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TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 01:31 GMT
#418
On March 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, we go after you or Rainbows.

By that logic if I had gotten lynched and flipped green, you'd be guilty then?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 01:34 GMT
#419
I dislike Jarjar and krafia... look at how much they jumped their votes around that lynch for nothing with no real explination for either of them when they swapped their lynches. I think Ray spent too much time focusing on me when it wasn't doing any good to be the red we are looking for. He did his best to try avoiding even lynching anyone but me, only changing cause Krafia is dumb. I am way more willing to believe Jarjar is scum though, Krafia still just looks to be stupid.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 01:36 GMT
#421
On March 27 2013 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 10:31 TheRavensName wrote:
On March 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, we go after you or Rainbows.

By that logic if I had gotten lynched and flipped green, you'd be guilty then?

No, because i'm town after all. And i don't think you're gonna flip town.

I would hate to build up the excitement for three days just for you to be wrong but.... man are you going to be disapointed. Fitting it will happen on my birthday. I will consder your tears of sadness about being wrong my gift.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 01:46 GMT
#423
On March 27 2013 10:45 nobodywonder wrote:
My goodbye post: welp

That is an anticlimatic goodbye post. I had a good idea for mine.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 02:19 GMT
#425
On March 27 2013 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So me or ray get hit tonight obv. Maybe they go after Virtu instead but I think they leave him alone since he seems to have gone inactive.

If there's a townie among Rainbows/Raven/Krafla then they surely aren't gonna go after him since the lynch is gonna come from this group.

So in short: any roleblocker should choose from Rainbows/Raven/Krafla. Any Healer should choose from Me/Ray/Virtu.

Well given how high the association case between me and Rainbows is, I doubt either of us are getting shot. I really dislike you think we should waste a healer on freaken Virtu.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 02:22 GMT
#426
Hey Jarjar... what makes you innocoent? You voted for the mislynch both days too. You just hoped off twice on Day 2 so that it wouldn't look like you were involved in it and then jumped back onto me at the last second so you could look like your pushing for me with Ray.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 13:12 GMT
#429
On March 27 2013 21:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:10 Krafla wrote:
If nobodywonder flips town, I think we know who the mafia is.
Who's that?

I would gyess me and rainbows sense we pushed the lynch.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 21:15 GMT
#436
On March 28 2013 04:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are six alive. What makes you think the game is still going on if there are three scum?
Because if we stop an attack w/ a heal or roleblock. We can still win a tie tomorrow if we vote fast enough. I know that seems unlikely w/ Virtu as one of the townies, but that would be a reason the game could still be going on w/ 3 mafia.

The op very specifically says the mafia instant win if they tie the number of townies. So it wouldn't matter if we have a medic that could save.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 27 2013 21:21 GMT
#437
On March 28 2013 06:15 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are six alive. What makes you think the game is still going on if there are three scum?
Because if we stop an attack w/ a heal or roleblock. We can still win a tie tomorrow if we vote fast enough. I know that seems unlikely w/ Virtu as one of the townies, but that would be a reason the game could still be going on w/ 3 mafia.

The op very specifically says the mafia instant win if they tie the number of townies. So it wouldn't matter if we have a medic that could save.

Alright I was wrong. But I think if its 3 mafia its considered inevitable because they could all instant vote the same person and then we lose for not being able to disenseminate who is the mafia as fast as they can figure out who isn't.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 04:25 GMT
#442
On March 28 2013 10:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TheRavensName

Give me a case or something man... I need SOMETHING to work with.
On March 23 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 05:06 Frorgon wrote:
On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy:
On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me.

Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.



So keep in mind what you said here jarjar. Now why would Raven suspect you and then soft defend you if he is scum and you are not? If you're town wouldn't he just push for your lynch?
I feel like the reason for that should be obvious.

Scum doesn't want to be responsible for lynching a townie but he still wants a townie lynched

So basically he points out that I'm suspicious and hostile hoping to maybe influence some people and get me lynched. Then when I turn up green, he doesn't look suspicious because he "defended" me and can go after one of the people that voted for me.

I would think that the best result for mafia is getting a townie lynched with the least amount of scum voting for that person.

