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Fuck taking care of kids, listening to the podcast made me want to play. I'll find time. | ||
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I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him. ##Vote Grackaroni | ||
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Yeah you have a funny hat and you're scum. | ||
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On March 26 2013 10:58 Keirathi wrote: What is there to explain? He randomly voted for someone for no reason, so I did too. No you didn't, in fact this sentence cannot possibly be true, since the latter part "so I did too" implies that you voted based on my vote, and thus you have a reason, which contradicts your first sentence that claims there is no reason to either vote. | ||
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1. Prove my innocence 2. Establish my reign 3. Get Grack lynched. 1. I am not scum because I am so nice and helpful and I am thinking so hard about this game please don't lynch me please I'm not scum really. 2. I am basically the mayor of this town, however, do feel free to add ##Vote Palmar for Mayor!! to your posts. It is not only a chance for you to celebrate my greatness, but also for me to see who my loyal citizens are. 3. Grackaroni is scum because of the observant and non-conclusive style of this post: On March 26 2013 09:31 Grackaroni wrote: Well I don't like Sinani including it in his reasoning for OO's question being scummy. he's using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM (which should be a null tell) to say that he thinks OO is scum. He seems to have absolutely no direction with this post, simply saying this for the sake of saying it without directly addressing either party. He's providing a summary with no conclusion of the situation, and specifically avoids talking to the players, just about them. And that's a wrap. Well played Palmar. | ||
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Why isn't everyone sheeping me yet? | ||
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DI is not surely town, but the reasoning brought up by the smurf is just not correct. There is a difference between DI's filter this game and the ones he brought up. In this game he's offering much more explanations than in the filters provided. Sure he spams a bit too, and he might be scum, having noticed that adding at least some value to the thread may be helpful. In fact DI is currently in the null territory for me. But that doesn't make smurf's case any less fabricated and untrue. The only common thing in DI's filter in both games are a few spammy one-liners but who cares? | ||
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On March 26 2013 18:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah ok so smurfs case is bad. Big deal. What do you think about SnB's case on prplhz then? I think it's a big deal and I'm going to ignore your other question. What I want to understand is why did he write a false case. Is it a mistake? Is it lack of effort? Is it a forced case because he needs to make it look like he's doing something? Smurf, get in here and be useful. | ||
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On March 26 2013 21:01 Grackaroni wrote: Well your mostly just commenting on me... hypocrite! you're* Also how is that hypocritical? It's discriminative, but not hypocritical. | ||
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On March 26 2013 21:07 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I saw that but I didn't want to triple post  You accuse me of not taking a stance in the thread BUT you only make one stance in the thread AND it's ON the person who hasn't taken a stance in the thread! Without me you've got no stance! but enough of this because it is pointless. Actually I also took a stance towards smurf's case on DI. | ||
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On March 26 2013 21:10 Acrofales wrote: I'm awake! I don't quite know what Grack has done to deserve all this attention. I understand Palmar's initial point, which I don't really agree with is all that scummy, but at least I understand what he was saying. However, since then I have had no problem with Grack at all and Keirathi's case is outright bad and feels like Keir is simply making a case to get a wagon rolling. I don't like that at all. Palmar, you should drop Grack and start lynching Nisani, whose sole contribution is one big fat lie. No. | ||
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On March 26 2013 21:26 Grackaroni wrote: Well then I took a stance towards Sinani's case on OO. I've got to go to class right now. And I don't want to hear any "where's Grack to counter. . . " The fact you feel the need to pre-emptively counter a dumb argument I'd never use anyway just underlines how nervous I perceive you to be towards any push in your direction Lynch this guy. | ||
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On March 26 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont know where you have been for the past few months Marv does not get lynched day 1. So what do you propose marv do? Start playing? We will see when he gets in here I guess. Marv hangs just like anyone else on day 1, if he is deserving of it. Stop with this retarded notion of not killing good players day 1. Kill scum day 1. | ||
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I do agree the smurf looks bad, but honestly, just based on at least putting in the effort of making that case I'd rather lynch other people on day 1. When is the lynch? | ||
