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On March 10 2013 06:54 Promethelax wrote: I'm off to work for a while but when I return I'll smile. Because the game will start and I will prove how smart I am to all of you. For now my friends, toodleoo. sigh | ||
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In other news, corazon looks bad/dumb, VE looks like VE (...), Ver looks bad, and everything else is boring. | ||
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On March 10 2013 19:20 supersoft wrote: this game is moving too slow for my taste. 1. marv could you be a little bit more specific about Ver, please. 2. VE, I am always a little bit unsure about your motivations. Are you attacking yamato to start discussion or do you really think there is something scummy about his behaviour. If yes, please care to explain. it reads like an attempt to deflect attention. i wasn't specific because on its own it's not really important enough to be specific about | ||
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On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. | ||
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On March 11 2013 01:10 Acrofales wrote: Actually scratch the whole Chezinu thing. Scum wouldn't be dumb enough to be fake claiming Chezinu. So either Kurumi or WBG is town and is faking being Chezinu just for shits and giggles. Could be either of them, but I get the impression it's Bugs faking it, while Kurumi is actually Chezinu, so town points for WBG. this is stupid. a player of bugs' calibre doesn't get townpoints for purposefully making his points harder to read and trolling. | ||
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On March 11 2013 01:23 Acrofales wrote: He is posting like Chezinu, unless you know someone else who talks like that, posting like and claiming is a completely different thing. at the moment he's purposefully making himself at least somewhat unreadable, purposefully posting in a way that contributes less than he's able. Whether it's to do with his personality, i dunno, but those are the facts at the moment. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote: oh I will repeat that I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE thanks so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:09 Promethelax wrote: These two opponents are both looking for rodents while not scum hunting like they could I'd take a gamble and say that one is no good. No wonder of lynching each other they are proponents. Now marv, my good friend the day will soon come to an end. Who is it you'd most like to swing? Which lad do you must want to sing? You aren't shy, don't pretend. the day is nowhere near coming to an end. I know you're limericking for whatever reason but that still isn't true I don't know who I want to lynch right now. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:11 Kurumi wrote: it could be false for all you know i am pardoner janitor muter super framer roleblocker this was never advertised as a bastard setup if the host tells me you're town, i'm gonna say you're town for today. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:12 Vivax wrote: How is that mod-confirmed we don't know if that role belongs to scum or town and how it works. You disappoint me marv the host said Kurumi is town-aligned what more do you want? | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:14 Vivax wrote: Are you serious the host also tell an insane DT that his target is the opposite of what he really is that doesn't mean it is what the host said it is. Anyway I like that Kurumi went off Chezinu mode, time to move on to the next riddler: ##Unvote ##Vote Promethelax yes it does, in that instance the host is 100% telling the truth, it's just the role that's insane. if you're looking for mafia in the guy that the host said was town, you're doing it wrong. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:37 Vivax wrote: Have you forgotten that we are roleplaying ? Marv what do you make of Corazon please. I want corazon to answer my questions. | ||
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Every one of Corazon's posts are atrocious. His "joke" about balancing the game, his stance on yamato and Oats, his dumb anger. I might vote him for now and see how it goes. ##Vote: cDgCorazon | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Level in which people have virtually ignored all 3. Why am I the only one looking at 3 top players with any level of seriousness while everyone is derping around looking at anyone aside from those 3 and yamato? Top tier players like them should have at least one post in thread by now apologizing for lack of activity with an explanation for themselves. same is true if they're scum, dear | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: limited availability does not mean 0 availability. He should have been able to make more than one post this cycle in some form of a contribution. If you are so hesitant to off ver this early explain sloosh for me. He has his /in post only and is known for lurking hard and doing F all as scum. he's not known for not posting at all as mafia. ever. next? | ||
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On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote: that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me. Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. where did i say it was good? also ##unvote for now although apparently i forgot to use the voting thread last night anyways. | ||
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On March 11 2013 21:22 Mocsta wrote: Oohhh so yam didnt have to claim the scalp. Got it. I see. Interesting point actually. Makes me feel a lot better about prplhz. (& yam) I cant see scum making a comment like that. I don't really agree. And there's precious little else in prplhz's filter to go on. | ||
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Flicking through austin's filter, can you tell me why you felt the need to ask other people about Ver's 'unimpressive' entrance if you didn't find it scummy yourself? | ||
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On March 11 2013 17:14 Vivax wrote: Well I'm wary of agreeing with VE given the dishonest way he's posting arguments for my lynch , I'll take a look at Bugs later when I'm back but one argument that comes to my mind spontaneously is that he kept pushing Kurumi after the announcement came so it looks strange to me that he would keep pushing him as scum knowing the announcement was right when the mod says otherwise to the whole thread, so that kinda put him on the town side of things. Otherwise, if you are scum yamato then your teammates knew that the announcement was right and I'm looking at people saying Kurumi was modconfirmed without doubting the announcement, marv especially. But that's for a lot later, I'll look at your future play now. Was just flicking through Vivax's filter to see how I felt about Foolish. Came across this bit. Just means I'm better than you bish, no hard feelings though <3 I don't particularly see what Foolish thinks he sees. | ||
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On March 11 2013 22:42 VisceraEyes wrote: I suppose you have something to say about my post on Vivax marv? I agree with Vivax that he did push Corazon, and as I'm still quite suspicious of Corazon myself it makes me like Vivax more. At the same time I'm concerned about his lack of aggression. He took up yamato and dropped it again after the role mechanic was revealed, so now I don't know where he stands. On March 11 2013 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Um Yay? Why are you not pushing dudes considering you dont have a lot of town reads? I'll be working on the game extensively today to try to figure some shit out (indeed I'm currently doing so). I'm aware I've not been a shining beacon of helpfulness so far. | ||
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On March 11 2013 22:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv could you spell out your suspicion of Cora for me? Like, for me? I know whatever it's in your filter, but if you mean it you can just repeat it for me bish do it. Yes, of course. On March 11 2013 01:44 cDgCorazon wrote: Fucking hell hosts learn to balance the game... Whether explained away as a 'joke' or not, this feels forced. Then I don't like at all his attitude towards Oats: On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... Sounds like Corazon agrees a lot with the case, so Oats is probably mafia. Kinda fine I guess. But... On March 11 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Dude, this shitty logic is bad for your standards Marv. Why are you attacking me for having the same view as you? We literally just said the same thing (like the case but don't want to vote for it). You are saying that you are not going to vote because it does not make Oats mafia and I said I'd rather see Yamato lynched than Oats. What is the problem with that? The thing is, Oats' meta is not the main part of the case. BnS laid out many reasons as to why he thinks Oats is scum and I just made a comment that I liked his case and that it had a lot of valid points in it. Let me ask you this Marv: Would you rather I... Say "I agree with SnB" and just vote for Oats? or Say "I think it's a good case but I'm going to continue to scumhunt and push my top scum read" If you prefer #1 it would be such a glaring scumtell. Kinda everything in here is a misrepresentation. To the first bolded bit - our attitude was not the same in any way. I said the case probably made valid points but I still thought Oats was town. As per the previous Corazon quoted, this isn't what's coming across at all, it reads like he really finds Oats scummy. His equating of what I said with what he said is just totally false. As you can see from the nested quote, I asked him how Oats' play differed from the last game we all just played together. Second bolded bit is him sidestepping the question entirely and saying it's not about meta. But he can't tell me WHY s&b's case has valid points, or HOW Oats' play is different this game. This is particularly interesting as most of Corazon's early thrust on yamato *was* meta based. Dichotomy... The bit in red Vivax picked up on as well. It seems to indicate a concern for how he appears, for how he is viewed by others. Who cares if something is a 'glaring scumtell' if it's what you think and want to do? Do you refuse to vote for someone because you're scared of how you're perceived? Not at all. On March 11 2013 12:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Vivax: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote: I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ? ) Marv: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. Mocsta: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 12:02 Mocsta wrote: Heres your filter dive (1) + Show Spoiler [yamato tunnel] + On March 10 2013 13:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Here's what I do not want to see from anyone in this town(in no particular order): Lurking BS Confusing Posts Being Scum Lying Decrypted Messages Being Scum Disagreeing with me Being Scum. So why do you immediately attack yamato? Surely it must be for something you put in your first list, right? On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote: Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet? You're pursuing yamato for an absolutely stupid reason... Grammar & a stupid meta-hypothesis. its a 25 player game, and about a handful had posted; why the fuck would This is just stupid, meaningless aggression that goes no where. Then, there is your "question" to him: rhetorical at best, and derogatory at worst. Exactly the type of outcome town seeks ... NOT Lets keep chugging along please. You then continue discourse solely with Yamato even though he is politely saying I am not entering a war of words with you; and start talking about Duel mafia (instead of the actual game). You build lots of suspicion on yamato, and then, retreat. why... because maybe its a "personality influencing him" + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote: The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Then you rescind to a meta argument to support the yam claim.. which is interesting.. because you dont apply a meta read to oats (with SnB case) YET you just played Duel mafia with yamato and oats On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. More meaningless insults that go no where. On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato if you were playing to anyone's town meta you would not be playing this badly. You're just trying to stir up BS and you are calling people out for stuff that you have not done either (which basically means you called someone out for something). You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town. Why you so scummy? Again, more living in the past of Duel Mafia as reasoning for his Yamato tunneling. On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote: No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Absolute stupid vote rational. On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro... ##Vote: Yamato Gonna start scumhunting? So not only has this tunneling of Yamato been founded upon nothing except living in the past, and grammar. He now votes the guy, because he wasn't around when Corazon thinks he should be around.... ============= (2) + Show Spoiler [SnB] + CorazonWhen in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Here: Implicitly On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... (1) Says he has been scum hunting? I already proved his reasoning for targeting yamato were stupid and meaningless? (2) Clearly says the SnB case is convincing... why mention the deadline comment? Because it would lose traction. This is implicitly stating he would support it, if it came about later in the cycle. Yet he has the audacity to tell me, he never said anything of the sort? On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. And this is where he is setting himself up to move onto Oats whenever Yam loses traction. it reads pretty clear to me. tl;dr Corazon says he been scum hunting.. but the effort has been fruitless and lacking of town conviction. He hasnt obtained any real information from his target; nor prodded yamato for meaningful discourse. He then follows up with a vote, cos they guy might have been asleep or having a drink with mates - i.e. wasn't around for an hour. All meek attempts to scum hunt, and indicative of scum taking the easy road. Then with the SnB case, clearly says he likes it..but its a "townie" thing to push your own case instead so will do that. LOl Doesnt even give reasoning to why the case is good (when others clearly do not agree with it as valid on Oats) Again, setting himself up for an easy switch, if yam loses traction. Again, scummy play. ##Vote: Corazon These posts look very similar...are you sure you aren't piggybacking off of them? Kicking someone when they're down is not a very town thing to do, especially when you just rehash the arguments that knocked them down in the first place. Not looking good for you Moc. Why is agreeing or using other people's arguments a scumtell? On March 11 2013 11:34 cDgCorazon wrote: LOL When in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Read my fucking filter and stop putting words in my mouth... Mocsta, your argument is ridiculously stupid and you're wasting everyone's time with this shit. Stuff like this, there's more of it, is irrationally angry, and he keeps attacking Mocsta rather than any of the arguments. I'd really like to know where Corazon stands on yamato after the revelation of how his role mechanics supposedly work. | ||
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On March 11 2013 23:18 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Vivax Uuuugghhhhhhh......what are your thoughts on Bugs man? There's 4 people in orange on my spreadsheet currently: bugs, corazon, stutters, prplhz. I'm going to make myself read Crossfire's and bugs' filters in the next couple of hours. | ||
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On March 11 2013 23:19 cDgCorazon wrote: LOL This is all I have to say to you Marv: Don't hammer me for something and then ask me why the same thing you are hammering me for is a scum tell. That's fucking stupid. I said I liked the case. You are looking way too much into that fact and you're just trying to shit up the thread. Where is the evidence I'm trying to shit up the thread? What's up with this ad-hominem? You've still given literally none of your own thoughts on Oats. | ||
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On March 11 2013 23:23 cDgCorazon wrote: I SAID I LIKED THE CASE AND THAT BnS HAD GOOD POINTS. IF I AGREE WITH THAT, PERHAPS I FEEL THE SAME ABOUT OATS. This stupid attack on me with you contradicting yourself = shitting up the thread. Which points are good? Which make Oats scum? How is Oats' play different this game to Hiro's game, or how is it similar to LIX where he was mafia? | ||
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On March 11 2013 23:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I think I'll just piggyback Vivax, Mocsta and Marv on this one. *shrug* On March 11 2013 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote: And to add to that, I'm fully aware that you didn't answer my previous question in the slightest. So please answer this one as completely as you can. Vivax suspicion of Cora is a joke, and Mocsta's was too. I want you to convince me that Cora is scum. it seems like you thought the suspicions on Corazon previously were groundless. What about what I said did you find compelling, or is it Corazon himself that's making you vote him? | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:12 Crossfire99 wrote: Why are you fit to be tied? I ain't dun notin'. You're darn tootin', though, 'bout Ver. That is a cattywumpus post. I figure he got a 20% chance a playin' gainst his win condition, which sure seems suspect. Indeed, he's done nothing. And yet he's happy to tell yamato he's done nothing: On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote: You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far. This post says literally nothing at all, except that he's basically defending Kurumi: On March 11 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote: Yo, be easy and stop buggin folks. True, dis game be tight, but we don't want dis gettin outta hand and turnin into beef. Aight, I'mma lay dis down fo yo. Votin for non-alignment reasons be wack. Na mean? Role playin be dope and errbody should be crunk bout it. And again, defending Kurumi: On March 11 2013 05:27 Crossfire99 wrote: Just cause he be fakin jacks don't mean he scum. Role aint got nutin to do wit alignment. Judge 'im on if he bring dat bling (Chez brings da bling when he be from our hood and go off on dem scum). No bling, call da po-po, lock 'im in da joint, and give 'im dat needle. Crossfire's done nothing but he's done nothing in a way where his only limited contributions are a defence of Kurumi. He's decided not to use ANY of his time whatsoever to look for mafia. Not sure why you unvoted this guy VE :p | ||
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On March 11 2013 23:33 cDgCorazon wrote: There were 2 points in the case: Oats goes after easy targets Oats gives advice but doesn't follow it What BnS said was given with evidence and they were both valid and well-supported. That's why I liked the case. While it gave me a slightly scummy read on Oats, Yamato is still my #1 scumread. I said that and that's why I did not vote with Oats. I would love to pressure Oats when Yamato dies. However, I need to go after one target right now because if I hunt multiple people I hunt no one. I didn't read LIX so idk how Oats played there. I don't see anyone complain to BnS about how Oats' meta was like this, so I don't even understand why it's only an issue when I agree with it. Marv is grasping for reasons to call me scum here, so I called it shitting up the thread. Again, how would you say his play differs to Hiro's game? Or does it not differ but that doesn't matter in this specific instance? | ||
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On March 11 2013 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote: For the reason I stated in my post originally voting for him - because I hadn't filtered him. well Crossfire's back, let's see how he does. | ||
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On March 11 2013 23:46 cDgCorazon wrote: I have to go but I can't say much so: Hiro is the same when it comes to going after easy targets Hiro has not given much advice so I can't say anything about #2 However, their play is slightly similar. A big lack of thread presence and a lack of scum hunting. Hiro would be someone else I would be ok with lynching after Yamato. (That brings the list of people to Oats, Hiro, and Acro-who hasn't contributed much besides overreacting to everything). What? I was asking you about Oats, dear. I meant, how does Oats' play differ from This Town Aint Big Enough Mafia. I just shorten to Hiro's game because it's a lot to type :x | ||
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On March 12 2013 00:37 austinmcc wrote: Because stutters is stutters, and I have played with him. Crossfire had posted and it was ALL fluff (and pretty much still is). slOosh is, again, someone who has impressed me as a townie, and someone i KNOW is generally lurky/less active as scum. Remember me checking him in parallel worlds? Same thing here. An uninterested slOosh is a scumslOosh imo, and as of yet we have no indication that his disinterest is personality-related and not because he's scum. Seeing as how you initially responded to snb with summary statements like oats was town, felt like townoats, or whatever, I don't like how you are requesting others to go do the work of digging up oats's posts from past games and comparing his posts to others in this game and pastoats. You chose not to do that. So you think what Stutters has posted so far ISN'T all fluff? Why would I dig up posts to prove someone is town, unless they're getting lynched imminently? Corazon is giving a mafia-read on someone and I'm asking him to back it up with evidence. Fairly simple. | ||
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Here is Stutters' filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=276621 Do you think they look similar? | ||
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On March 12 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote: Here is Stutters' filter from LIX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344 Here is Stutters' filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=276621 Do you think they look similar? er... LIX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=276621 | ||
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On January 22 2013 04:58 Stutters695 wrote: I voted toad because his style seems much easier to read than yours, chezinus, or palmars to me. I even was doubting Palmar after the d1 lynch, and I had a scumread on you that was wrong almost the entire game. Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor. On January 23 2013 08:24 Stutters695 wrote: So you knew he was a smurf due to his silence? Obviously we know he is one now but newbies have entered reel games before and just been overwhelmed. Not a huge deal either way though. Since you said you said you wouldn't want a smurf due to readability why wouldn't you vote for someone like Toad who is readable instead of supporting Chez? You say that it let you see if Chez was more readable but isn't that the exact same thing as voting a smurf except with a smurf not only does it offer the same chance to read them but also offers a chance of identifying who they are (which you implied you'd like to do)? First post is at least giving explanation for why he's voting, second post is bothh questioning Axle and making a perceptive point along with it. We're lacking even this basic engagement with the thread from Stutters so far. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote: the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence. So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge? I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. So basically bugs, apart from being useless, it comes down to what we think of this post. Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence. Why, then, would a "rat" announce that he would turn into a rat at all? Why even mention it if you're a "rat"? There seems to be a logic breakdown. bugs is basically advocating lynching a townie on the basis he might not be town later. It's so *lazy*. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote: Marv what do you make of Hiro? I don't see anything making me think he's town yet instead he seems to be sure that yamato's announcement meant Kurumi was confirmed town, wouldn't he doubt it at first since he's been pushing him as scumread just before? Doesn't look to me like suspicious townie rather like scum that doesn't mind switching his target to a guy that's basically grushlike as town and unknown as mafia since he was scared of pushing a guy who has been announced as town. Hiro's not really on my radar at the moment. He's not done anything to massively convince me he's town, but nothing to particularly make me think he's mafia either. He had the same reaction as I did to kita's announcement; without further evidence there is extremely little point lynching someone the host has announced as town. There are simply way more other viable targets - xfire, sloosh, prplhz, Stutters, corazon, bugs - for me to worry about Hiro right now. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:24 Dandel Ion wrote: Read the travesty that was Themed. He didn't even post there from a certain point onwards, he just ninja-voted and was generally a very, very useless person. And that after MTG where he played okay, even by non-lurker standards. Policy lynching him is chill and all, but saying that he doesn't pull that shit as town is wrong. Why don't you go after a lurker that's actually guaranteed to be scum, namely Crossfire. twice now i've seen you use 'guaranteed'. Why is it guaranteed? | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:27 Dandel Ion wrote: Just sheep me. ... no. I did just go back and skim Stutters' filter in Themed by the way. Just like LIX there's evidence of critical thought that isn't in this game, e.g. On February 15 2013 05:44 Stutters695 wrote: After checking his full filter, what really concerns me is that he does it again (misusing meta). If he said I should be policy lynched because he doesn't like how I'm playing I'd totally understand that. But implying I'm scummy despite multiple games with me with similar d1 posting by me doesn't sit wellwhen combined with what I said about Marv and him. Other than those posts he doesn't say a whole lot. I'm leaning scum since all his other posts are calling people town and saying kurumi was scummy but never following through. I'd really like to hear his thoughts on who he'd lynch if I wasnt an option before I rush to judgement on him though since I've had people do this who were scum and town. Going through filters who really concerns me is Mr.CC. I cohosted one of his games and obsed the others and I don't think I've ever seen him this inactive. That feels like a really large change. I need to see if he has actually played any non-newbies but unless he shows up he'd be a good policy lynch. Still going through filters though, that just stood out as really off to me. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:30 Stutters695 wrote: Seriously guys I'm not scum. Last time xfire did this that I remember he was total scummers (MtGII), last time I did this I was still town. you've never done this. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:31 Dandel Ion wrote: I have gotten the feeling you agreed on Crossfire. So why don't you want to actually agree? because there are a lot of viable targets. and what you said about Stutters simply isn't true. | ||
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Let's give this a go actually. ##Vote: Stutters | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:35 Dandel Ion wrote: So? You keep arguing against the cross lynch with stutters arguments, now that's just stupid. "I don't want to lynch Cross because what you said about stutters isn't true" Like, seriously? who said I was arguing against a Crossfire lynch? You've done nothing to convince anyone that Crossfire is necessarily a better target than anyone else. Why not slOosh if we're going down the pure meta route? | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:40 Vivax wrote: Well marv regarding that post I checked the game it was the 15th, D1 was during the 13th, it was like the 10th post, so you have an idea of stutters' general posting activity he said himself he hates Day1s and hardly posts. On the other hand his reaction just now looks strangely defensive I'm not used to that, I mostly got OMGUSED by him for attacking him when he was town so I'll FoS stutters so I don't have to go vote in the thread I made it quite clear it wasn't the posting frequency, but the content. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:40 Dandel Ion wrote: I shouldn't need to. You should be barely intelligent enough to see it yourself. Probably. Not sloosh because I don't know the dude, so I can't pure meta him. I can Cross though, and the dude is scum. yup, antagonise, that'll win people over to your lynch. grow up. | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:42 Stutters695 wrote: Well I was going you'd guys get who I received but apparently not. I rolled Kenpachi. I'll take it more seriously though. I want joking about XFire though, nearly everything else was worthless trolling since that seemed to be his MO. Fine, ok, whatever. This goes to everyone: if roleplaying hinders your ability to play the game and search for mafia, rethink what you're doing. Promethelax is posting in limericks but there's a clear thrust and push to his posts nonetheless. ##Unvote | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Austin why do I need to make a case when its obvious from what Marv posted that WBG is scum? Stop waffling and put your vote down! you think it's obvious? What does everyone else think about what I posted about bugs? I didn't post it just for giggles you know. *shrug* | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:47 supersoft wrote: i'm watching what happens really closely. But I haven't figured it out yet. I am filtering and rereading and will propose a solution in time. tell me about bugs in the meanwhile | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:49 Stutters695 wrote: It wasn't an omgus, you were scum I do hate d1 though, but I was hoping to rp it for fun but it'd be a waste of a day to lynch me and I do still want town to win. i'm basically going to accept what you said about rping Kenpachi at face-value and not lynch you today. That's as far as my generosity runs though. You're clever enough that you can make meaningful statements on other lynch candidates, so please do so. | ||
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Don't you mean Here's Stutters in MTG II Verily he played like poo Luckily we didn't lynch him Even after the death of poor Bin And he won the game with us too | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote: Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics. I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now. ok, i get that. Tell me what you think of bugs and slOosh. | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:07 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh, and Marvello is town. I'll let that simmer through. I've been sufficiently dickish, have I? ^^ | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:10 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh yeah, and the medics should protect him. + Show Spoiler + I knew I forgot something. You might want to wait on that. I've got something up my sleeve for later :o | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:12 supersoft wrote: please stop the rhyming. Noone does it on that forum, therefor no roleplay justifies it. Foolish did it in Aperture | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Hello, oh sparkly one. I wish I could see in colors! The dog does not understand your slowness. Perhaps the sparkles are too much? Please, do not pay attention to the tail. It can be very distracting. *woof woof* Let me tell you a story, that I had told our crocodile friend. Mr Crocodile, I asked him, what would you do if you were the last crocodilian to live? Sorry, I suppose that is not specific enough. What if someone else said they were the last crocodilian? I am the one true dog. There is no other dog. No other woofs and pants and licks and wags like me. The rat said he was the true dog. This made the dog angry. Do you understand now, oh sparkly one? Surely you have realized-there cannot be two dogs. I also smelled, that the impostor rat seemed oddly...familiar. Do you know of the Hindus? It was like that, as if the rat wanted to be an elephant. But that the elephant wasn't satisfactory, so he chose to try to become a dog. I know this is all confusing, but let me put it this way: in a past life, I believe I had a trunk. I still sometimes feel the urge to snort water. Remember, I am the one true dog. You may choose to put me down today, put me out of my misery. I am okay with that. Sometimes the dog must make the sacrifice for the greater good. However I do not think that you would be very happy with me afterward. You would see that then I would have been more useful in your service. As a guide doc, perhaps-to lead the blind and the ugly. And to bring in the chickens and herd sheep. this literally answers none of the issues i raised | ||
