British Empire Mini Mafia II

On March 04 2013 14:05 jaybrundage wrote:
Lets get some pregame talk going. I think we should policy lynch Vivax. Anyone wanna join me :D

On March 05 2013 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote:

I'm down with that.

On March 05 2013 05:38 jaybrundage wrote:

Sounds like a good plan.

On March 05 2013 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:


Why not? A bunch of people were super-eager to get things started and did wild things without thinking of their reputation. It's a townie circle-jerk until someone proves otherwise.

On March 05 2013 23:33 Vivax wrote:
You express interest in asking Hapa a question and think his buddying was suspicious but aren't motivated to give your opinion on him? That's strange...

I don't think Hapa is scum based on what you said about him.

On March 05 2013 23:41 Hapahauli wrote:


This is just about what I gathered from the proceedings:
Dr.H (WELP)
Dandel Ion
Mr.CC
Thrawn (admitted to not reading his role PM at the time)

So obviously the comment doesn't apply as much with Thrawn's admission, but I still stick by my stances on Dandel and Mr.CC. I perceive Dandel to be too fearless to be scum, and Dr.H (a vet player who he doesn't know) is a pretty brave target for a joke-bandwagon. Smacks of fearlessness and "not-giving-a-shit" about his image, hence he's town.

Mr.CC just seemed townie with the light-heartedness of his posts. He also made me laugh a couple of times.

Mafia's a simple game really.

On March 05 2013 23:51 Promethelax wrote:
Did anyone read their role pm?

On March 05 2013 23:57 Vivax wrote:
Well anyway, people I would lynch currently: Artanis, Prom, jay. Let's see what happens soon. Jay and Prom cause of exclusion, Artanis cause I can't unsee what I found scummy and he seems afraid to call Hapa scum after our confrontation.

But I'll see how he plays the day out, in the meantime I'll favour him over the others.


##Unvote
##Vote Artanis

On March 06 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:
Well it's this overall impression I have of you, not just that.

If you answered that you thought him to be scum I would have mentioned the reasons for why I think he's town. That's why I asked you if you thought him to be scum.

Since you said you doubt him to be scum I see no reason to mention the reasons for why I think he's town. I still have my reasons for my townread pasted in a document to be posted later if it need be. But I don't see a reason to defend anyone when he's not in danger.

If you're town then just play like you're town and I might or might not change my opinion about you. Discussing my impression of you is not going to be productive. Try to find some useful information on your own instead.

On March 06 2013 01:17 Hapahauli wrote:


Uh did I not just talk about that an hour ago?



I've played 3 or 4 games with him so I have a pretty good feel for how he plays. Admittedly I haven't looked through his latest scumgame (Nomination Mafia, in which he apparently played pretty well), which I need to do some time today. Otherwise, his attitude suggests townie CC.

On March 06 2013 01:44 Hapahauli wrote:


Huh wait. Since when do you FoS people?

Last I played with you (Normal Mini IV), you weren't afraid at all to throw your vote around on people you wanted answers from in the early game. I don't remember seeing it in other games either. It doesn't seem like you're scared to throw around your vote in general (due to your "joke" vote on Jay)...


... so what gives? You're voting someone for mysterious policy reasons, and pursuing your scumreads elsewhere. It doesn't look like you care about your vote, and your FoS looks like a neutered version of the pressure I've seen from you as town.

On March 06 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'll lynch me a Vivax, Prom, or Jay today. I'll throw a dart at a board and see which one I hit.

On March 06 2013 02:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh Artanis, to double check, have you played any games as mafia since Haunted Mafia?

On March 06 2013 02:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I like this post and it was something that escaped me the first time I saw him post. It seems he realized it too after doing it since he moved his vote to me a bit later despite nothing really having changed since then.
##Vote: Vivax

Regarding Promethelax: I'm not liking it either. Not reading the thread can be explained as both town and scum, but given the detail of his questions, they're fairly specifically formulated. Generally when you know what you're looking for, you can find it in a thread if it's there. I still like the Vivax point more, though.

On March 06 2013 04:17 Promethelax wrote:
Artanits: comment on Thrawn please.

On March 06 2013 04:25 Promethelax wrote:
So Art: you have thrawn as null but follow up on. Besides Vivax do you see another scum candidate?

On March 06 2013 04:30 Vivax wrote:
Huh. Me scum for not voting someone but then doing it? That's interesting... Meta sucks when you don't know how to use it.

