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On March 20 2013 12:51 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 12:29 Mocsta wrote:
What I want to know from you
Is what do you think of the people that instantly said "zare must be town, cos Kei flipped town"
I'd take it on a case by case basis. Off the top of my head, I think it's scummy that (iirc) the people who instantly dismissed it haven't been trying to push someone else or really even pressure other people. Especially since in reviewing his filter, nothing has changed in my mind. He's still coming off as unsure and guarded (continued meta inconsistency). I really hated his last post re: stirring up the thread (steering towards negative town atmosphere). The fishing for information re: VE's role name rubbed me the wrong way too (information gathering). It just seems absolutely insane to me that so many people came off as 50/50 on Zare/GM but unwilling/unwanting to keep pressure on him whatsoever. That doesn't match town mentality in my book. Show nested quote +
By what do i think; I actually infer:
What is your opinion of the situation? i.e. is it valid reasoning?
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Is this type of reasoning; alignment indicative? If so, which direction?
Could you clarify what you mean by this exactly? I'm not quite sure I answered your questions but I'm also not sure I got what you were asking.
You answered it.
I was subtlely asking for a "scenario" alignment read on layabout
Now you know he is who I was asking about.. would you agree once more, that the action is of a scummy nature?
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On March 20 2013 12:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Mocsta.
You want to read my last 5-6 posts and check again?
##Unvote
Agreed.. its funny, i wrote my (meta-case) on you based on that lone post.
I checked ya filter just now, and indeed, I am getting frustation; and you trying to push others.
That satisfies what I deem to be your town meta.
I think its important to consider what you wrote here:
On March 20 2013 11:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I love all the people coming out of the woodwork now just to toss an easy lynch vote on me.
So amusing.
VERY FUCKING TRUE...
Guys, mafia is having a field day with this.... take a step back and look how it unfolded is my suggestion. Scum is there to be found.
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On March 20 2013 12:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Mocsta did you even fucking read this page?
Yes I did.
Response is above.
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Sciberbia
I dont want this request below to be lost.
On March 20 2013 11:59 sciberbia wrote:
Hi all. I plan to be here for the next several hours.
I agree with the general sentiment that lynching either BH or VE is dumb today as a matter of general strategy. here is no really strong evidence that either of them is scum. I don't think they should be lynch candidates. On March 20 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Sci..
the above is interesting.. so far the only case I noticed on VE is from DarthPunk.
Henceforth, the corollary is that the DP case on VE is rubbish (i..e not really strong)
Lets get context here: DP is a strong player.. after all DP does have the highest win ratio on the TL Database. And has had scum and town games that have all resulted in the same outcome.. victory
With that context: Do you expect more substance from a town DP? If the case is "not strong' as you suggest, what impact does this have on your DP read?
In addition: please add in the context that DP de-lurked specifically to bandwagon WoS.
What is your DP read pl0x
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On March 20 2013 12:15 Coagulation wrote:
I dont think WOS is scum. but my reads are pretty shit this early in the game so take it with a grain of salt.
Coagulation
I agree honey.
All this bandwagoning for WoS has cut me deeply
Now... I dont want my blood to spray freely, some coagulation would be nice 
Can you please share some pointers to why you think WoS is town; when everyone else is sheeping freely.
I have a good reason to ask, but can explain post-hoc.
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On March 20 2013 13:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote:SciberbiaI dont want this request below to be lost. On March 20 2013 11:59 sciberbia wrote:
Hi all. I plan to be here for the next several hours.
I agree with the general sentiment that lynching either BH or VE is dumb today as a matter of general strategy. here is no really strong evidence that either of them is scum. I don't think they should be lynch candidates. On March 20 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Sci..
the above is interesting.. so far the only case I noticed on VE is from DarthPunk.
Henceforth, the corollary is that the DP case on VE is rubbish (i..e not really strong)
Lets get context here: DP is a strong player.. after all DP does have the highest win ratio on the TL Database. And has had scum and town games that have all resulted in the same outcome.. victory
With that context: Do you expect more substance from a town DP? If the case is "not strong' as you suggest, what impact does this have on your DP read?
In addition: please add in the context that DP de-lurked specifically to bandwagon WoS. What is your DP read pl0x I think you'll find that before I bandwagoned WOS taht I posted a question to coag. and that that question was from about 10 pages back in the thread. So If you were really paying attention you would realise that I had just come back and started to read things. So in essence. NO. I did not 'delurk' to bandwagon WoS. I came back. read the thread. read kita's case which i feel to be very strong, and then voted for WoS based on that. What are you trying to say here? that you think I am scum? if you are how about YOU in fact say it rather than try and prompt others into saying it for you.