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On March 26 2013 22:59 marvellosity wrote: Palmar, how sure are you on this Grack thing? No idea yet, I think it's the best option we have right now, aside from maybe one or two other openings I will explore later in the cycle. I think we still have more than a day to form our final wagon, so there's no need to rush it. I feel pretty confident Grack's responses have not helped me paint him green, and he's posted in a manner that yells scum at me. But I've also seen people simply mess up under some pressure. So yeah, for now I'm convinced he's our best lynch target. | ||
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On March 26 2013 23:02 marvellosity wrote: Lynch is like 23:00 GMT? No, I don't think Hapa is mafia at the moment, I'm not getting bad vibes from his posts like I did in Duel. It's just something I noticed while I was lurking/watching the Grack thing unfold last night. You did read the interaction though? I simply said Grack was scum, and Hapa took that and expanded upon it. Sure if he's scum he may have decided to fabricate a case around a read of mine, knowing I'm town and tend to hugely bias my reads based on whether or not people agree with me. But it can just as easily be explained by Hapa simply reading the thread and coming to the conclusion that maybe I was on to something. At least he provided an explanation as to why he agreed with me. | ||
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On March 26 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: The point is that good players dont get found out day 1 as scum. Have you ever been lynched day 1? A few times, as town and as scum. | ||
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On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats. I want to kill him for being an asshole, but I'm not sure I want to kill him for being scum. He's saying a lot of strange things and taking absolute positions, but he's also too confrontational to be classified as highly likely scum right now. | ||
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On March 26 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Like how I want to lynch SnB for a bad case and not smurf? deal with it. Do you have town reads on both of them? If not, then why arent you asking me what is differerent instead of insinuating that I am scum. You're scum. Now explain the difference. | ||
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marv you're still sort of meh in this thread. | ||
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On March 27 2013 07:52 ObviousOne wrote: Okay. I am aware that you have a sort of policy where you will lynch stupid as hard as you lynch scum so I just wanted to see where you were coming from on that. Correct me if I am wrong on this statement, but that's where I'm working from. I don't have any policy of the sort. In fact I consider one of the main objectives of mafia to be learning how to seperate stupid from scum. | ||
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On March 27 2013 08:26 ObviousOne wrote: Maybe I misremembered your Hero mini clean read video or you just made it as a flippant comment. In either case, what do you make of Cora right now? He seems to WANT lynch votes on himself. I am undecided on Cora. I thought he was town during his first entrance into the thread but upon re-reading I'm not so sure. I don't think there is any way of conclusively calling him scum right now. I'd say he's a null to slight town read of mine, but it's a very cautious read, mostly based on his activity, so he could just be spammy mafia for all I know. | ||
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But the little fact that Keirathi then proceeded to call out prplhz makes me think his defense may not have been an absolute stance, but a fluid one. It's not a huge town-tell, but it's something. | ||
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On March 27 2013 08:29 Palmar wrote: I am undecided on Cora. I thought he was town during his first entrance into the thread but upon re-reading I'm not so sure. I don't think there is any way of conclusively calling him scum right now. I'd say he's a null to slight town read of mine, but it's a very cautious read, mostly based on his activity, so he could just be spammy mafia for all I know. As an update on this read, based on the fact he seems somewhat worried about how other people perceive his input into the game I'm changing this to null/slight scum. examples: On March 26 2013 10:16 cDgCorazon wrote: I've already called out Rayn for being scummy, at least that has some decent thinking behind it. On March 27 2013 00:19 cDgCorazon wrote: I've already called Acro out for overreacting to things. | ||
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On March 27 2013 09:13 sinani206 wrote: So you're saying that if he claimed green to protect himself as a blue, and then claimed his true role, you would lynch him? Yes, unless of course he retracts his claim which he should do even if he's actually just vanilla town. If you actually think claiming green can protect you as a blue, you're a dumbass. | ||
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On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote: I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing? That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well. | ||
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On March 27 2013 09:22 Keirathi wrote: Why are you just picking and choosing quotes to base reads off of, Palmar? Because it's easier to pretend I'm reading the thread that way. | ||