On March 06 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote:


1) The only rationale was: I just finished reading the game, had no real scumread and threw down a vote on a guy who didn't post in the game yet before going to uni. Don't think he posted before since the game started.

2) You think someone is scum or not scum for pressuring with a FoS instead of a vote? What is the difference between FoS and a vote except for the function of hammering a vote brings with it? I bet you will try to skip this question.

Feel free to answer this question if you like but even talking about this seems so stupid I will just leave that as optional for you.

Since when? When I feel like pressuring people, problem amigo?

On March 06 2013 05:05 Vivax wrote:
Oh shit doublepost sorry BH have mercy please please.

Well that makes it more iampy doesn't it. I had to lend iamp's power for this one.

To add something more substantial to this: I'll make a recap of what I found scummy about artanis.

[*] Enters the thread first joking then immediately going serious mode on Hapa.
[*] Posts something about Hapa that actually made him likely town in my eyes and calls it buddying, not giving out townreads.
[*] You can only call it buddying when you think/know the people he gave townreads to are town. In totes, I disliked the whole buddying argument.

[*] He reacted strongly defensive to a simple FoS and my following posts and didn't actively tried to persuade me that Hapa's actions were scummy.

[*] When asked about his stance on Hapa he didn't want to commit and I read that as fearful. Why does he ask Hapa questions about something if he doesn't think it's scummy?

[*] He sheeps Hapa's bad argument against me "Oh I didn't see that point before"-style, that looks convenient and not like he sincerely reads me as scum.

In the meantime, discussing whether a FoS is a massive difference in psychology like Artanis wants me to is so abysmal I refuse to do that. He confirmed by himself I used that as both alignments and
[*] Bends that to his purposes of calling me scum by noticing irrelevant differences.

On March 06 2013 05:34 Vivax wrote:
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That's incorrect, I do things that show effort as scum too, I dig up meta and post notes and shit. What we see here is just an effort to ride on an awful points trying to imply I'm scum based on a time difference between a FoS and a vote which is so ridiculous I don't want to discuss the basic flaws of it like Artanis wants me to.

On March 06 2013 05:54 Promethelax wrote:


This is Art's last stated opinion on me. So I am interested in what changed for him. I'm also interested in why he thinks he is a better nk target than the good doctor.

On March 07 2013 09:02 Vivax wrote:
I just read jay's filter it makes me confident in Artanis being scum and Prom actually town. This isn't definite but I'm willing to lynch Artanis over Prom currently.

No mentioning of Artanis whatsoever except for once where he called me scummy for attacking Artanis and then backing off him.

Prom say goodbye to your relationship and be prepared for my ranting about you attacking me in such scummy and dishonest ways if you are indeed town.

##Unvote
##Vote Artanis

On March 06 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Just to give a scummy little list here I think Hapa, Dr.H, Dandel, Artanis and myself are town. Thrawn kinda null but he's cool atm.
I'll lynch me a Vivax, Prom, or Jay today. I'll throw a dart at a board and see which one I hit.

On March 06 2013 13:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'll be happy with any lynch that is Vivax / Jay / Artanis (maybe?) / Prom. Basically half the thread, which is cool. Jay is the optimal starting point.

On March 07 2013 10:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Artanis has a good chance to flip scum imo. I also think prom and vivax are good candidates for today.

On March 08 2013 01:06 Vivax wrote:
Artanis I would want you to favour a thrawn over a cheesecake lynch, I would also like to add that I didn't like that you spent more time explaining townreads than reasoning over the scumreads.

You started by posting meta arguments about thrawn and then quoted some stuff about CC and rushed to the conclusion of favouring him over thrawn which doesn't make much sense from my perspective.

Based on what you wrote about your scumreads I would have expected you to favour thrawn over CC also considering that you seem to have put more effort into reading thrawn's meta than CC's, and if you put more effort into something then it means you would have had a stronger suspicion of thrawn beforehand, which you didn't so it looks to me like you just dug up some stuff and then decided to vote CC cause you don't really care who of them gets lynched.

Just based on the investment you made into digging up thrawn's meta it would be more logical for you to favour his lynch from a dissonance PoV.

That said, know I'm still watching you and you are my #1 scumread. I also didn't like how you just unlurked to answer a question but don't push for the lynches when you knew I was in the thread.

