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On April 02 2013 09:36 Keirathi wrote: This is true. Assuming 4 scum and that rayn can instantly kill someone in his mason circle and still shoot someone else in the same night (which is what he's claiming and seems to be the case), the game would have been over at the end of last night had he shot Hapa instead of Acro and then shot one of me or Cora. 12/4 start 11/4 after grack death 10/4 after nisani lynch 9/4 after Palmar NK 7/4 after the 2 lynches 6/4 if rayn shot Hapa 5/4 if he then shot me or Cora 4/4 or 3/4 after night kills depending on scum KP. Or even if they couldn't have outright won, it would have made for a much different town right now. If i was scum i would have shot you on N1 because you&Cora claimed on D1. | ||
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On April 02 2013 09:37 marvellosity wrote: This still makes no sense, Oats can't afford to go 1 for 1 with anyone. This all feels wrong Of course it does. If Oats confirms my role there is noone else than prplhz left. He gives someone town the gun and they lose after the next lynch + night phase. | ||
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On April 02 2013 09:57 marvellosity wrote: If I agree that prplhz shouldn't give the gun to you, I don't see why he shouldn't hit sinani and maybe get us a free kill. Because if he is in fact additional scum KP, he can fake it. Hell, it might be possible that Oats has a gun right now if prplhz is telling 80% truth about his role and faked giving the gun to Smurf. I know it's unlike, but possible. | ||
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This is absolutely the best idea. | ||
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On April 02 2013 10:09 marvellosity wrote: I'm particularly having problems with this quote, although there's a bunch of other stuff that's making me queasy. The state of things before this is, presuming rayn is town: 1) rayn has a townread on Cora 2) rayn shot Grack Therefore how does this quote even make sense? It can't possibly be trapping because rayn knows 100% that Grack was town-killed. So Cora can't possibly know it was a mafia-shot, because it wasn't. There's literally no way. This quote makes sense in other scenarios: 1) rayn doesn't know who shot Grack, and is suspicious of Cora for thinking what he apparently thought. Obviously we can count this one out 2) rayn is mafia, and he's either worried or shovelling suspicion. This makes much more sense than the original premise of a town-rayn who shot Grack asking a townread how he knows that Grack was scum-shot. It's just another way of saying "why do you seem to be so sure mafia shot Grack?". And me having a town-read on Cora does not mean i won't question him about questionable stuff. It's not that i can't be wrong on my read. | ||
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On April 02 2013 10:27 Keirathi wrote: That's the entire point. How could Cora in any way have been sure that the shot was a mafia shot if you were the one that made the shot and you knew you were town? I mean, lets even assume that Cora was scum when you asked it, he would know that one of his teammates didn't make the shot. Marv is right, the question makes no sense in context of your role, assuming you are town. The point was to find out if Cora was trying to make people think mafia shot Grack. That could be beneficial if he was mafia because if a town vigi claims the shot later on mafia could have pushed a lynch on the vigi for "fakeclaiming". This is assuming most of the town thought the shot was mafia. | ||
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On April 02 2013 10:30 marvellosity wrote: The about turn on Grack also feels super-artificial to me. He's town! He's a bad lynch! He isn't scum! Palmar is going after the wrong people! Oh... he's actually scum, because I'm "not satisfied with his answers anymore" (???), despite the fact I have at least 3 other scumreads (OO, Oats, Smurf, Nisani), but I need to be able to justify shooting him later. Look at the Mason Qt. I even fucking asked Acro & Hapa how sure they were that Grack was mafia. They were not sure but were leaning on him being scum at that time. That made me change my mind on him. | ||
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In addition to this, once per night i can either: 1) Check if someone is in a mason circle (which i did to Cora N1). Which proves that Cora & Keir are actual masons and therefore for me they are confirmed town unless they are scum-scum mason pair which would be really dumb kinda role. OF course they are only confirmed to me by this. 2) Shoot someone. If they are in a mason circle, they die. If they are not in a mason circle, they get notified about the shot, but do not die (which i did to Oats last night), This proves Oats is not masoned with anyone nor is a evesdropper in any mason circle in the game. | ||
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On April 03 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets put it this way. He couldve shot cora and keir and SnB and no one would know. OP scum role? OP scum role. I cant remember that role in Chrono trigger. Acro's role was 1 shot. Also 2 mafia roles that give a total of like 5 kp at least + Factional KP is just a bit too overpowered if rayn doesnt get lynched But he shot acro. Why? Cause he aint scum bro What makes you think i could shoot SnB? | ||
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On April 03 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I thought he was in Mason circle with you acro grack?? I guess not. No it was/is Hapa. | ||
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It's interesting that by Acro is the only scum role that has used his power (assuming scum do not have doctor or something that works for them rather than towards town). Assuming me and prplhz are both town that's pretty imbalanced (2 vigis for the town - i don't care who they can shoot, they still can), and one role for scum and not even a roleblocker, when town has 1-shot roleblocker, 1-shot medic, fuckton of masons, the setup guy and 1 conditional-vigi and a guy who can make vanillas vigi??? That's why i also want prplhz to prove his power by giving a gun to someone who is vanilla and is town! The above paragraph sounds pretty impossible if Oats/sinani are not lying about being vanilla. Apparently Smurf is vanilla because prplhz is fucked if he is not. I don't believe marv is mafia because OO would have had majorly fucked up reading his N1 results somehow. There is no reason for him to lie, and he basically called marv confirmed town. I can't believe Hapa would have faked being shot on N1. If SnB was lying about protecting him, he would have been outed. I also don't think SnB & Hapa would do this kinda play together, they both should be mafia and that does not makes sense because sinani was the one roleblocked and if Hapa&SnB were scum sinani would have to be town (assuming ofc Smurf flips scum). It just does not make sense for them to not hit anyone when they could kill confirmed person/people. That leaves Oats/sinani/prplhz and 2 mafia in them. If Smurf flips anything but vanilla, prplhz is mafia. If Smurf flips vanilla scum, i still think scum have one more role in them. If Smurf somehow does not flip, i bet they are mafia with prplhz because the "safe" play just turned into +1 scum KP or prplhz is lying about his role. Atm for me the most likely scenario is that Smurf + sinani + Oats are mafia. Depends a lot from Smurf flip and what happens during night how to proceed. | ||
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On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats. On March 26 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On top of him being stupid there is a strange contradiction in his behaviour towards s&b and smurf. On March 26 2013 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-readings. Meta screwed it up again. :/ | ||
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So yes, in a weird way it does sound Finnish rofl :D | ||
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On April 03 2013 02:38 Hapahauli wrote: My biceps are indeed guns. (I wish =() It's actually a slightly-misspelled hawaiian slang word for half-native/half-white. ^_^ What do you guys think about the setup speculation i posted last page? There is pretty much nothing to talk about before the flip other than that. Or if you have questions, ask me. | ||
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On April 03 2013 02:45 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah I mean no disagreements - that's basically what we've all agreed on since the Acro flip. As for who prplhz should give the gun to tonight, I have no clue. I'll think about it tonight. I still think to a vanilla who is town, that means marv/s&b/you(?) as Keir said earlier. I have no idea why marv is so against this.. | ||
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isclaimer: it's not perfect because mafia could kill the one of you that prplhz gives the gun to tonight. But 66% chance to game over.