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On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ! Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that. Who of those guys are mafia? There's a long time until the lynch. I choose to share the information and thoughts I have at my own pace. Now shoo. | ||
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I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. | ||
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On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. | ||
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On March 27 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote: So you didnt think he was scum? You dont sound like you were gonna push Grack today. Now who would you lynch after that weird nk? And yeah with anonymous vig, scum probably shot but thats not really the point. No no, at the time I thought Grack was scum, or he was my best read. But I also re-evaluate the actual lynch on the second half of day 2 every time I play. Again, if you want me to I can point you to multiple instances of this. | ||
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On March 27 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol meta eh? So do you want to push Dandel Ion's target today? Or someone else? I haven't decided. | ||
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On March 27 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are all the influential people so tightfisted with their reads. WHY? ??? ?? Dandel Ion, im sorry this doesnt include you. Or me. Or anyone except palmar and marv uncertain doesn't mean tightfisted | ||
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On March 27 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote: Tell me about Nisani and prplhz, Palmar. Think I already stated how I feel about prplhz. Nisani I tend to ignore, same as sinani. | ||
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Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1. So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me. So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot. | ||
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Not 100% sure on how to proceed. Maybe we should just lynch marv and see what he bleeds. | ||
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On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? | ||
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On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote: By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after? | ||
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On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Why you gotta be so mean. The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else. Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude. Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind? Prp is town. Umm. yeah. Acro isn't scum, I think that's a very long reach. | ||
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On March 27 2013 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to lynch OO or Oats. OO for reasons i stated earlier in the game and his behaviour after that (don't worry, i'll answer your case when i have more time). Oats for not having a clear train of thought for the whole game. He does another 180 out of the blue. Who can figure out where? As for the day-vig. I see no scum motivation behind the shot because imo mafia would have shot like anyone else than Grack. Only reason i could think of is if they want to cast doubt on Palmar (assuming Palmar is town) and that's too much WIFOM in my eyes. Oats is almost definitely not scum and I don't think OO is scum although I'm much less sure on that one. | ||
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On March 27 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote: how about we lynch marv then. he real rude and dickish always. Except he isn't right now. Which is what worries me. As marv himself recognized I'm taking the "sit back but watch" approach to looking at him, but we're closing in on lynch time and he doesn't really seem to care how the lynch goes. | ||
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On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote: @Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum? Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information. I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now. | ||
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On March 28 2013 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar why did you think the vigi-shot was surely from mafia without thinking it out properly? It looks like you wanted the shooter to claim if they are town which would be dumb, as already pointed out, if it's a JOAT and not a one shot vigi. That's a stupid question. | ||
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On March 28 2013 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what makes you so sure Oats is town? he looks like town. I've had him fairly green for a long time | ||
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On March 28 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote: How is Palmar town Marv? I'm not on his team. Anyway, I am not going to be able to catch much up until in a few hours. Marv suggested smurf and nisani who are both null reads in my notes (although I'm feeling unusually uncertain about my reads this game, not sure what's going on). the remaining people who are leaning scum in this sheet btw are sinani, marv, prplhz, corazon and rayn (who I've changed my mind on) I'm feeling there's at most 2-3 scum in this list though, so at least 2-3 scum are evading my suspicions. | ||