On March 08 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Proms comment was a joke, but it calls me a 'town player' which I find weird as fuck.

My vote on Dandel was 100% super serious except the expound part.

On March 08 2013 01:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


What?

On March 08 2013 01:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
What did Artanis do the entirety of D1? Tunnel Vivax. Scum love to do this -- See: DYH (Witchcraft), Snarfs (Nomination). They focus on one person to divert the attention away from their scumbuddy. Morning arrives and he posts this:

On March 07 2013 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think Vivax is town now.. At this point, people were suspecting Prome a bit but no one was really questioning me. Given Prome's tunneling on Vivax he could easily have gotten away with continued tunneling on Prome, yet he didn't and changed his opinion, albeit on something retarded.

Jay didn't mention me, no. He didn't even answer the question I asked him. Why would a scum master plan include an unanswered question? He also never discussed me because by the time there was actually some suspicion on me not from you, he already went into resignation mode. All he did until then was answer about whatever was the town's main suspect. He has almost no content in his filter about anything else. I've already commented on the rest of your reasons for calling me scum. As to anyone calling me scum for not being super duper convinced about people: Check my meta. I never am. I'm also not a veteran, I've just been around for a long time. That doesn't mean I've played a lot of games.
Regarding the town PM claim thingy; I made sure to check the OP to see if it's in there before I said anything as I didn't want to cheat.

Just checked out Promethelax' meta. Unfortunately it's inconclusive as the last scum game he's played has been a while ago. In this game, he's sheeped my opinions at the start, also commenting on Hapa calling other people town quickly, though he stepped off of it about as quickly as I did. His interactions seem to be suspicious of everyone, but overly so. Vivax indicated that he didn't like both my, your and Jay's posting. Continuously going on about the order of it feels disgenuine. He calls Vivax scum for not actually wanting to get his scumreads lynched despite the fact that he's been hammering on me all game for a 180 when he asked me to lynch you. I've finally decided that I lean town on that; it feels too ballsy and spontaneous for scum. The rest of Prome's filter focuses nearly entirely on Vivax, calling him scum with nigh every post. Fuck, despite that some things feel off in his filter I can't reconcile this idea with Prome being scum. If he is indeed scum and gets Vivax lynched as green, he'd look terrible and definitely not survive two more lynches. He also looks to be genuinely wanting a Vivax lynch.

With Hapa claiming to be the other named VT, he's obviously town but I already felt that way about him. That leaves Dandel Ion, Thrawn, and Mr. Cheesecake . Dandel Ion seems to be a massive troll that likes posting a bunch of oneliners that mean nothing. In his scum game though he was a lot more serious, as was the case in his first scum game. Even in his accusatory posts as town, he's more jovial than as scum. His current game fits his meta as town.

Thrawn has played a mildly active game at best. In his most recent scum game he got caught on day 1. The other scumgame he played he also had a short 8-page filter in a 200 page game. In this town needs guns, he was more active, though still not as much as others. Thrawn has been more active this game. His hammer of Jay felt premature but I don't think it's a scumtell.
Cheesecake's activity has been depressingly low and his filter is awful. He's doing nothing, but it doesn't line up with both his town and scum meta so it's not alignment revealing. In his godfather scum game he played a very pandering game, trying to stay on everyone's good side. The scum game's a few months back so it could be that he's learned from then. Cheesecake's played a poor game so far. What's weird is how he formulated his reads. First he said he wants to lynch Vivax/Jay/Prome with me as a maybe, then he indicates I'm now his main suspect with Promethelax and Vivax also being good candidates. His hammering on Jay could be a bus, and it's the only serious pressure he's given anyone. Also.



What's changed in these times? You've made a full 180 and you haven't said why. You haven't contributed to town other than telling your reads when prompted, you've been a lot less active than you have in your previous games, and your filter is pretty bad. Given I don't see scum elsewhere Cheesecake is my current top suspect. No reasoning for read changes, and is playing a jovial game which contradicts his recent town game.

##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake

What is Artanis doing with this post?

A) Picking on weak players. This would be myself admittedly, Dandel, and somewhat Thrawn. <--- Scum agenda

B) Says I hammered Jay. What?

C) Plays the "I'm not a vet so I'm not right all the time" card.

I also have the luxury of knowing he is voting for town.

