (use wifom to defend artanis), and too unproductive to not say anything. What scum wants first of all is to look good. That's what I'm holding against OO especially, and this quote by MZ can fit into the profile and isn't the argument for thinking he's scum, but isn't an argument for assuming he's town either.
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Lynch me D3 if you want, just not today unless you want to do something stupid.
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Geript doesn't know how to read my meta btw, few of you do, if any.
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On April 11 2013 13:46 strongandbig wrote:
dont vote for meapak hes not scum
On April 11 2013 13:50 Shelvocke wrote:
Why not?
S & B still didn't answer this.
On April 11 2013 15:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oh, RO and Oats are very likely town, oats especially. Anyone who calls for their deaths at this point is just spamming the thread.
Purpose of this post?Are we discussing Oats and RO or what?
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On to other stuff.
Congratulations, you have bribed your way to becoming President of America! You have unlimited nukes at your disposal, however, they can only be used during the day phase and you can only use one nuke per day. Also, because congress is a bunch of fat cat geezers, if the politician buys your vote and you have not already used your nuke for that cycle, he can also nuke a target of his choice and he makes it look like you did it! (however he cannot make you shoot yourself) To nuke, you must type ##Nuke: Player. You must nuke 12 hours or more before day ends. Nukes land at the end of the day. Feel free to launch your first nuke without any warning.
MZ, were you responsible for scum's extra D1 death?If not, where was your D1 nuke?
You are the master of the Kremlin and have the power of the mighty Soviets at your hands! Thanks to your great serf labor, you have 2 nukes and 1 anti-nuke at your disposal. You can only use 1 per day, so you cannot nuke and anti nuke in same day. Furthermore, you cannot use both of your nukes on consecutive days.
Are you actually America or Russia?
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Whatever I'll join your dumb massclaim plan. I'm a parity cop with austin as first target, going to pick the next one this night.
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S & B after gonzaw's case:
gonzaws artanis case:
- accurately attacks his bad case on geript
- accurately attacks artanis for "out of place complaints about the town/thread", something that seems like a decent scumhunting heuristic but i hadn't really thought about before
- "other people are ignoring him" is a bad point, there hasn't been much reason to focus on him until now
- "fake aggression" really is more of a meta point, i would need to see examples of previous cases
i really don't like oatsmaster's post (18223749), it's pretty terribad. if artanis is scum i could see oats being scum too. or even if artanis isn't scum.
i like how gonzaw is actually trying to get people to pay attention to his big post#3000 case
Then other stuff in the same post:
+ Show Spoiler +
in here is my answer to the case on me
obviousone in his post 18223896 makes the correct distinction, what i meant when i said "picking phase strategy" was the actual role picking, all the number picking strategy was stupid. basically, the only reason the attacks on me make sense is because i said that thing about the picking phase strategy being important, and then wasn't around to actually talk about or make plans during the actual picking phase. Well, the reason i wasn't around is that i wasn't around. i have at least three other time-occuping activities (girlfriend-having, apartment-hunting, and homework-doing) that are more important to me than mafia and i was doing those things friday and saturday.
now, that angle of attack is legitimate. it's incorrect because just being afk for a few days doesn't make me mafia. but it's legitimate.
the people who are attacking me for being off my meta are just ridiculous and/or lazy. if you actually want to look into my town meta, you need to look further back than just one game. criticizing bad posts is something i quite enjoy, and if you think me doing it makes me scum then i lol. lurking on occasion is also something i do, and if you think that makes me scum then i also lol.
post 18223971 geript votes for ryan for what appears to be no reason at all, weird because i remember seeing some townie stuff from geript earlier in the game. but this post is, what, an association case between ryan and meapak, without actually saying why he things meapak is scum? and also the fact that ryan doesn't comment on gonzaws artanis case? hmmmmmm, what is geript's comment on that case?
oatsmaster wants to lynch vivax why?
artanis's response to the gonzaw case - unconvincing but not obviously wrong, not sure here.
vivax: "anyone else finding s & b scummy" lol
oh my draft numbers were [4][2]
visceraeyes 18227911 what a terrible post
deconduo had just made a case on me and was following it up with a vote
completely different than what vivax did
visceraeyes Y U NO PAY ATTENTION
gonzaw says vig shot me VIGS DONT SHOOT ME I WILL DO GOOD THINGS FOR TOWN!!!!!!!!