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On March 12 2013 02:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Do you not read, oh sparkly one? If someone were to come and say, "I am the one and only sparkly one." Would you not seek to smite him? Perhaps my dog brain is more sophisticated than yours. For that. I apologize for the confusion. Perhaps we can talk when you are done pondering incontemplatables. No, that's completely irrelevant. I understand your original push on Kurumi, because he was claiming to be your personality. I get that. That's not what I brought up in my post. What I brought up in my post was the following: 1) why would you think mafia would announce that they were town but would turn into mafia? Why on earth would mafia say this? 2) why did you still want to lynch him when the host called him town. why were you lazily saying "we should kill this townie now because he may not be town later" instead of wanting to lynch actual mafia? These things have nothing to do with Kurumi claiming your personality. | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Oh yes, sparkly one, you are quite the nitwit. Once upon a time, there was legend, of a time when the eagles ruled. Do you know what I am talking about? During this time, the eagles hunted all the rats. The sniveling, dirty, poop-sniffing (although I admit I do it too) rats. All through this era, no rat was spared. After all, why trust any rat? Once a rat, always a rat. At least, until The Punishment. The Punishment cannot be spared for any rat. If we were to allow the mouse to become a rat, would we not have some problem? The rat Kurumi had said, maybe later I may still be a rat. But how would we know if he becomes a rat? Sure, maybe as a mouse he will tell us. Then why indeed did he also think it the right thing to do? Maybe he, as a mouse, could only win with mice if he choked on cheese. The Punishment made him forever a mouse. Sometimes there are traitor mice. In this case the true rats could use the mouse and spread the Plague! However, one must remember: the dog knew that the rat was spreading lies. The dog will not tolerate that, no. Any such rat will quickly become the dog's chew toy. Perhaps you will understand this now. Alas, the dog has qualification exams and has not been vigilant. Perhaps soon he will become a guard dog. He wasn't a rat, and he was mod-confirmed as not being a rat today. your whole argument stinks. HE WAS NOT A RAT. | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:01 slOosh wrote: Cause he can get massive towncred for it and use it as a platform of pushing mafia agenda and blind you guys from seeing blatant contradictions like the one I just pointed out. how do you get massive towncred for shooting a townie? Am I missing something here? | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:05 Promethelax wrote: Twice now our dog has claim doc on his soft claim I lay a pox we need a full claim giving half is so lame I think I believe him. Not! The funny thing is that since Kurumi died, we have not heard one single fucking word from bugs who he'd like to lynch. Not a peep. | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:07 yamato77 wrote: You say that like you ever listen to me, lawlz. I do actually bbygrl <3 | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:09 yamato77 wrote: Prom, kill super with me. Marv, you too. You know super as town is not a pile of shit. He's obviously here, reading the thread, he's just fucking off. I say that's mafia super right there. maybe. i'm willing to wait a while to see what he has to say though. bugs on the other hand has so far wanted to kill a mod-confirmed townie and done jack shit since. | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:12 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote ##vote iamperfection *whispers* Chezinu gives reasons for his reads! :O | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote: lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is. how is that sidestepping in the slightest? I don't understand why mafia would claim shooting a mod-confirmed town when the other option was not to claim it and not receive any heat at all for it. So yes, I think he's probably town. | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Oh great Hero, please explain to the dog. The dog disagrees. While the dog is chasing cats, the imperfect one is quiet. The dog is used to seeing the imperfect one. The dog smells funny things when the imperfect one is absent. funny that you're calling someone mafia when they're posting in a different style than normal ^^ Do you disagree with the actual content contained within his posts? | ||
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On March 12 2013 03:51 wherebugsgo wrote: the bird is not speaking the truth. The dog would like proof. On February 15 2013 06:45 iamperfection wrote: Keir am I town or scum go. he was town | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:15 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato's defense for everything is that the other person's argument is stupid because he is obviously town. He calls people out for being scum and never expands on it, which Sloosh just mentioned. The only time he expanded on calling someone scum was on VE, and he quoted 1 post and called him scum in like 2 sentences. I'm not sure why you guys call that scumhunting... Hiro is calling me scum because he is OMGUSing. @Vivax: The reason I did not attack Yamato when you did was because I was either playing SC2 (yesterday evening) or I was asleep. I've made it quite clear why I think Yamato is scum and my vote is backing that up. your defences have been markedly worse bish | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:19 slOosh wrote: I don't trust yamato's mouth. All I see, and all anyone from a town p.o.v. shoud see is that kita modconfirms Kurumi as town, and then 2 hours later modconfirmed town Kurumi gets shot. On the most basic of levels, a town yamato means there is a role that checks someone and if they are green they get shot some time (2 hours) later. Clearly the shot did not immediately follow the check, cause if it did Kurumi would have died right then and there. I mean, you caught me with this kind of bs in bureaucracy when I pretended to be vig right? How is this claim so easily believable? As for "is yamato a good enough scum to pull it off" - there are many experienced players in this game and it's not too hard to see some on being scum team. so in your little theory yamato makes the choice to shoot the one mod-confirmed townie? | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:27 slOosh wrote: No need to be condescending. Is "yamato couldn't pull this off" the sole reason for your town read on him? Big enough to excuse any and everything scummy about his play? it wasn't being condescending, it was a genuine question which you've not confirmed for me. I'm asking, is that what your theory of what he did rests on. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:31 supersoft wrote: addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player. this is what I can't get over, whether there are possibilities for discovering the personality of a player or not. if he's playing like mafia in a couple of days time then he can be lynched still. i just don't understand the risk. say there are roles that can find out personalities or even role PMs. yamato has made himself a prime cop check candidate. If he's town, are mafia just gonna frame him every night? well, good. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:32 austinmcc wrote: BC doesn't seem to want to talk about anything that isn't Foolishness/ver/slOosh. Why petition him? also i completely debunked his point on iamp by actually providing a quote from a town iamp game, and he's decided to selectively ignore that. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:39 Vivax wrote: I actually do believe that the mod-confirmation came from yamato himself as part of the role, the problem is simply the timing, the choice of targets and the process before. If he was town he would have poked more or pushed people instead he chose a dude roleplaying a troll in a crossfire of accusations who asked to be lynched. A perfect target for scum with a role that could probably only shoot day 1 (that's my assumption). I have to be honest I don't have strong scumreads yet aside from him and keep searching for other options but yamato is a guy who I don't want around with all these doubts about him and some weird defences that don't seem to make sense. No stupid things, we go the safe way and lynch the guy who killed town D1 without any remorse. He should be lynched today do you think yamato was compelled to claim his shot? | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:41 supersoft wrote: yes thats true. and thats also true. but the delay is also strange. and the timing is - in my opinion - only wrong for a townie. So wrong I want to cry. yuh, i agree. i think town-yamato is WAY more impulsive than mafia-yamato, though. I think he is town but I'm not certain of this fact. But there's enough there that makes me not want to lynch him today. Vivax/you/slOosh are right - it IS a good scumshot. There's no denying that. Still dunno why he claimed that shit though. And if it was actually a planned mafia-move, I would have expected a more concise, well thought through explanation. Remember that slOosh was talking about when he fake-claimed vigilante in Bureaucracy? Look at the difference - slOosh took however long he took constructing a post to look as good as he could make it to try to give his claim legitimacy. That's what a scumclaim like that usually looks like. yamato's is shit and all over the place, like it's not planned at all. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:47 austinmcc wrote: marv, say I put you on the police force of my fine town which you should elect me mayor of. Do you use your check on yamato tonight? (note: I don't put anybody on a police force. This is hypothetical, just less dumb than my normal hypotheticals) not in the slightest | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:52 austinmcc wrote: Right answer, but I don't like not arguing with you. then.... yes, of course I check yamato. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:54 supersoft wrote: well marv. If you have that role as scum. You modconfirm and kill the targets delayed. This modconfirming looks kind of townish, because it's just unnecessary in the first place as scum. But you can use that unnecessary power to your advantage if you claim. However yamato didn't play the "why would scum have that ability"-card enough yet... why claim in such a shitty, "this looks totally unplanned unlike slOosh in bureaucracy" way though :/ | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:53 slOosh wrote: cuz you still haven't mentioned anything about my behavioral analysis points so yea, not honest yamato is generally all over the place as town, if you read This Town mafia he receives heat at various point for jumping around with his reads and being inconsistent. He replaced me as mafia in YANMM (i think) and he was mafia in Fruity that super and I played in, and he was quiet and consistent with his reads. What I've seen so far is basically the opposite of what I would expect to see from a mafia yamato. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:57 Vivax wrote: I think the way SlOosh is pushing the lynch shows he really wants to get him lynched so I don't think he's scum. As for crossfire, he didn't post much but called out a few people, claimed to be busy and sheeped Mocsta on Bugs while not thinking yamato is scum so I'll roll with slightly town cause I feel that he's putting himself out there and actually interested in taking part in the game. Bugs idk but I would probably policy lynch him if he doesn't change his play cause I understand less than I'd like to. you must be kidding. a one-line sheep followed by a completely unfulfilled promise: On March 12 2013 00:14 Crossfire99 wrote: That'd be ill if that's all I did. I posted a few phat things I found, but I'm still looking and will post the gnarly things as I find them. and you're leaning town on him? what are you smoking? how is he in any way interested in the game? holy shit vivax. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:59 Vivax wrote: Can't remember yamato being inconsistent and jumpy in LIX he basically tunneled me throughout the game. go read his most recent towngames then. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:01 Vivax wrote: Marv I'll try to put this nice you prefer to argue that someone is townie instead of arguing that someone is scummier than that guy and should be lynch that is worrying and not productive you are being unnaturally sure that yamato is town at this stage. It feels like you're not reading the thread at all. On March 12 2013 04:46 marvellosity wrote: yuh, i agree. i think town-yamato is WAY more impulsive than mafia-yamato, though. I think he is town but I'm not certain of this fact. But there's enough there that makes me not want to lynch him today. Vivax/you/slOosh are right - it IS a good scumshot. There's no denying that. Still dunno why he claimed that shit though. And if it was actually a planned mafia-move, I would have expected a more concise, well thought through explanation. Remember that slOosh was talking about when he fake-claimed vigilante in Bureaucracy? Look at the difference - slOosh took however long he took constructing a post to look as good as he could make it to try to give his claim legitimacy. That's what a scumclaim like that usually looks like. yamato's is shit and all over the place, like it's not planned at all. how is this 'unnaturally sure' yamato is town? Hello? | ||
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I'd love to lynch bugs but I'm not convinced how wise it is. Vivax has just shot way up in my lynch-dar, along with Crossfire for the reasons I'm attacking Vivax over. prplhz, seemingly someone only I've mentioned at all, has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. He could well be a good lynch. Corazon maybe I could give another day to see if he un-retards himself. He's at least moderately active. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:05 Vivax wrote: I go with the few I have on him, I won't go into something as unproductive as talking about my townreads thanks I answered to stutters. Also yours isn't a question it's a statement, I took a look at his filter and this is the summary of it. + Show Spoiler + he didn't post much but called out a few people, claimed to be busy and sheeped Mocsta on Bugs while not thinking yamato is scum so I'll roll with slightly town cause I feel that he's putting himself out there and actually interested in taking part in the game. it's not a summary at all. how do you read a broken promise to contribute as interested in the game? How is he putting himself out there? I want to understand the process where you arrived at slightly town for Crossfire because I do not see it at all. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote: yeah prplhz why not... I don't like wbgs rhyming though... It's so useless like... this is prplhz pre-game, where he made a lot of posts: On March 09 2013 09:21 prplhz wrote: lets start now i seriously can't wait has any of his play said "I'm so excited to be playing this game"? at all? :/ | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:10 prplhz wrote: For real? wow. you literally appear right as he posts that? what are you doing this game, prplhz? | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:20 Vivax wrote: Yamato red → marv red → possibly Hiro red you said that about geript and someone else in LX. you were scum there too. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:30 prplhz wrote: I am playing this game, as you can see I am actively keeping up with the thread. I'm just not talking much because I don't see any reason for me to do that, I don't have much to offer and my personality doesn't do much day1 either (though for entirely different reasons, at least he thinks so). Why do you want to lynch me on day1 with my claim? why does your claim make you town in any way? | ||
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supersoft too, he's not helping provide any direction when I know he can. He's been in the thread, why isn't he helping me arrive at a good lynch here? | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:04 iamperfection wrote: On topic one of the big reasons i don't want to lynch vivax is i don't trust foolish at all. Reads to me exactly like our last game together where he stop in drop a case then afk. He seems to have no interest in this lynch at all. fine. i'm tired of bugs and this game is pissing me off. so i'm going to lynch him. ##unvote ##Vote: wherebugsgo I remember reading somewhere once that bugs said he likes to troll the shit out of the thread when he's mafia. Sadly I can't remember where or I'd show you guys. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:20 Vivax wrote: As for marv I'll see how he performs but as said that hard defence of yamato looks scummy cause on second thought he also gets credit if yamato is town. you don't know how to make reads if i apparently look bad regardless of yamato's alignment. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:20 wherebugsgo wrote: oh sparkly one, you are so blind. I would help you, but you want to kick my dog! You will get what you deserve when I am gone. you wouldn't help me at all. There is a grand total of nothing helpful in your filter. Tunnelling mod-confirmed town? check. random disregarded suspicion on iamp? check. voting for a lurker that you didn't even bring up yourself? check. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote: Also a cool way to try to justify throwing your vote away. i agree with this. we're not lynching Ver today so the vote is totally wasted. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:42 prplhz wrote: Of course a claim has influence on my alignment, especially an early claim of a anonymous scum favored role. Jesus christ. true or not, doing absolutely jack shit all day having been extremely enthused to play has far more influence on your alignment. your turn. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:42 Vivax wrote: Useful comment I must say, marv so gud Why Bugs over prplhz? bugs is more capable than prplhz and yet at the same time even more useless. I would happily triple lynch crossfire/prplhz/bugs today if I had the option. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:47 cDgCorazon wrote: I really don't understand why we aren't voting for Yamato. His scumhunting has been a bunch of accusations without any follow up. He still hasn't given any reasoning why VE is scum besides the one post early on in the game. Everyone has just called me scum for attacking him and are just attacking me, not my argument (everyone besides Moc). He also refuses to answer my questions about the number of shots he has and why there was a delay between the reveal and the kill. It looks really fishy to me. you are joking, right? | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:49 Vivax wrote: Although I have another question why not Ver he has by far made the least contributions. Well, look at it this way. Ver has 0 contribution and 1 post. bugs has 0 contribution (or perhaps even negative contribution) over many posts. One ratio is worse than the other. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:55 Vivax wrote: Oh are we finding scum by looking at contribution/post ratio lately? I think Bugs contributed by faking that shot on prplhz and showing us his lurky nature so that's something. Ver didn't even read his role PM or post after saying that so yeah yes, that's always been one of the best ways of finding mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: He made one post saying that VE was "acting suspicious" and then made a bunch of other posts saying "VE is scum lynch him". Did I miss something? His only saving grace is that he said Kurumi or Bugs was scum and now that he decided Kurumi was a good vig target he's going after bugs. Taking an opinion of the majority of the thread and going after bugs along with everyone else is lazy town play at best. As I've said before, something is off about Yamato. He needs to die. firstly it's in yamato's filter that he clearly backed off VE. Secondly the fact he backed off VE has been mentioned by multiple people, not least one of the main pushers of the yamato wagon in slOosh. It's strange that you've missed both these things considering yamato is your main target. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote: the sparkly one would rather kill the loyal dog over the cockroach. And yet he is mad! i'd rather lynch the capable dickhead who hides behind his role and refuses to play, yes. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:02 wherebugsgo wrote: the dog is not refusing to play! it is the sparkly one who is prickly. what have you done then other than sheep me on prplhz and call iamp scum for a bad reason? tell me please, give me one reason not to lynch you. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote: please, kill the dog now. ##unvote prplhz ##vote wherebugsgo the dog does not want to live in this cruel world any longer. bugs this game ^ bugs' attitude when he plays town: On April 13 2012 05:54 wherebugsgo wrote: fuck this, I still care about this game. I have to play to my win condition. ok ok ok. kill him. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:17 Acrofales wrote: Marv, are you town this game? Should I sheep you until I have time to read 25 more pages of limericks,dog barf and other drivel? super pinky purple homo promise I'm town. | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:21 prplhz wrote: I don't feel like posting a lot of drivel. It's complete bullshit that you don't think that my claim has anything to do with my alignment and I'm not sure what to think about that. then post something useful instead of drivel? all you've done is sheep me on corazon. you've not attempted to talk to corazon to further this read. you've not pushed your read when it looks like he's not getting lynched. why the fuck not? | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:36 supersoft wrote: get your shit together, wbg. Really. I assume you're happy with a bugs lynch given you've done nothing to push anyone else. yes? | ||
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On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote: You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town. On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote: No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:02 supersoft wrote: marv, i think corazon is town... I prefer crossfire as day1lynch right now. I continue rereading. WBG shouldn't be an option today. That's my final thought about wbg today. Keep him alive. Can you tell me why? I'm wrestling with his alignment entirely unsuccessfully right now. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:07 supersoft wrote: Do we have a proper case on corazon? I see nothing good or bad in his filter and his filter is relatively large compared to many others. There's a reasonably large post I made on him in my filter, it's easy to find because it's my longest post. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I would also vote for Crossfire. He has contributed nothing original all game. ##Vote Crossfire give me your advice, VE. you've played with bugs for good and for bad. should i kill crossfire or bugs? | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:16 supersoft wrote: just one little sidenote: I am rereading the thread and I often see people exaggerating and writing really onesided cases. If you don't balance pros and cons, I cannot follow your chain of thought and therefor you don't convince me. at the moment saying "let bugs live" doesn't convince me either, and given bugs is set to be lynched, you need to try to. I could try and probably succeed to get the rest of town on to Crossfire instead, but you need to give me a compelling reason to. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:18 Vivax wrote: Are you nuts you just voted for crossfire out of nowhere when there's a steaming bandwagon on your scumread waiting for you. Doesn't look to me like you want him to die now does it? you've not been paying attention to the mechanics of VE's role at all, have you | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:20 Vivax wrote: The same applies to marv btw why suddenly looking for reasons to switch to crossfire? in case Crossfire is a better lynch. duh. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:28 supersoft wrote: hehe, i wasn't talking about your case, however it's also pretty onesided. regarding bugs. 1. It's quite simple. I believe he rolled chezinu. + Show Spoiler + (Noone counterclaimed that yet. I'd love to have Ver here right now. He's the only one who could be chezinu.) As Chezinu that play makes sense. 2. He's a good player, especially if he's scum, we probably won't succeed lynching him. ______ I only find it scummy, that he doesnt care about my scummy-absence the last 20 hours :-/ all in all, he should definetely live another day. naw, he's hiding behind chezinu. i can't find one reason to let him live and nothing you said there was a reason. Chezinu is a troll but also perceptive as town. he doesn't tunnel a townie and then fuck off. and then self-vote. not in the games i've seen chezinu play. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote: Why are you bringing this up almost 48 hours after the fact? If you wanted to call me out for it you should have then, not now. Yamato's normal town play is abrasive but purposeful. His play and reads this game has been all over the place. Many calls of scum, only a small percentage of them have been followed through with actual evidence. i'll call you out for it whenever the fuck I want. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:39 prplhz wrote: Okay. That's probably what everybody feels like about a day1 lynch. no normally i have more certainty and usually these days i'm right, but this Day 1 has been horrible | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:41 cDgCorazon wrote: No, call shit out when you see it. Make it relevant to the discussion instead of randomly throwing it out there. I was going through your filter in fine detail at that moment and found that. Your alignment is always relevant to discussion. Stop telling me how to play because you don't have a leg to stand on in that regard. | ||
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On March 12 2013 08:44 VisceraEyes wrote: What? No when did I ever say or imply anything like that prplhz? And why are you talking so much? For someone who so fervently attests that he has no opinions on anything at all, you seem to be relatively verbose in pushing this Bugs lynch. the bugs lynch doesn't really need pushing, and i'd rather have prplhz posting about anything than not. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:31 strongandbig wrote: it's also possible that yamato had to say the "pro gf snipe" line for his shot to work, and he wasn't actually an anonymous dayvig but just has managed to trick everyone into thinking he was. just playing devil's advocate. huh. that's kinda interesting. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:34 strongandbig wrote: you serious? what makes yamato and ver excellent choices. ver is a policy lynch pure and simple. yamato is most likely town. bad town but town nonetheless. Vivax is consistently saying the wrong things. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:35 Vivax wrote: What I said the same do you people even read what I write. not unless i want to lynch you, no. | ||
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On March 12 2013 10:34 Foolishness wrote: I'm pretty sure cDgCorazon is town. At least right now he'd be a terrible lynch. Crossfire I don't know I haven't analyzed him yet. I actually think that marvellosity is mafia but I call him scum every game and I'm always wrong so that probably means as much as VE saying he doesn't post a lot. that's because you've been mafia in every game we've played together, dear. infallible tell so far. do carry on down this road, though. | ||
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On March 12 2013 10:37 Foolishness wrote: No one game I was town but you were town too. which? there isn't one I remember unless you were smurfing. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:00 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry I played so terribly. I deserve to be lynched. Watch vivax because he pegged me as town even though i played like crap. Watch out for dandel. he might be scum but i'm not sure cause i've only been scum when i've played with him. If you are indeed town then yes, Vivax looks atrocious for what he said about you. Give us something to go on. Still waiting on Foolish too. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:09 Foolishness wrote: I lied. It was whichever game you were smurfing. I wasn't actually playing I was coaching and reading along. And no we're not killing Vivax anymore. the game where i was the most blatant town who kept on lynching mafia one after or another? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. | ||
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I'm blates a cop and I want to investigate Foolish and Ver n stuff. There we go. Move along, nothing to see here. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote: With thirty minutes? With your good buddy VE is sitting on both of the opposing wagons. But yeah you're right might as well not even try huh? I mean fuck it no one else is right? aren't you with me on Viv? | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:31 Promethelax wrote: haha your role is the best after the game I'll laugh with the rest this is great not too late this was not a test apparently i wasn't even explicit enough according to kita. whatever. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes, but you're one step closer to majority if I simply remove my votes from the opposing wagons. You need only PROVE TO ME THAT YOU THINK HE'S SCUM. Your only comments are "I'm not paying attention to you unless I want to lynch you" and "Association with non-flipped Xfire" aside from you convincing me that he wasn't worth my time earlier. So I mean, it's a tall order, but not impossible. 1. Calling Crossfire town and 'more present in the thread than other guys'. On March 12 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: Regarding the crossfire thing: It was a slight townread upon asked so I don't really give two shits about him but I don't see evidence to think he's scum instead I feel he made himself more present than other guys in the thread, I don't like when people push me to explain townreads when they could simply try to persuade me that he's scum or persuade others to vote for him if they truly think he's scum so I think marv's and stutters' behaviour towards me was kinda suspicious. 2. he doesn't want to lynch yamato, but rather go for the trolls and lurkers: On March 12 2013 06:20 Vivax wrote: So well I think that we have come at a point where the whole thread is a mess, many people aren't participating and mafia can basically hide if they so please cause there are many people who aren't posting . I am actually questioning my own reads while thinking this cause one of the common mistakes is to attack the people who are posting a lot since you tend to focus a lot on reading their posts in scumhunt mode and so many things can look scummy while maybe they aren't, in reality . That said I wish to reorder things and take a conservative approach. Scratch yamato for the moment and focus on getting rid of two things: Trolls and lurkers, I would wish to start with prplhz for that and I don't care if he claimed that role is only useful for himself anyway. His posting style looks a lot like LIX and that's bad ##Unvote ##Vote prplhz So yeah then there's Bugs who's also trolling I don't care at all if we lynch him instead of prplhz I just think that a Bugs mislynch would hurt more than a prplhz mislynch so I would start by risking the latter. It was obvious that he's lurking the thread when Bugs faked the shot and his excuse is "I'm bad so I don't post" well then don't play the game and go obs if you're just dead weight and think it too. Looks to me just like an excuse to hide. As for marv I'll see how he performs but as said that hard defence of yamato looks scummy cause on second thought he also gets credit if yamato is town. Regarding the crossfire thing: It was a slight townread upon asked so I don't really give two shits about him but I don't see evidence to think he's scum instead I feel he made himself more present than other guys in the thread, I don't like when people push me to explain townreads when they could simply try to persuade me that he's scum or persuade others to vote for him if they truly think he's scum so I think marv's and stutters' behaviour towards me was kinda suspicious. I'm also the most important guy in the game so it's better if you don't lynch me this is until BC shows up when we get: On March 12 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: BC I think you're one of the few people I find reasonable in here currently. Yamato and Ver are excellent choices. I still think Bugs could be a good lynch target. I can't believe there would be a jester in this game Bugs is probably trying to achieve something else with this role. If there's a jester without the hosts telling us then it's a troll game anyway. I have a little theory about Bugs but I don't want to share it cause I actually want to see what happens with the lynch. Let's not forget he's impersonating Chezinu Why is Ver suddenly an excellent choice? I can't really see Vivax talking about Ver at all. He's sucking BC's dick like a pro. He's completely abandoning his aforementioned philosophy so that he can bandwagon on to yamato. | ||