Nice interjection DP. Curious is it not?
I had a premonition that you wanted to know Sciberbia read on you?
I thought I was doing you a favour dear.
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On March 20 2013 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:24 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 13:18 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote:SciberbiaI dont want this request below to be lost. On March 20 2013 11:59 sciberbia wrote:
Hi all. I plan to be here for the next several hours.
I agree with the general sentiment that lynching either BH or VE is dumb today as a matter of general strategy. here is no really strong evidence that either of them is scum. I don't think they should be lynch candidates. On March 20 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Sci..
the above is interesting.. so far the only case I noticed on VE is from DarthPunk.
Henceforth, the corollary is that the DP case on VE is rubbish (i..e not really strong)
Lets get context here: DP is a strong player.. after all DP does have the highest win ratio on the TL Database. And has had scum and town games that have all resulted in the same outcome.. victory
With that context: Do you expect more substance from a town DP? If the case is "not strong' as you suggest, what impact does this have on your DP read?
In addition: please add in the context that DP de-lurked specifically to bandwagon WoS. What is your DP read pl0x I think you'll find that before I bandwagoned WOS taht I posted a question to coag. and that that question was from about 10 pages back in the thread. So If you were really paying attention you would realise that I had just come back and started to read things. So in essence. NO. I did not 'delurk' to bandwagon WoS. I came back. read the thread. read kita's case which i feel to be very strong, and then voted for WoS based on that. What are you trying to say here? that you think I am scum? if you are how about YOU in fact say it rather than try and prompt others into saying it for you. Nice interjection DP. Curious is it not? I had a premonition that you wanted to know Sciberbia read on you? I thought I was doing you a favour dear. WTF are you talking about? I don't care what people's reads on me are unless I am about to get mislynched.
Interesting choice of words.
Personally, its a favourite move of mine to throw in the word 'mislynch" when scum. Its a soft-town claim as I am sure you are aware. In fact, I used the word in hydra when under the pump
Lets be fair: Yes, town can say it.. but.. truth be told. I havent seen a town say it until they under genuine pressure of lynch.. And well, you are simply not in that position are you?. so it is fascinating that you choose to overreact and beat this drum so hard so early.
Now in case you are struggling to piece together my motives. Let me be transparent.
I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched.
So when I am asking others for opinions on YOU.. I think its bullshit to over-react and cut in like you did. now my questions to sciberbia are tainted all because of your 'choice of actions' and impatience.
I am not trying to elicit stances for funsies. Everything has a purpose. And so far.. I got way more than I expected... WAY MORE.
As for the criteria you raised earlier.
+ Show Spoiler +
OK, you voted for WoS post-kita case, and pre-WoS limp "permission" post which you decided to call out.
Do you want a pat on the back for making the follow up?
& You can also continue to over-react over my choice of word in "de-lurk" which perhaps can be rephrased as decided to make your first post in essentially one hour.
As for your spiel about calling scum directly instead of "prompting". Trust me, when I want to call you scum. I shall... and if others want to call you scum, it wont be because *I* gave them permission to either.
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On March 20 2013 13:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Zarepath is in a scummy little basket along with along with TPS, Layabout and Cosmic.
The problem with all these people is that A.) I have never played with them before so it is hard to tell if they are just always scummy/lynchbait or if there is something wrong. B.) I am scared of mislynching into lynchbait.
Im personally worried about layabout.
I didnt find him townie in Mafia LX, but quite a few vets did.
I havnt compared filters, but I am getting a gut feeling difference betwen the two games.
Hes posts are still infrequent, but seems more I guess.. belligerent this game. Hes a priority fitler read for me at the moment.
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On March 20 2013 13:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:24 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 13:18 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote:SciberbiaI dont want this request below to be lost. On March 20 2013 11:59 sciberbia wrote:
Hi all. I plan to be here for the next several hours.
I agree with the general sentiment that lynching either BH or VE is dumb today as a matter of general strategy. here is no really strong evidence that either of them is scum. I don't think they should be lynch candidates. On March 20 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Sci..
the above is interesting.. so far the only case I noticed on VE is from DarthPunk.
