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I had a strong town read on DYH because of how he attacked me D1 with more effort than anybody else, but his D2 he was just flipping from town sentiment to town sentiment. He's usually one of the first on the wagon, but not THE first:
On March 21 2013 12:42 DoYouHas wrote:
I like your case on Ace, MrWiggles, I like it a lot. It also doesn't hurt that you happen to agree with me on the scum mason thing.
Unvote: Mr. Wiggles
Vote: Ace
This is what Mocsta was criticizing, about having a scum read on Wiggles and then immediately voting for whoever Wiggles builds a case on.
On March 21 2013 13:32 TranceStorm wrote:
Holy hell. Where were you to post that case a few hours ago Wiggles? Its certainly the best case I've seen yet for this lynch -> Ace has done next to nothing this game besides post a few vague suspicions and jump onto the VE lynch. The most damning evidence I've seen yet, as Wiggles points out, is the fact that Ace says "We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.", but does no analysis or anything else during the entire day! Voting for VE certainly cannot have been too taxing on his part, why not help the town out?
This is what Mocsta was criticizing in a nutshell. Looks way scummimer than DYH's slip imo, because it adds so much less to the case. And personally I just hate his use of exclamation points, so there's that, too.
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On March 21 2013 09:19 TestSubject893 wrote:I liked it. He makes some good points Zare and GK aren't looking great in my eyes. Geript was on there at one point but has moved back toward null since. Show nested quote +Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? Yes, but there's some a possibility that they are both anti-town but on different factions, so its not the end of the world. I'll reevaluate as new information becomes available, no need to blindly speculate now.
I didn't like how Testsubject's opinion on cosmic's case is almost as null of an opinion as he can give; very few details, and if he liked it so much, where was he pushing it?
I also want to know why I'm not looking great in his eyes. Testsubject, what is scummy about me?
He just reads as being very unconcerned, and possibly trying to avoid suspicion.
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GK I have ignored ever since BH's logs with him. They both seemed town and what they said in there was consistent with how they behaved in the thread.
BH, from what i can tell, is genuinely trying to figure the game out, albeit he spent the first two days in a tunnel.
CC I maintain looks very scummy. His filter didn't change much over the past 20 pages that I had to catch up on, and I think a CC lynch would be grand.
DYH I read as town early but when I look at all of his towniest moments they are all simply him adding on to other people's cases. He picked up the zarepath case, he picked up the VE case, he picked up the Ace case. I don't see a lot of unique reads from him and I will be paying better attention to him going forward.
For some reason I thought DYH would mayor this game after D1, but he's kind of disappointed since. It doesn't help that we lynched another player who could easily have formed a mayor role.
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Vivax, right now I'm convinced there's scum in one of these three players: TestSubject, Trance, and CC. I'm more convinced of CC than the others, but I haven't studied their filters in full since the beginning of D2. That's on my to-do list for today.
Another thing worth doing is probably analyzing the votes from D1 and D2, now that we have two sets of data points.
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Shoot, and throw Wiggles in there, too. Apparently there's four of 'em.
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Yeah, I'd put my vote on a CC lynch first thing in the morning. But I want to look through all four of those filters tonight and compare scumminess between.
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I meant "shoot" as in "darn," not as in "go shoot that guy." I forgot he was in my pool of most suspect suspects.
Vigis should focus on scum, imo. Coag's posts are pretty easy to read for me; they push thoughts and discussion forward, even though they're short and coarse.
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On March 22 2013 01:48 Vivax wrote:Ok I didn't know that idiom. Anyway, there's something I find odd, you agree that TS is scummy here for his switch from Wiggles to Ace. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 01:06 zarepath wrote:I had a strong town read on DYH because of how he attacked me D1 with more effort than anybody else, but his D2 he was just flipping from town sentiment to town sentiment. He's usually one of the first on the wagon, but not THE first: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:42 DoYouHas wrote:
I like your case on Ace, MrWiggles, I like it a lot. It also doesn't hurt that you happen to agree with me on the scum mason thing.
Unvote: Mr. Wiggles
Vote: Ace
This is what Mocsta was criticizing, about having a scum read on Wiggles and then immediately voting for whoever Wiggles builds a case on.Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 13:32 TranceStorm wrote:
Holy hell. Where were you to post that case a few hours ago Wiggles? Its certainly the best case I've seen yet for this lynch -> Ace has done next to nothing this game besides post a few vague suspicions and jump onto the VE lynch. The most damning evidence I've seen yet, as Wiggles points out, is the fact that Ace says "We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.", but does no analysis or anything else during the entire day! Voting for VE certainly cannot have been too taxing on his part, why not help the town out? This is what Mocsta was criticizing in a nutshell. Looks way scummimer than DYH's slip imo, because it adds so much less to the case. And personally I just hate his use of exclamation points, so there's that, too. But even after I pointed out that DYH and GK did the same, you don't say they're scummy for what TS did as well + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 01:24 zarepath wrote:
GK I have ignored ever since BH's logs with him. They both seemed town and what they said in there was consistent with how they behaved in the thread.