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Foolishness is a liar and quite possibly mafia but that will have to wait. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:49 supersoft wrote: GUYS! I got one!!! kill Oatsmaster! :-o no | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:52 Acrofales wrote: Marv, I am not sheeping you onto a last-10-minute bandwagon. Screw that shit. Explain why Vivax is scum. my post last page was it in short. mainly a ludicrous read on Crossfire, his wish to go after lurkers, sucking BC's dick and moving back to yamato when it was convenient. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:53 iamperfection wrote: you do not have enough votes the bug man is a good lynch and who should be killed. and i can not get past not trusting the foolish one. Foolish is voting yamato. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:53 cDgCorazon wrote: Marv you've changed your vote 4 times in 6 hours...really? you can count! have a gold star! | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote: I have townish reads on prome + VE.. but dandel? This is my first game with him, but not seeing it marv? doesn't feel anything like British II that just finished | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:56 iamperfection wrote: ya but the one thing he put actual effort in was in trying to kill vivax. wtf are you talking about? he called him mafia once with no reasoning and then abandoned him for yamato when it was convenient. can you read? | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:57 Acrofales wrote: This is terrible. What "weird third party reasons"? Is there any evidence at all of that? fuck knows, read s&b and BC's filters | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:58 Foolishness wrote: We're not killing Vivax, pretty sure he's town. Look at his past games. you can't be taken seriously now i've exposed you as a liar. sorry dear. | ||
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On March 12 2013 11:59 supersoft wrote: okay nvm oatsmaster isn't a good lynch... fuck... wbg and vivax aren't good lynches either... vote the least bad lynch then | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:00 Acrofales wrote: Meh, the Vivax bit makes sense. But I haven't really read his filter. His reads and logic being terrible isn't a scumtell for him. the fact he's only pushed convenient lynches is though, acro. | ||
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On March 12 2013 12:08 Foolishness wrote: No, there's only crappy evidence on why Vivax is mafia. When he's mafia, he spams one liners (with the very rare long post). See TL Mafia LX here. He's mafia and he literally did nothing day 1 except post one liners and derp around. Now look when he's town in British II here. He barely posts any one liners, and his posts have substance; he actually says what he thinks. He doesn't derp. And this game he doesn't have one liners and is clearly trying. There's extremely hard evidence that you've outright lied for no reason in this game, though. | ||
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he outried lied to put suspicion on me (said he was always suspicious of me when we played together), THEN lied again when i pulled him up (said we'd played town once), and THEN corrected his story once again to that he found me suspicious in the game I smurfed (LIX), which for the uneducated was the game I tunnelled 2 mafia Day 1, got elected and lynched a mafia, then lynched mafia every day It's piles upon piles of lies as an excuse to call me suspicious, and it's all fucking bullshit. He still hasn't explained WHY HE WOULD LIE ABOUT IT in order to call me suspicious. | ||
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On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote: He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you. Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum. you're a fucking idiot. as per usual. On March 12 2013 10:34 Foolishness wrote: I'm pretty sure cDgCorazon is town. At least right now he'd be a terrible lynch. Crossfire I don't know I haven't analyzed him yet. I actually think that marvellosity is mafia but I call him scum every game and I'm always wrong so that probably means as much as VE saying he doesn't post a lot. He calls me scum every game. YES BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA IN EVERY GAME WE'VE PLAYED. and I'm always wrong - of course he's always wrong, he's fucking mafia. How can he think I'm scum in every game we've played when he's never been town in a game we've played? I pick him up on this, and he starts to wriggle: On March 12 2013 10:37 Foolishness wrote: No one game I was town but you were town too. Oh yeah dudes, there was this one game... except marv-motherfucking-ellosity *remembers* every game I play with people like Palmar, Foolish, syllogism, and I know this to be untrue. I pick him up on it again. On March 12 2013 11:09 Foolishness wrote: I lied. It was whichever game you were smurfing. I wasn't actually playing I was coaching and reading along. And no we're not killing Vivax anymore. Oh wait - so he lied. BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, VIVAX. Look at the explanation - it was whichever game I was smurfing, LIX. Bullshit. Foolishness is NOT an atrocious player, and doesn't think that someone who tunnelled mafia all game, got elected mayor and lynched mafia, etc. was mafia. Foolishness is either very bad at mafia (here's a clue, he isn't) or he's lying about this too. One more time for you, Vivax. On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote: He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you. Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum. On March 12 2013 11:09 Foolishness wrote: I lied. It was whichever game you were smurfing. I wasn't actually playing I was coaching and reading along. And no we're not killing Vivax anymore. On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote: so I don't see how he's lying Don't see why would have to lie On March 12 2013 11:09 Foolishness wrote: I lied How are you failing to read this badly? | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:10 Vivax wrote: @ marv I skimmed the thread this morning before posting the post where I ask for medic protection on him so I must have missed that. Didn't even read properly yet cause I'm busy answering questions to Oats and calling S & B out. why are you calling for medic protection on a CLAIMED LIAR and defending him as NOT A LIAR if you've NOT EVEN READ HIS FUCKING POSTS? | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote: Then he comes in and actually defends me against marv/Ve who are not willing to listen to one of the strongest players of this forum. Marv's arguments for lynching me suck from A-Z so I'm currently leaning scum on the guy, he also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post. On March 12 2013 22:10 Vivax wrote: @ marv I skimmed the thread this morning before posting the post where I ask for medic protection on him so I must have missed that. Didn't even read properly yet cause I'm busy answering questions to Oats and calling S & B out. Translation: marv says wrong things about Foolishness, except I haven't even read the fucking thread so I know that's actually completely untrue! roflcopter! | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:15 Vivax wrote: Cause I didn't read his post but have him as town cause of his earlier actions before he claimed the lie. Simple answer. I still would want him protected after lying cause it's so insignificant. Not going to doubt he's town for now. Lying for no reason, repeatedly, to call someone suspicious is not insignificant. Nor is it insignificant that you are also attacking me for my stance on it, when my stance is demonstrably correct. | ||
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Therefore Vivax is just attacking me for the sake of attacking me, and defending Foolish for the sake of defending Foolish, without actually reading the relevant material. If town this is just disgraceful, and if mafia it makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:24 iamperfection wrote: marv was the only reason that you unvoted for vivax here Was a desire to lynch bugs at this time? No. I kinda agreed with your point about Foolish. And yeah I wanted to lynch bugs. At the time Foolish was voting for Vivax, and only later switched to yamato: On March 12 2013 09:40 Foolishness wrote: I'm sold. ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: Yamato77 | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote: Vivax needs to be ignored as a liar as well now. He defended Foolishness, and attacked me, on the basis of points that he'd not even read. How can he call Foolishness correct and me wrong when he hasn't even read the exchange? If he had read the exchange it would be quite clear Foolish was lying. Therefore Vivax is just attacking me for the sake of attacking me, and defending Foolish for the sake of defending Foolish, without actually reading the relevant material. If town this is just disgraceful, and if mafia it makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:39 Mocsta wrote: I said im watching you first. So your list means diddly squat. You keep pretending to make those contributions Acro. What's the point in this post, Mocsta? :/ | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote: Vivax needs to be ignored as a liar as well now. He defended Foolishness, and attacked me, on the basis of points that he'd not even read. How can he call Foolishness correct and me wrong when he hasn't even read the exchange? If he had read the exchange it would be quite clear Foolish was lying. Therefore Vivax is just attacking me for the sake of attacking me, and defending Foolish for the sake of defending Foolish, without actually reading the relevant material. If town this is just disgraceful, and if mafia it makes a lot of sense. [/QUOTE] Can you answer why you did this, Vivax? I seriously would like to know how you can defend Foolish and attack me on an issue that you've not even read. Please enlighten me. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote: marv, let's argue. It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel. So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later. he did it twice. He did it in Bureaucracy, and he did it in Parallels. Now he's doing it here with a lie thrown in for good measure. What else can I say? That he's town and calling me mafia based on a total lie? For what reason? | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:18 Vivax wrote: I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't. The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote: He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you. Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum. On March 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote: he [marv] also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post. How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post. You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. On March 12 2013 21:45 Vivax wrote: He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you. Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum. Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:31 austinmcc wrote: I don't really have a reason. Best I can chalk it up to is the same thing as with Vivax, a hastily made accusation, but that doesn't do anything because then Foolishness's participation in this game amounts to two accusations that were crappy. One he takes back, one is shown to rest on nonsense. But I don't see a reason behind the other side. If he's mafia, why call you mafia based on a lie? Why do the same thing he's done, and something that you commented on in Parallel. You have not been lynched in either game based on his accusations. I can understand someone being less wordy, more one-linery, whatever when mafia as opposed to town, but someone calling out the same player every game he's mafia being a tell? That's ridiculous. The only thing that even remotely makes sense to me is that you're both mafia and this is easy cover. Foolishness calls you out like he normal does when he's mafia and you're town. He gets lynched or vigged or something. You now point to your past games, he always does that when he's mafia and I'm town. Scum Foolishness knowing he can't stay alive forever, chooses to get oddly bussed for you. That's STILL ridiculous. But it's the only thing even remotely sensible that I can find. Which then means that something is wrong, because you/Foolish/Vivax can't be doing whatever you're doing and ALL be mafia. austin stop being bad. why are you asking me why mafia lie to make townies look suspicious? It's mafia's MO, it's just not normally so blatant. Mafia for whatever reason repeat their mistakes all the time. Foolishness repeated his mistake in Bureaucracy in Parallels. Wouldn't your argument in Parallels have held merit too? No, except he did it in Parallels having done it once before. Hapahauli was caught in Mario Mafia partly because he attacked a quite clearly town iamp. Then in This Town mafia... he fucking did it again! Hapa is a clever dude yet somehow he fell into exactly the same trap. Obviously I'm not entirely serious when I say Foolish calling me out is a tell. But when he's calling me mafia, giving himself an out "i always read him wrong" and that out is a lie... well I don't know what to tell you. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote: The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post. You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things. Cause I didn't read things I thought you were making them up it happens when you tend to post compulsively based on not updated reads. Anyway I still lean scum on you that Foolishness thing is not the only reason but I'll post all my reasons when I see fit, for now I think arguing with you over these points only contributes to clogging up and serves no purpose cause you seem to be the only guy interested in them. Your filter is 12 pages almost all one-liners so that's already enough to deal with, did you get Bill Murray as role? My filter is always long, it always has one-liners, and there's a shitload of stuff that isn't oneliners. Get a grip. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:36 austinmcc wrote: I don't know wtf makes him town. I don't like his play here, but I've only ever played with him when he was scum. I thought his suspicion on marv in Parallel was odd, but not scummy, and he turned out to be scum. In bureaucracy he didn't do oodles, but 2/3 of his primary reads were correct, when I skim that game back over, and he turned out to be scum. So...things I would normally take as townie ended with him being scum. I think I'm just influenced by the fact I've only played games with him where he's scum. But something ain't right with this Foolishness/marv/vivax bit. Or, maybe better put, something is scummy and something else is just dumb here. Unlikely to all be an elaborate show, unlikely to all be silliness. here's a clue look at the players lieing and misrepresenting people look at the player who isn't ding ding ding! | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:37 Vivax wrote: Well anyway a little contribution to reading marv properly: Guess his alignment 1 Guess his alignment 2 Guess it 3 this is hilarious. you quote a towngame where I smurfed specifically to hide my identity and change my style? Seriously Vivax? | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:44 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 23:14 austinmcc wrote: Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!? I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them. Instead, what is this? Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked." Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people." You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town. This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not. Well yeah that was my own interpretation of his initial post on me and is also consistent with the fact I didn't look at his later posts before calling for medics on him. Consider me to have written things being still mentally in the phase before the Bugs lynch where Foolish didn't explain all his actions. Put circumstance on : "Vivax didn't read the thread properly after he went to sleep" and you will understand why I said these things. I might be lazy and bad for it but I'm not scum cause of it. [image blocked] | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:45 Promethelax wrote: might it be at all related to though things in our qt we debated when during fruity you said he was red but it was green I said before with his spoilers I was deflated? eh, not really. it's just feel. if he's really quiet all through day 2 then he can be worried about, but there's more pressing stuff. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:52 Vivax wrote: Hey marv what pushed you to give a sudden townread on super out of nowhere when there is no reason to and you have no reasons to back it up? Like, reason? yamato saying lynch you, foolish, super | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote: For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive? | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote: When you're the only one of that group taking an active interest in leading town, then yes. Docs should be on you might one, you should be a possible policy lynch day three. I love mafia logic sometimes only one who cares about town ----> lynch him before the people who don't lol | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:00 Acrofales wrote: I don't really expect any of them to be alive D3. Scum has 3 KP tonight and a minimum of 2 tomorrow. Medic wifom aside, all high-profile targets should be dead, or serious scumspects by D3, and you are a high-profile target. I wouldn't include supersoft in that list, btw. Alright. I don't really live until Day 3 very much so let's see how it goes ;p | ||
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I had a random thought while smoking. If iamp as town is usually almost like an IC, why has he changed up his style so much this game just to roleplay? Is it worth it? | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote: I want to argue with you on Cora a moment because I disagree with how you characterize the early parts of his post. His early posting is roleplaying, and it feels stiff to me. There is something markedly different about his attack on me this game and his attack on me night zero of Duel that makes me uneasy. I suggest you read the early part of his filter this game and that game and come away with a better understanding of him. Also, it makes the fact that he is unwilling to go away from me even more concerning. In duel, he was much more active with other reads while maintaining his read on me than he is here. I have him leaning scum in my books, because of this meta distinction. yes, I agree with this, I re-read his filter in Duel yesterday and thought the same thing. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:09 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I'm going to stop thinking about Foolishness and Vivax entirely for now because it's not helping me. I had a random thought while smoking. If iamp as town is usually almost like an IC, why has he changed up his style so much this game just to roleplay? Is it worth it? did anyone have any thoughts about this? | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote: Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot. What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome? Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it. He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp. I don't understand. He said "pro gf snipe" after the check came back green. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:12 supersoft wrote: i should have hyped yamato as super-townie for that shot and hoped that if he's town, he could be like a shield for for me and if he doesnt die, he's scum - i wonder if this could have worked... now we have to deal with him and the scumteam wont do us the favor to shoot him... Vivax point is actually not that bad... "end the kurumi problem" while kurumi already said he has a "scumrole".... it was uncertain if a redcheck would have helped us much... solving = killing. GF snipe? not really since he wouldnt have died if he really were gf... ahhh whatever... i believe yam. is just playing against our wincondition... but thats okay. i dont expect much more... I don't really agree, I'd have voted for the redcheck no problem. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote: The problem he said he would "solve" before knowing from the host if Kurumi was scum or town? if he's scum we lynch him, if he's a martyring town, he gets shot. Problem solved in both scenarios? | ||
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his lack of a vote on any leading candidate towards the end is odd, if only because there was a serious chance he might actually get lynched at the time. bugs was behaving differently to Kurumi though; Kurumi was actively begging ppl to vote him, bugs told me i was a moron for voting him before just giving up. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:46 strongandbig wrote: the games i played with him were months ago granted, but i didn't have that impression from town iamperfection I wasn't asking for your opinion on a premise i'm already taking to be true, dearest. | ||
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On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote: I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] + Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal. Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them. Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for. Acro your best point you hid in the spoiler! This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia I'd completely forgotten this. Witness: On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote: 3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around. This game, witness (spoilered for length) + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote: The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum. I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you: The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town. Meta! On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable. Meta! On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote: No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. So Yamato, let me get this straight: You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads AND You're calling me out now for having a scumread. Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing. Meta! | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:00 Vivax wrote: Wow you're using changing opinions on how to play the game as argument against a player who just started playing mafia. Town marv isn't this bad. It's a massive shift from one game to the other. Stop being so fucking stupid. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Well tbh, he did use a meta case a little while later on Syl, he was town in Duel. So this may not be entirely accurate. This is true, although that was a weird one. His case on Syl there was: "he's playing exactly like he normally does as town, therefore he's mafia" | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Not even professional players who probably receive 10s or even hundreds of PMs a day? Context Oats. Anyway, thanks for your cooperation. I'm gonna get ready for work and think. Does anyone need anything from me? My time on this game will be focused tonight on answering the question I posed ~12 hours ago, so if you want response from me now is the best time. I don't need you right now but I want to work with you tonight because it's quite possible one or both of us may be dead after this phase. By 'tonight' I mean I should be around until deadline give or take. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I'm back. I'll shower tonight, this is IMPORTANT! My problem with yamato has always been the fact that I wasn't certain he was town really fast. Look at the scumQT in Nomination: in spite of slOosh and some other townie, I advised AGAINST going after yamato because he was, by my estimation, the greenest player in the game. Granted, I knew he was town, but based on what I saw in the thread, I knew that if he were put under pressure, he would bring the fucking pain...and he did...to my chagrin. But this game I have had no such certainty of his alignment. I don't know how much of that has to do with roleplaying, or the circumstances in the game, but that's the core of my problem with Yamato this game: he's not obviously town to me. what do you think of his play this night phase? I think it's been much better and has made me feel better about yamato. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Same. Although to be fair, it's not hard to look good when you've got this Foolish/Vivax thing going on. But yeah, I'm feeling better about yamato too. What I don't get is slOosh' certainty of Yamato's guilt. What's that about? Completely torn. Remember when he was so certain you were mafia in NMM2 that he actually misrepresented your posts coming up to deadline to ensure your lynch? It was so tunnelled and braindead (sorry slOosh) but he was town there. It's like what Hiro just asked really. If slOosh is only gonna talk about yamato, that's obviously a problem. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Conversely, my utter manipulation of him in Nom may be factoring into his play too if he's town. :/ Yeah I agree...so don't lynch tomorrow then is basically where slOosh stands for me. If he refuses to contribute anything but a yamato tunnel tomorrow, feel free to open fire or lynch D3. Agreed? If he's still only tunnelling yamato 3/4 way through Day 2 he might be a good lynch, but generally yea. slOosh is very capable of looking townie as town, and conversely he finds it very very hard to do so as mafia. So I don't think there's gonna be a slOosh 'problem'. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:43 HiroPro wrote: He played in Aperture 2, it was kind of a weird game and he was a member of a hidden 2nd scum team. Whose Line Is It Anyway - town Themed Mafia - mafia MTG 2 - mafia the main reason I (we? everyone?) didn't lynch him was because his last minute pop in to the thread seemed genuine. Now I'm not so sure about that at all. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:47 Vivax wrote: He didn't spam up the thread asking for a yamato lynch, that would be accurate. But you initially said he didn't push anything, now you admit he did, so you should know that part of your argument for him being scum doesn't hold, don't you? this is really dumb nitpicking. stop it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote: I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm pretty wary of this argument. Just because it makes no sense, it doesn't mean that it's in fact not the case ;p there's enough other reasons to make a read of the situation one way or another without worrying whether a role makes sense for a particular alignment. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:51 VisceraEyes wrote: This describes my feelings too. I've had lingering doubts about Crossfire based on how he was roleplaying early on - then he came back and it looked like he was going to contribute, but then roleplayed some more. Then he came back and was suprsrsmode - and he was on the block. Like, everyone has a vested interest in not getting lynched, but it just seems to me that we wouldn't have been in a position where Xfire was up for lynch if he'd played the way he was playing at lynch time like, all day. I'm gonna go peruse those games, let me know your thoughts on his meta (since you seem to be familiar already) while I'm gone. Crossfire is way lurkier as scum and way less interested in engaging with the thread. Just like this game really. I also know from playing mafia with him in Themed, he finds it difficult to post as mafia, I had to encourage him several times. There's one interesting point about his de-lurk at the "day light savings" deadline. bugs was the clear, clear vote leader until really quite late. Well, until right about we were all switching on to Crossfire, actually. Theorising, this could mean Crossfire wasn't posting because he was "safe", and as the lynch swung violently towards him, suddenly started posting. | ||
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On March 13 2013 02:56 Vivax wrote: You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check. Why do you keep saying this? I don't understand it at all. | ||
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On March 13 2013 03:15 austinmcc wrote: Was away for a moment, noticed slOosh talk. I checked Personality 1 because I thought there'd been a role that had to tunnel someone and only post on them. Didn't find it, but maybe skipped over. Is there anyone known for just fighting with MZ every game they're in? I agree with slOosh being a futureproblem, but his activity being ONLY to tunnel made me think that perhaps it's a personality limitation, despite most personalities in this game not coming with the same extreme limitations that they came with in 1. Couldn't find a particular role, but if there's a player known for fighting with MZ, or a player known just for tunneling, it's a possible explanation (that doesn't say anything about his alignment ) Pointless speculation really, dear. | ||
