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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Keep up the good work gents. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Second off: On March 16 2013 16:41 geript wrote: When I hit the idea of tarot cards, there were a few things that didn't quite match up. First off the major arcana are usually comprised of roughly twenty or so cards. But in the setup there's only 17 named roles. Additionally the roles don't quite matchup exactly. The Devil, Fool and the Tower are straight copies. The Priest could be the Heirophant. The Empress could be the Snake or the Mirror. The others are harder to tell. Does anyone else think that this could be based off of a tarot reading? On March 16 2013 16:20 ThePeashooter wrote: [/red][/red][/red][/red]Good morning all! I would expect these numbers to be about accurate. To take it a step further we can look at the list and speculate what each name may relate to. This is all assuming the role names indicate what the role might entail, which I doubt is much of a stretch. I think once we have some flips and have a better idea of how roles correspond to names/numbers. As a warning to this, I imagine the host is well aware that having every name/role listed in the OP could be used to break the game if it were that straight forward. So we should keep that in mind if any sort of plan is brought up involving name claiming. I specifically remember a game I once played where the Mafia aligned team was able to kill an extra person each night if they could correctly guess their role/name. I wouldn't be surprised if that or a similar mechanism was designed into this given the information we have been presented with. Stop doing this. There is no use in forming assumptions based off no fact at all. As another aside directed towards Wade: On March 16 2013 16:24 Wade Fell wrote: Is this your first mafia game or are you really a smurf of someone i know trying to pull this garbage While I also think that what he is doing atm is very useless, Why do you think it is worth killing for? | ||
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sandroba
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GreYMisT
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On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote: Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? | ||
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DoYouHas
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DoYouHas
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I think it is more likely that geript would have stayed with his RNG lynching if he was scum than if he was town. There is virtually no risk of actually lynching the person you random so this "he randomed his scumbuddy and abandoned ship" idea is pretty bad. After this he goes into setup speculation which is something that peashooter was already getting heat for (not something scum do). When challenged, he directly refers to the thing BH says is most scummy about peashooter (going to bed), and then follows suit. This doesn't strike me as a show of confidence in his innocence, this strikes me as actual confidence. Nothing geript has discussed so far has been constructive, but I don't think that makes him scum. I really like VE's SAST idea after thinking it over and I would love to apply once I am convinced that I can keep up the activity (lurking has been a problem for me in the past). But just so I am clear, the votes go towards the group's opinion, not VE's opinion, right? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote: In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome  The use of anecdotal evidence to push a non-existent policy is pretty scummy here. Unless lynching townclaims has become a thing. Is this what the kenpachi rule is for, or is that only for kenpachi? So uh, how about the part where he directly acknowledges that VE always opens up with a "hai I'm town" to some degree, and in spite of this, the townclaim is scummy? It should be read as null, every time, unless there's some meta "tone" read that I can't pick up on. Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum. | ||
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Vivax
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I realize some of this stuff might have already been said I hoped this game would be different, less conversation pulling you into an endless circle of impulsive-responsive answers to the last questions, burying information faster and faster while your intention to go back and dig something up correlates negatively with the amount of new, possibly pointless questions that arise on the newest pages. Seems like we're back to what I've seen in most of the latter games and I'd like if we could change that thanks. Consolidate your posts, don't nitpick. Put huge quotes in spoilers. This for example is not ok: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 16:18 DarthPunk wrote: You say that but in my last game with him he rage quit because everyone else was too stupid 0_o I have the objective to make lurkers post initially, and make roleplayers and trolls play normally. To do so I like to threaten with lynches. But I mostly got called scummy for doing this when it's something that makes sense. Policies are good, cause no one wants to lynch coinflips. But if you vote early for multiple coinflips, you will see which people are more eager to go with specific coinflips, and you will see how these coinflips react to the prospective of a lynch. Force people to play in a way that is useful on D1, so they will have to keep that up throughout the game if it's shown they are able to. That is all on general gameplay I wanted to say. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ I snipped some stuff out from this post, but I want to say I already like goodkarma since he promotes good targets. I'll have to disagree with one thing though: Lurker lynches don't suck (in absence of really strong cases). With this attitude, you encourage D1 lurking. Change your mind before deadline if it need be, but lurker lynching has to be a visible threat for those during the day. The other stuff I agree with, leave setup speculation to D2 possibly. + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 16:17 goodkarma wrote: Regarding lurker lynches: Town lurkers seem to be semi-prevalent in these bigger games, and as such imho there will be better people to lynch day one. Leave lurkers to vigis if need be. And as for "randomized lynching," we should be able to get some decent scumreads day one. Sure, day one can be challenging, but it's not impossible to get a solid scum lynch the first day. So again, no thanks. Regarding Setup Speculation: Until such a time we find this game has heavily themed aspects, I highly recommend we don't waste time on setup speculation and focus on finding scum. So far, I like Wade's contributions. He brings up good points regarding peashooter (leaning scum) and geript, although when comparing Wade's points to sciberbia's: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote: I've got some stuff to say about geript The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. First point is about phrasing. I agree that it's strange that geript doesn't simply go for Zarepath without telling us about his awesome RNG stuff and waiting for us to jump on it (as if one ever would), it feels to me like he knows himself how useless it is and just saw other people doing it and getting away with it. I don't think it's a matter of phrasing though. I feel like scib's points aren't very aggravating. I'm used to scum getting nervous when called out, not leaving the thread. Then there's this weird connection case that reads too much into this hipster RNG-thing and doesn't really tell us anything useful about geript or Zare. In summary, I agree with sciberbia's target as being a subject to scrutiny, but not with most of sciberbia's arguments. Go read LX first if you want a meta read on geript cause he got mislynched there for some strange play (I think he's rather new here, it's ok) Sciberbia: Then there's the interaction between VE and sciberbia which left me slightly scummish on sciberbia for the reasons VE pointed out, mainly. I'll wait to see how he keeps performing. In the last mafia game with him in team he usually made huge posts with really good reads and posted very few, but accurately. He is a guy who knows how to position himself read-wise to look good while sounding good. Sandro: I don't like this post. Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red. + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote: Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is. Keep up the good work gents. Greymist: Quick in believing Wade would kill Peashooter over such a thing. Putting the thought out there is good play at early stage. Seems to not support the pressure. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On March 16 2013 23:38 Hopeless1der wrote: The use of anecdotal evidence to push a non-existent policy is pretty scummy here. Unless lynching townclaims has become a thing. Is this what the kenpachi rule is for, or is that only for kenpachi? So uh, how about the part where he directly acknowledges that VE always opens up with a "hai I'm town" to some degree, and in spite of this, the townclaim is scummy? It should be read as null, every time, unless there's some meta "tone" read that I can't pick up on. Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum. I agree with this look at Zarepath. It appears to me that he is trying to find things to say. | ||
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Vivax
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He be lurkin' | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
I'll try to keep the setup speculation brief, but we do have a small amount of information going in to this. We know that it is unlikely that there are more than two investigative roles based on the post in another thread. As such, investigative roles should keep this in mind. We also know that this game will likely contain several masons, based on the discussions from the mafia podcast. If a player like sandroba is masoning a newer player, I feel that he should be providing a pretty good reason for doing so. More often than not, a vet selects a newer player in order to manipulate them via pms. I'm certainly open to anyone that would like to mason myself. <3 VE, I'm totally going to form a rival scum hunting team that's going to destroy yours. On March 16 2013 22:28 GreYMisT wrote: First off, fairly busy today, so I'll be more active in around 5 hours. Second off: Stop doing this. There is no use in forming assumptions based off no fact at all. I disagree 100%. In fact, it was my favorite post in the thread so far. I find the easiest way to townhunt on day one is to look for players that are sharing the same train of thought as yourself. Before even reading this post, I was going to mention that we could try to take advantage of a claim at some point if we have evidence based on flips that evil sounding roles such as the Snake, Devil, or Nightmare are mafia aligned. I suggested something very similar in Chrono Trigger, and while it did not immediately pay off due to mafia fake claims, it put the mafia in a position where they had to claim a role that did not fit their character name. Most importantly, ThePeashooter seems to be trying to come up with a plan that benefits town, showing he likely has the town's best interest in mind. Upon first read, zarepath's reads seem ticky tacky at best. "I'm town" posts should be mostly ignored (Except mine. I'm totally town!). Even though last game, the players claiming town may have been scum, over a much larger sample size, it it pretty irrelevant. Suspecting Coag for joining VE's silly group seems like you want to post suspicious of someone, but you don't actually have anything to go with, so you provide a reason, without thinking to yourself whether its a single bit relevant. GoodKarma's post sounds like a generic, "I need to post, but I don't have much to say". On March 16 2013 23:48 Vivax wrote: ##Vote kitaman27 He be lurkin' Naw just sleeping, though I do assure you that learning to post while sleeping is an utmost priority. | ||