And notice that he still left himself an out so he could go back to voting for me if the situation required it. He said he sees "no reason to punish it till after other people show up."

The new bolded parts seem to point as much to Jarjar's voting style as it does mine. He changed around quite a bit as soon as a new person was chosen to be lynched. For example he went off me and onto frorgon as soon as I was declared the lynch, and on day two he went off NW when he was unavoidably lynched and moved to each of the other vote targets that didn't have any votes on them, which is a great strategy because it would still have gotten NW or me lynched without him having to commit to the final death.
On March 24 2013 10:04 cDgCorazon wrote:
Night 1


Final Vote Count
Frorgon: (2) JarJarDrinks, TheRavensName
Krafla (2): Krafla, Raynpelikoneet
TheRavensName (1): Frorgon, JarJarDrinks,Raynpelikoneet
Virtu (1): Rainbows, Frorgon
Rainbows (1): Fishgle
JarJarDrinks (0): Raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): TheRavensName, Rainbows
Not Voting: (2) Virtu, Nobodywonder

On March 27 2013 10:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
[Center]Night 2



Final Vote Count:
Nobodywonder (3): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Krafla JarJarDrinks
TheRavensName (3): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, JarJarDrinks, Krafla
Krafla (1): JarJarDrinks
Virtu (0): JarJarDrinks, Krafla

Not Voting (1): Virtu

Nobodywonder wins the tiebreaker due to getting 3 votes first


[G]If everyones required to vote, why has Virtu been allowed to live for TWO DAYS without a modkill or replacement? [/g]Serriously it makes it so unfair to figure out who is who cause it seems like hes being allowed to live either to prevent a mafia instant win or to prevent there only being one mafia player and we have nothing to analyze off him to figure out which is which

I think we have two possibilities... Either the scum is Virtu and Rainbows, in which case brilliantly done Rainbows for managing to win basically alone at this rate, or Jarjar is one of the scum... and I still don't know if hes working with Rainbows or Virtu... I don't think its Ray because hes been focusing on me for so long and none of the night kills really paint against me the way they should be and most of them are people that didn't like me anyways.

This is my little case against Jarjar, I will refrain from voting until I look at everyone elses filter.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 04:46 GMT
#444
Looked over Virtu's filter and there is like literally nothing to analyze.... (Why would you sign up if you know you never have time for a game of Mafia, the op clearly says you should have the time if you sign up and know you will need the time.) all he really does is chastise people for saying its okay to post less, says he was baiting a few reactions to see what happened and he was satisfied with them, and then he apologizes greatly for missing and doesn't return. He didn't even post during last night's phase.

I'm having a hard time choosing between Ray and Rainbows. Rainbows has spent so much time defending me and would have easily been able to jump me and get me lynched without being suspicious at all... but then again this is so WIFOM, because he played with me last game and knew my whole logic for not killing off Omni when he got very suspicious for a lot of people was that he had been sticking by me when he could have tossed me under and got me killed no problem. I also can't get over how he thought Virtu was the best lynch possible to being whatever just some lurking guy.+ Show Spoiler +

On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?


Holy crap you're scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Virtu

On March 23 2013 22:18 Rainbows wrote:
Virtu best lynch USA

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 23:33 virtu wrote:
On March 22 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you.

Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia.



I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game.

Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated.

Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP.

On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy:
On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me.

Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.


Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed.

As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and
concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine.

Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway.


This is virtu's first real post. I ask myself: what is he trying to accomplish here? Instead of commenting on the happenings in the thread, it is simply speaking in generalities. Town should be doing this, we should be generating discussion this way. Guys, obviously I'm pro-town if I'm suggesting we do these pro-town things but not actually do them.

How does this post further towns agenda of finding scum? It doesn't. It's a pretty generic post that serves no real purpose on than for people to go "Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!"

Here's the post that really caught my attention:

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?


At this point in time, I had just made a post on Ray and voted him. Virtu steps in a page later and simply casts his 'suspicion' upon him. Why is this post scummy? Because virtu is not attempting to find scum on his own. . . he is content at using my post on Ray in order to justify his 'read'. Town want to search all possible avenues, but apparently the only thing that has caught his attention is something I earlier put in bold. There was plenty of other things scummy in the thread at the time that nobody mentioned (see: frogron question). Why is virtu not trying to find scum himself? And he hasn't all game long.