Henceforth, the corollary is that the DP case on VE is rubbish (i..e not really strong)
Lets get context here: DP is a strong player.. after all DP does have the highest win ratio on the TL Database. And has had scum and town games that have all resulted in the same outcome.. victory
With that context: Do you expect more substance from a town DP? If the case is "not strong' as you suggest, what impact does this have on your DP read?
In addition: please add in the context that DP de-lurked specifically to bandwagon WoS. What is your DP read pl0x I think you'll find that before I bandwagoned WOS taht I posted a question to coag. and that that question was from about 10 pages back in the thread. So If you were really paying attention you would realise that I had just come back and started to read things. So in essence. NO. I did not 'delurk' to bandwagon WoS. I came back. read the thread. read kita's case which i feel to be very strong, and then voted for WoS based on that. What are you trying to say here? that you think I am scum? if you are how about YOU in fact say it rather than try and prompt others into saying it for you. Nice interjection DP. Curious is it not? I had a premonition that you wanted to know Sciberbia read on you? I thought I was doing you a favour dear. WTF are you talking about? I don't care what people's reads on me are unless I am about to get mislynched. Interesting choice of words. Personally, its a favourite move of mine to throw in the word 'mislynch" when scum. Its a soft-town claim as I am sure you are aware. In fact, I used the word in hydra when under the pump Lets be fair: Yes, town can say it.. but.. truth be told. I havent seen a town say it until they under genuine pressure of lynch.. And well, you are simply not in that position are you?. so it is fascinating that you choose to overreact and beat this drum so hard so early.
Now in case you are struggling to piece together my motives. Let me be transparent. I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched. So when I am asking others for opinions on YOU.. I think its bullshit to over-react and cut in like you did. now my questions to sciberbia are tainted all because of your 'choice of actions' and impatience. I am not trying to elicit stances for funsies. Everything has a purpose. And so far.. I got way more than I expected... WAY MORE.
As for the criteria you raised earlier. + Show Spoiler +
OK, you voted for WoS post-kita case, and pre-WoS limp "permission" post which you decided to call out.
Do you want a pat on the back for making the follow up?
& You can also continue to over-react over my choice of word in "de-lurk" which perhaps can be rephrased as decided to make your first post in essentially one hour.
As for your spiel about calling scum directly instead of "prompting". Trust me, when I want to call you scum. I shall... and if others want to call you scum, it wont be because *I* gave them permission to either.
Read any of my last 5 town games. Z-Boson once brought up that it was part of my meta that I never used the word mislynch as a townie and that I solely did so as scum. Since then I have started to use the word as both alignments. Now I wasn't reacting because I was the focus of whatever you were trying to do with sciberbia. I was reacting because you were phrasing what seemed to be a question in a way that seemes to lead others to draw the conclusion that you wished. That, to me, does not seem like a genuine attempt to gather information and then draw a conclusion. That to me seems like an attempt to find information that reaches the conclusion you wish it to reach. and THAT is scummy as fuck. Yes, you can treat the event however you want.
This has created a new question for me though I would like you to address pl0x
Context:
In your opinion I phrased some of your thread interactions as scummy.
I subsequently asked someone for their opinion of you.
You are concerned that I am trying to 'lead" them to calling you scummy. (i.e. force their conclusion
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Q:
For you to react this way, you must think that Sciberbia is easily influenced.
(1) What is your alignment position on Sciberbia?
I did the same thing with Geript and Layabout, and Geipt came back with a town-ish read..
(2) Why are you so worried that Sciberbia would find you scummy? - Enough to interject at the least.
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On March 20 2013 14:06 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:24 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 13:18 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote:SciberbiaI dont want this request below to be lost. On March 20 2013 11:59 sciberbia wrote:
Hi all. I plan to be here for the next several hours.
I agree with the general sentiment that lynching either BH or VE is dumb today as a matter of general strategy. here is no really strong evidence that either of them is scum. I don't think they should be lynch candidates. On March 20 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote:
Sci..
the above is interesting.. so far the only case I noticed on VE is from DarthPunk.
Henceforth, the corollary is that the DP case on VE is rubbish (i..e not really strong)
Lets get context here: DP is a strong player.. after all DP does have the highest win ratio on the TL Database. And has had scum and town games that have all resulted in the same outcome.. victory
With that context: Do you expect more substance from a town DP? If the case is "not strong' as you suggest, what impact does this have on your DP read?