I say it looks bad, too, S & B uses gonzaw's case to draw conclusions about gonzaw, not about artanis it seems.
Any opinions? What do you say, S & B? Why summarize gonzaw's case content to talk prevalently about other stuff afterwards? The post seems like a half-defense of Artanis but later you post this:
at the moment, i am willing to lynch shelvok because his filter reads to me like he's being very "on track" but his justifications for those things are super insufficient.
i am also willing to lynch artanis because gonzaws case seems good and artanis's response doesn't convince me he's town
out of other people who have votes at the moment, i won't support killing palmar or keirathi or ryan.
i would think about killing VE because of how bad his vote on deconduo is but it would take some persuading for me to do that.
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S & B can you specify why you thought it was a good idea to sum up the points about gonzaw's case if you didn't have intention to pick a side? I don't spontaneously talk about my null reads mentioning pros and cons, unless obviously there is something I know about them being guilty and don't want to look like I'd dodging the issue...
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Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?
I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.
Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook.
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No, give me this night to get a check, I don't care if you lynch me tomorrow but at least let my flip be useful with the information I'll get after next night.
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Keirathi spit out a case on me or fuck off, thanks. Don't need you joining the most silent bandwagon in the thread where people say "Vivax scum just because", that's sketchy as shit.
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On April 12 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?
I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.
Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook. Does america have to shoot every day? I didnt read it like that.
America's first nuke is stealth. It doesn't need to be claimed, and if MZ didn't shoot D1, then he didn't have to claim D2.
On April 12 2013 02:14 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:02 Vivax wrote:
Keirathi spit out a case on me or fuck off, thanks. Don't need you joining the most silent bandwagon in the thread where people say "Vivax scum just because", that's sketchy as shit. It's partly process of elimination, partly the convenient roleclaim, partly your interactions VE, and partly how hard you tried to wheedle sn0's role out of him. I just don't see much in your filter that I directly contribute to town. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't, but like I said, you're one of the last 3 people I don't have solid reasons for thinking that they are town.
My roleclaim was DEMANDED, not convenient, and the mass claim is a shit idea. But I want a check before I get lynched at least.
I did everything wrong regarding VE and Artanis, ironically that's what likely makes me town, I'm not suicidal as scum.
Sno is an uncontested 1 1 picker who deserves suspicion in my opinion. But while he keeps posting, unlike D1, I'll keep my attention on OO.
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Mocsta is not scum he doesn't do abrasive shit as scum, go read Personality 2, he was nice and reasonable, and he didn't try to jump into your face with what he had to say.
Lynch ObviousOne.
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There's also the chance scum has a goldman sachs and austin is scum so don't take anything for granted for the moment, this setup allows crazy ideas.
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I don't care about mocsta either way. OO best lynch, he scum tryin to look good with his cases but no interest whatsoever in pursuing what he claims to believe.
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It wasn't anything concrete, I was throwing in the thought that everything is possible around that nuke and it's not guaranteed that austin will be dead after this day.
A way of saying that there can be a lot of chaos caused by scum during this day.
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I also can' t get over the thought that Sno might be scum, no matter what the check is. He's too casual about his play, looks active but doesn't really deliver information or useful opinions. Looks to me like a guy who tries to be involved without ever trying to get his hands dirty.
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On April 12 2013 03:19 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:17 Vivax wrote:
It wasn't anything concrete, I was throwing in the thought that everything is possible around that nuke and it's not guaranteed that austin will be dead after this day.
A way of saying that there can be a lot of chaos caused by scum during this day. More accurately, you are causing confusion in the thread for no reason. M_Z didn't nuke day 1, his first nuke isn't silent, etc. You and geript are consistently throwing as much confusion as you can into this thread. PLEASE STOP.
##Nuke: Player. You must nuke 12 hours or more before day ends. Nukes land at the end of the day. Feel free to launch your first nuke without any warning.
Interesting you think I'm scum without reading my posts or you would know this.
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Or maybe I phrased that poorly, I'm just saying that the nuke doesn't need to be announced, that's what I mean by stealth.
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Good, I'll sheep Keirathi's lynch choices then. Didn't look through Sharrant though so it's a matter of faith there, might do that later if I feel arsed to.
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