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On March 12 2013 13:53 slOosh wrote: My scum read on yamato is even stronger now. Take out the Kurumi shot out of his filter and what you are left with is a bunch of one liners throwing doubt and pointing fingers at everyone. Not only that, there is absolutely no consistency with his reads at all. Multiple times he calls slOosh and Cora scum and they get left out of his final reads, he bothers to put in a post detailing people he would liked lynched yet doesn't move his vote on WBG, indicating he doesn't really care if crossfire were to die (does yam think he is town? scum? who knows?). That plus the problems I have concerning his role usage => this dude is scum. People think otherwise about the role usage: I invite those people to look into his filter (aside from the role stuff) and tell me what they think. Marv I think you mentioned his meta - I'm most familiar with town yamato from Nomination, where he carried town at the end. Dunno his scum meta, but clearly he can play decent town (posting wise and whatnot). I'll be taking this night to review stuff I missed during the day. Still gonna tunnel yamato though unless people can provide more than "yam's balls too small for that". If you want opinions on specific things ask and I'll address them when I can. Does anyone else find it weird he talks about himself in 3rd person here? I know people do so occasionally but I've never seen slOosh do it I don't think. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:12 Vivax wrote: Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I've never claimed like that. /indignant i know, it's actually an extremely dull way for the role to work because I can't even get at all creative with it. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:31 austinmcc wrote: Perhaps you don't have to claim to be checking only your targets? No, I have to be extremely specific on exactly who I'm targeting. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:31 VisceraEyes wrote: No way you are demanding RB or Framer. Just like I'm demanding KP tonight. I think it's adorable. <3 adorable, perhaps. more annoying. lol | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote: And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this? why don't you stop asking really stupid questions? | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote: [/spoiler]It's in your interest to answer me before I leave. You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours. For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town. Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would. Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect. Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop. If you are somehow town, you are by far the worst player I have ever played with in all my games of mafia. By far. You are so atrocious it's unbelievable. How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you? why are you questioning me on the specifics of my blue role at night? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT? If you're town, you actually need psychiatric help because you're fucking insane. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:48 Vivax wrote: [/spoiler]Oh we're back to this Foolish didn't lie to call you mafia he allegedly lied to say he's not sure about you. Marvybaby so mad , ragequit like in LVIII please instead of spamming your one-liners he didn't "allegedly" lie, HE ADMITTED TO LYING. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:55 Vivax wrote: Anyway marv lied about his role and refuses to give reasons, there are no good reasons for him to lie about the role as town so likely scum. When confronted with it he tries to draw a comparison with Foolish's lie instead of trying to explain how it would be more beneficial for him to lie about it as town with the excuse of it being night. Bad excuse, scum knows his role his targets and the role is modconfirmed so marv is being scummarv and also very provocative. Kill it with fire. This is deliberate retardation and provocation. Someone MUST shoot this guy tonight. | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:55 Vivax wrote: Anyway marv lied about his role and refuses to give reasons, there are no good reasons for him to lie about the role as town so likely scum. When confronted with it he tries to draw a comparison with Foolish's lie instead of trying to explain how it would be more beneficial for him to lie about it as town with the excuse of it being night. Bad excuse, scum knows his role his targets and the role is modconfirmed so marv is being scummarv and also very provocative. Kill it with fire. Yes, *I* was the one to draw a comparson with Foolish's lie. OH WAIT NO IT WAS YOU WHO BROUGHT IT UP On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote: It's in your interest to answer me before I leave. You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours. | ||
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Interesting that earlier today I said I was making a specific effort to talk about ppl not called Foolish and Vivax, and having successfully done so, Vivax comes in with this steaming pile of shit now. On March 13 2013 04:48 Vivax wrote: Oh we're back to this Foolish didn't lie to call you mafia he allegedly lied to say he's not sure about you. Marvybaby so mad , ragequit like in LVIII please instead of spamming your one-liners Ragequit like that last game I was town because you know I'm town this game? Right Vivax? [/backtoavoidingVivax] | ||
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On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote: I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. filter BloodyC0bbler starts out by jokingly pushing Ver and slOosh though it turns out that he is being very serious about this. This is similar to his opening post from Storm Mafia where he was scum. Nothing in PTP3, LVIII, Liquid City, LVI, L, all town games and in all games he got down to business. His push on Ver is purely based on how Ver is not around and while BloodyC0bbler drops slOosh he keeps his Ver scum read right up until now. He has been told that Ver said before the game that he wouldn't have time before Monday but this doesn't stop BloodyC0bbler, even though BloodyC0bbler was lynched by a rampant town in his last game when he was in a similar situation to Ver's, having warned the thread about his projected activity but still getting lynched for it. Another really curious thing about the Ver push is this post. It makes no sense at all, because they are experienced they should have written an apology? But an apology (or the lack thereof) has no bearing on alignment at all, it is not hard to write an apology, it just seems too convinient for BloodyC0bbler to use this bad logic to legitimize his push. This Ver push just seems very unlike BloodyC0bbler from his town games. While he does have early reads such as in PTP3 where he had an early Kurumi scum read, he interacts with the thread and he constantly evolves his reads. In a town game where he says in his fourth post that Kurumi is obviously scum, he still has a lot of other opinions and ends up voting differently. He's constantly reevaluating but there's nothing of that in this game. How BloodyC0bbler is acting on D1 in general is curious. BloodyC0bbler is a guy who has a certain opinion of himself. Look at this post where he says that no one can say that he has bad D1 reads because of the list he made. Look at this post where he claims to be one of the most experienced players with the ability to lead. This is in a game with Foolishness, sandroba, Palmar and many other really good players but he still thinks he's the best choice for mayor. He has high thought of himself but he doesn't show that at all in this game, he's actually just sitting back and hoping that Ver will lynch himself. About this very light pushing of Ver, even though he doesn't want to lynch wherebugsgo his activity becomes horrible up until the lynch. The last and biggest thing he does related to the lynch is this post: "Its not so much policy as meta", does BloodyC0bbler even know himself why he is lynching Ver? And notice why he wants to lynch yamato77, it's not because he is scum but because he has played "obviously anti town". This is true but that's absolutely no reason to lynch him, this is no reason in itself to think that he is scum. Even when I ask him what he meant with his decafchicken comment he doesn't use that in any way to influence the lynch. There's no "decafchicken was lynched because of dumb coincidence and we shouldn't repeat that here, lets lynch Ver because I have played 50 games with him and my D1 reads are awesome", he's just answering my dumb and largely irrelevant question. Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it? yes. you could well be right. At least i haven't got good reasons to call him town, and normally a town-BC has given me those reasons by now. | ||
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Again, the fact you're asking a blue to clarify exactly how his role works at night is one of the most exceptionally dull things I've ever seen in a game of mafia. Whether I'm claiming parity cop or cop, I am a target for mafia. Do you think if I claimed parity cop immediately, mafia think "oh, na, that's not dangerous at all! we'll leave him!"? No. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite - one player doesn't have to be the opposite. Your entire premise of everything makes no sense. | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:20 austinmcc wrote: marv, I don't care if your role involves having to claim things, it's a bad idea to spell it out more than you need to in the thread. yes, i know, i know. the only thing worse than Vivax questioning a blue about his role at night is the guy being stupid enough to answer. | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:28 Acrofales wrote: Marv, if you're a parity cop who had to claim the targets beforehand, then it is a completely useless role if you even think there might be a small chance of scum having a framer. I'm well aware of this. But what's a boy to do? | ||
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On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie. Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad. ... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously? | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote: ... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously? Like, I seriously cannot believe in any way you're equating your play when you play like this: On February 26 2013 09:49 VayeshMoru wrote: It was a dark day for the settlers. With the children of atom back Vayesh knew work had to be done. He began to sift through the remains of his fallen friends. Sadly after a quick glance of both bodies it was clear no new information could be garnered. It was then that Vayesh knew it was time for the detailed job. Hours seemed to pass as he poured through the historical documents on the children of atom. It was well known they had a lust for genocide but they seemed to have some other goal in mind as well. All of the relevant information seemed to have been purged however. Only the generic rise and fall of the cult in the past was recorded. Vayesh thought all hope was lost then realized that the answer may actually be held by the machines left behind to deal with the threat. Gazing at the automatons a plan began to appear. Vayesh marched his way to the center of the throng, pushing his way to the center of the commotion. People were fretting over who should replace gmarshal as mayor. It seemed fitting that the men who killed him would clamor to the front hoping to gain some edge of power to use against Vayesh and his friends. So far none of the men who had come to plea their case were trustworthy. Vayesh had seen all he needed to be disgusted. This town needed order, this town needed guidence, this town needed chezinu to how you play as BloodyC0bbler. Really this blows my mind. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:17 HiroPro wrote: i dont like prplz case. from what i have seen bc spends a lot of time looking to punish bad play or things he doesnt like even if they arent about finding mafia. look at lviii where he says to kill palmar even thoufh clearly town and then later in obs qt says he did it just cause he thought palmars play was antitown. if bc just keeps spending his time saying same things over and over about yamato then kill him but otherwise look at his other stuff i say. bc tell us about people other than yamto and ver. i already know what you say about them. you are familar with supersoft? what do you think of him. where did he say this? i was involved in this game and in that QT and as far as I remember his argument was that Palmar was playing anti-town *and was therefore mafia*. He says this both in-game and in the QT | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and the person I am roleplaying as makes total sense to do what I am doing. That's your contention, sure, but as far as I can see you're just pushing people who don't post. Don't say it's an "outright lie" that I'm able to find you town Day 1 and then make a comparison to a game I wasn't even playing where you were trolling under a smurf. That's just ridiculous. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: disagree. Even as trolling as a smurf I still pushed my own reads and when I had to broke my roleplay. Posting style can change, major pattern didnt. I don't need to make stupidly large posts to state my opinions. People may listen to them more then but if I don't feel like posting large blocks of texts or yelling at people for 20 pages i'm not going to. I have not done anything this game that would make it hard to determine my alignment if you were able to actually pin me 100% day 1. you expect me, as purely an observer, to make a massive effort to determine what your posts are pushing when you're trolling, as opposed to when I'm actually in a game and you're not trolling? How can you not see how absurd this is? Where did I say I could pin you 100% Day 1? I never said that, why are you even saying I did? Why are people constantly misrepresenting what I say this game? | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I think this is the post he's referring to. It doesn't read like "LOL BC so easy to read" to me...more like "Usually as town BC will have given me reasons to think he's town, and this game there's nothing like that" Right, and this is bleedingly obvious to anyone with half a brain, and BC certainly has that. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: thats the post by the way. Do you say 100% no. But the connotation that goes with it does suggest it. no, it suggests exactly how VE said it and exactly how it's written. That you've given me reasons to think you're town. Like, it literally says those very words and that is exactly how it was meant. Why is this hard to grasp? | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yes, but I was also lynched day 1 no? Pretty sure I'm allowed to attempt risky gambles like that given i was attempting to save town from being retarded. yes, but it also suggests that you were quite convinced Palmar was mafia. Anyway it's not that relevant so never mind. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Uh ohhhhh......so it WAS "him outright saying" to "well the connotation was there" yes. that really is a lie. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: You weren't trying to save town from shit you were trying to survive because you were third party LMAO Don't get me wrong town was being retarded...but come on man.... Huh? BC was town that game no? | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Because I know you use varying levels analyzing someone. "leans town, could be town, likely town" Or obvious the opposite. Perhaps its also because one of my best town tells was already posted in this thread by someone and ignored by all. Realistically I don't care why you dislike how I interpret things. because you said i made an outright lie on something you completely incorrectly took a connotation of. you're calling me a liar because you're making my words into something they aren't. you should care. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:44 Vivax wrote: Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato. Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment. Now Town Town Scum I notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them. most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax. | ||
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On March 13 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote: Someone with some experience playing with SS as scum: does he throw curveballs like that townie post? it's not a curveball, it's something that sounds good but will safely be ignored by the whole thread. no idea why you think it's a big deal. | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Me too. Watch I'll make a meaningless list too. It should have a decent mix too. Ver/Foolishness/BC/Supersoft/prplhz/Acrofales/Prom/marv/Vivax/Yamato Scum are hiding in that list somewhere. SOMEWHERE among half the players, the scum are hiding. Somewhere. the fact you don't include yourself in that list is a MASSIVE scumtell! !! !!!!! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:06 iamperfection wrote: why are people not commenting on me nailing the scum team? because if you've read the thread we've been talking about those guys all phase, bish. <3 | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:11 iamperfection wrote: see now you make be break the 4th role the guy im impersonating (somewhat badly) says theres nothing wrong with speculating and directing night actions you jib-jubs I don't know why but I found this totally hilarious. | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:31 supersoft wrote: Yes. We direct nightactions. But not like that. decent medics stick with: marv, me, BC That's the order if you multiply scumhunting-skills and estabished-townieness. Marv established himself well. I am lurking since the beginning of the game. But I did some things I probably wouldn't do as scum. BC hasn't done much telling, but he's dangerous for scum. Depending on the scumteam, BC and I may switch positions on the proritylist. All the other good scumhunters are on the edge of getting lynched. Therefor no good targets. The three players named above, should be the favourite targets. However they're also the favourite targets for medics now. Regardlessly the scumteam will try to shoot one or two of us. That's where decent medics come into play. Don't think my post here will keep them from shooting us. Can you tell me why? I wanna know | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:43 supersoft wrote: mulitple reasons: - deadlinetiming - rhyming trolling people - day1 in a large game - watched the complete 2 seasons of game of thrones Sunday/Monday and had a whole lof university today. ^_^ alright. I'm mostly with VE on this one, he's done way more to demonstrate that he's town than you have. somehow i haven't got a mafia-vibe from you so far (i believe i said similar earlier) but you need to pick things up tomorrow because day 1 was horrible. | ||
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no, super. I've decided not to worry about you any more as you made me giggle. marv's-top-secret-mafia-heuristics TM | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:53 Foolishness wrote: If only marvellosity could play every game like Fivetouch. I'm even doubting myself that they are the same person. If only you could play the game like you're genuinely invested and not randomly lie for no good reason. I'm even doubting that you're the great scumhunter and townie of legend. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote: What I find hilarious is how he used the fact that he always reads you as scum to push this idea that you must be scum, but is trying to use the fact that you're so easy to read as town as evidence that you must be scum. Something doesn't add up here... I was going to save it for my post later, but this all over. Absolutely all over. Foolish left his series of lies about 'always finding me scum' that it must have been the game I was smurfing where he found me scum. The game where I lynched mafia over and over. Now he's saying that he can't believe FiveTouch was me, with the obvious implication that FiveTouch played very well under that alias. Except, apparently he found me mafia under that alias. Funny. | ||
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On March 13 2013 10:23 Foolishness wrote: From the General Guide to Mafia (keep in mind this is in the town section): You honestly think I'm asking a question to something I don't know? tsk tsk! Gotta read between the lines They are reading between the lines, and you're missing it | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote: I would (yeah still not in bed I need another shot fo F5), so consider me a supporter for the lynch tomorrow, along with yamato still. I just noticed he told Hiro to not be aggressive on Kurumi for roleplaying but then defended yamato for the vig shot on him so yeah, that looks strange and not consistent. What I found scummy afterwards was the fact he wanted to get me lynched for me for having a slight townread on him. Doesn't make much sense. When I'm town and someone reads me correctly I don't think that dude is scum as a reflex. Also, yamato might or might not be scum, changed my mind :> VIVAX. I want to might or might not be scum. Please. | ||
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On March 13 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote: Well im considered verbose, but you make me sound like a one-liner.. lets see BC = scum A list of 6 guys, some could be scum cos low contributers You have read Duel, but commenting on Cora.. when half the arguments are based on contrast with Duel... Vivax is scum Marv is 50/50 My stance still applies, I want to see you do some follow ups if around. Politicians can't just delegate everything... + If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute. this is unhelpful, unproductive, scummy looking mocsta. anyway i'm going to start writing up my post that i should've started a while ago. | ||
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I'm going to start with the wishy washy (my thoughts that is, not how they've played necessarily) middle. risk, prplhz, BC, Stutters, slOosh, Mocsta, Ver (ugh), Acrofales, supersoft. ok quick rundown. I like risk when he's around, it feels like town risk. But he's not around enough, and that's more mafia risk. prplhz. super lurky, although a decent case on BC. Some posts feel like town prplhz, but the lurkiness, oh the lurkiness. I'm banking on his weird anger towards me being genuine, but i'm not sure. BC. Weird roleplaying thing that he's trying to excuse how he's playing. I don't like it. I don't like how he said I outright lied about him, when it clearly wasn't the case, as per what VE and I wrote. I'm pretty clearly town to most people reading the thread properly, BC has a brain, so I should be pretty clearly town to him too. Instead he's baselessly attacking me. Not good. But I don't think he should be a focus tomorrow. Stutters - super lurky and bad, called out, did some stuff, disappeared. Don't know what to make of him. his contributions seemed ok when he stopped RPing. bleh. slOosh. absent. bad. maybe his push on yamato is genuine. maybe his role thing up there is genuine. wait and see. could well be mafia, but could still be town. Mocsta. Snipey and unhelpful, but isn't shitting up the thread. don't know where i stand with him. Ver. Really absent. Maybe he should be in somewhat scummy. I just don't know. confuses the fuck out of me. Acrofales. wasn't sure what he has been trying to achieve so far this game. but reads post that he just made looks decent at first glance. i expect him to be stepping it up and helping day 2 if he's town. supersoft, not getting mafia vibes. but really, really unproductive, which is unlike supersoft. bleh. [u]People I'm town on to varying degrees Hiro. Too lurky I guess, but his posts feel genuine when he makes them. I'm not sure, but I'm kinda leaning town here. I don't see why he should be a focus tomorrow at all. VE. Has backed me up, whether on purpose or not, on several occasions. So he's seeing the game the way i am. I hope to god he's town. I think he's town, no reason at all not to at this stage. Dandel. His play really does feel nothing like British II that he just came out of as mafia. He's more helpful and productive, even if still trolly, but he'll always be that way. I liked his catch on Acro's sheeping at the end of day 1, which may or may not mean anything. austin. seems to be thinking about the game and caring about the game, engaging people in conversation. I have no real reason to think austin is mafia at this point. Oatsmaster. Suspicious of a lot of people, that's how he plays town. He is always all over the place, he asks stupid questions, and apparently contradicts himself quite a bit. this doesn't make him mafia. Oats plays SCARED as mafia. Posts like these are not scared: On March 13 2013 02:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Going to sleep, Ill be up at deadline to see what else you monkeys post. strongandbig - I think he's probably town. I know recently he's had a massive motivation problem with mafia in general, and I think if he rolled mafia this game he'd just have completely given up. Lurkier than I like but is actually providing some contributions and points when he's around. iamp - posting less than I like, but some posts give me a warm and fuzzy vibe. don't see a reason to look at him right now. especially as he made me a giggle. good towntell ;D Promethelax - despite posting in limericks, seems to have a clear plan and idea to his play. he was all over the shop as mafia in LX, his limerick posts actually make more sense than his awful posts here. MAYBE he's hiding behind it? but i don't think so right now. yamato - his posting today makes me feel better about him. i still think he's town, i'm not certain, but I don't want to lynch him right now either. More interesting things [b]Vivax! Not actually certain Vivax is mafia at all. Here's the thing about Vivax. He's absolutely batshit insane. This is usually a pretty solid town tell for Vivax. However there are a few specific things that make me worry about using this broadbrush read. 1) a really weird slight town read on Crossfire 2) calling Foolishness town and attacking me, despite having not read either filter and missing TWO things in Foolishness' under one page filter 3) asking me to ragequit like in LVIII. He knows I was town there, and he also probably knows that I only genuinely really rage when I'm town. I don't like this at all. So Vivax, I don't know. Crossfire Nothing in his filter says town. At all. The reason we didn't lynch him is because he conveninently showed up as the votes were piling on him, and was like "oh lol is it deadline lol daylights saving time" and it seemed kinda genuine. What the fuck has he done with this reprieve? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Looks like mafia. Corazon I think he's mafia. I'm running out of time so I can't quote posts, but his push on yamato feels really forced. If I'm dead, go read back through his filter. Look at how he talks about his push on yamato. It continuously reads that he's going to keep pushing yamato until he doesn't have to anymore. He refuses to do anything else, but he basically says "yeah I'm just going to tunnel yamato". He's not active or engaged with anything else. When yamato was in the thread earlier talking with austin, corazon came back to the thread to tunnel yamato some more, and disappeared, deciding not to take the time to make conversation with his main scumread. Looks like mafia. Foolishness Apparently he's short of time because he's doing jack shit. He got caught in a lie by saying that he always finds me scummy, even though that's impossible, everything he said about that, our games together, my smurf game, has been disproved. He's kinda around but not doing anything. I'm quoting this post for length On March 11 2013 13:14 Foolishness wrote: And it is so on this brightest of white days that I stroll into Personality Town. I clutch the assignment paper in my pocket as I walk into the main parts of the town. The paper that was handed to me not moments ago from the gate guard Greymist. Though I had arrived late to the town, I had already knew exactly where I was proceeding to; a destination known, but not known for I had only just arrived and getting my bearings down would take some effort. But on the right side of the street I came across a wonderful grove; full of vibrant trees that radiated through the yard. I stopped for a moment to take in the scene. I was not the only one so moved by the scenery, as many people buzzed through their way through the many trees. Not a minute had passed before a fine gentleman approached the grove as well. Though I gave him no inclination to, he stood beside me and struck up conversation. "They are cherry pickers you see," he said, pointing at the people wandering in and out of the grove. "Cherry pickers?" I asked. "Yes," BloodyC0bbler replied. "But they only pick cherries. Ask them to pick from the apple trees, and you will be met with resistance." "That must make it difficult to accomplish anything." "Aye. You best be moving on. If you stare too long you too will succumb to the ripe taste of the cherry. And then we will have lost another soul." "But what about you?" I questioned him. "I am the shepherd of these people. It is my job to lead them down the path of the scumhunt; to steer them away from the cherry trees. They are my responsibility." Without another word I departed the poor man and made my way down the street. And I wondered about the shepherd as I walked. Surely his cause is noble, but is that all there is too it? For a few minutes I pondered this question as I walked, until I came across a man sitting on a bench. "Excuse me," I asked the man, "could you tell me where I can find the house of Vivax?" "Ahhh, the house of Vivax you say? Well I could not know where anything is in this town. You see I am blind, and I have not interest where anything is in this town during my stay," Ver replied. "Blind?!?!" I was shocked at this finding. "But how can you possibly hope to accomplish anything?" "Oh ho ho sir! You only think to see with your eyes. But you have other senses with which you can see. You must learn to use all your senses in this town, not just what you see with your eyes. And then you will see! You will see that there is much to learn from your other sense. Why I have learned so much in this short time without my eyes. Sometimes, your eyes bias your mind, and you see things that are not really there. You only see them because your mind wants to. I do not have such issues. And thus, what I see is truly......pure." Truly pure. I was at a loss for words from his short speech. What could I say to that? I gave a quick goodbye and went on my way, pondering his vision about seeing; seeing what is right in front of you, seeing without your eyes. Was I seeing things that weren't really there? Was I just seeing them because my mind wanted to see them? I ducked into a coffee shop and parked myself at a table. I looked back through notes of the case. Except this time, I did not read with my eyes, but I read with my mind. And I saw something different this time. I saw what couldn't be seen with my eyes. I saw exactly what I needed to see. It was beyond what I saw the first time, the first time with my eyes. I saw a depth that was previously not there. I saw all the motivation (or lack of it), all of the ineptitude, all through a hidden agenda. It was...pure. With the knowledge of my mind lingering in my head, I packed up my things and continued on my way; destination in hand, more determined than ever. ##Vote: Vivax He had the time to make a post like this, but not do anything more than skim the thread for a read he'd later recant? Why not spend that fucking time writing the post doing something useful? This fucking REEKS of mafia making some kinda post to make it look like they're doing something. But he wasn't. I've run out of time. This will have to do. [/b] | ||
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for what it's worth, I received opposite alignments back for Foolish and Ver. | ||
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No idea at all. Luckily it has no bearing on the fact that Foolishness needs to hang. ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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On March 13 2013 12:54 cDgCorazon wrote: ##Vote: Yamato Let's kill this mofo. lol. wow. | ||
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On March 13 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: You can sit here and mislynch me all you want. My death will only confirm Yamato and Mocsta being scum. it wouldnt even do that slightly. try harder. | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:48 Foolishness wrote: 1) I don't believe anything Marv says cause I'm 95% sure he's mafia. 1a) ^^if I'm wrong then Ver will die sooner or later anyways. 2) yamato77 safer and for sure kill while Ver isn't so. My vote isn't moving. You're absolutely terrible if you think I'm mafia. For activity alone, no mafia in TL history comes CLOSE to matching my activity, because it's impossible to do. Foolish needs to die | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:11 Vivax wrote: Do you know if marv returns two checks in the same night or in following? Cause I don't and he wouldn't have answered if I asked him at night. Anyway it's more likely Ver is mafia than Foolishness. Actually Ver is a neat vig shot, I'm just waiting for... + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 10:56 slOosh wrote: Wat deadline is in 1hr? psh don't want to wait that long, and scum can't stop me if I post early anyhow Rereading for the past 3 or 4 hours ... and yea maybe I got my tunnel on too hard ... probably because I researched too much into personality mafia 1 and subscribe under the Ace / L school of thought. Still don't like yamato but it's probably destructive for me to continue play like this. + Anyhoo, I'm gonna remedy this as best I can tonight cuz I'm the Warlock Techies, and I'ma blowing up (lolol) all the baddies with me. Of course the hosts don't know anything about balance (lolol) so it's not so simple as ##suicide: baddies, but I hope to take a couple down with me. Hopefully they turn out scummers, but in worst case I take out mislynches and lurkers. I need to regen some mana but everything should pan out by midcycle (24 hours) into day 2 - if not you can feel free to try to lynch my charred remains :D And of course+ Show Spoiler + SlOosh seems to be up to something that will kill him, we will know during first half. I wonder if he targeted yamato together with Foolish :| Anyway he seems to have targeted lurkers and controversial people. So I suppose people like Ver, Corazon, Crossfire, prplhz. Maybe Dandel yamato but they aren't as lurky or mislynchable. Marv when you get in here tell us about your checks. I honestly don't get how time and time again you fail to read the thread. It's just so amazing. I said it right after the daypost. HOW CAN YOU MISS IT? | ||