In addition: please add in the context that DP de-lurked specifically to bandwagon WoS. What is your DP read pl0x I think you'll find that before I bandwagoned WOS taht I posted a question to coag. and that that question was from about 10 pages back in the thread. So If you were really paying attention you would realise that I had just come back and started to read things. So in essence. NO. I did not 'delurk' to bandwagon WoS. I came back. read the thread. read kita's case which i feel to be very strong, and then voted for WoS based on that. What are you trying to say here? that you think I am scum? if you are how about YOU in fact say it rather than try and prompt others into saying it for you. Nice interjection DP. Curious is it not? I had a premonition that you wanted to know Sciberbia read on you? I thought I was doing you a favour dear. WTF are you talking about? I don't care what people's reads on me are unless I am about to get mislynched. Interesting choice of words. Personally, its a favourite move of mine to throw in the word 'mislynch" when scum. Its a soft-town claim as I am sure you are aware. In fact, I used the word in hydra when under the pump Lets be fair: Yes, town can say it.. but.. truth be told. I havent seen a town say it until they under genuine pressure of lynch.. And well, you are simply not in that position are you?. so it is fascinating that you choose to overreact and beat this drum so hard so early.
Now in case you are struggling to piece together my motives. Let me be transparent. I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched.So when I am asking others for opinions on YOU.. I think its bullshit to over-react and cut in like you did. now my questions to sciberbia are tainted all because of your 'choice of actions' and impatience. I am not trying to elicit stances for funsies. Everything has a purpose. And so far.. I got way more than I expected... WAY MORE.
As for the criteria you raised earlier. + Show Spoiler +
OK, you voted for WoS post-kita case, and pre-WoS limp "permission" post which you decided to call out.
Do you want a pat on the back for making the follow up?
& You can also continue to over-react over my choice of word in "de-lurk" which perhaps can be rephrased as decided to make your first post in essentially one hour.
As for your spiel about calling scum directly instead of "prompting". Trust me, when I want to call you scum. I shall... and if others want to call you scum, it wont be because *I* gave them permission to either.
Actually look at this post. He says he isn;t calling me scum. But he is colouring my quotes in red, look at how is doingg everything EXCEPT stating I am scum. and then he says this in the EXACT POST with RED QUOTES Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote:
I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched. he states he doesn't know if I am scum or not, which is contrary to every other thing in the exact same post. He is being wishy-washy. This doesn't add up at all.
Honey.. i picked up red quotes from supersoft & toadesstern - you gonna tell them as well that its scummy?
Red quotes stand out better than bold - ironically, the first time SS used red quotes on me, I was scum, and shat myself... i didnt have the guts to make the post you just did.. so thats a benefit in ya favour.
It just happens that a quote i found scummish and wanted it to stand out.
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On March 20 2013 14:08 sciberbia wrote:
Also, the fact that DP did not already know and therefore point out to you that I think he is town is comforting..
I agree with this.
Its an interesting contrast to WoS who is using references from me/Coag and co and part of his defense.
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On March 20 2013 14:13 sciberbia wrote:
@Mocsta
I really think this line of questioning is going nowhere. Off the top of my head, I can think of 5 times I have already said that I think the DP wagon is bad and that DP is town. If DP is in fact scum and does in fact care very much what I think about him, he would almost certainly have noticed this in my filter, and not been alarmed when you asked for my opinion.
I agree with this point in full as I mentioned above.
But my latest questions to DP have a different motive, so I would still like him to address them.
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DP,
This can be put to rest pretty easily. I apologise for jumping the gun and making thread comments without reading even 1/4 of Day 1. Thats pure laziness on my behalf, and there is no excuse for it.
Fact is, i think (and still think) you over reacted to my initial question on Sciberbia. Yes, it was suggestive, but in no way was it going to force a conclusion from him. And whether you care or not, the question was actually to gain a better understanding of sciberbia, not you.
Though I admit I was lazy in (not) reading the thread, I am still happy we went through this dance, because now I have a good town read on you.
As an aside: Ironically, you are doing the same thing you accuse me of doing.
You dont call me out as scum; but say, my actions exhibit mafia mentality.
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DP. Some aspects of WoS rebuttle I dont like (i.e. some areas he lacks in critical detail) but the confidence is there overall.
Now I find your question to WoS ironic, considering its leading nature.
