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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 16:02 GMT
#2031
marv: i didn't comment on Nisani because i wanted to have opinions on my case on OO and push the case. After that i thought Smurf made sense and i thought it would be really bad scumplay for Oats to do two 180's (which someone pointed out earlier, that he does those things as town). My OO case wasn't going anywhere and people were voting for Nisani and prplhz. I thought prplhz made sense in his posts, especially when he was defending me (the frustration comment) and his Acro - Palmar observation. I had already expressed that Nisani is someone i was going to look into later, so i did and i did find him the scummiest.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 16:14 GMT
#2034
On March 31 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
So am I or am I not scummy Rayn?

No you are not.

Also do you still think OO is scummy?

I do.

Also if not, do you have any other reads besides the people you are voting for?

I think Cora/Keir are legit townfirmed masons as they claim. s&b is town unless there is a counter claim. I think Hapa is town. I think you are town.

People i am unsure of are marv, prplhz and Dandel. marv has made me feel better about him with his latest posts.

Other people are scummy. That is Smurf, Acro, sinani and OO. I am pretty sure i am wrong about one or two of these guys, i just don't know which one(s).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 16:16 GMT
#2036
On March 31 2013 01:03 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways I want to talk about this a bit more:

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 20:06 marvellosity wrote:
On March 30 2013 19:57 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm still around because I'm stupid and drank all of the coffee. It didn't make me smarter though so talk me through it when you get around to it.


Just read what Kei wrote for a start. The thing to think about is when is someone "doomed". A mafia's objective changes markedly at this point, and goes into wifom-mode, rather than push-a-mislynch-mode.

I can't remember Kei's reasons for thinking sinani and Acro couldn't be mafia together even though I only read them 20 minutes ago, but I do remember thinking that they weren't good reasons. lol.


Obviously I am aware of that, since it is part of my case against Acro, even if it is just speculation. And part of why I don't think Acro and sinani are scum together.

Go back and look through the night. There really was very little discussion about sinani. You mentioned him once "sinani looks worse by default" or something like that. OO posed those questions that kind of had a "sinani is scum" assumption behind them. But there really wasn't much actual talk about sinani. Almost all of the night phase revolved around you/Smurf/Me+cora/OO.

So, at that point, I DO think Smurf was doomed. But I do NOT think sinani was doomed in any way. Therefore, since I think Acro is scum, I don't think there was any reason for scum Acro to bus two teammates so hard.

That's exactly why i do not think Acro and sinani are scum together. This is of course assuming Smurf in fact is scum. But i don't see why he would not be.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 16:17 GMT
#2037
rofl those posts. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 16:19 GMT
#2038
##Unvote: sinani
##Vote: Acrofales
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 18:32 GMT
#2054
On March 31 2013 03:07 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 31 2013 02:07 strongandbig wrote:
On March 31 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 31 2013 02:00 strongandbig wrote:
On March 31 2013 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thoughts on Rayn everybody?

Considering he flipped scum in Newbie XXXIX


One scum game does not a meta make (have you read the postgame comments in The Game thread?)
I don't think it should have much impact on how we evaluate his play this game, unless there are specific things people were seeing from him which they thought "this specific thing wouldn't come from a scummer," and he did those specific things in that other game.


Not considering that he flipped scum in Newbie XXXIX.

Are you deliberately ignoring the question?


Lol no, I'm deliberately saying I don't think it's a good question. I think unless someone was predicting a town read on him on certain things that they thought were "town tells" but that he did as scum, then his alignment in that game shouldn't have a big effect on analysis of him in this one.


rayn was quite clearly the townleader in that game, with high activity and contributions. For a new player this is especially unusual, and so the lazy heuristic I was using here of active, paranoid townie is something that needs to be reconsidered in light of the fact he was far more capable as mafia than a newer player (or indeed, 95%+ of normal players) usually is.

I am not a new player. I have played ~20 games on another forum. You can read it from our scum QT from XXXIX. I play the same especially on D1 as town or mafia. As i said, it's just that my intentions are different. I have not played with any of you so i do not bother to take meta into account, as if i read another game of someone of yours, i could not be sure if what i see is actually true, because people interact differently depending on who are they interacting with, and their alignment. There are too many factors for me to take meta into account to form a read on someone.

So can you just cut the crap with meta, i'm pretty sure Cora was trying to figure out if i am scum on D1 as he hosted XXXIX and i played the beginning of this game similary. That's why i was near getting really angry with him. I knew what he was after but i could not defend myself in any way (as we can't talk about ongoing games).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 18:45 GMT
#2056
I think it's very fishy. I see no reason for a townie to be unlynchable.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 18:46 GMT
#2057
EBWOP: At least after the how he has acted since then (disappear).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2013 18:55 GMT
#2060
One time vote rigger. Said he did not fully know how it worked.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:17 GMT
#2163
I shot acro.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:19 GMT
#2164
IN THE FACE!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:20 GMT
#2166
go on and cc...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:25 GMT
#2168
On March 31 2013 10:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Soooo, you're not a mason-cop?

I am. I can also kill ppl. Cora / Keir 100% confirmed, as i checked them Coron n1. And yea, i killed acro <3

Come on and cc me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:26 GMT
#2169
On March 31 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 10:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Soooo, you're not a mason-cop?

I am. I can also kill ppl. Cora / Keir 100% confirmed, as i checked them Coron n1. And yea, i killed acro <3

Come on and cc me.

EBWOP: I checked Cora N1, he is mason. ggnore.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:28 GMT
#2171
On March 31 2013 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
go on and cc...


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112
BLFG
03-28-2013
06:22 PM ET (US)
Okay whatever. My power is that i can check if someone is in a mason circle. Keir and Cora are legit. That makes them town. Period.


Why'd you fake-claim?

Because there was the anti-ton fucker.... Acro? ::D

why not=?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:28 GMT
#2172
On March 31 2013 10:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
go on and cc...


112
BLFG
03-28-2013
06:22 PM ET (US)
Okay whatever. My power is that i can check if someone is in a mason circle. Keir and Cora are legit. That makes them town. Period.


Why'd you fake-claim?

Because there was the anti-ton fucker.... Acro? ::D

why not=?

EBWOP: fucker...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:33 GMT
#2174
On March 31 2013 10:31 Hapahauli wrote:
What's "cc" mean?

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2013 10:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 31 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
go on and cc...


112
BLFG
03-28-2013
06:22 PM ET (US)
Okay whatever. My power is that i can check if someone is in a mason circle. Keir and Cora are legit. That makes them town. Period.


Why'd you fake-claim?

Because there was the anti-ton fucker.... Acro? ::D

why not=?


I'm pretty sure you had a town-read on Acro. One of the reasons you revealed yourself to the thread was precisely because you thought everyone in the QT was town.

See my last posts. I even voted for Acro.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:34 GMT
#2175
"cc" as counter-claim
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:41 GMT
#2179
Oh fuck you are dumb, especially Cora.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 31 2013 01:42 GMT
#2180
can we just kill prplhz and OO?
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