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On March 13 2013 19:51 supersoft wrote: I kind of agree... If marv is scum, that move should kill you and Ver and him at the end, that's a 2 to 1 trade and it's killing discussion for 3 days, it's 2 guaranteed mislynches. Kind of makes sense from a scum-perspective. Marv is definetely capable of doing that. 60/40 he's still town though - from my point of view. you're also pretty bad, super, if you're only 60/40 on me. | ||
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On March 13 2013 21:04 Dandel Ion wrote: Dunno why I'm on the scum side of all those shitty lists but if you're too bad to read me I got good news: You don't have to. I hope you are aware of that. marv still town. fool still scum, only he's taking a townie with him now. For the love of god, why did nobody shoot cross... Or he's scum supervet of unkillable again, I guess in that case you don't need to bother playing this game, huh. don't worry Dandel, I got this. super is right in that a yamato death would clear some things up. It might buy Foolishness another day or two, helps with corazon and sloosh, etc. if yamato flips town or no-shot happens, foolish should die immediately. | ||
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On March 13 2013 21:21 Dandel Ion wrote: So from what I gathered nuke happens at the end of day? my answer is "meh". Anyways sloosh I think (or austin i always mix them up) is shooting a bunch of people halfway through the day, so until then, not really too much to do other than stressing what scummers fool/cross are. where did it say end of the day? did i miss something? | ||
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On March 13 2013 21:38 Acrofales wrote: I don't understand the dividing line for "balance" purposes. Is that veterans vs. scrubs? As for a list from scum -> town, I just made a list last night. Nothing has changed. given you had Foolish somewhere around null and he just shot one of your "strongest townreads", nothing changes? | ||
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On March 13 2013 13:59 slOosh wrote: Could you expand on this please? Are you making loose relations around vet balance? missed this. yes. | ||
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On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Town Lynched Percentage (Minimum 10 games) kitaman27 0/25 = 0.00% Fishball 0/18 = 0.00% Foolishness 0/18 = 0.00% Keirathi 0/13 = 0.00% Node 0/13 = 0.00% supersoft 0/13 = 0.00% chaos13 0/11 = 0.00% barundar 0/10 = 0.00% iamperfection 0/10 = 0.00% DoctorHelvetica 0/10 = 0.00% Eiii 0/10 = 0.00% GMarshal 0/10 = 0.00% Mementoss 0/10 = 0.00% Does Foolishness look like a guy this game who's never been lynched in 18 games as town? | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:07 iamperfection wrote: no it does not Also he says your 95% likely to be scum but is not trying to convince us or pushing your lynch at all. He once again dosnt care about this lynch and that is scummy. Aye. And given Foolishness is such a fan of meta, it's also pretty clear which alignment I'm playing more like. It's fucking pathetic. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:11 supersoft wrote: So you want to lynch Foolish regardless of yamatos alignment? I don't know yamato's alignment. All I know is these things 1) I think yamato is town 2) I am town 3) Foolishness is playing like a scrubby mafia ass. | ||
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Just in Parallel Worlds when mafia kept switching Foolishness between universes to avoid the lynch. I know I'm town and there is not a chance FOolishness thinks I'm 95% mafia. IT's literally impossible. I am certain he's mafia. | ||
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I just literally can see no way Foolishness is town. Acro, nukes were announced in both these games you mentioned, right? I remember them being announced in Bureaucracy. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:34 supersoft wrote: You have to be trolling me right now. Seriously, lynch Foolish day3 if it pleases you. Not today. The fact that you even consider lynching the guy, who just nuked the guy who gives town the most information if he dies, drives me crazy. It's just dumb to kill Foolish before the shot goes through. We're in no rush with that. We can easily wait for the additional information. i will take that into my signature. Give me a couple of alternative targets, bish. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:36 Acrofales wrote: Oh. The nuke is real. Fuck. not necessarily. someone launched a fake nuke in Bureaucracy I think and it didn't land? I think i'm remembering it right. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:43 supersoft wrote: Considering marvs check, I think if Yamato is scum, you probably should lynch Ver and not Foolishness. ... that's not a today thing either dear. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:49 Vivax wrote: Marv where did you announce your claim I only see you saying that Foolish needs to die tell us what you got, how many checks who it was etc. everything. Also I quoted the post above cause you usually don't tell your main scumread "You're absolutely terrible if you think I'm scum" Foolish how sure are you marv is scum? Literally the third post after the daypost. On March 13 2013 12:43 marvellosity wrote: well, if we had medics they failed pretty hard :p for what it's worth, I received opposite alignments back for Foolish and Ver. what were the results of your night action, Vivax? Don't bullshit me now. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:49 Vivax wrote: Marv where did you announce your claim I only see you saying that Foolish needs to die tell us what you got, how many checks who it was etc. everything. Also I quoted the post above cause you usually don't tell your main scumread "You're absolutely terrible if you think I'm scum" Foolish how sure are you marv is scum? Demonstrably untrue On September 19 2012 01:57 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is being awful he should die he read my alignment correctly in NMM3 and I refuse to believe he'd so arbitrarily get it so wrong here straight OMGUS, deal with it | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:52 iamperfection wrote: pretty sure he said 95% why you no read thread? This. A million times this. Vivax has asked at least 20 questions this game which have been answered already if he would read the thread. | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote: Ok ok I'll keep the calm I'm again rushing too much, I missed that thing you wrote marv and the Foolishness thingy is recent. My bad didn't read properly sorry. Anyway. I want to lynch Ver in that case. I have no clue about Foolish currently but it's insane to favour him for lynch over a guy who doesn't move a finger after announcing he would. Also we can't be sure about Foolish until we see yamato flip. Additionally, we need to wait for SlOosh's actions. SlOosh should tell us who he targeted though. What were the results of your night actions? | ||
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On March 13 2013 22:58 Vivax wrote: Don't see why I should tell you how my role works or what I did tonight. You had to announce your target for yours to work, I don't have to. Fine, I'll dig your filter and expose you to the thread. | ||
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On March 13 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote: Marv might or might not be scum. Just saying, see you tomorrow :p On March 13 2013 04:20 Vivax wrote: Well I don't care justice is approaching marv beware And you Promethelax Your trusted circle sucks Join me in my pressure and we'll find the red treasure On March 13 2013 05:26 Vivax wrote: Tomorrow it might be clear however depending on how this night goes. Supersoft can I add that you remind me of your LVIII self? You are preparing your famous lists yes? On March 13 2013 09:29 Vivax wrote: Also Risk.Nuke I forgot about that dude. This is one of the lurky towns :| Anyway I'm off to bed. Marv might or might not be scum remember my words. On March 13 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote: I would (yeah still not in bed I need another shot fo F5), so consider me a supporter for the lynch tomorrow, along with yamato still. I just noticed he told Hiro to not be aggressive on Kurumi for roleplaying but then defended yamato for the vig shot on him so yeah, that looks strange and not consistent. What I found scummy afterwards was the fact he wanted to get me lynched for me for having a slight townread on him. Doesn't make much sense. When I'm town and someone reads me correctly I don't think that dude is scum as a reflex. Also, yamato might or might not be scum, changed my mind :> | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:08 Vivax wrote: Huh what yamato and marv might or might not be scum how is that a softclaim it's true. Why are you so paranoid bullshit. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:34 iamperfection wrote: what happened to that big scary pressure oats? who cares? it's totally unimportant. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:45 Oatsmaster wrote: It got sidetracked. Deal with it. So Iamp. What did you do last night? Also, do you think Ver should die. Sheep me on to Vivax, Oats. And don't ask iamp silly questions. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:46 Crossfire99 wrote: Hi guys. I sucked this game and I'm sorry. I actually have some free time now so I'll try and redeem myself. I'll begin by doing this. ##NUKE: Foolishness I'll also vote for Vivax cause he's scum. ##Vote: Vivax lol holy crap. | ||
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On March 13 2013 23:53 supersoft wrote: I even put it in my signature... Foolish won't die BEFORE his nuke lands. It happens at the same time! ha! | ||
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lol. don't ever talk to other people about not reading, Vivax. | ||
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It seems one of Foolish and yamato has to be mafia from how this game has happened. Obviously I think it's Foolish. If Foolish is mafia then he's dead, good, and the Crossfire problem is mostly resolved. If Foolish is town, then yamato is mafia and he's dead, and we can lynch Crossfire. All seems quite ok. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote: Ok marv I think I'll shoot you without double-checking then since apparently it's fine. ##shoot marv this is probably fake. if i somehow end up dead in a minute, make sure Vivax's lynch goes through. | ||
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<3 deep breaths and carry on! | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:07 Vivax wrote: EBWOP: Not the answer I'd have expected if you were town. Cause you would be raging. it just means, as per usual, i'm cleverer than you Vivax. You should be used to that by now. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:08 iamperfection wrote: so who wants to kill ver with me? sloosh when does your supposed stuff happen? you need to give me a really good reason you're not voting for Vivax after I exposed him. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:09 supersoft wrote: In control? You see what you did with your shit? That crossfire (F********* NOOOOOB) nuked foolish on your command. lol how did I command it? Get a grip. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:08 iamperfection wrote: so who wants to kill ver with me? sloosh when does your supposed stuff happen? don't tell ppl to read the thread when you havne't bish On March 13 2013 10:56 slOosh wrote: Wat deadline is in 1hr? psh don't want to wait that long, and scum can't stop me if I post early anyhow Rereading for the past 3 or 4 hours ... and yea maybe I got my tunnel on too hard ... probably because I researched too much into personality mafia 1 and subscribe under the Ace / L school of thought. Still don't like yamato but it's probably destructive for me to continue play like this. + Anyhoo, I'm gonna remedy this as best I can tonight cuz I'm the Warlock Techies, and I'ma blowing up (lolol) all the baddies with me. Of course the hosts don't know anything about balance (lolol) so it's not so simple as ##suicide: baddies, but I hope to take a couple down with me. Hopefully they turn out scummers, but in worst case I take out mislynches and lurkers. I need to regen some mana but everything should pan out by midcycle (24 hours) into day 2 - if not you can feel free to try to lynch my charred remains :D And of course+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:10 supersoft wrote: haha okay, GG scumteam. GG. Get a grip super. Seriously. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:12 risk.nuke wrote: Well done Vivax, I was just going to propose somebody shoot the dt claimer. Explain yourself. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:13 supersoft wrote: NO! I AM FUCKING MAD! HOW CAN YOU LAUNCH A MISSLE AFTER I WASTED 1 HOUR OF MY VALUABLE TIME EXPLAINING WHY THAT GUY HAS TO LIVE!? Who cares? It's done. Now work with what we've got. You're a strong player and you're confirmed town. Use this opportunity please. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:20 Vivax wrote: How about this marv, either you are my bitch doing what I say today or I nuke you. Nope threaten me more though. i know you don't have a nuke. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:21 Crossfire99 wrote: Who said anything about me getting a power today? Scumslip. He and foolish both scum. um, if Vivax is scum and you're town, how would he know you got a power, if you did? how is that a scumslip? | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:23 Vivax wrote: I know you got it just like I did. There's an inventor out there who can pick something to distribute. Either the nukes get distributed randomly or following a pattern. Maybe some of them are fake and some aren't. hmm. If you do genuinely have a nuke, and Crossfire does, and Foolish does, then the inventor is almost certainly mafia. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote: I didn't lie. I didn't do anything this night. If you want me to say something else then I'd have to lie. I don't believe you. What i have underlined below clearly indicates that something was happening LAST NIGHT. On March 13 2013 05:26 Vivax wrote: Tomorrow it might be clear however depending on how this night goes. Supersoft can I add that you remind me of your LVIII self? You are preparing your famous lists yes? On March 13 2013 09:29 Vivax wrote: Also Risk.Nuke I forgot about that dude. This is one of the lurky towns :| Anyway I'm off to bed. Marv might or might not be scum remember my words. On March 13 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote: [/QUOTE]I would (yeah still not in bed I need another shot fo F5), so consider me a supporter for the lynch tomorrow, along with yamato still. I just noticed he told Hiro to not be aggressive on Kurumi for roleplaying but then defended yamato for the vig shot on him so yeah, that looks strange and not consistent. What I found scummy afterwards was the fact he wanted to get me lynched for me for having a slight townread on him. Doesn't make much sense. When I'm town and someone reads me correctly I don't think that dude is scum as a reflex. Also, yamato might or might not be scum, changed my mind :> "depending on how the night goes" "remember my words" - this sounds very much like your ability will make you die if you target a mafia with it. "Also, yamato might or might not be scum, changed my mind :>" you changed your mind on your night action. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:36 Vivax wrote: If you think I'm mafia why would you assume I have an ability that targets mafia? why do you think i coloured you half red half green in my reads post? the fact you're now bullshitting about whatever it is you supposedly have makes it look like just another dumb ploy. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:42 Vivax wrote: I won't explain to you how my role works, I just will tell you I didn't lie last night. My flip will reveal how my role worked. I won't give scum information on how they have to deal with my role and what they can expect. Btw you've thought a lot about my role why so interested in the possible effects it could have for scum? We should talk prplhz and risk not this stuff. How in the hell can you say such non-saying things: You basically said risk isn't around when he's mafia, and he clearly isn't around this game, and you would prefer lynching me who should be obvitown to you, and Foolishness who is someone you never want to mislynch? Tell me what's stopping you from lynching these two please. i don't have strong feelings they're mafia. By the way if you look at my post in N1 it's pretty clear i thought you were some kind of weak doctor, because I posted that I wanted to be mafia or not mafia, because I wanted protection. Also, I've never mislynched Foolishness, every time I had a mafia-read on him, he was mafia. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:46 Vivax wrote: Alright marv, then give me your usual pinky-promise that we lynch you if you were wrong on Foolish. why would I do that? it doesn't make me mafia. if you're saying I should think you're obv-town by now, the same applies 10x the other way. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:57 Acrofales wrote: Wait... WTF. Can I do that too? My pm says nothing about nukes. Are we secretly playing in a bastard game? ##nuke Vivax you should read the thread. | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:58 Dandel Ion wrote: anyways, out of 3 nukes, at least one is fake for sure. maybe all of them. are you asking the mods, broski? | ||
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On March 14 2013 00:59 Dandel Ion wrote: ikr. Instead LETS GIVE NUKES TO A BUNCH OF MORONS/SCUM that'll help. It's like I said dandel. The inventor is mafia. If any DT rolechecks someone for the inventor at any point this game, CLAIM THAT SHIT AND LYNCH HIM. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:03 Vivax wrote: Marv is likely not town anyway or he wouldn't give people like risk, prplhz and Dandel such slack without calling them out once in a while. when was the last time you saw a mafia with a 20 page filter not even halfway through day 2? you linked Hero mafia earlier, where I had 20 page filter for 5 days. That is by far my longest ever mafia filter. Do you not have a brain at all? | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:04 risk.nuke wrote: Now you think he is "likely" not town, but "likely" enough for you to go kush on him? LOL. thanks risk, i needed that. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:13 kitaman27 wrote: The following message has been sent by Plexa: Ядерное оружие не являются подделкой. Nuclear weapons are not fake | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:17 HiroPro wrote: i think we should just lynch foolishness. if the nukes are real and foolish has been nuked, that's silly | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:20 supersoft wrote: that message is a scummessage. plexa must be scum. yes obviously | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:20 Crossfire99 wrote: If we lynch him, he dies. If I nuke him and it's real, he dies. What's the difference? you vig morons, you lynch normal scumreads. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: What's funny about this day is that I've been constantly trying to discuss risk and prplhz and other guys while you guys constantly keep talking about my night actions and insulting me. So I can't really feel guilty about parrots more eager to talk smack than trying to solve the game. That said, Dandel risk and prplhz play like scum and should be treated like scum. Marv didn't pay attention to them and preferred talking about a lot of irrelevant bullshit, so even in the case he's town you should only notice that the main spammer has gone. the main person who can catch mafia is gone you mean. Remember Day 2 LIX when all your fucking reads were wrong but I led town to lynching mafia? Yes? If you're town, this is exactly the same. Dandel is not mafia and I wouldn't be surprised if neither prplhz or risk are either. although one may be. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:34 Promethelax wrote: assume I have half a brain your thoughts please explain vivax lied 'bout his role in soft claiming what was his goal? I only see scum, that is plain. Vivax is a fucking idiot but it doesn't NECESSARILY make him scum. I think Corazon has a higher chance to flip mafia. I'll check into this later but it's how i feel right now. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:40 Acrofales wrote: Bleh, I had a conspiracy theory about how it was Palmar who gave out the nukes, but never mind. Plexa is in the database. Played 3 games about a billion years ago. However, I don't see any nukes in his filters. Plexa is a mod. Work it out bish | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote: ITS A TRAP. No seriously we kill Vivax now, then he doesnt do even more stupid stuff like NUKE MARV. Seriously Vivax doesnt LEARN. WHY NOT. !!! It feels exactly like a trap. Some mafioso distributes nukes to lurky-looking scum, who may or may not be scum, and the most volatile, stupid player ever to play mafia, who clearly wants my ass. What else was going to happen today? This all feels orchestrated. *sigh* | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: I don't really see how nukes and bans are the same thing. But this whole line of thought is pointless. Vivax is Toad, or has been roleplaying Toad all game as a rather clever disguise. That makes him not-Plexa and not where the missiles originated. ##unvote Mods can nuke really terrible posts. And not just in the singular | ||
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if there is one thing i know it is setups and i cannot imagine the nukes being real. to me this smells like a big fake disruption. let's lynch foolish. Also I refuse to believe that the guy who posted this has nothing to do with this: [QUOTE]Anyhoo, I'm gonna remedy this as best I can tonight cuz I'm the Warlock Techies, and I'ma blowing up (lolol) all the baddies with me. Of course the hosts don't know anything about balance (lolol) so it's not so simple as ##suicide: baddies, but I hope to take a couple down with me. Hopefully they turn out scummers, but in worst case I take out mislynches and lurkers. I need to regen some mana but everything should pan out by midcycle (24 hours) into day 2 - if not you can feel free to try to lynch my charred remains :D[/QUOTE[/QUOTE] Alright, I can go with Foolish. Foolish can redeem himself by playing this game like he can, but so far he isn't. ##Unvote ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:53 Dandel Ion wrote: But that's assuming he's town. The far simpler solution is: When somebody plays blatantly anti-town, he is not town. easy. you can't say that about Vivax. Go read LIX. | ||
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On March 14 2013 01:59 Vivax wrote: You guys should simply lynch someone else than the guys shooting a nuke or getting nuked or being connected to the guys shooting a nuke. The whole reason supersoft is enraged is cause people like crossfire didn't follow that advice. At least I read the thread and test reactions before shooting. yes, you're the only person in the thread who thinks i'm mafia. idiot. | ||
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We kill Foolishness today Read this analysis of his OWN play. By his OWN DEFINITION HE IS MAFIA. *READ IT* On August 10 2010 11:12 Foolishness wrote: One of the things I do when I'm town in order to figure out who's mafia is pressuring people in the thread. I call them out in the thread to see how they respond and try to figure out alignment that way. This is apparent in every game I've been in from my first. In the first game I played in (hosted by Pyrry) I called out Shikyo in the thread and pushed him hard to prove himself. From this I was able to deduce he was innocent and we were able to form a town circle. I consistently do this because I want to see how people react when I call them out. In fact I did it this game when I asked Pyrry to post his mafia list. In Incognito's mafia XXVII I pushed flamewheel hard. If the game hadn't ended he was my top suspect to lynch because of his reaction. Compare this to my games when I'm mafia. While I try to be active, it's not uncommon for me to hide amongst the lurkers. Furthermore, I PM a lot less than normal. In Flamwheel's Mafia XX, where I was the GF, I believe the only person I talked to in PMs was Incognito (minus a short stint with L). In Incognito's double mafia family game, I barely posted as I sat back sniping blues/reds. I didn't post very much until the town was half dead and after Chezinu inspected me. My behavior this games only shows that I'm innocent and not mafia. I think I have talked with more than 50% of this town in PMs, and I know more than enough of you can vouch that I'm very active talking to everyone. I would like to further emphasize my post on page 41 at the start of night 1. I told everyone exactly what I was doing, and I think people can vouch that I haven't swayed from what I said. | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:02 Vivax wrote: Same in Hero when you were. Hapa didn't notice either. that 5 day game where i had a shorter filter than i do now? cool story bro. | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:09 Promethelax wrote: but thread involvement does look marv =/= scum cuz so get that stick out of your ass play the game, don't sit back I still want to give you the buzz no, you need to sheep me on to Foolish now. He's far more likely mafia than Vivax. Read what i just posted and vote accordingly. By the way, here's Foolishness' filter from his last game as town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&user=47499¤tpage=All While he doesn't post that much, he makes several, really quite large analysis posts. This is not how he plays town. Not at all. | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:12 Promethelax wrote: the nuke doesn't have to be real. I want ot make sure I kill certain mafia. Vivax is in no way certain. I 100% agree but don't you see he is dead nuke to the head why not kill more than three? | ||
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oops the nuke doesn't have to be real. I want ot make sure I kill certain mafia. Vivax is in no way certain. | ||
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Dandel babe, why did you out your protective role of me instead of keeping it secret? | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote: Famous pre-death list. Worth a look. Contains interesting options. Fuck me Vivax. He just made a random list to take the piss out of yours. | ||
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On March 14 2013 02:48 strongandbig wrote: marv remember how you behaved after you were "weak doctor"ed as scum in that one game? that's my impression of what vivax is doing now sadly this is Vivax's regular play, not a full-on troll | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:04 Acrofales wrote: So we waste a day by all sheeping onto Foolishness with no discussion. Lets have the discussion instead and we might net a second scum. There are 4 scum in addition to Foolishness. Don't be lazy. What do you think of Cora? Do you still think Oats is scum? you checked Foolish's meta? the things I posted? still think he's like "nullish"?? | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:06 Acrofales wrote: Did the post you quoted sound like I still think he's null? You convinced me. You just didn't convince me we should lynch him when there's a nuke flying at his face. When there's a potential nuke flying at his face, with a message from a very likely scummer telling us the nukes are real. Hiro was right, handing out 3 day KPs as an invention or whatever sounds ridiculously OP. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:11 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, but I think three duds would also be stupid. So one of them is probably real. It's worth waiting and seeing which. no, that's an atrocious solution. | ||
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what about the meta arguments for Foolish do you find unconvincing? Indeed - what about Foolishness' own analysis of his play do you find unconvincing? | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:38 Vivax wrote: I will discuss Foolish when I'm back from training in 2-3 hours. Meanwhile could you expand on the points why you think that the evidence doesn't point to yamato being scum? Please don't say he could have stayed silent about his claim cause there's no way he was an anonymous dayvig. Since, if yamato is scum, then there's a crapload of information for us to gain on other people's alignments. Foolishness and corazon, 2 of the absolutely most suspicious people in the game, were on yamato. You're using incomplete association cases pre-flip. There's too many assumptions. | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:40 slOosh wrote: If you honestly think I ruined it I apologize, but I think I brought about a wealth of useful information. I have ANTI NUKE countermeasures. Proper discussion of player behavior and actions and justification does not require me to explain further. Deciding who to lynch of course does, so I'll explain clearly at like, midday or something. So to clarify again, all the nukes are real but you can cancel whichever you choose? | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:47 austinmcc wrote: I think you are town. I also think you should stop fishing for role information. If DI is a medic and protecting you in some non-normal way, he shouldn't be spelling out what's up. Don't ask him. how about you don't tell me how to play ever again. deal? Until slOosh explains exactly what's going in with nukes, I don't see much point in engaging with him. He's made what is quite clearly an anti-town move in giving nukes to volatile, lurky, or suspicious players. If slOosh genuinely had KP to give out, why wasn't he giving it out to his strongest townreads? I know slOosh respects my judgement, why wouldn't he give me a KP to kill mafia with? This whole plan stinks, and his inability just to say "yes" to my clarification is very concerning indeed. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:16 slOosh wrote: Guh ... fine. All the NUKES are fake. Of course if they were real KP I would give them out to my townreads cause dead scum is superior to finding scum. If the last guy doesn't believe me he can shoot me. Way to ruin another trap. I thought you'd be able to figure it out. If I trusted you as far as I could throw you given your posting so far this game, I may have played along. You've not earnt that right I'm afraid dear. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:18 slOosh wrote: Fair point. Now, let's get back to discussing the NUKERs? Crossfire is shooting at someone I'm convinced is mafia. good. Mafia is shooting at someone I think is town. Vivax is batshit insane. We're done. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Sloosh, relying on other people to figure out your extremely weird plan is never a good idea. NEVER. So please dont do it. Ok. Back to lynching foolishness. People who played a lot with Iamp, is this activity normal? Or bad/scummy? or roleplay-ee he still made me giggle earlier which i like. plus he was the one who really made me stop and think about vivax. i have the horrible feeling vivax is town, which means iamp is preventing me from mislynching someone when he had no reason to. i think. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote: Working on figuring out what to make of Foolishness's response to the this. If he's scum and marv isn't, Foolishness should have nuked marv, imo (Or someone more threatening to scum than Yamato right now). However, because his play leading up to this has been scummy, and because his post-nuke conduct is just to afk out again after dropping a comment about risk.nuke, I don't think it paints him as town. If he nuked marv, he'd be 10000000% scum and have no chance of avoiding lynch today. Nuking non-marv was really his only option as scum. So I'm reading his actions as an attempt to look townie, because the lead-up and the follow-up to the nuke target don't mesh with town Foolishness. So, a full thought and a partial thought. You just tangled a bit with acro, thoughts on him? It's interesting how he justified it as well, isn't it? "well i was 100% on yamato, only 95% on marv" | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:52 Foolishness wrote: I'm actually 100% on you now. hahahaha your posts make me laugh, you really need to read my posts more thoroughly. Care to refute your own analysis of your play which heavily paints you as mafia? I'm all ears broski. | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:57 Foolishness wrote: If you write a nice long post detailing when and where I did that I will gladly respond to it. But it is obvious you are picking at straws when it comes to everything about me. It's been that way since day 1. I mean lol that one post where you're like "omg he's never been lynched as town do you think he plays this way as town with that statistic" I mean loooool that's the most hilarious argument I've ever seen. That's almost as good as Tunkeg's "we should lynch jackal cause statistically he has the lowest win percentage". It's definitely clear that crossfire has revealed his true intentions now. Please lynch him immediately. It's going to be hard for me to post cause I have a long research paper due tomorrow, but I will at least give you your nice long post on how I caught you as mafia. Hopefully that nuke is going to kill you as well. ahahahahahaha. ahahahahahahaha. Let me repeat AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH. you're not fucking reading the thread. I don't need to write a big long post detailing it, I POSTED IT EARLIER. IT IS AGAIN IN THE THREAD. oh my god. | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:00 Foolishness wrote: Well if you want to be conceited about it then that's fine too. I mean I could care less about you, I'm here to win. nothing to do with being conceited. you're just not reading the thread at all. you made 2 statements in that post which demonstrably showed you're not reading the thread. a) the nukes are fake. This has been discussed over MANY PAGES NOW b) I posted that quote from you earlier from XXX discussing your play. You can't miss it. It's really long and i put bold in it and everything. your opinion is worthless. submit to me, your master. | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:03 Foolishness wrote: Oh well I hope the nukes are fake cause my role is such that I can't get lynched. Oops. well, we'll just have to test that theory out, won't we | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:52 Foolishness wrote: I'm actually 100% on you now. hahahaha your posts make me laugh, you really need to read my posts more thoroughly. On March 14 2013 05:05 Foolishness wrote: ##Vote: yamato77 cool story bro | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:21 prplhz wrote: how did plexa know prior to the first nuke launching what sloosh had done? The message came after the nukes were launched? | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:39 Foolishness wrote: And now marvellosity is acting like wherebugsgo when he's mafia. Yawn too predictable. I want my case. I want you to go through the large effort of making it so I can laugh at you as you die. Please go ahead and make the case. I implore you. | ||