I dindt call WoS instantly town. i voted him based on a meta read & even admit i havent read kita case
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057¤tpage=69#1372
Guess what.. hes where i unvote - and guess whats, its founded upon my meta case.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057¤tpage=70#1383
I just read kita case (cos was quoted in WoS filter) personally I think the points from Kita are valid enough i dont think it was a fake case from scum.
However, kita is writing as an experienced guy, and judging play on the same level as someone such as yourself
WoS doesnt fall into that category; and for many of the points kita raised, I could see a townie mentality doing the same thing. the case was essentially damned if you; damned if you dont logic.
WoS says stupid things each game.. seriously.
Hydra: read their filter for the blue claim slip...
Mafia LX: read his filter for his request to be pardoner...
For me, the case is upheld *ONLY IF* WoS hasnt pushed a lynch agenda during Day1. Thats when a sheep vote to me is scummy. From the quick filter browse i did, it looked like he satisfied the above, thus, making the case invalid to me.
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On March 20 2013 14:39 DarthPunk wrote:
That's me calling you scummy buddy.
The question is why were you asking suggestive questions at all? Rather than reading the thread you are saying you haven't read or asking questions that generate real evidence and not evidence that is biased by the very nature of those questions?
OK bud.
dude, u just played a game as scum in the same team as me. Yeah the game sentiment is different, but I can feel a complete difference in my confidence of posting. Maybe you didnt pay attention to my filter in that game, but heres a hint, i was very snide in personality2/hydra. It was my way of being "townie aggressive" and simultaneously casting doubt and having low time.
I dont think I am being snide this game and I still have low time. Yes, I am being an asshole to some ppl, but thats not snide.
I am not reading the thread cos im at work and been too busy @ home, and personally each time i have sat down to read Day1, i find the conversations really boring and cant motivate myself. I was initially excited by the low post count, but im finding many posts overly verbose and its a chore to read. Its just easier to interact in the now.
So my "suggestive questions" are me trying to ascertain ppls alignment to short cut reading the thread. Im not ashamed to admit it. I think you are finding it scummy because you are involved in the line of questioning; the actual technique is alignment null. I dont see how it pushes a scum agenda, and if you do think I am scum, you're welcome to show me how it does.
Also I dont think suggestive questions lead to biased information.. in fact, I think a suggestive question can lead to very hard evidence. But whatevs, thats a personal difference and im not here to debate heuristics with you.
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On March 20 2013 15:06 geript wrote:
Moc could you explain that logic more clearly. I'm not understanding that post at all.
I can, if you let me know what you're struggling to follow.
Surely its not the "whole thing"
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On March 20 2013 15:45 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:07 Mocsta wrote:I think its important to consider what you wrote here: On March 20 2013 11:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol I love all the people coming out of the woodwork now just to toss an easy lynch vote on me.
So amusing. VERY FUCKING TRUE... Guys, mafia is having a field day with this.... take a step back and look how it unfolded is my suggestion. Scum is there to be found. I'm not quite seeing the scum that easily amongst the votes that developed on WOS? You suggest that this is where scum will be, but could you lend me a hand here? Wiggles vote was definitely dodgy, but I'm not seeing too much beyond that.
If you already found one guy.. is this a serious question?
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On March 20 2013 15:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 15:06 geript wrote:
Moc could you explain that logic more clearly. I'm not understanding that post at all. I can, if you let me know what you're struggling to follow. Surely its not the "whole thing" Here's what I mean: your problem with WoS as you summarize it is that in non-newb (non-first game) games he has more balls. You confront him on it. He turns on the 'balls factor.' You unvote based on said 'having balls' town read. Then you excuse the kita case essentially based on experienced player reading an experienced player when you say WoS isn't experienced and thus the whole case is invalid. There's nothing damning there and I can follow that at least. That said, I can't help but feel that this whole exchange is fishy because it comes off as you telling him how to act, then he acts that way, then you dismiss your vote and the case with a wave of the hand. (Pun intended). I categorize this as "Moc-type logic" but it still feels artificial to me. The last part is my real issue: Show nested quote +For me, the case is upheld *ONLY IF* WoS hasnt pushed a lynch agenda during Day1. Thats when a sheep vote to me is scummy. From the quick filter browse i did, it looked like he satisfied the above, thus, making the case invalid to me. You say the case is upheld only if WoS doesn't push a lynch agenda D1. Honestly, I didn't remember a lynch agenda from him D1 and the only points re:lynch are a +1 on DP and a preference on GM over Zare. He even noted his meta reads are crap; I think he also called my meta reads as crap (based on previous games where Zare had at least softclaimed town early). However, I don't remember him commenting on DYH's meta read at all. I don't see a real case push from WoS D1 which makes the case still stand then right?