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On March 28 2013 03:57 Hapahauli wrote: Now as for Nisani, I just have him and Sinani labeled as lurkers. I did a brief dive through their metas last night, and basically arrived at the conclusion that they are lurk-tastic regardless of alignment. Of the two, I thought Sinani had a higher chance of flipping red. He came in and bombed a case at a time when I was railing against prplhz. Often I see scum make plays like this - slam down a confident case against a non-suspicious party in order to look original and throw the town into chaos. Furthermore, when he entered, he also randomly attacked Yamato and soft-pushed the current suspicion of the thread (prplhz) without giving any clear opinions on him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814 His filter reads a lot like clean scum-play, and his only real contribution is his case on Nisani, which reads a lot like a lynch-bait case. Also, I really didn't get scum-vibes from Nisani's filter. Yes it's short, and yes he doesn't justify his read on prplhz very much, but the way he pushed Acro early on (and how he came off Acro) seemed fairly genuine. I would get behind the sinani lynch. Sinani lurks and is useless as either alignment. He's a perfect day 1 candidate for scum to lynch, but he's also hard to really read since he doesn't care at all. He spent most of his efforts early in the day talking about the claim that OO didn't read his role pm, which to me was not even worth talking about. He also early in the game called Nisani201 out on defending the smurf, but I can't remember how and why, can probably go look up the post, but my notes say "not in a useful way". I would have to think long and hard about this idea of lynching nisani201 or the smurf. Neither of them have done anything to look like town, so maybe they're just both complacent scum, but it makes it very difficult for me to picture any kind of a scum team for those two players. | ||
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On March 28 2013 04:22 Nisani201 wrote: i just remembered why i stopped playing mafia node graph or lynch. | ||
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I had keirathi red-ish early on but at some point I swapped my read on him. I did not note down why I did it. It's tempting to just roll with it, as I'm pretty uncertain myself. I will be back soon to think more. | ||
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I don't think nisani201 will flip scum. ##Vote sinani206 | ||
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Keirathi I'll talk to you. Tell me who should be hanging instead of you. afaik your vote is on me. | ||
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On March 28 2013 05:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Looks like no one is getting lynched today...well done Marv. This looks terrible and I want to kill you. | ||
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On March 28 2013 06:03 Keirathi wrote: No, my vote is not on you and never has been. Smurf should be hanging. He was way, way, way too confident that prplhz was town based off of 6 total posts. Actually it has been, but my bad. smurf is certainly a possibility, I don't think we can lynch him today, but he has some pretty strange things about him. Can you give us a read on every player in case you die. long/short/whatever. | ||
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On March 28 2013 06:15 marvellosity wrote: no, that's totally irrelevant right now. We have 45 minutes to decide the lynch. chill out dude we'll just lynch one of the nisinanis | ||
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Idk I've played like a million games with him and I don't think he'll flip town. I don't particularly care as he's useless. any lurker lynch is good. With this recent mason information (remember they claim to be confirmed to each other so they must both be scum if this is some sort of a ruse, and the chances of that are little). | ||
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lynch nisani then chance of success: 6% | ||
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3-4 scum in list. | ||
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On March 28 2013 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar why did you agree to the Keirathi lynch pushed by your scumread marv and agreed by your other scumread me? on the off chance I was wrong. | ||
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On March 28 2013 17:36 ObviousOne wrote: He (we, as in Palmar and I) were already wrong on Grack. It could be a fatal disease for both of us. In re-reading the thread (I'm up to p21) I'm leaning town on Rayn btw. You still leaning town on Rayn, Palmar? That's the last I remember of you mentioning him off the top of my head. I'm almost always wrong on my initial day 1 read, which is why I always revise the read before lynchtime. As for rayn, I don't think he's town. I liked his initial contributions but I feel some of the things he said since have been pretty strange. I will elaborate later. Then again, I don't think he's our number 1 scum lynch for tomorrow. I still haven't decided where I want to take that. | ||
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Anyway, this was a fun game. Thanks for hosting Kurumi. I love the experimentation with the roles, even if it sometimes ends up a bit strange. Mad at myself for not catching Acro, and mad at prplhz for shooting me before he and marv cleared themselves on like day 2. | ||
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btw being lost is usually a town-tell, scum doesn't get lost, they know everything. | ||
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