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When there are a lot of players a lot better than you telling you we're not lynching yamato, and it's very clear that we're not lynching yamato, why don't you listen? why aren't you commenting on Foolishness? why are you so inattentive to all thread events when normally you like to comment on everything? why do you keep saying your flip with "confirm" yamato when it does nothing of the sort? why are you martyring? what good do you think that will do? hmm. that's more than one thing. | ||
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On March 14 2013 06:53 Vivax wrote: 2. Is more of a speculation/gamble to see if I was right later I'm not going to base my reads on that yet. Consider it a loud thought with no relevance for the objectives. We're back to scratch thanks to SlOosh's stuff. Ver hasn't shown himself. Super good Ver hasn't show himself. Marv didn't post his statistics about "lynched as town=0%" for Ver but wants to lynch Foolish who is writing about 3000 % more than super good townie Ver. on weak reasons arguing that Foolish would post more and would not be under suspicion if he was town. Marv defends yamato who doesn't play like town yamato, shot a townie roleplaying a fake Chezinu and has to have been defended by scum by virtue of numbers when he could have been an awesome target for scum given his actions with Kurumi. 2 of the people on his wagon were townie, + everything I already posted about him earlier: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 00:49 Vivax wrote: Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you. You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check. If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both. On March 13 2013 00:59 Vivax wrote: Had VE as scumread before the shot, but didn't shoot him. Proof that yamato is scum Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies. Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved". The actual announcement comes later His reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town: On March 13 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote: Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot. What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome? Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it. He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp. On March 13 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ He chose to shoot Kurumi for martyring over his "scumread" VE in the arc of 13 minutes. Bugs was martyring, too but he pumps out a 5 guy list instead of going for Bugs who does the same as Kurumi. Kurumi martyring is a good enough reason to shoot him but Bugs doing that isn't a good enough reason to lynch him over 4 others? Inconsistent reasons, terrible role usage, indications of him knowing Kurumi's flip beforehand ( + general subjective scumminess). ##Vote yamato77 posting more != townie, as you revelled in pointing out to me | ||
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On March 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote: 1. Cora's latest posts look townie as fuck. 2. I think that SlOosh's role works this way: He has to give three nukes to townies, but can only pick one shot to go through, this involves him being scum. If he lets the shot against yamato go through in consistency with his earlier case, this possibility is dismissed and we can finally go on without that WIFOMY dude around who has been obviously defended by mafia. 3. I laughed frantically at this. if you're town, you seem to be playing the Opposite Game. It's kinda hilarious. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... I'm doing things!. Corazon has a lot of posts like this in his filter. On March 11 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote: The thing is, Oats' meta is not the main part of the case. BnS laid out many reasons as to why he thinks Oats is scum and I just made a comment that I liked his case and that it had a lot of valid points in it. Let me ask you this Marv: Would you rather I... Say "I agree with SnB" and just vote for Oats? or Say "I think it's a good case but I'm going to continue to scumhunt and push my top scum read" If you prefer #1 it would be such a glaring scumtell. I'm really concerned about my appearance! On March 11 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I still think Yamato is mafia and I am going to keep saying so until he does something to convince me otherwise. This is my tunnel and I'm gonna fucking do it at the expense of doing anything else in the thread! On March 12 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: He made one post saying that VE was "acting suspicious" and then made a bunch of other posts saying "VE is scum lynch him". Did I miss something? His only saving grace is that he said Kurumi or Bugs was scum and now that he decided Kurumi was a good vig target he's going after bugs. Taking an opinion of the majority of the thread and going after bugs along with everyone else is lazy town play at best. As I've said before, something is off about Yamato. He needs to die. Yes, this is still my tunnel guys! Just gonna keep on doing this thang! On March 13 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: You can sit here and mislynch me all you want. My death will only confirm Yamato and Mocsta being scum. Martyr myself to not confirm anything! On March 14 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: Well then why does everyone sit around and make 30 pages of shit debating whether the nukes are fake? I'm pushing my top scumread, it's not my fault that you won't agree with me. Yamato is still my top scum read and my flip will only confirm that even more. If you didn't notice I had a whole part about his vote on Bugs. I would not have a problem with him voting for Vivax (someone he had a scum read on earlier). The fact that he decided to vote for bugs looks really obvious that he's just trying to sheep off of everyone. I never tried to discredit his reasoning, I just pointed out that his random decision that I was his top scum read was timed with everyone else's attack on me. Now that I'm not talked about for awhile, he stops pushing me, even though he thinks I should "die with fire", or however he phrased it. Still tunnelling! Still martyring and talking about confirming mafia in a mythical world! Anyway, those ones are fun. These are the REAL excellent ones. Witness: On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote: What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before. Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far? The trend here is - surely I'm not the ABSOLUTE scummiest? On March 11 2013 12:18 cDgCorazon wrote: Moc if you think you are scumhunting, you better look it up in the dictionary. You're piggybacking off of Vivax and Marv's arguments and you're only calling Prome's posts unreadable because he is basically saying you are playing bad. You REALLY think Yamato is [not - sic] scummier than me? Just think about it... This guy really isn't EVEN SCUMMIER than me? On March 13 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote: Moc your case is: Corazon is tunneling Yamato Corazon is worried about his image (based off YOUR interpretation of my posts) In what world is that enough to want to lynch me now? There isn't ANYONE else scummier than me? He even said this one himself. On March 14 2013 06:19 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm sticking to my guns: Yamato is scum. There's no way I've been the least productive player this game. There must be SOMEONE scummier than me? Guys? Please??? This is absolutely classic survival instincts, bleeding through loud and clear. He's not arguing that he's townie, he's arguing that there's someone else who's scummier so we should leave him, for now. This is in no way a townie mindset. This is in addition to the fact he's basically completely refused to comment on anything to do with Foolishness, despite being given numerous opportunities to do so. Corazon has absolutely no idea how to deal with the impending lynch of his mafia-buddy. This is pretty apparent. | ||
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On March 14 2013 08:41 supersoft wrote: sloosh I LOVE it! good job. You gave to nukes to the right people. Really well played. Seriously. Okay my new circle of trust: Prom, sloosh, Foolishness, vivax, cDgCorazon. You don't vote each other. On March 14 2013 09:01 supersoft wrote: issue is between these guys today: crossfire Oatsmaster Marv Yamato Ver if you weren't confirmed town and dead, I'd lynch you for being really stupid. sorry supersoft. The most important thing of all is this. This is the most important part of Foolish's post. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: Can you summarize your post cause I don't have enough time to read this? yamato, crossfire, marvellosity are all mafia, and should be killed in that order. The remaining two I don't know, maybe Ver or prphlz, maybe stutters or mocsta, not really sure. yamato, crossfire, marvellosity, in that order. Ask yourself. Why in that order? marvellosity-scum is a mafia leader. He's a mafia organiser, he's a mafia motivator. marvellosity-scum holds teams together. I am the head of any team, the danger. I have the best mafia record on the whole of TL for good reason. Check my profile. marvellosity-scum is fucking shitting up the thread, throwing false accusations around, and town are prone to following marvellosity-scum. marvellosity-scum is far more destructive to the thread than crossfire-scum or yamato-scum. marvellosity-scum SHOULD BE DYING TODAY. Not in 3 days. Now ask yourself this. You know everything I have just said is true. it should be ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE that you cut off the head now. Why has foolishness not called for my death today? Because he knows that it will be very, very, very hard to win a 1v1 with me. Even though you're all fawning over one mega-post. He's taking the easy way out. To repeat, and it's in his filter, Foolishness is 100% sure I'm mafia. I should be the only lynch for today. I on the other hand, am town, and am not taking the easy way out. Today, it is either me or Foolish. Make your beds and lie in it town. No-one else. Him. Me. | ||
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On March 14 2013 10:17 iamperfection wrote: ya marv never gets pissed when a vet attacks him thats bs http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&user=140487¤tpage=All palmar tunneled marv the entire game and marv had fits of rage several times This looks nothing like the lazy scum marv i'm used to seeing and he shown great interest and the lynch and everything happening in the thread. This looks like town marv to me. On December 19 2012 05:20 syllogism wrote: @Foolishness Short cases are often best. I know a lot of players love to write stories describing how everything about someone's play is indicative of the person being mafia or town, but in reality a lot of it is just fluff. You have been useless and wrong about everything so far. Town foolishness it not useless and rarely this wrong. You made a completely nonsensical attack on Marvel early on and your explanation for it is not satisfactory. You have ignored role based reasons for believing someone is town; it doesn't matter if the evidence isn't conclusive, it's still evidence. In addition you have mostly ignored players who you should have been suspicious, BH/Mementoss in particular. Overall your interest in the game can be, at best, characterized as superficial. The only reason I'm bothering to type even this up is because I know you've previously been, as mafia, annoyed due to being lynched/suspected when there is "no case" against you (ptp3?). Just because no one bothers to articulate a case "comprehensive" case against you doesn't mean there are no good reasons for lynching you. The main purpose when making a case is to convince everyone else, not the subject of the case. READ THIS WELL. Especially what I've bolded. Foolishness repeatedly says things like the following in his shit-post: Foolishness wrote: ...He hasn't made a case against me.... ...So until marvellosity makes a nice long post against me, what is there to respond to?... ...I know that when I'm town I'm happy to write nice long essays about why someone is mafia... ...If he is town, why isn't he more than happy to make a nice long case against me... His obsession with needing a nice long post. What has he missed? Foolishness hasn't been reading the thread so he totally missed the nukes were faked, he totally missed the self-analysis quote I posted from him. Pretty sure these aren't the only examples of him not reading the thread. On March 14 2013 12:12 austinmcc wrote: Digesting. One small initial thought. I think Foolishness's post reads well. I also think that he's not being entirely truthful. The read on marv feels legitimate, but him being a batman-posting/unlynchable/1-shot vigi? That's bs. I don't trust that at all. Makes me not trust the post as a whole, because if he's actually coming clean here and making a big towncase, he's not doing a good job of it when he's also hiding/altering information. Can I prove that he's lying? Not really. Does it seem that it is? Yeah. It feels like he's crafting a role to explain all of his behavior, and that doesn't pass the smell test with me. This. "lol I'm unlynchable". sure. His 'trap' - I will talk in more detail about this later, suffice to say I will be quoting confirmed town VisceraEyes as my support on this one. Seriously, saying he's unlynchable? ok. On March 14 2013 09:45 slOosh wrote: <3 Vivax you are after my heart. But yea we can nail him later. Gotta focus today. I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today, but I assume Foolishness has a good reason to go in that order. When you're throwing your lot in with Vivax you know you're in a dark, dark place, slOosh. On March 14 2013 08:46 slOosh wrote: Vivax is absolutely correct about marv's cherry picking: The proper quote is Whereas he misconstrued that what Foolishness said wasIt's misrepresentation on a side point. less abrasive when town = more abrasive as mafia. This is basic logic. Get a grip, seriously. And it's still totally untrue as anyone who's played with me knows. YOU should know it slOosh. On March 14 2013 21:24 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay so here's the thing: He says he analyzed a couple people. Cool. Town on Vivax after accusing him, purely on his meta interpretations. Not that he actually shares those. I somehow lost the part he writes about yamato in the quotemonster, but it's metameta too. Even some meta from completely different people, l0l. Too lazy to dig it up again, you can read it in his post yourself~.~ He also does legthy meta-blabla on marv, but I'd like to wait for marv to address that, so I'm not mentioning it yet myself. You can read it. So, apparantly he likes to use meta, huh? wait a minute Dang. Analyzing CROSS didn't come up with anything conclusive? WHAT? He's been playing to his mafia meta TO A TEE for most of the game, and especially and purely so on day 1. Yet there is no mention of that, what actually would have been a legit point, in favor of "QQ he nuked me so I dun like him!!!" That is a clear sign he did not actually look at Cross, or "analyze" him, if you will. Yet he's stated him as a higher lynch priority than marv On what basis? Read the above quote. That's his thoughts on Cross. Does it SOUND like he's more sure of him than marv? No. He's stated marv and yamato both to be "100%". So to want to lynch cross over marv, he would have to be 100% on him as well. Does not sound like it. -> Scum Foolishness is scared of having marv's mislynch on his hands, since it would guarantee his death in the near future, in some way. So he wants to push yamato/cross instead. The way he's doing it however, suggests he does NOT actually want to lynch Cross. Actual legitimate arguments against Cross are not brought up, instead we get this weaksauce omgus stuff. This can suggest two things: Either he was too lazy to put in the effort, or, he's scum with Cross and didn't want to actually nail him to the cross (huehue), at least not yet. Neither of the two are of a townie mindset. Seriously read the Cross part. He's trying to call him scum without getting him lynched. Clear as day. As I noted, I'll wait for marv to address the parts about himself first, but there's more in there too. This is simply a good and correct post. | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:45 slOosh wrote: <3 Vivax you are after my heart. But yea we can nail him later. Gotta focus today. I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today, but I assume Foolishness has a good reason to go in that order. slOosh saying... we should lynch marv today! yes! Now I make my post about how absolutely Foolish should be wanting to lynch me first, and for good reasons. I spelt them all out well enough. slOosh's response: On March 14 2013 10:06 slOosh wrote: He is also 100% sure that yamato is scum so that's a null point. Instead of pointing out the (what should be) obvious gaping logical holes of scum Foolishness' "case" in determining the three reads, you go after something inane. C'mon - rip it apart marv! There is actually plenty of reason to lynch yamato first - him flipping red does a lot to the current playing field, which is why I'm waiting on supersoft / Foolishness. Just absolute bullshit. slOosh thinks himself, before I posted, that I should be lynched first. I proceed to spell out the many reasons Foolish should want to lynch me first (mafia leader, shitting up thread, etc.) and that he's scared to take me on. slOosh responds to me saying it's a null point. Having just said HIMSELF why we should lynch me today! Fucking wow. | ||
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READ THIS POST I made on Corazon last night and TELL me what I showed comes from a town mentality. Please. This is someone Foolish is saying is very likely town. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:27 Vivax wrote: Marv you quote the same argument against SlOosh I quoted against Acro. Just that acro went against his own reasons while SlOosh mentions two different arguments for lynching two different people. Acro says: I think Ver is more likely scum and if the nuke is real we lynch Foolish, if it's fake we lynch Foolish tomorrow. The nuke isn't real and he still goes against Foolish and doesn't push for a Ver lynch at all. SlOosh says: I want to lynch marv first cause, then I want to lynch yamato first cause. All you mention are loud considerations to prefer one choice over the other which I have done plenty of times myself and is perfectly normal even for townies to do. What acro did is not what townies usually do. No, you're being atrocious as usual. slOosh said we should lynch me first. I make a post that we should lynch me first. Then slOosh says we should lynch yamato first. This is all IN THE SPACE OF ABOUT FIVE THREAD POSTS. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:35 prplhz wrote: can you guys calm down it's just a game no, because every time i play in a game with Vivax it literally diminishes my intelligence, and it's deeply depressing. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:35 prplhz wrote: can you guys calm down it's just a game can you please talk about the actual points I've raised so far, without sniping about calming down, prplhz? that's what i want. | ||
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THAT is what i want to talk about right now. Or Foolish constantly demanding a long case from me when syllogism clearly articulated that mafia Foolish gets pissy when he doesn't get a nice long case on him. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote: JOAT? Also WHAT IN THE WORLD has Iamp done to make you think he is town? why are you bitching about this and not talking about what I wrote so far? why do people pick up on the inconsequential things? | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote: What is there to talk about? I think you bring up good points and I want to lynch Foolishness/sloosh/cora in that order. oh <3 well carry on then. I might end up protecting austinmcc instead, not sure yet. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:55 Acrofales wrote: Come on guys, Cora openly slipped that he's the politician and he stole sloosh's vote. Even if politician could be a town role this game, that use of it is worse than anything Yamato did. The only town motivation I can think of for using it, is to use it on a strong scumread. Sloosh has never been a strong scumread of Cora's. KILL Cora I'd missed this. Or at least glossed over it. Corazon should have been stealing Mocsta's vote. Or Acrofales' vote. Or my vote. Why is he stealing someone's vote who already wants to kill yamato? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:01 Dandel Ion wrote: marv do you have to switch powers every time? feel free to not answer. I probably won't survive that long, so I'll answer. I have 5 distinct powers which I can only use once. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:59 marvellosity wrote: I'd missed this. Or at least glossed over it. Corazon should have been stealing Mocsta's vote. Or Acrofales' vote. Or my vote. Why is he stealing someone's vote who already wants to kill yamato? Acro brought this up. I'm gonna post it again even though I only just posted it because it's really important. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:04 iamperfection wrote: he never mentioned the steal correct? i cant see it in his filter. On March 14 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: Well, since Yamato is going to be nuked today by a North Korean nuke... ##Vote: Yamato ##Sloosh's Vote: Yamato Once again, my plan is to lynch Yamato. He is scum and lynching him will get scum down to 2 KP. It can't get more simpler than that. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:09 austinmcc wrote: For the record, as long as Cora's vote is taking up space: Read em. At the very least, the wording on the two vote-steals is different. And they operate differently, prplhz's vote went on vivax. slOosh "Decided to sheep corazon" and has to vote cora's vote. Couple conclusions: (1) One of these is bullshit, and is a power to broadcast a message to thread. The person with the "stolen vote" broadcasts that he lost a vote, votes accordingly, boom. (2) Of the two, that looks more like prplhz. Cora actively posted with "slOosh's vote" making it seem like that was a legitimate steal (3) The wording of the slOosh steal MAY indicate that slOosh is the one with the power though, because he "decided" to sheep corazon I don't like slOosh for scum yet. All that nuke stuff was such a big fat townie-looking plan. But that's the one big thing he has in his favor, and maybe it's covering up little things like this. I don't want to lynch him today. I don't really want to be not-townie on him, because of the nuke stuff. But it's a possibility, especially given the vote-steal wording and the oddness of where the vote is placed. austin this is kinda role speculation, but Corazon is play "king of hearts" and has said I think for ppl to sheep him, made a sheep picture. So it seems plausible that slOosh was compelled to 'sheep' corazon | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:23 austinmcc wrote: Happy birthday iamp. Cora. Stop for a second. (1) Are you stealing slOosh's vote? (2) If so, why? (3) Can you put yamato off for a day? This is an honest request. Whether he's scum or town or 3P or a dog sitting at the computer, it's unlikely we flip him today. If we ever flip him, you're making WAY too much out of what that would do. Him flipping scum doesn't make you magically town, because you could have just tunnelled a scumbuddy and tanked your cred this game, it's a very, very easy way to coast through a game. (4) Read Foolishness's post. Read his claim. Read his claimed actions. Do they sit well with you? Why/Why not? austin, I think you'll agree with me that Foolishness is both one of the most important and most controversial players in this entire game yes? Lots of suspicion on him, now he's made a stir, he was a favourite lynch candidate. Here is the entirety of Corazon's filter where he mentions Foolishness: On March 14 2013 05:37 cDgCorazon wrote: Missed his latest vote, now he's just sheeping on Foolishness now that discussion has gone away from me. Still is scummy. On March 14 2013 23:16 cDgCorazon wrote: It's obvious that Vivax, Foolishness, Sloosh (in a way), and I are the only ones using our brains this game and that we are mostly of the same alignment (or Vivax and Foolishness are scum just piggybacking on my argument), and that Acro, Yamato, and Mocsta are of the same alignment because they all get hard-ons for defending each other (Hint: they're all scum). Seriously. How can you avoid commenting on Foolishness that much? It's practically impossible. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:27 Dandel Ion wrote: He also doesn't want to talk about you much. I smell his fear. Precisely. This is exactly how another inexperienced mafia played in LVIII, thrawn. During the massive Palmar vs marvellosity battle, thrawn sidestepped the main issue and blabbed about other things. It's a mentality thing. Corazon just continues his tunnel that he's been on all game, but refuses to talk about the alignments of marvellosity and Foolishness. He doesn't know what to do. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:30 cDgCorazon wrote: Yamato is scum. Lynch me or not. Don't play these fucking games with me. If you think I'm scum, then lynch me. KISS. why have you completely avoided talking about Foolishness? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:34 yamato77 wrote: Marv, who is scum besides Foolish? You seem to be treating Vivax as if you think he's town, why? And for Cora, what aside from the association stuff makes you think he's mafia? What about Sloosh? Do you think his continued tunnel of me is town like? And Acro, what has he done so far this game but try and get us to lynch Corazon? I linked, just two pages ago, my post I made about Corazon's mentality. I also said quite a lot of things about him Day 1. Nothing changed in that regard. Talking about Foolish is NOT association stuff. A townie doesn't avoid big issues, that's the point. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Fuck it: ##Vote: cDgCorazon ##Sloosh's Vote: cDgCorazon I can't stand this anymore. why don't you just answer me on why you won't talk about FOolishness? It's an easy question. | ||
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Acro wants to kill Corazon which is good. The main thing I don't like about Acro is how he called Foolishness null for ages. So I don't know. slOosh is on the mafia side for me right now. He's purposefully twisting things. Again, like the post I made a few pages ago about how he wanted to lynch me first, I said I should be lynched first (theoretically) and he's like no! lynching yamato first is just as good! despite saying he thinks I should be lynched first. He specifically changed his stance in the space of 2 posts just to disagree with what I'd written. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:40 marvellosity wrote: Vivax is still Vivax!. Because he's fucking insane. He seems to be insane in an even more anti-town way than normal though. Acro wants to kill Corazon which is good. The main thing I don't like about Acro is how he called Foolishness null for ages. So I don't know. slOosh is on the mafia side for me right now. He's purposefully twisting things. Again, like the post I made a few pages ago about how he wanted to lynch me first, I said I should be lynched first (theoretically) and he's like no! lynching yamato first is just as good! despite saying he thinks I should be lynched first. He specifically changed his stance in the space of 2 posts just to disagree with what I'd written. EBWOP Vivax! | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote: Also don't answer to marv he aims to pull people into small-sized conversations picking at their latest posts instead of having them look at filters. LMAO. "Don't converse with people" you're a fucking treasure, Vivax | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:44 yamato77 wrote: I think Vivax is actually mafia, but I don't have time to make the case until after the deadline, and it'll be stronger with the Foolish flip. I basically agree with your Acro logic in total, so that's good. I want to talk more about Sloosh, though. Aside from playing contradictory to you, what else in his filter factors into your read on him? It's all kinda swaying around the middle. Tunnels yamato all day? bad. decides to come off the tunnel? good. Does a blatantly bad plan with nukes? Bad. Seems to explain it quite well? good. Really it's his most recent behaviour that's the most interesting. Like, why is he picking me up for saying "I'm more abrasive as town" instead of "I'm less abrasive as mafia"? They are quite evidently exactly the same thing. He's not stupid. | ||