On March 08 2013 01:54 Vivax wrote:
Dandel is actually probably town for something jay said under the assumption that he played scum conservatively not attracting attention to his teammates.

Jay's filter leaves Artanis and thrawn as options.

On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o
Buuuuut prolly za jokes.



Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D:


YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ

On March 08 2013 02:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
if he's scum I want him to win because his play is brilliantly terrible. Don't lynch Dandel.

On March 08 2013 18:10 thrawn2112 wrote:


I disagree. There was no way that either hapa or myself would have lynched vivax. And idk why it would have made sense for you to do that as scum. You shouldn't have done it/

Artanis, look at Vivax's interactions with you. Look at the way he has twice now called you his biggest scum read while trying to direct your vote elsewhere. Vivax is scum. It should be more obvious to you than anyone else. Vote with me. Lynch scum. Help town win this game.

On March 08 2013 18:11 thrawn2112 wrote:


well those aren't the entirety of my reasoning for thinking their town

but whatever, i'm more interested in who you want to lynch

On March 08 2013 18:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Then explain to me why you think they're town in more words, there's no word limit on your posts you know.

On March 08 2013 18:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If you'll all post a link to your latest scumgame and town game it'd make things easier for me as apparently the database isn't always accurate.

On March 06 2013 07:48 Promethelax wrote:


I'm done defending Dan when he does nothing to defend himself. I have stated that he is town, I have stated that Vivax is scum. I have said I'm opposed to the Dan lynch and approve of a vivax lynch. That was all I needed in the thread and that was what the thread got.

On March 09 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
I2)The lynch is between Dan

On March 06 2013 07:20 jaybrundage wrote:
@DrH
I would be fine lynching Dandel but I think Vivax has a greater chance to flip scum.

Dr.H can you comment on Vivax and why he is/isn't scum.

On March 06 2013 10:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Vivax last posts seem geniune. Also i respect Hapa's opinion alot.

##Unvote
##Vote Thrawn

Thrawn's scum meta is lurking HARD. So far he has fit the bill perfectly. As i can recall he said at the beginning that he didn't look at his role pm. And when he does look at it he starting his lurking marathon. If you look at Normal Mini IV Iamp called out thrawn on it. And lo and behold thrawn was scum.

On March 06 2013 13:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUgh you make me do things. Idk. I'll shine a great beam of light on the situation later.

I'll be happy with any lynch that is Vivax / Jay / Artanis (maybe?) / Prom. Basically half the thread, which is cool. Jay is the optimal starting point.

I get most of my information from people pressuring me, which sucks because nobody has. I just want to get into an 'loluscum' match with Jay which will be fun. Hey Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, tunnel me bro you think I'm suspicious don'tcha?

On March 09 2013 03:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In regards to me being lazy or not doing anything this game. I work 2 jobs and go to school full time, shits hard to fit in but I like playing so I make time. I had to drop out of coaching for the newbie partly because of this.

I don't have much time, but in short we should totes lynch Dandel today.

On March 09 2013 09:15 thrawn2112 wrote:


hmm. D1 my play wasn't great, but I did end up with correct reads. (changing my read on prom from scum to town, and jay being scum) D2 I was wanting either an artanis or a dandel lynch, and I went to sleep and woke up to find that vivax had been lynched. had i been there I would have argued strongly against the lynch. so i'm not sure what I could have done to be more useful in D2 aside from not passing out for 12+ hours. my d3 start was.... maybe not ideal from your perspective, but I was really just trying to see if you were scum or not. i sorta did the same thing with dandel during d2... be extremely uncooperative with a person who is accusing or questioning me, and then judge their alignment based off of their reaction. you and dandel reacted completely differently... in d2 when I was an ass to dandel, he shut up and didn't question me further. in d3 he went crazy. but you hung in there despite me being extremely annoying which is what caused me to change my reads d3

On March 09 2013 14:48 Blazinghand wrote:
yes

On March 20 2013 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah yeah i'm on itttt

On December 29 2013 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Believe it or not I am actually still working on this write-up. I'll try to have it done before the end of February.

On March 15 2014 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
This might sound silly, but okay, end of MARCH. I meant end of MARCH. It'll happen I promise. I know it has been a year and a week since the end of this game, but THE END GAME WRITEUP WILL HAPPEN.

On March 15 2014 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
This might sound silly, but okay, end of MARCH. I meant end of MARCH. It'll happen I promise. I know it has been a year and a week since the end of this game, but THE END GAME WRITEUP WILL HAPPEN.

