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geript
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote: Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum. I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all. I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from. I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey. What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions. ##Vote: goodkarma Convince me you're not scum. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote: although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation. Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response? Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago. Ryu there isn't much to respond to if your greymist. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power? And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game: BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds. Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX. I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out. Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused. This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????). Also notice the line thrown in the middle: I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out. It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 17 2013 04:50 Coagulation wrote: peashooter would be my best bet for a scum lynch at this point. I hardly ever have good reads day 1. This quote suggests you don't actually think he's scum: On March 17 2013 04:30 Coagulation wrote: You want me to fabricate shit? cause if im gonna make shit up to get someone lynched it might as well be peashooter since hes kind of an ass. So, why is he scum other than the fact he voted for you? Because that's not a reason, at least not one that I've seen articulated well from you. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 17 2013 04:40 layabout wrote: Ryu there isn't much to respond to if your greymist. Are you suggesting sandroba is not a good town player and so his accusation should not be treated seriously? I don't understand this line of thought. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 16 2013 16:46 DarthPunk wrote: ##Vote:Geript I feel like I would like him to stop everything he is currently doing. What better way to silence someone than by lynching them? + Show Spoiler [Bias] + On March 16 2013 16:45 DarthPunk wrote: I feel the whole RNG thing is fucking retarded in general. But that's just me. (British mini) On January 04 2013 14:51 DarthPunk wrote: He is pissed off at an obviously crafted policy post. I myself hate that shit most of the time and can empathise with his position even if I don't agree with all of it. Not alignment indicative, really he is just stating his own policy. Aggression, unless used in a meta case, is not alignment indicative either. This game DarthPunk has vote for geript and wants him dead. And yet he appears to be doing this on the basis that geript was attempting an RNG lynch. He doesn't state that geript is scummy but still votes for him. DarthPunk admits that he hates that RNG/policy talk but NOT that it's scummy. This is scummy. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 17 2013 04:57 RyuSuzaku wrote: Are you suggesting sandroba is not a good town player and so his accusation should not be treated seriously? I don't understand this line of thought. There is nothing of substance for greymist to respond to, what is he supposed to say? sandro:"grey is scummy" grey:"No i am not" it wouldn't be productive at all | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 17 2013 04:54 zarepath wrote: This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????). Also notice the line thrown in the middle: It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why. Maybe to get me to respond you should make up another fake case on me and force me to defend myself.  No excuses here, but of the people I know in this game, very few have posted thus far so I can't read much into meta, and of the people I don't it's mostly speculative bullshit and others jumping down their throats based on a very early read. I'd rather make an educated case than a useless early game read/case that can get dumped on super quickly just to seem towny in your eyes, Zare. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On March 17 2013 04:10 layabout wrote: since it looks like you mightn't get an answer would you care to share your read on grey? I asked about grey because I could find very little about his meta. I know he hosts many games, but he doesn't seem to have played in many. Best I can tell so far, he seems very detached from this game, posting often, but saying very little... Having a look at his meta would really help, if anyone happens to know a game he has actually played in (and not hosted) I would love to look at it. @Mr. Wiggles: On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions. ##Vote: goodkarma Convince me you're not scum. Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have: 1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal 2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreads As far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day. But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... @Ryu: On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote: I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba Would you mind going a little more in depth on this case for me? From what I've seen in his past games, sandroba has been pretty lazy as both town and scum. The difference being the quality of his reads. From what I've seen so far, I'd say his assessments have been reasonable. What about his reads do you disagree with, or is this really just about his lazy posting style? | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote: Regarding Grey: I asked about grey because I could find very little about his meta. I know he hosts many games, but he doesn't seem to have played in many. Best I can tell so far, he seems very detached from this game, posting often, but saying very little... Having a look at his meta would really help, if anyone happens to know a game he has actually played in (and not hosted) I would love to look at it. @Mr. Wiggles: Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have: 1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal 2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreads As far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day. But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... @Ryu: Would you mind going a little more in depth on this case for me? From what I've seen in his past games, sandroba has been pretty lazy as both town and scum. The difference being the quality of his reads. From what I've seen so far, I'd say his assessments have been reasonable. What about his reads do you disagree with, or is this really just about his lazy posting style? it's mostly the interaction between greymist and sandroba. It felt forced-I am not entirely sure which player (or if both) are causing that feeling, or why. I want to hear sandroba and greymist explain themselves. Clearly greymist is around, but sandroba might not be. Greymist doesn't seem to care what sandroba thinks. | ||
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cosmicomics
81 Posts
On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote: Sandro: I don't like this post. Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red. What does town sandro look like? | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Here's sandroba's filter for fruity mafia, a game where he was town: Fruity Mafia | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
What do you think of DarthPunk? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote: And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response: On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. First off, I dislike the fact that you mix up my tarot card thoughts and place them on VE. The thing that doesn't make sense to me whatsoever is how this post flows. I'm not seeing the jump in logic between either the setup speculation being scummy Or how VE's post leads directly from that. It's a subtle transition from X+Y are scummy into it's useless. Then yoy transfer into: On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote: So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. I'm not getting the logic jump here either. There isn't any real reason listed. There's no reason to expect to be able to jump straight to fucking without a little foreplay. How do you explain this Zare? Why make a nothing post? | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
It's pretty pointless to be looking at the differences between a player's mafia and town play on Day 1. On Day 1 there is absolutely no reason for mafia members to behave differently than town members! In short, mafia players behave exactly like town players on Day 1: they throw around a few accusations, they might speculate on the different roles available in the game, and they might throw around a few town reads as well. All of this is possible because there is no information available at all. Differences in 'play' arise in the following days when information is revealed and pressure is put on certain players (i.e. when they have to justify their voting decisions in previous rounds). A player's behavior changes as a mafia member when they see their teammates under significant pressure. That's when play analysis comes in, not right now. It's much better to ask people for their beliefs to serve as a record for later rounds to measure for inconsistencies and what not. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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