Wow Geript.. I wrote this whole post and said fuck it. im not gonna be lazy, I will read 6 pages of WoS.
It changed everything. You are right. Kita case still stands.
I was wrong. this fucker did not do anything until the Kita case (which is the only stuff I read when WoS asked me to look @ his filter my derp)
I was under the impression he had pushed Mr.Wiggles all of Day 1.. obviously wrong. I dindt realise the majority of his filter came from late Night1/early Day 2. And also that the majority of his filter is just talking shit. There is not a clear agenda.
I need to read WoS defense of Kita case one more time, because I wasnt satisfied the first time around; but was giving undue credit for pushing a case Day1.
For your reference, the below is the post i was about to make before reading WoS filter.
+ Show Spoiler +
(1) "Balls"
Now for what you raised:
I didnt unvote WoS because he turned the balls factor on... that would be invalid (cos i gave him a way out)..
The way it went down: I skipped to the most recent page, saw that limp post of him and was like WTF, WoS doesnt play like that and made my meta validation vote post. It was that simple. I think its pretty obvious when i voted him, it was with intention to lynch.
He then identified to me, that he had "balls" before the meta case. As such, the meta case post in my opinion became his saving grace.
(2) Why lynch push is important
I know you love poker. so let me me analogous to that.
Pros expect a certain level of play, and can actually struggle against newbies, because they dont understand/conform to the "rules' of the game and make unpredicatable/stupid plays.
I believe that was the basis of kitaman case on WoS. Those tells on someone like DP would indeed be the nail in the coffin. Unfortunately I dont find them as strong on newbies, because typically they are not as aware of what constitutes good play; or the ramifications of their own play.
Hence why I said, Kita case points are indeed valid scum tells; but to me only point to a scum WoS if he hasnt pushed a lynch candidate hard. (That would be the turning point for me to consider the tells as scum, and not newbie town being unaware/stupid).
(3) Is the case invalid - i.e. did WoS push anyone hard
I need to do a proper read of his filter, instead of just a couple pages.
Based on Day2 play, I thought he pushed ppl; hence my retraction of vote.
Based on Day1 play, I havent read it (yet.. planning to tonight)
If WoS indeed only discussed "Im not familiar to know these meta reads" and didnt push a lynch vote, then I would give serious consideration to Kita case, and most likely lead to a vote on WoS.
Unfortunately, I am making a leap of faith currently that the targets WoS pushed today (i.e. Mr.Wiggles etc) are the same ppl from Day1. If that is the situation at hand, then I think Kita case is invalid in full.
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On March 20 2013 16:00 goodkarma wrote:
Regarding Wave:
I'm really not liking Wave as a lynch candidate for today. The way in which Wave has defended himself feels like an indignant townie to me. After a rather stupid troll response to Kita's case, I feel he has put in a decent effort to defend himself. Yes, Kita's case is rather solid and Wave has acted pretty scummy. But I'm leaning toward him being a bad town.
Please walk me though your read as bad town. What has he done specifically to sway you that way?
Regarding Mr. Wiggles:
As for Mr. Wiggles, I'm not impressed with what he's had to say today. I feel that what he did in his night 1 post is pretty damning, and the lack of drive he seems to have today to step up his game has done nothing to convince me he isn't scum. His "excuse" seems to be that he can't spend all day playing this game. However, I refuse to believe he would need that long to have more reads than he's had (and some actual conviction behind them).
As for Wave, the only person he's really pushed today, I'd argue he's an easy case to push regardless of alignment. I'm keeping my vote on Wiggles. And I encourage those still on Wave to take a serious look into his filter. I believe he's more likely to flip red than Wave is. This is weird.
If you think Wave has some likelihood to flip red.. why are you supporting a scum reads lynch candidate?
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On March 20 2013 16:09 TranceStorm wrote:
The implication you were driving at was that there were several mafia members driving the lynch. There is no need to be so vague in your questions. Just out your suspicions.
Why? I dont know the scum team, so not inferring any knowledge of the sort.
Anywho:
Since when does scum infer plurality;
Since when do scum have to be present at all times in the day to coordinate bandwagons TOGETHER?
(Thats rhetorical if you choose to reply)
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