On April 20 2014 06:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok ok so some stuff came up.

Let's say end of April. It'll happen I promise. I know it has been a year and a month since the end of this game, but THE END GAME WRITEUP WILL HAPPEN.

On April 20 2014 06:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok ok so some stuff came up.

Let's say end of April. It'll happen I promise. I know it has been a year and a month since the end of this game, but THE END GAME WRITEUP WILL HAPPEN.

On May 05 2014 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry okay I'm a little busy this week, next week okay

On May 14 2014 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Important Posts and action summary


Day 1 - Page 3, 1700 Mar 04 (lnk)
Day 1 lasts for 22 pages / 32 hours and ends with jaybrundage the mafia rb getting lynched

Night 1 - Page 25, 0100 Mar 06 (lnk)
Night 1 lasts for 14 hours and ends with DrH the Boxer getting shot

Day 2 - Page 25, 1500 Mar 06 (link)
Day 2 lasts for 7 pages / 19 hours and ends with vivax the VT getting lynched

Night 2 Page 32, 1000 Mar 07 (lnk)
Night 2 lasts for 11 hours and ends with Hapahauli the Boxer getting shot

Day 3, Page 33, 2100 Mar 07 (link)
Day 2 lasts for 5 pages / 18 hours and ends with Dandel Ion the mafia goon getting lynched

Endgame, Page 38, 1500 Mar 08 (link)

On May 29 2014 14:04 Blazinghand wrote:
Er, also tied up today. In a couple more days!

On June 06 2014 18:19 Blazinghand wrote:
This is really happening next week. I just gotta finish some stuff up this weekend and I'll get started on a decent analysis.

On June 19 2014 04:32 Blazinghand wrote:


Sorry i've been a bit busy, I'll get started by the end of June. Check out my electronics rack!

On July 05 2014 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm still working on the writeup, it'll happen

On September 07 2014 09:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Ah, sorry, I got a little tied up at work this week. I'll have this analysis done by halloween.

On January 29 2015 05:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I'll have it up before the 2-year anniversary of the game end

On March 30 2015 04:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry was eating dinner. I'll have it up before midsummer.

On April 03 2016 13:59 Blazinghand wrote:


Er, I mean, summer solstice

On July 26 2016 08:46 Blazinghand wrote:
OK, it's actually going to happen, by the end of next month. I'll set aside time for this. I've let it sit too long, it has been like 3.5 years. This has to be finished before the 4-year-anniversary

On August 30 2016 18:58 Blazinghand wrote:
August has 31 days so there is still time left

On September 01 2016 19:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Er, sorry, ran into a bit of a last-minute delay, analysis will probably not be out until the weekend.

On January 14 2017 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Ah, sorry about the delay, people. I'll have it out sometime in the next month or so.

On January 14 2017 09:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Ah, sorry about the delay, people. I'll have it out sometime in the next month or so.

On February 27 2018 01:38 Ace wrote:
When does this thing start

On September 23 2018 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh yeah sorry there have been some minor delays, should have this wrapped up in a couple weeks

On February 21 2019 12:53 Chezinu wrote:

Artanis, do you know how many times you have died in the OP in TL Mafia games? I dont. That's why you should just the end of the world game.

On February 22 2019 08:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
recycled memes, artanis confirmed washed up

On February 22 2019 15:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow guys there's no need to rush me so much, I'm working on it.

On November 04 2020 06:54 iamperfection wrote:

shouldn't you be telling us ?

On November 04 2020 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Oops ran into a delay on the way home from work recently so I had to put this off a little, but it should be done soon

On November 16 2020 05:20 Blazinghand wrote:
I meant next Sunday sry

On November 27 2020 11:42 Blazinghand wrote:

it's still not next sunday

On November 28 2020 23:10 Blazinghand wrote:

yes

On November 28 2020 23:10 Blazinghand wrote:

yes

On December 23 2020 17:19 Blazinghand wrote:
it's not next sunday yet - right now it's wednesday

On December 25 2020 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:
next sunday!

On December 12 2021 19:12 Blazinghand wrote:
it's next sunday

On December 20 2021 15:16 Blazinghand wrote:
yes it's going to be great next sunday

On July 09 2022 21:32 Blazinghand wrote:
oh, sorry for the confusion, it's actually next sunday