DYH I read as town early but when I look at all of his towniest moments they are all simply him adding on to other people's cases. He picked up the zarepath case, he picked up the VE case, he picked up the Ace case. I don't see a lot of unique reads from him and I will be paying better attention to him going forward.
For some reason I thought DYH would mayor this game after D1, but he's kind of disappointed since. It doesn't help that we lynched another player who could easily have formed a mayor role. You abstained from giving a DYH read and said you will look forward. How does this change your read on him?
I think DYH deserves a look because, as I've said, he is usually on somebody else's bandwagon. The reason I suspect TS more is because DYH did a lot on day 1 to make himself read town to me. He didn't need to dredge up my filters from old games and do a meta read on me if he's scum; the wagon was already rolling. TS has been consistently a low contributor, flying under the radar.
I really want to focus my analysis on those four players because they're the ones whose contributions are low in both substance and quantity, and I don't want them nagging me in the back of my mind all game. I want to punish the inactive players, whether they be scum or town, until they read clearly enough to me of whichever alignment they are.
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On March 22 2013 01:52 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 01:08 zarepath wrote:On March 21 2013 09:19 TestSubject893 wrote: Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? I liked it. He makes some good points Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Zare and GK aren't looking great in my eyes. Geript was on there at one point but has moved back toward null since. Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? Yes, but there's some a possibility that they are both anti-town but on different factions, so its not the end of the world. I'll reevaluate as new information becomes available, no need to blindly speculate now. I didn't like how Testsubject's opinion on cosmic's case is almost as null of an opinion as he can give; very few details, and if he liked it so much, where was he pushing it? I also want to know why I'm not looking great in his eyes. Testsubject, what is scummy about me? He just reads as being very unconcerned, and possibly trying to avoid suspicion. I wasn't pushing that case because I wasn't reading the thread at that point... Honestly I didn't focus on it much because I was trying to get caught up. You've been scummy mostly because of the tone and perceived motivation of some of your posts. I'm not feeling as strongly about it anymore though to be honest. If you are scum you're at the back of line right now, we'll focus on you more when we need to.
Why aren't you feeling it as much now? You read me as scum and you don't as much now, and I'd like justification for that. Also it will make me feel better about myself hopefully.
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DYH, it'd be better if you posted those reads at the end of N2 because if scum has any faith that you'll find something Day 1 and that there's a medic for WoS they'll just kill you before you give the cases
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Vivax, I find it odd that you're constantly calling other people scummy based on the assumption that I am scum, but have never pushed for my lynch. I read you as town because you are making a lot of reads and are being proactive, but I think you're tunneling a little bit. I found your insight into the vote-switching to be a lot more worthwhile.
Most honest reads that people provide will have both scum and town points in them, because no scum or town player looks 100% that way or the other; many things can be construed either way.
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Look at the first sentnece of your post and tell me you're not tunneling.
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So at this point, we have to guess whether Vivax killed a townie before dying, or we assume that the KP went up by 1. Looking through Vivax's filter, is it clear that he would shoot goodkarma? Checking on that.
I assume that GoodKarma protected WoS before dying, in which case I don't think we can rely on another night out of WoS, especially if mafia/3rd parties have 3 KP now instead of 2.
I am probably going to sheep you on cosmicomics, glurio, but let me give him another read this morning first.
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EBWOP: Yes, I am going to assume that Vivax Sworded GoodKarma. He voted for him yesterday, and near the end of N2 he was asking for cosmic's opinions on both GK and VE.
Also, too bad about Mocsta.
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WoS, what do you think about cosmic? Do you consider TS, glurio, and Wiggles all scummier than him?
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I thought Cosmic's case against VE was scummy when it came around because it focused mainly on defending another player, not on attacking VE on a logical basis. geript's point that WF's flip makes cosmic look pretty scummy is a very legitimate one and I am willing to vote on that basis -- that cosmic's main contribution was defending a scummy player under the premise of making a case against VE.
##Vote: cosmicomics
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On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once.
This what you are looking for WoS?
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How do we know there's only 4 scum left, WoS?
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On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?
Why no opinion about cosmicomics? He hard-defended Wade Fell while attacking VE, who has claimed vet and we have no reason to doubt him. He is a low contributor and the tone of his posts seems very incongruous to his actual standing in the thread. He seems unwilling to recognize his low standing in the town, and thus the very tone of his posts is a sham.
I understand a Wiggles lynch but I really think cosmicomics looks scummier.
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Why not cosmicomics? And why DP?
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