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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:52 DoYouHas wrote: Layabout, since you clearly have looked into people going after geript (IE Darth), do you have an opinion of Scib as well? I'm putting together my thoughts on him and would like to compare notes with you. I like him. He is smart. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:19 geript wrote: First off, I dislike the fact that you mix up my tarot card thoughts and place them on VE. The thing that doesn't make sense to me whatsoever is how this post flows. I'm not seeing the jump in logic between either the setup speculation being scummy Or how VE's post leads directly from that. It's a subtle transition from X+Y are scummy into it's useless. Then yoy transfer into: I'm not getting the logic jump here either. There isn't any real reason listed. There's no reason to expect to be able to jump straight to fucking without a little foreplay. How do you explain this Zare? Why make a nothing post? I find setup speculation something that a scum is more likely to want to do immediately on Day 1 than something that town is likely to want to do, because it requires zero reads on anyone else and if it EVER contributes to finding scum, it does so in an incredibly oblique way very much down the road. I don't see DAy 1 setup speculation as being one of the better things that town can do on Day 1. I did mix up your tarot card comment with VE because he mentioned something about them later, I think. I looked through your filter, geript, and I liked your comment about coddling Coag and figured you were null for now. The VE quote at the end wasn't meant to suggest VE was scummy, but to suggest that he made a good point about sciberbia's contributions thus far. When I scum hunt, I look at each person individually, and so while I did put my suspicions on VE, the fact i'm suspicious of him doesn't mean I can't agree with his suspicions on someone else. My suspect list at the end of the post was all justified by the contents of that post -- I didn't like Coag's town claim then subsequent nothing (or anything he's done since), I didn't like VE's town claim or weird scumhunting cirlce idea that almost seemed glib in tone, and I didn't like Peashooter's eagerness to talk extensively about setup speculation in a game where we were even warned things could change around; the likeliness of us figuring out this setup on Day 1 with no info is incredibly low and, as i mentioned above, an easy discussion for scum to participate in without giving themselves away, and I didn't like (as VE noted) sciberbia's certainty that people weren't scum. It's true my post didn't lead to a full conclusive scum read and vote on anybody, but it's worthwhile to post my suspicions right now, and especially at a point in the day when I knew I'd be gone for a while. Sorry it didn't flow better for you, and hopefully this clears up what your concerns were. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On March 16 2013 23:34 DoYouHas wrote: Ok, I lean town on geript. I think it is more likely that geript would have stayed with his RNG lynching if he was scum than if he was town. There is virtually no risk of actually lynching the person you random so this "he randomed his scumbuddy and abandoned ship" idea is pretty bad. After this he goes into setup speculation which is something that peashooter was already getting heat for (not something scum do). When challenged, he directly refers to the thing BH says is most scummy about peashooter (going to bed), and then follows suit. This doesn't strike me as a show of confidence in his innocence, this strikes me as actual confidence. Nothing geript has discussed so far has been constructive, but I don't think that makes him scum. I really like VE's SAST idea after thinking it over and I would love to apply once I am convinced that I can keep up the activity (lurking has been a problem for me in the past). But just so I am clear, the votes go towards the group's opinion, not VE's opinion, right? 2 Questions: 1. What in particular do/did you like about VE's SAST idea? 2. Why do you feel the need to add in a note about lurking into your analysis? Also, who is BH that everyone seems to be referring to? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote: Regarding Grey: I asked about grey because I could find very little about his meta. I know he hosts many games, but he doesn't seem to have played in many. Best I can tell so far, he seems very detached from this game, posting often, but saying very little... Having a look at his meta would really help, if anyone happens to know a game he has actually played in (and not hosted) I would love to look at it. It's posts like these that set off alarms for me. Even if goodkarma doesn't know about the mafia database contining filter links to all his games, he certainly is aware of the search function. Rather than posting in the thread to tell people you want to look at his meta, why not actually research a past game, come to a conclusion and report back to the thread? It seems to me that you are more concerned about looking town, without doing the actual dirty work. Furthermore you are certainly capable of finding old games. You post a link to sandroba's old town game. So why is it that you are unable to find a GreYMisT game without posting in the thread about it? On March 17 2013 06:00 goodkarma wrote: Here's sandroba's filter for fruity mafia, a game where he was town: Fruity Mafia In addition, where exactly have you established a pro-town atomosphere? All I see is a post about lurkers and a response to VE's irrelevant scum hunting squad. You have overstated your contributions and even reply to Wiggles in an omgus manner. On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote: But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... You inform him that tunneling one read and lurking is scummy. He has hardly lurked with the game only being 18ish hours old and you tell him to pursue another scumread, while you yourself are unwilling to reveal a scumread yet, which seems like a double standard. I'm going to throw my vote your way to get things started. ##Vote goodkarma I'm also suspicious of GreYMisT. I'll wait to post about him until later since he promised a contribution when he is less busy today. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:50 Kenpachi wrote: I welcome myself to this marvelous game. ^^ Doesn't claim town, must be scum. ^^ | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote: I've got some stuff to say about geript The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. I don't really have a conclusion to this, Scib's other posts don't raise red flags for me and what I have is not enough to turn him scum. I just want to hear more from Scib. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:02 TranceStorm wrote: 2 Questions: 1. What in particular do/did you like about VE's SAST idea? 2. Why do you feel the need to add in a note about lurking into your analysis? Also, who is BH that everyone seems to be referring to? 1. I really like the SAST idea because it forces the hand of mafia. If they don't try to become a part of the circle, you have a group of active townies committed to voting together, which is incredibly dangerous for scum. If they do try to become part of the circle, they run the risk of not influencing it enough and getting their votes tied to a larger voice of active townies. If they do manage to influence the circle enough to render it ineffective by either joining it or derailing it from the outside, you have forced multiple scum to be active, which gives us more to work with and puts them in the spotlight. 2. By bringing up that lurking is a problem for me (especially when I'm scum btw) I'm hoping that the rest of you will push me to post more. The desire to sit back and solve the question of who is mafia through analysis is a big problem in my play. It has repeatedly led me to tunneling and small post counts. BH = Blazinghand = Wade. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On March 16 2013 17:33 goodkarma wrote: Let's look at Viscera's "policy post." I disagree with pretty much everything he has to say in his attempt at starting a circle.: Anyhow, going to bed. Will be back tomorrow. I humbly request we focus on scumhunting. Thank you and good night. Deliberate attempt to fit into our crowd, I'd call it pretty scummy. Any decent town would ignore it because it actually offers no reliable information. ##Vote: goodkarma | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:15 DoYouHas wrote: Scib caught my eye with his first post against geript + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote: I've got some stuff to say about geript The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. I don't really have a conclusion to this, Scib's other posts don't raise red flags for me and what I have is not enough to turn him scum. I just want to hear more from Scib. I think it's foolish to start pushing a lynch 2 hours into day 1. Chances are someone more scummy comes along. Reads that I make early in D1 are more for the purpose of generating discussion than pushing lynches. For example my post on shiaopi/prphlhz/forumite in dwarf mini or my post about marv in I can't believe. Anyway, now is the time when I need to figure out who I want to lynch. I like the wagon on goodkarma a lot. I'm still leaning scum on geript. Also I agree with some of the things said about Greymist and zarepath. Looking more into these filters now. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
we kill sciberbia next just realized his original post Overall, leaning scum on geript. You're really quick to come to conclusions. You're announcing your status as you said, 2 hours into day 1. And you think it's foolish to start pushing a lynch yeah? Then how about a bit of questioning or asking for reasoning instead of flat out saying you think hes scum when you wont push a lynch on him. Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:54 zarepath wrote: The VE quote at the end wasn't meant to suggest VE was scummy, but to suggest that he made a good point about sciberbia's contributions thus far.[/QUOTE] So then what did you think of his points against me? You put me on null. He put me on scum. Besides, if you liked his points then why would you be: [B]On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote: So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. The only thing I'm seeing from you is: null here, null there, scum for a bad reason here, scum for a bad reason there, null, null. Why so lazy and unconcerned? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
also why do you feel the need to OMGUS Wiggles then try to deflect attention towards lurkers and those who are absent? On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote: -snip- @Mr. Wiggles: -snip- But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... -snip- | ||
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cosmicomics
81 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:00 goodkarma wrote: Here's sandroba's filter for fruity mafia, a game where he was town: Fruity Mafia To clarify, my question is, "what is sandroba like here that you find his playstyle distinct from his other town games?" Either Vivax is leaning red because sandroba's reads differ from his, which is a very poor reason to think someone is scum, especially D1, or he is leaning red because sandroba's playstyle is somehow different, which doesn't make sense because sandroba has a unique scumhunting style that can sometimes make "quick conclusions" and obtain "townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless" that 'normal scumhunting' may not. This question is specifically directed at Vivax. | ||
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cosmicomics
81 Posts
You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? ##Vote: DarthPunk | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:01 geript wrote: So then what did you think of his points against me? You put me on null. He put me on scum. Besides, if you liked his points then why would you be: The only thing I'm seeing from you is: null here, null there, scum for a bad reason here, scum for a bad reason there, null, null. Why so lazy and unconcerned? It's a step above asking people to pick between two large numbers and then not having a read on literally anyone thus far. I made my own decision about you and I mentioned it earlier; nothing VE said changed my mind or informed that opinion. I liked his point on sciberbia, but only because I agreed with the thought on sciberbia, not because I no longer thought anything else he'd done was suspicious. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote: You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? ##Vote: DarthPunk At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch. | ||
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cosmicomics
81 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:51 zarepath wrote: At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch. Laying down votes is alignment null, and him actually trying to push a lynch or not doesn't matter. He misinterpreted geript as still doing his RNG stuff when it was clear he wasn't. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote: I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. If he has a regular habit of being useless then a regular result should be him getting lynched and getting lynched early. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and say "Hey you better contribute or else!" No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do. But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit. Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria. Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it. What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum" Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag. You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious. You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town. But this town has me. You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming. | ||
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