I won't comment on the Godfather incident.

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 01:40 virtu wrote:

It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice.


What the hell is this post trying to say? So we should not go after lurkers (easy target) but we should definitely notice they aren't doing shit! So yeah guys, be suspect of lurkers right now. Pretty paramount that we notice those lurkers aren't posting, because, you know, that gets us places.

virtu's defence
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote:
If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.

Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies.

In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts.


Basically flails his arms at me and calls me stupid, which made me giggle on the inside. Firstly, the comparison between his post and AD's post is concrete, dispute that all you want. Was a scummy post yo. In reference to the bolded, wtf? So you should post to agree / disagree and act all scummy as hell? IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR. virtu refuses to find scum on his own. AT ALL!

I also thought his response to the Fishgle post was interesting. But that's for another day.

Synopsis:

- virtu posts paragraphs that do nothing to further towns agenda.
- virtu doesn't hunt scum all game, and refuses to.
- virtu openly sheeps with zero original thinking, but we should be suspect of lurkers.

virtu best lynch right now, gonna be flippin' scum all over this bitch.


On March 27 2013 02:46 Rainbows wrote:
If virtu doesnt post or just pulls a krafla i will vote him in seconds. I'll be more than happy to take full credit for lynching that dude.

Why have you never voted Virtu Rainbows? Why? Hes been your scum read the entire game and you could have went after him day 2... there were TWO votes on him, and you would have put him with NW and Me. He has also been connected to each of the Nightkills by saying they would be kinda eh lynches but were still stupid the day before, (He bashed Fringle, and krafia but said they would be kinda yick lynches.)

I need a response on this case ASAP Rainbows, as well as Feedback on both the lynch yesterday and the night kill.

I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 04:48 GMT
#445
EBWOP: I was writing that before I saw the post Cora. Please forgive the complaining again. It was more for him whenever he shows up or looks for the results of the game.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 04:51 GMT
#446
I will post a case on Ray tomorrow, my head is hurting too much to read anymore right now. Plus I would like to see feedback first as well as any responses from him. I know that if him and Jarjar are scum its going to be impossible for me to live without Virtu coming back anyways.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 05:16 GMT
#447
##Vote:JarjarDinks
Sleepy time now Point of this vote: Hope whoever checks this first votes for him and isn't one of the mafia.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 06:41 GMT
#448
##Unvote
##Vote: Rainbows
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 13:36 GMT
#454
On March 28 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Above question is to everyone else too.

I can't be much online today. I might make a post late tonight if i have enough time to reread all filters and actually think about stuff. I really didn't think Krafla would die, that threw me a bit off.

What about you Ray? What do you see? and TBH, Krafia makes the most sense. He was brushed off as a stupid townie, the only person more then one has confirmed town. Virtu has been lurking the longest out of everyone so hes a waste of a kill because hes such a mystery, Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice, and Rainbows is just as suspicious so killing him makes no sense either.TBH now that Virtu is back I'm tempted to switch my vote to him.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 14:02 GMT
#459
On March 28 2013 22:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote:
Jarjar and you have been gunning for me for a while so killing me is a poor choice

This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town.

Doesn't matter if you are both town, only one of you is, or if Rainbows and Virtu are the towns. Killing me makes it so you two will vote elsewhere, possibly on the scum if it is not you two. TBH out of everyone left, I think Ray is least likely to be scum.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 14:02 GMT
#460
On March 28 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Raven: I see you calling everyone but virtu scum without no reasoning.

Please explain this without the double negative that is aggrivating my head.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 14:03 GMT
#461
Wait, I meant to say Ray is most likely to be town. Rainbows and Jarjar are tied for the likely scums in my eyes.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
March 28 2013 14:24 GMT
#463
On March 28 2013 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 23:02 TheRavensName wrote:
On March 28 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Raven: I see you calling everyone but virtu scum without no reasoning.

Please explain this without the double negative that is aggrivating my head.

rofl sorry. With no reasoning.

I explained my reasoning. I think rainbows is right about this confirmation bias you got going.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
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