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sandroba
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kitaman27
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On March 17 2013 01:36 sandroba wrote: Kita, I love your post. And yes, I will join your team. Heading out, see you gents tomorrow. As long as tomorrow means tomorrow and not hour 46 of day 2. | ||
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ThePeashooter
United States100 Posts
Coagulation I see no reason for you to continue being in this game. You have posted nothing of value and show no signs of doing so. On March 16 2013 16:46 Coagulation wrote: im town thank god Annoying spam is annoying. I always hated when people do this and that is not going to change. Why bother saying it? I know making my first post always feels contrived because I never know where to begin, but just saying something stupid and worthless is even worse. Here are his other two gems. On March 16 2013 16:58 Coagulation wrote: ##APPLY: SAST On March 16 2013 17:07 Coagulation wrote: shucks Yeah, its only 3 posts. But I don't care. This trend is stupid and I don't feel like letting this game succumb to spam or stupidity. Vote: Coagulation | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Oatsmaster accidentally posted a download link to the full role list/setup for The Game. He edited it out quickly. If anyone downloaded this, PM me and tell me NOW. If I even suspect that you read this list and you do not confess, I will request ad nauseum that you are permanently banned from Mafia and temporarily banned from TeamLiquid as a whole. If you downloaded it, let me know, you will be removed from the game immediately with no punishment. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for votes, I can tell you I don't have many. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for scum like you. If you let my town go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not analyze you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will lynch you. That was fun!  Now for real stuff: I don't like GreYMisT's first post. A few people had already called out Peashooter's post as not being particularly useful, but even after that, he still feels the need to scold him for it. It looks like he wanted to make a "strong" entrance and needed something to be strong about. I don't like goodkarma's posts so far either. They're quite bland in nature. The first one is a simply policy post pointing out pretty trivial/obvious stuff. I note that at the bottom he says that " I highly recommend we don't waste time on setup speculation and focus on finding scum.". Next post, he calls out VE, but again the way he disagrees with him is pretty uninspired. He's just mentions general things that are supposed to make up good town play, but doesn't give more solid reasoning than that. I contrast that to zarepath's post, in which he provides more solid reasoning for why he disagrees. Again, at the bottom of the post he says, "I humbly request we focus on scumhunting.". This is what sets me off about him, because both times, he only mentions general things that paint decent town play in broad strokes, and mentions that we should focus on scumhunting. However, he doesn't seem like he wants to do that himself yet. The first post is pretty excusable, because it was very early in the game, but before his second post, there was enough people/content in the thread that he could have had some ideas on players. However, he doesn't post any. He posts a general opposition to VE's plan, but doesn't say what that makes him think one way or the other about VE himself. Then after that, he asks the thread to scumhunt. This looks a lot to me like a player who wants to look like they're promoting a good atmosphere without doing anything contributory himself by mentioning good town play, but not making a real effort to promote it or following his own example. So, those are two of the people I'm suspicious of right now that I'd like to share. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 17 2013 01:46 ThePeashooter wrote: Well shucks, I have the approval of a kitaman! Well then, let's get down to business. Coagulation I see no reason for you to continue being in this game. You have posted nothing of value and show no signs of doing so. Annoying spam is annoying. I always hated when people do this and that is not going to change. Why bother saying it? I know making my first post always feels contrived because I never know where to begin, but just saying something stupid and worthless is even worse. Here are his other two gems. Yeah, its only 3 posts. But I don't care. This trend is stupid and I don't feel like letting this game succumb to spam or stupidity. Vote: Coagulation Are you familiar with Coagulation's regular play? | ||
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ThePeashooter
United States100 Posts
No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do. But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit. Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria. | ||
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