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The doubts for me is your lack of activity at certain points. You excuse this with "I'm busy" but usually as town you MAKE the time to post. In fruity you were like "woops, i was lynched because i was at work and couldn't post" but that never seems to affect you when you're town. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I changed my mind, too lazy to change my vote if in fact its on Foolishness. Foolishness is town. K got past that? That means that Marv is scum, due to the very nice explanation and trap that foolishness did. Now what marv did after foolishness's post is nitpick on one specific part and never mention it again. DrH said in his mafia podcast(go listen its really nice). That as scum, you dont want to address a hugeass case point by point because then more slips of logic will happen and you are now very under pressure. Instead, marv picks a small portion, blasts it, then moves on. Now people dont really remember that and the focus is off marv and onto foolishness who cant defend himself/hammer marv cause he is not here. Then the thread goes to pieces, with marv hastening its destruction. With Foolishness town, this means that yamato is probably scum, as well as crossfire for reasons previously stated. lol you best have a good explanation for this one Oats. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:53 austinmcc wrote: ELI5? I think that the explanation and plan go hand in hand. It LOOKED bad, but given the explanation, may not have been (or was well-intentioned, something like that). I don't think you can quite separate them this much, and the whole nuke plan still just looks very townie. If he's scum, he gives nukes to townie people. Townie people nuke their scumreads. Those scumreads are getting nuked, quite possible that we don't lynch them (see supersoft not wanting to lynch Foolishness, see nobody wanting to lynch Kurumi D1 in bureaucracy). Day ends, we've lynched candidate #3 or #4 because 1 and 2 were getting nuked, the nukes don't go off, day is part-wasted and part spent working things out under false assumptions. None of that happened. Instead, scummy players got nukes, to see how they used them and how people reacted. I don't call that a blatantly bad plan. I call that a very good use of the power he was given. How do you view it as blatantly bad, even outside of the explanation given? We didn't get much information from it and wasting half a day because volatile or suspicious people are pretending to nuke various targets isn't helpful. As to your bold, we were lynching Foolishness today, because I went past the nuke shit. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:58 austinmcc wrote: I disagree on not getting much information. We got GOOD info on slOosh and on crossfire, at least from my point of view. I'll take using 1/4 of a day cycle to get info that pretty much convinces me about the alignments of 2 players, and pulls up some minor info elsewhere (we don't know yet everything that came out of that discussion, and we won't know until later). Do you think there was a better/townier thing to do with fake nukes? I don't know. If my role ONLY had fake nukes i'm not sure I'd use them at all because they're liable to cause chaos. My question I guess is whether that was all his role could do or if he chose to do that in particular. In addition I find his posting in this foolish/marv thing to be extremely subpar *shrug* Anyway I got half an hour lunch break now so I'm gonna try work on Foolish's post some. | ||
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On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: So why is yamato "the best kill"? More importantly, yamato is not acting like his town play and is pushing mafia agendas. His day vigi shot day 1 is an incredibly anti-town thing to do. Put yourself in that situation, would you day vigi someone day 1 as a town-aligned role? Hell no. We don't have specifics about his role, but if you had the ability to mod-confirm someone in the thread would you do it day 1? Hell no what a waste cause the mafia just shoots that person. The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1 (no matter what his role PM told him). This completely refuses to look at the scum-motivations for using it day 1, just the absence of supposed town-motivation. Kurumi is potentially a perfect person to announce as town as thread in day 1 and maybe make mafia waste a kill on him. Kurumi was a total liability - as town I fucking LOVE the idea that mafia might be shooting at a martrying Kurumi instead of VE, BC, me, supersoft... well almost anyone you like really. Foolish says there is no point in using the role day 1 as town. Well, what's the point as mafia? To get rid of a martrying liability for town, Kurumi? Is Foolishness arguing here that Kurumi was a positive town-force in the thread, and that town would be much better off with him around, continuously demanding votes and martrying himself? How is this even an argument? Mafia tend to hold their day-vig shots. Example is LX, where Chezinu waited until Day 2, to vig someone who was flying under the radar, but looked town, and more importantly was heavily pressuring mafia (Vivax). Vivax, the most impulsive player on TL Mafia, had a day-vig in Fruity Mafia but only used it on Day 2 to concede the game. Actually impulsive, rash shots are almost always the preserve of townies. Mattchew shooting 5 minutes into PYP: Redux. Some game long ago where VE got shot 15 minutes into the game. I'm sure there are other instances but generally speaking bad day-vig shots done in a bad manner are the preserve of townies, and not mafia. Foolishness has been around long enough to know all this, yet he's arguing otherwise. To reiterate, Foolish says "The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1" yet history shows completely the opposite, townies use their day vigis freely, and mafia are much more scared and prone not to using them recklessly. Mafia want to look as good as possible with their shots, they want to mitigate damage. Mafia has no motivation to vigi someone who is shitting up the thread on Day 1. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: As stated by a few people (including myself) yamato is playing completely different from his town game. In his town game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults (if he thinks you're an asshat, you are guaranteed to find out about it). And more importantly, he's always helpful when he's town. He says what he thinks and pushes his reads. This can be seen in Town Ain't Big Enough mafia. However in Fruity Mini mafia (when he's mafia), he sits back and let's the town do it's thing; he doesn't contribute. So overall yamato is not playing like he does when he's town. He's not helping us, and his day 1 vigi shot was incredibly anti-town. If he was town there was no reason for him to do what he did. In his town-game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults and we'd know about it? Let's see shall we? On March 11 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote: Holy fuck you guys wasted a ton of pages saying nothing. Is it sad that the best town player since I went to bed last night has been Oats? Also, everyone calling out Acro for voting Ver is ridiculous. That post was bad and he should feel bad. I feel like no one saying anything of any significance about VE and his idiocy at the start of the game is disturbing. Why did he react the way he did to me randomly calling him mafia? Why did he fall in line with Corazon to attack me for very little reason? VE acting weird to start the game. People aside from super have ignored him and I am annoyed by it. Bugs, if you're town, I suggest you quit the useless posting. It's fine to roleplay and all, but I want SOME sort of reads/hidden analysis in there. Right now it's just nonsense. On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. HE LITERALLY USES THE WORD ASSHAT THAT FOOLISH SAYS HE USES WHEN HE IS TOWN. On March 12 2013 02:56 yamato77 wrote: I was at work while I was doing the stuff with my role. It's in my filter, you lazy, scummy dumbasses. There's more in his filter, go look for yourselves. I think I've adequately described how what FOolishness is saying is complete bollocks. He IS doing the things that FOolish is saying he does as town, yet Foolish is calling him mafia. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: Also consider the fact that crossfire was in no danger of getting killed at the moment. If he was about to get lynched I can see sending out a nuke as a last ditch effort to survive or make something happen (hey I just kinda did it, though my motivation is way different). It was completely out of the blue, just as yamato's day vigi was completely out of the blue. I analyzed this guy day 1 but didn't come up with anything conclusive. On one hand he hadn't done anything to exhibit being mafia, but nothing striking to say he was for sure town either. With his nuke shot we now know where his agenda is and what side of the town he's on. The first paragraph he's using here is an argument that because Crossfire was in no danger of getting lynched, he'd purposefully put himself immensely in the spotlight as mafia by launching a nuke at Foolishness. This makes little to no sense. Further, slOosh's explanation of his role was that he made the PMs he sent sound like the receivers of the nukes HAD to use them or bad things would happen. So he was compelled to use the nuke. But Foolishness glosses over this completely. And to the "out of the blue" comment. Apart from what I just wrote, I will reiterate that town are usually impulsive and doing things out of the blue. Mafia sit back and blend in, townies have no fear. This is really basic mentality stuff that Foolishness fails to grasp, or rather is twisting in a ridiculous fashion to fit his narrative. Dandel Ion commented very well on the 2nd paragraph I quoted here. We should all be able to agree that Crossfire on Day 1 was playing quite far outside of his town meta. And yet he's calling it inconclusive. He then again uses the faulty nuke logic to call him mafia. No no no. Do you remember earlier in the game when supersoft said a good case provides pros and cons? Of course Foolishness fails to mention Crossfire's behaviour at the deadline, he also fails to mention how Crossfire behaved with his explanations about the nukes. Like austin (and others?) pointed out, he came across as genuine and sincere here, but of course this is missed out entirely. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: cDgCorazon I'm also confident is town because he's playing to his semi-trolly town meta as seen here. When he's mafia he's completely serious as seen here. Corazon. The only at all trolly thing that Corazon has done this game is to do his King Of Hearts thing, which is VERY EVIDENTLY part of his role. How is he using this as a comparison to past games? If we take out his role-related King of Hearts thing, Corazon is quite clearly playing very, in fact far too, seriously, which here Foolishness himself admits is how he plays mafia. I've talked about Corazon enough, but to remind you, his constant questions to town of "are you SURE there isn't someone scummier than me?", his blind tunnel on yamato, and his refusal to comment on Foolishness are all damning. To repeat, according to Foolishness' own analysis, Corazon IS playing a 'serious' game apart from his stupid role-related stuff. THere is literally no light-heartedness, he's cursing people, he's refusing to play, he's martrying, he's refusing to engage in conversation. This is fun, trolly, town Corazon according to Foolish? What a load of shit. The rest of his post is regarding me, which I will make in a separate post to expose more of this guy's nonsense. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:38 yamato77 wrote: Marv, I really don't want you to spend your limited time picking apart arguments from Foolishness. Get a grip, it's the most important thing to do in the thread. I'm exposing Foolishness, and you need to read the post to understand that. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:41 yamato77 wrote: I read the post already. I already know he lied about meta, I'm not an idiot. It's really not worthwhile to convince people you think he's mafia. Either they believe him or not, you won't change the minds of people like oats/vivax/corazon by refuting him point-by-point. yes, of course i will. I need to show the thread that everything Foolishness says is twisted. The point is everyone is going "oh wow that long post looks fucking awesome!" and I'm just picking it apart, lie by lie, bullshit by bullshit. The thread needs to see that making a massive post doesn't mean town. Now leave me alone. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Huh? One of my main points was that marv nitpicked the shit out of that post. Now he isnt, although it came after me 180ing. Keep going marv. Ok the only thing that feels off for me is that scum is going all in on this, if its who I think it is. So when foolishness flips town, they all die. Which isnt that great. So maybe they know that foolishness is town. And that he is unlynchable. I said last night I have to go watch Walking Dead with my partner, I also said when I came into the thread today that I would only be able to work on Foolish's post properly on my lunch break. Which I then did. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:44 yamato77 wrote: He's still the leading vote-getter by far, dude. You don't need to push his lynch, it's already happening. Why not talk about something else that is more useful? You've been on this Foolish bullshit all day basically. Give it a rest. fuck off, yamato. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:46 yamato77 wrote: It's not useful anymore to do what you're doing. You're not stupid, Marv. You can get mad at me or whatever, but I think you know he's dead in the water already. it is useful, because there's still a bunch of Foolishness fanboys, not all of which are mafia. Don't ever tell me how to play again, please. | ||
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In fact, you telling me off about posting it has spanned 20 posts as opposed to the one post I made. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Is there a situation that both Foolishness and Marv are town and that we need to look elsewhere? Like, YAMATO!!!! if you actually read my post, it should be pretty clear already that Foolishness isn't town | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote: You are wrong on occasion. I just dont think Fool is scum, and I dont think Marv is scum. You know I like you a lot, so in the nicest way possible - I'm much more likely to be right than you, and you know that. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:58 austinmcc wrote: I honestly think that there's less of a chance they're both town than there is of them both being mafia. As in, there's an outside chance both are mafia, and an outside outside outside outside chance they're both town. Each is spending a majority of his focus on the other. Makes it look less suspicious that neither is taking control over town in a bunch of aspects and directing things, because they're really just focused on this one guy, and when that one guy flips scum, ta da! All the effort worth it. More focus on a singular targets just helps duck a policy lynch later on, imo. You do realise that I wanted to lynch Corazon earlier in the day before Hiro prodded me back towards Foolish, right? | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:01 austinmcc wrote: majority of focus. Not all. Also a lot of your questioning Corazon, at least today, was entirely unproductive, and balancing out posting on foolishness with banging your head against a wall isn't really balance. Actually it's been productive from my point of view. His refusal to answer basic questions have been very revealing. | ||
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If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me. Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO. | ||
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You know that's untrue because of how crafted your miller claim was in Death Note. You know this is true because you're more impulsive as town yourself. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote: I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. this just means you're not very good dear. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote: this just means you're not very good dear. As an EBWOP to this it probably means that strongandbig is town. There was a game where s&b was mafia..... er..... Chrono Trigger? where s&b said he could read me quite easily early on. The fact he's saying the direct opposite now strongly indicates that this is a town s&b, much more paranoid about my alignment. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:11 HiroPro wrote: no you definitely can. that was the reason why i checked him in death note - he wasn't interested in what was going on at all. and then he was kira so that fucked it up -_- the endgame post there might still be my favourite thing in all of mafia. Along with the Shady/Mementoss death flavour that the hosts marvellously did at my command. | ||
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On November 22 2012 08:22 strongandbig wrote: oh also I forgot to answer this I liked his takedown of cave johnson I also think marv is way more egotistical as scum than he is as town, it's something about the "bwahahaha fools i'll kill you all" mentality. so the fact that he's not running for king of daventry makes me think he's probably town. Why do you ask about marv specifically? why ask me? On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote: holy shit this thread Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:25 strongandbig wrote: im saying impulsiveness depends more on the player than their alignment. No, townies are far more impulsive than mafia, and if you think otherwise you're just wrong. Citing drazerk does not help your argument here Foolishness is arguing that impulsiveness = mafiatrait, when that's simply incorrect. Especially in yamato's case, where he is far more impulsive as town, as can be verified reading through any of his games. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:25 strongandbig wrote: he doesn't "refuse" to account for them, he just doesn't account for them. it makes his case less persuasive than if he had found a way to explain those actions as coming from scum motivation. but the post wasn't a case on crossfire, it was a case on you, and the crossfire thing was almost an aside. Actually, this might be a tell as well - I just looked through all his town games for the past ~ two years and I can't find any where he's made a "big case post" that wasn't just focused on a single case about a single person. The closest he's come was a big "reads in case I die" post in like TL L. I assume that's because he knows that's how to best lead a town into agreeing with you on a lynch. However, as scum he has included secondary cases in his "big case post" in Parallel Worlds, for example. Yes, I noticed that too, but it didn't feel like a strong point to bring up. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:29 DarthPunk wrote: I don't know if it is just me but I don't understand the last part. Also if you could direct me to the reason behind your call to vote Yamato I would appreciate it. Hey qtpie, care to take an actual stand on Foolishness rather than the supporting cast? | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: This is the post I was talking about in the last part Actually fuck this. Too much in favor of foolishness being scum right now. Please explain your flippyfloppy Oats, I don't like it much. You've gone scum-town-scum with no reason whatsoever. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote: Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal? The case on Foolish as it stands is littered across all my posts, and Hiro's posts, in the thread. Foolish's main post is about page 131. My rebuttal to half of it is a few pages ago. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:44 Vivax wrote: Oats if Foolish speaks the truth about being unlynchable then scum doesn't care if it's no-lynch today but town will still be in the dark after this day without having accomplished anything. On the other hand they will have some more people to kill off tonight. Hint: Marv not dying + he has the excuse for it since Dandel keeps saying he will protect him. If I can give you a hint for posting: Don't fall victim to get yourself dragged too much into conversations (It's ok at times). Do your own thing, don't get pulled into longish conversations about single posts like marv and darth try to get you into. Go dive some filters, look at important moments during the game (lynch, nuke firing, night hits and their targets). I often ask quick series of questions too (when I shouldn't) , it's normal at times but there are a lot of people in this game who only lurk in the last page of the game and don't pull out stuff from earlier pages. Those are people like marv and Dandel. There have been a few times where the game has been properly readable cause people stick to writing long posts. Austin hardly ever spams, he's a fine poster. This as future guideline if you have comments a la "Oh well you did that too in this and this game" then keep them to yourself we look forward here when it comes to pushing useful play. lol. here's Cora accusing me of bringing things up from way earlier in the game: On March 12 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote: Why are you bringing this up almost 48 hours after the fact? If you wanted to call me out for it you should have then, not now. Yamato's normal town play is abrasive but purposeful. His play and reads this game has been all over the place. Many calls of scum, only a small percentage of them have been followed through with actual evidence. Way to go, Vivax! | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:48 supersoft wrote: on the road: Part 1 reads: yamato, acro, oats are town. this is my final stance on them. i am curious though, why vivax wents for acro after i called his filter interesting; because i didnt call it interesting because of scummieness. acro actually has some useful contributions, that convinced me that yamato must be town. acro himself is town, because he was flying successfully under every radar with useless play and shaped up immensly without any pressure. my read on oats bases on page 0-130. his latest flipflopping however only shows his interest in lynching properly. therefor it's still accurate! thank you, i like this perspective, it helps me. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:12 risk.nuke wrote: Sloosh's role and they way he used it (while dumb and mostly chaotic) is both a townrole and he used it in a way that provided the town with information. Pretty certain he is town. Acrofales firsts posts are scummy. His later post gets better and he appears to be scumhunting but not strictly in a way that's hard for mafia to do, I don't have enough information to determine if it's legitimate yet. I don't want to lynch him yet. I think in time he will prove himself town or get caught. what do you make of slOosh's interactions with me around the time of foolishness' post and its aftermath? | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote: Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. Why would I look hard into Acrofales when there are more pressing matters at hand? Why are you castigating me about Acro when confirmed town supersoft is calling him town? What's the use in it? Are you going to call supersoft mafia now for calling Acrofales town with his final answer? | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:17 slOosh wrote: This is BS - you can make that argument for any vet. In fact, marv is a good enough scum player to know that him lasting till endgame is not necessary. Even if he gets lynched tomorrow after Foolishness flips town, he will have done his job, and 3KP goes through tonight. austin made the very specific point that I could be concentrating on Foolish to avoid a policy lynch later. That was me welcoming a policy lynch. And you're accusing me of twisting, slOosh? | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:29 risk.nuke wrote: This thread already have one lazy poster. Do it to humor us. I've already mentioned - the scummiest thing that Acro did in my opinion is call Foolishness null for far too long. In addition, his early contributions were lacking, but that's partly at least because he was out of town at the weekend. Currently Acrofales is attacking Corazon hard, and with good reasons - i fully agree that Corazon is mafia. Worrying about a player who is attacking one of my two strongest scumreads is not a priority in the slightest. | ||
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The two reasons are much the same; Acrofales simply is not a concern today. I admit I could have been more forthcoming in the first post. | ||
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I pursued Oats and prplhz like dogs Day 1 of LIX, and then I pursued only Oats day 2 until your check, and then Chez/BKE day 3. Only towards the end of the game did I start spreading my net because I wasn't quite sure who the last mafia was for a while. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:41 slOosh wrote: Ok. Let's not lynch Foolishness. If he is alive at LYLO we can lynch him. That's the logic in that statement which I called out BS. You continue to point out and inflate minor points as an excuse to ignore the major pertinent ones. Marv, if I had a gun right now I would shoot you. Either: 2) my reads are woefully wrong (potential) 3) you are scum Why does marv keep dodging? Why does he cherry pick at small things and inflate them? Why doesn't he address the main points and accusations? Cuz he scum. I addressed practically every point Foolish made that wasn't against me earlier. How is that dodging? As promised earlier, I will answer the rest of it when I get off work. What's the problem here, bish? | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote: My thing is that if Marv and Foolish are both mafia, they have successfully made it nearly impossible to find their true scumbuddies today, and perhaps for a long while after this considering the state of the thread. I don't want town just sheeping Marv. While I think he's right about all this, the way he's going about it is a little odd in my opinion. It could just be me, and I am known to be extremely paranoid, but something feels off about this lynch, even though I am fairly confident in Foolishness being mafia. I'll tell you how you find mafia in the mess - you look at people reluctant to take a stand, people who stay out of the limelight, people who won't discuss the main issue. People like Corazon. There will be others like him too. | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:54 yamato77 wrote: If Foolishness is actually unlynchable then I am even more certain he is mafia. It also makes Marv look 100000000000000000x worse. You're having a logic breakdown here. I look 1000000000000x worse because I pursue a mafia-read and he ends up being unlynchable? Assume I'm town - how do I have control over that? | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:57 supersoft wrote: bullshit. I need to find a way to stay alive, to prevent you from making assumptions like that. the fact he's making terrible assumptions like that still probably mean he's town, though. | ||
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On March 15 2013 03:02 Vivax wrote: So your only read aside from Foolish is me but I'm not your scumread cause I play like I would play as town? You just mention a few OMGUS arguments cause I agree with others who want to lynch you? Remember the D1 bandwagon? 2 of those on that bandwagon were town and are now dead there might be a reason no? Bear in mind neither VE nor supersoft were on yamato at the end of the day. | ||
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On March 15 2013 05:53 Acrofales wrote: Xfire fired a nuke at Foolish. Xfire didn't know the nuke was fake (unless Xfire, Sloosh and Foolish are all scum together and this was a GIANT TRAP). Therefore, if Foolish is scum, and Xfire is scum, then Xfire fired a nuke at his scumbuddy... out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. Not a likely scenario. Yes, it's pretty obvious, the most interesting thing about it is that Stutters couldn't work out this logic for himself. It's not a leap... is Stutters just not reading? Crossfire's filter isn't very long to miss ##Nuke Foolishness | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + So, let's have a look at Foolish's read on me. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: I was suspicious of him day 1 because he failed to do anything for the town. He's spammy, he clutters everything up, and he's not being productive. He's not getting the town organized, and that's the major problem. Now you might say, "well he always does that!", to which I quickly respond, no he does not. The most obvious example is when he smurfed as Fivetouch here. At a quick glance you can see how much he tried that game. He writes post detailing his thoughts. He doesn't derail the thread, he organizes the town. He does everything he should once he becomes mayor, and he wins the game for it. He hasn't done anything this game, look at his filter! One liners, one liners, one liners. So Foolishness says I'm not getting town organised. This is despite VisceraEyes saying I'm carrying the game for town (don't mind the if he's scum bit ;D) On March 13 2013 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote: marv is carrying this game for town, and if he's scum you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Well, there's a divergance already. Now read the line I've bolded carefully. Foolishness isn't even claiming that as town I *always* get town organised a la FiveTouch, he's saying *sometimes* I do this. What he neglects to mention is that I've often had directionless Day 1s in the past. Many times in fact. LVIII being a good, reasonably recent example. He hasn't done anything this game, look at his filter! One liners, one liners, one liners. What of this? I often spam as town. All my longest filters with the most spam come from my town games. ALL OF THEM. All my least spammy filters are from when I am mafia. So why is he using this as an argument against me? It's intellectually dishonest, and if Foolishness had truly looked at my past games, he would know that. I spam far more one liners as town than I do as mafia, that's simply basic fact. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: Here are his filters to the game's where he's town: here and here and here. I like to use the last one (Bureaucracy mafia) cause I thought he did well for himself that game. What is clear from these posts? He accurately posts his reads and make judgments about the players alignment (and they are mostly all correct as well). If you look through his other filters you notice posts similar to these. These posts are made by him and virtually say "these 3 people are mafia, here's why". And they are good. He's right most of the time and his content is clear. He makes a huge effort. Fivetouch he also made an effort, just an even bigger one. Now look through his filter this game and you see that it's all absent. He doesn't have these posts. All his posts are effortless. He is posting pictures and nonsensical one-liners calling people fucktards. And I even asked him to make a nice post but he refused. What townie would refuse to make a case on someone he thinks is mafia (unless he had a clear plan)? He's not organizing the town and he's not putting in an effort. On a side note, I find marvellosity to be less abrasive when he's town than he's mafia. This is the wherebugsgo mentality as I stated above. When these guys are mafia they are trololol all over the place, posting pictures and calling people stupid. But come time they roll town they put ithe best killn the effort, do the analysis and read the filters, make long posts, and win games. The absolutely worst thing about any of this is that he decides to use Bureaucracy as a comparison for my play. This is terrible for several reasons. I had been playing the game for only 4 months at that stage. Regardless of anything else, it's fairly clear that my style will have changed as I've grown and played more games. That game is literally 15-20 town games ago for me. Further to this and related, this was my first big game with all the 'big names' - foolish, sandroba, syllogism, palmar, MZ, BC, bugs, VE and probably others I forgot. Wow! I was somewhat overawed, indeed in my filter for that game there is a period of the game where I go quiet because Foolishness called me mafia, that's how much that game affected me. I'm quite clearly not that same scared kid anymore (for good or bad ;o). Foolishness is taking a game from a long time ago which has little to no bearing on how I play now. It's stupid. What else does he say? I'm posting one-liners and calling people fucktards? Been over the one-liners thing. And I'm way, way, way more likely to call people fucktards as town than as mafia. Anyone who's played with me even a little knows this to be true. Tied into this is how Foolish says I'm less abrasive as town than as mafia. This is simply completely false. Everyone knows this is false. From where I made Acro and Dandel rage in MTG 2, to where I ragequit in LVIII, to where I told town they were all bad in Mad Men and called my mafia target a snivelling little bitch, to Rock Band where I repeatedly called Palmar awful because he was mafia. I'm far more likely to lose the plot and be aggressive as town. This is a basic fact which, if he'd looked at my meta, is easily verifiable. In short, all his arguments here are basically completely untrue, and easily verifiable as untrue. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: So what of this trap you set for him? As I said before, in the past 3 games I was mafia and called him mafia (even though he was town). So I decided to play on that to get him to react to my posts. Now I wanted to do the same thing this game but slightly different. My idea was, if I called him out on being mafia would he accuse me back? Probably yes, no matter what role he was. So what I needed to do was tweak the scenario to see if it differentiated from his normal town play. So first let's look at how exactly marvellosity responded to my accusations in these past 3 games where I was mafia. In Bureaucracy he played it very cool and posted only this initially: + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote: yeah mainly i'm just gonna lurk now if i don't get modkilled Foolishness is bad if he thinks i'm scum He only questions my motives and never hard attacks me. If you look through his filter (just ctrl+F my name for clarification) you see he's suspicious but doesn't hard push me until later when he's certain: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2012 19:37 marvellosity wrote: Fuckity crap crap I get convinced to change my vote to a consolidation wagon and then at deadline if I'd just left my vote where it was before bed we would have had a lynch >.< Foolishness needs to die. The idea he's admonishing other people for what happened is laughable considering he did less than nothing to help. Well done him. "everyone's vote was wasted because there was a no lynch" - what kind of bs argument is that for the fact that he was one of the primary reasons town didn't secure a lynch? Stupid deadline. Game is partially ruined because like a third of the people playing can't be awake at 5 or 6 in the morning to move their vote around. And you'll see this is about all he does. No spam or one-liners or memes about me, just suspicion until he's certain I'm mafia when he pushes. In TL Mafia LVIII he again plays it cool and only really brings me up when necessary. This is about his only post responding to me: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 10:12 marvellosity wrote: Actually you're right for the first, but it's not quite what you think, and I don't mind explaining it a little. I was quite looking forward to this game because I felt there was a pretty decent chance I was going to be able to play town with at least 1 of Palmar or Foolishness. I've played with Fool twice only and he rolled scum, unfortunately, in both. Palmar I've played with a bunch of times, but so far always with the opposite alignment. Then after that Palmar has basically trolled most of the game (at least, playing nothing like his last few town games where I was either hosting or scum) and Foolishness is doing even worse than this. So yes, I've been disappointed with the game so far. A few times later in the game he says he'll gladly lynch me, but never pushed me hard or spams one-liners or posts memes. And now I will observe how he called me out in parallel worlds: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2012 07:48 marvellosity wrote: Hi there. I'd made 2 small posts at the beginning of the thread when you called me scum Now you're a pretty clever boy and you know that's not alignment indicative. I start every game ever in the universe like this. And no, you're stupid accusation didn't panic me. You lost your aura back in Bureaucracy when you were so trivial to catch as scum. How could I divert the attention when there was nothing to divert it from? Oh look, marv asked why Clarity was in both worlds and said hi, he must be scum! Give me a break. My accusation of you (shallow as it may seem) had more depth and interest than your accusation of me. If you're genuinely town then you should know the posts I made at the beginning of the game are in no way alignment indicative, so I can only presume what you were doing was some sort of play to get people talking? Whatever it was, it was bad. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2012 09:18 marvellosity wrote: so it's ok that I made 2 posts that were totally null and unalignment indicative, and it's not ok I called you out for your bullshit? From what I know/have heard of your town games, you usually take a more observing role Day 1 and then bust out your awesome reads come Day 2. Is this an unfair characterisation? If not, where does randomly calling me scum for something you should know very well isn't scummy come from? Again he just plays it cool and calls me out on my bullshit. But he doesn't hard press the issue until later in the game when he's sure I'm mafia. Here Foolishness cites Bureaucracy, LVIII, and Parallels. I'm happy to break them down. In the very quote that Foolishness has provided here is the proof of my feelings of meek awe that I was alluding to earlier. Hadn't even realised, but it's very conveninent. I said I'm just going to lurk now. I was a babyface and I was thrown for 6 by being called mafia. I explain that later in my Bureaucracy filter if you want to take a look. Now, LVIII. He only voted for me to save BC. He didn't even call me mafia, this one is literally totally irrelevant. Also as I should have noted earlier, Foolishness was in LVIII, this game where I was 'useless' Day 1, spammed at town, and ragequit after being emotional and calling people fucktards. And yet somehow he doesn't include this in his earlier meta analysis of me. This is one of the strongest points that I've only just realised as I'm writing this! Finally, Parallels. I was 3rd party in Parallels, and it's pretty apparent from my filter there that I'm quite laid back and don't give much of a shit what's going on, as my only wincon is survival for 5 cycles. But I called him mafia originally and I never dropped that read, but that's really quite irrelevant. So the only game where Foolish was mafia and outright called me mafia when I was town was Bureaucracy, and I've already talked about the Bureaucracy mentality. All of this already makes Foolish's 'plan' this game look very stupid indeed. This is where it gets really fun. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: So what was my plan? To subtly call out marvellosity to see if he reacts the same way or not. I wanted to see whether he followed the "hmm well, he's certainly wrong, but is he misguided or is he mafia pushing an agenda? Let's analyze his play and figure it out" line of thinking or not. My idea was that if he is mafia, he would react by jumping the gun and immediately accusing me and trying to get me lynched based off our past history, instead of just shrugging it off and taking time to analyze it as the days went on (which he does when he's town). I had to think long and hard how to write my first post about him. Take a look at what I originally say about him in this game: What did I do here? I said I thought he was mafia but I clearly doubted myself (and even tossed in the nice VE metaphor as well). I did not vote for him (like I did in the past). I did not definitively say that he should die (like I did in the past). In essence, I said he was suspicious but played it off as it wasn't a big deal. Then when he brought up that I always did it in the past I lied and told him that one game we were both town too. In actuality this was an honest mistake on my part, I was reading the game where he was Fivetouch and helping townies. I actually thought he might have been mafia on day 1 and into night 1 (you can ask sandroba or wherebugsgo as proof as I talked to them about it during the game). And hence I admitted my mistake, but I decided to outright admit to lying to see if he reacted to it: Ok, there's two things here. First of all, Foolishness is still admitting lying. This is still kinda important. He tries to explain it away as an honest mistake. First of all, this rests on assumption that we can't prove - that Foolishness found me mafia in LIX according to two people not playing the game. So we can throw that out. It also rests on the idea that Foolishness, one of the great town-players in TL Mafia history, found that I could be mafia into night 1, where I had been elected mayor and lynched mafia. Do you really believe this? I don't. More importantly is the wording of the first post. but I call him scum every game and I'm always wrong EVERY GAME. This is just entirely dishonest. Even *one* single game rests on the idea that he genuinely found me scum in LIX, which I dispute - especially as he decided to keep trying to use this game to meta me as my ideal town game. But *every game*? This very clearly means it happens repeatedly. It has not happened repeatedly, and it's arguable that it even happened once. What did Foolishness expect out of a town-marv when he used layers of dishonesty to call me mafia? Me to go "aww ok babycakes, you can lie repeatedly and that's ok". How could he possibly even expect that reaction? In fact, if you look at my initial reaction, it WAS calm: On March 12 2013 10:35 marvellosity wrote: that's because you've been mafia in every game we've played together, dear. infallible tell so far. do carry on down this road, though. It was only when he subsequently carried on his nonsense that I became convinced of him. But despite this, if he used my meta he'd know I'm hot-headed. In Rock Band, as soon as Palmar called me mafia, I told him he was absolutely awful and voted for him immediately. If he'd looked at my meta, he would have found this. Now in this instance, when I know he's outright lying to me, what reaction does he 'expect' from this masterplan than me to immediately think he's mafia? Once again, the reaction of a confirmed town in VE: On March 13 2013 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote: His agenda of insinuating that he "always reads marv wrong" when he's never ever had to read marv ever. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: Now I don't see what's so bad about me saying this. I actually made a mistake and am correcting myself, he was right. But he flips his shit about it. I don't bring up marvellosity or this topic for a long while and he starts posting stuff like this: Er yes, sorry Foolishness, this is just a statement of fact. When I know someone's lied to me, damn right I'm going to bring it up. Perhaps I'm supposed to forget it... ? On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: I shouldn't need to tell you that since then his posts have consisted of "lynch foolish he's mafia" without any substance. Why is this important? He didn't react like he did when he was town. He didn't stop to think about my actions, he just started gunning for me. That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't he just play it cool like in the past and wait a day or two to hammer me once the evidence had solidified? The only reason to gun for me immediately is to push mafia agenda. I did wait a day. Otherwise I would have pushed to lynch you on the spot. Did I do that? No, I did not. I looked for other targets to lynch one. In fact quite clearly I did not immediately try to get you lynched for it. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: This may be a bit WIFOM, but it makes perfect sense why I didn't die night 1 if he's mafia. Imagine marvellosity making the post in the quicktopic: "foolishness is no threat guys, I can hammer him hard the entire game like I did in the past, let's kill other important players like BC and VE and supersoft". And that's what he does and that's all he does. Where is his contribution? He hasn't made a case against me. He brings up awful arguments. He quotes numbers and statistics and say it means something when they don't. He spams up the thread with memes about the things I say. He's not helping the town, he's derailing it. It's getting really desperate now. "This may be a bit WIFOM" - you don't say, Foolish? It's more than a bit WIFOM, you're just making shit up to fit your story that I've amply destroyed already. Then more sensationalist stuff about awful arguments and quoting statistics that don't mean everything. The fact Foolish has never been lynched as town is an excellent statistic, as it amply demonstrates that Foolishness literally never fails at demonstrating that he's town. Never. And yet he failed to do so this game. This isn't irrelevant, it's a broad brush meta point on how good Foolish is at establishing his innocence. The fact he's dismissing it is stupid. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: That was rather long, can you summarize that? I set a trap for marvellosity to see if he would act like he normally does when he's town. He didn't. This further shows that his actions to get me lynched pushes a mafia agenda by derailing the thread and keeping the town from getting organized. His tunneling me is not how he plays when he's town, and if he was town there was very little reason for him to take this course of action, especially since I never originally voted for him, or hard called him out. (In fact, I never said I was sold on him being mafia until day 2, and never said anything about him in between my first post and then). That's a lot of emphasis just to set a trap. How do you know it actually means something? He could just be conceited and acting this way because that's how he is. That's a true statement, however his actions are not congruent with his normal town play outside of this. Furthermore he's derailing the town and not helping to organize it. On it's own, no the trap doesn't mean anything. But all of the evidence combined together is what makes it solid, and why it is proof to him being mafia. In short, all of this is basically completely untrue and I've demonstrated as much. Tunnelling is very much how I can play as town, but even if it weren't, the fact is that I was going for Corazon until HiroPro pulled me back towards Foolishness. He says my actions are not congruent with my normal town play, but they simple are, and he'd know as much if he checked my meta properly, but he hasn't, not in the slightest. Everything he says is a lie or cherrypicked. His elaborate 'trap' is simply a post-facto explanation for his major fuckups earlier in the thread. It reads kinda pretty but it's simply a cover for the fact he slipped. The very fact that Foolishness is expecting a different reaction from town-marv when it's pretty apparent he lied and deceived is astonishing. So astonishing in fact it can't be true. This is all quite apart from the other facets of Foolish's play that indicate him being mafia. - his uninvolvedness - a bad throwaway read on Vivax - his clear demonstration that he is not reading the thread, e.g. the nuke business - his very convenient roleclaims. austinmcc has said a lot on this and he's said it very well indeed. Claiming unlynchable is very convenient, isn't it? prplhz has a power where he can be unlynchable once if he decides a day in advance, and yet Foolishness is simply unlynchable? No thanks. austin also talks about how he tries to use these other things like this supposedly dud shot on yamato (also incredibly convenient) to prove his townieness. It's all just so much nonsense. - his reads are poor or have inconsistencies. Nullish on crossfire earlier? no. yamato mafia? I've destroyed that case. me mafia? I've destroyed that case too. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:45 Foolishness wrote: Don't have time to read the thread right now. You wanna summarize you can, but I don't think you ever have anything important to say. Read these two posts. They are all you need. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=147#2940 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=156#3120 | ||
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Ask him about why I'm town, there's nothing I can say to convince you. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:48 Foolishness wrote: I make it a point not to read your posts. Does someone who is town want to tell me what's up? They are extremely well written pieces of analysis that break down your post. You would do well to read them. | ||
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I also made that effort by writing those two posts. Two posts which contain lengthy analysis that you claim I lack as mafia and have as town. | ||
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If he's telling the truth, 2 or 3 of us who are around at deadline can switch to Corazon. foolishness is overwhelmingly in the lead so there is no danger in doing this. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:56 Vivax wrote: Marv where did that interesting crossfire scumread of yours go? You're not known for dropping scumreads so easily. Crossfire shot Foolish. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:57 Vivax wrote: Foolish didn't shoot you. Duh. Why are you equating a negative with a positive? That's silly. | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:01 yamato77 wrote: Also, I just found out information about my role that I have had since the start of the game. BULLSHIT I'm inclined to agree, although I'm trying to play nice now. There *should* be two options 1) everything is spelt out in the role PM 2) there is a hidden part of the role that kita wouldn't tell him anyway If he's genuinely unlynchable, I find it almost impossible that it wouldn't be included in the role PM what would happen if he was actually lynched. | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:09 HiroPro wrote: hm, looking back at personality 1, the Fishball traitor role is such that if they get lynched another person gets lynched for them instead. the thing is, it can't just be permanently unlynchable. I refuse to believe that. Like in that fishball thing, BC is lynched in his place, but if he's dead he's lynched. So effectively fishball is unlynchable either 1 or 0 times. prplhz is unlynchable once, if announced in advanced. But simply unlynchable? | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:18 FiveTouch wrote: I agree. And given these two facts 1) I am convinced Corazon is mafia 2) Foolish is convinced he's town then making Corazon have second most votes makes perfect sense. Poop! Sorry. For filter. | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:25 Vivax wrote: Is convincing supersoft enough to lynch you? I'm just curious why, when there is a confirmed, strong town running around the place who has a townread on me, you wouldn't discuss with him why this is the case? You literally know that his intentions are pure, and he is good, and he thinks I'm town - why wouldn't you talk to him about that? | ||
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Corazon is currently controlling two votes, and he's placed them both on himself. If Foolishness is telling the truth and he has a one-time shot at not being lynched (I am assuming it would only be one time, the game would be broken otherwise), we need about FOUR votes on Corazon, apart from his own and slOosh's, to prevent him moving both votes to someone else with 1 vote. | ||
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On March 15 2013 09:34 Foolishness wrote: Announcement marvellosity is misleading you all and Corazon is town! And sorry bro, it's not one-time, you'll have to stack some hits to get rid of me tonight. I'm kinda tempted to believe that you're telling the truth and that the 2nd placed player does get lynched; which makes it all the more important for you right now that Corazon doesn't die and expose you even further. I'm glad you came in to have a sarcastic pop at me rather than read the posts that I politely gave to you, though, that warms my heart. | ||
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On March 15 2013 09:41 Foolishness wrote: Vote for yamato and get a for sure mafia killed. Would you ever day vigi someone day 1 if you were town? Nope. It's that simple. People have many times in the past, and you know this. Just one example - Mattchew in PYP:Redux. | ||
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On March 15 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote: People have many times in the past, and you know this. Just one example - Mattchew in PYP:Redux. An even better example than this is Kurumi, a townie, nuking RoL in Bureaucracy. On Day 1. In a game that you were in. Just saying. | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:03 Vivax wrote: Also I shouldn't write so fast. Marv, why do you want to discuss with me if someone shooting a townie D1 is alignment indicative or not. What matters is that yamato shot a townie over his scumreads and changed his decision in the arc of 13 minutes. It's not the what, it's the how + tons of other evidence about yamato. No, that wasn't my question. I'm asking you why YOU think Foolishness said townies never day vig day 1, when he knows from his own personal experience that they do. What do you think? | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Lol you read on me is absolute shit. You'll find out soon enough. ok babe. So what do you think of Foolishness? | ||
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I will do the same and one or two other people should too. ##Unvote ##Vote: cDgCorazon | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:38 iamperfection wrote: why is cor so sure he is going to die? voteswitch please iamp | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:39 prplhz wrote: what makes you so sure that vivax is mafia marv? he's getting on everybody's nerves and my vote was fixed on him. I'll tell you post-flip, right now I just want to make sure this lynch is organised correctly. | ||
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then your vote is perfect for the job <3 | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:43 austinmcc wrote: I don't think you should swing too many votes. If nothing else, GreYMisT said after themed that he liked that plaguemaster role that spread a disease nullifying votes on someone. We shouldn't CREATE shenanigans in order to try and block shenanigans. Like, the only person saying something might be up with the votes is Foolishness himself, who does not appear to have been truthful earlier and who is kinda, you know, scum. There's currently a 7 vote buffer I think. I'm really not worried. | ||
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Well if I can understand, mafia can understand. Prome wants to roleblock whichever of Cora/Fool survives. | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote: i......... agree...................................................with... this........................ LOL I know right? | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:07 prplhz wrote: marv what is vivax and why wanna wait to see what he has to say about the flip first. tomorrow bro. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:12 Acrofales wrote: Okay. So this is a bit of a mindfuck. Does scum really have lynch-immunity? Maybe tomorrow we test the HRM method for killing Drazerk? Minority of votes on him? no, tomorrow Foolish leads the lynch again. I can't believe it's more than a one-time thing. That is if he hasn't been "dealt with" overnight. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:19 austinmcc wrote: I'll take Things We Can't Be Sure Of for 600. Might still be scum on there. If nothing else, cora just tunneled yamato and anyone who defended yamato all game. Perhaps a ploy to make yammypants look good, or to hide a buddy in all cora's stuff. no. yam obviously town now. | ||
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On March 15 2013 12:25 austinmcc wrote: Yamato the strongest town off that list, I don't think they pull that action. But "everyone scum suspects = town" ain't exactly a good rule to follow. that's not it, us 3 were the hardest pushers of corazon. constantly push mafia = likely town isn't too bad a rule | ||
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On March 15 2013 13:30 Foolishness wrote: k so I read marvellosity's response. This is all I have to say *facepalm* I guess to be more specific you haven't proven yourself to be pro town. You didn't respond to my arguments, you instead just called me out on my posts. That wasn't a defense, that was a "you're a liar so whatever". You use some arguments like "I had only been playing mafia for 4 months so that doesn't really count" when in fact it does. You say that VE says your the most pro town as evident that your pro town. That's not evidence that your pro town. I'm just going to stop reading your posts now, not worth my time. you're terrible. but i'm glad you've shown yourself up. want to talk to me about why you were so adamant Corazon was town when he was so clearly mafia? Want to discuss that awful, totally shit read of yours with me? No, didn't think so. Embarrassing. | ||
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On March 15 2013 15:08 slOosh wrote: I'm here - just totally lost on how to proceed because it seems like all my reads are in the wrong places. But yea, here to talk nevertheless. Just need direction that's all. I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness, but his followup actions inspire no confidence, as does his nonchalant explanation of his role. Seems weird that they would choose to reveal the nature of their roles clearly - I haven't checked the votes but cora could have easily left his votes on yamato, and assuming he is town would have gotten him lynched and kept 3KP for scum this night. Uhh ... but yea that's WIFOM, which doesn't hold up to Foolishness' actions themselves indicating he is scum. Also his ability reminded me of this post. The point of the Nukes was to help get reads on difficult to read people (from my perspective). I went through multiple iterations of deciding the group, and I chose to give Vivax, Foolishness, risk.nuke and crossfire99 the nukes because they were people I wanted a better read on. I forgo talking about nukes later on because it's not nearly as clear cut as straight up behavioral analysis that occured (and thread moves way too fast for me so I don't always follow up on stuff) Three things here. 1) The last time I remember slOosh making constant excuses about being absent and not having time was Dwarf fortress, where slOosh was mafia 2) given slOosh was so eager to talk about "the nukers", it seems almost impossible that he wouldn't want to talk about the non-nuker too. 3) This is the worst - "I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness". Let's be clear here. slOosh came in to the thread yesterday, ranting like a prize buffoon, accusing me of this that and the other, saying I'd not done this or that, and this came after my first large response to Foolishness. This is unassailable proof that slOosh is throwing down his vote without actually reading the thread, without reading what i have to say. I should say, slOosh (not so confident to use the bold fond on him.... yet.) | ||
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On March 15 2013 21:12 Acrofales wrote: This is actually a really good point. Why on earth would a Foolishness/Cora scumteam play like this? They could have used Foolishness' power so easily to kill off a townie (Cora could have moved his votes to Yamato or even me without anybody thinking twice about it), but because Foolishness exposed the way his power worked, we took precautions and got Cora lynched. This seems like such a stupid move from scum, that I doubt Foolishness is in a scumteam with Cora. risk.nuke brings up 3P. I guess that's a possibility. But what evidence for a 3P do we have? Unlynchable survivor seems ridiculous... and the KP from last night seems to be just scum, so no evidence for an SK (it's possible there was a doublestack or a save). So what wincon does the 3P have? So... Foolishness town? :O Also, regarding medic saves: are there hit notifications this game? It's this kind of post that incensed me in the Duel Mafia ObsQT. Fuck me, Acro. | ||
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On March 15 2013 21:36 Acrofales wrote: Why? Where is my reasoning wrong? How the hell does a scumteam throw away a free lynch on a townie? Both Cora and Foolishness were already the top 2 scumspects, so it's not as if someone unsuspected would be claiming scum by doing this. If Foolishness had kept quiet they could probably have gotten a townie lynched, pretty much for free. Why not do that? So Foolishness, the townie, has ALL his mafia reads wrong (probably), and not only so, outright, and blatantly, lied about me, about yamato, and about Corazon. Just outright, blatant untruths. This is impossible for a town Foolishness. Given he already made a whole host of errors this game, I'm not ruling him doing anything stupid out. He's simply not very good. | ||
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On March 15 2013 21:58 prplhz wrote: marv what's your opinion of vivax I think he's mafia. This is his opinion on supersoft. He obviously likes him a lot: On March 13 2013 23:05 Vivax wrote: Didn't see marv got opposite checks back when I said I would want to lynch them. We should probably follow supersoft's advice though and wait how Foolish's action resolves while deciding over other candidates. Prplhz is also an awesome candidate for lynch. On March 14 2013 01:06 Vivax wrote: Supersoft actually gets worked up over something reasonable. No reason to keep this marv alive though On March 14 2013 01:25 Vivax wrote: That said for advice on how to support me into playing properly this game consult supersoft and Mocsta and some others who ask questions and get them without talking shit. On March 15 2013 03:46 Vivax wrote: This made me go awwww. But actually I'm just surprised you're not calling me insane but special lol (cause I'm not until I reach a computer and start playing mafia). And yet, he won't listen to him at all. He won't even ENGAGE him in conversation on his townread on me. This is beyond insane Vivax. This is a mafia Vivax, not listening to a confirmed town supersoft who he likes, refusing to engage in conversation with him about me. Vivax didn't even ask supersoft WHY he found me town. He literally didn't care! Now post-flip Vivax's opinions suddenly flip-flop around totally and completely. It's totally manufactured. Vivax. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote: As in the reason I see in the supersoft thing, is that he thought that foolishness was town. Which has been the case throughout his whole filter. Like if foolishness flips scum, ALL his reads are wrong and such. Isnt that a bit too much for scum? Nope. If Fool and Vivax are mafia together, I imagine Fool told Vivax just to be completely insane. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote: As in the reason I see in the supersoft thing, is that he thought that foolishness was town. Which has been the case throughout his whole filter. Like if foolishness flips scum, ALL his reads are wrong and such. Isnt that a bit too much for scum? Bear in mind as well, supersoft had Foolish down as confirmed mafia. Wouldn't talk to him about that either. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:23 Vivax wrote: I do. I'm just not easily influenced by others just cause of what I think of them and prefer pushing my own thoughts. My whole personality as town is basically anti-sheep except for rare occasions (I like the prospect of being right when everyone else was wrong lol) So I think you mentioning me not getting influenced by supersoft isn't a good reason to claim I'm scum. As for my reads, I am too afraid as scum to end up on the wrong wagon/side usually. They were wrong mostly cause I started from the scum yamato town Foolish premise (I still can't believe yamato could be town tbh) and then made connections from that point on. However don't let me stop you rallying people for my lynch. There's a big difference between not being easily influenced and totally refusing to engage at all. Preferably if town has more than one KP you'll be shot at night after Foolishness is dealt with. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:26 Vivax wrote: Evidence for the second point is LX where I gave Prom a null read with a point making me doubt he's scum and then giving up on defending him so easily when it was clear he was going to be lynched. When Chezinu shot Milkman I basically went sheep mode with town cause I knew BH had gotten back some sort of check. You also say you change your meta every game. This entire argument you're making is totally invalid because of this. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:30 Vivax wrote: It's not me who you gotta persuade that I'm scum, marv. It is useful to demonstrate, however, that you try to use your meta to defend yourself when you specifically say you change your meta every game. That's worth other people seeing. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:37 Vivax wrote: Your case is built up on me not following supersoft when I had other reads than him just cause I commented positively on other things. ... ... ... Problem? Is now every guy scum who agrees with someone on some points but doesn't follow him in his reads? Nope, that's not what I said. What I said was a complete refusal to engage at all. I don't mind you disagreeing with his reads. I don't mind you being wrong, Vivax. I expect you to be eternally wrong. What I do mind is you not trying, even one little bit, to understand where supersoft was coming from. | ||
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On March 15 2013 22:51 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote: Nope, that's not what I said. What I said was a complete refusal to engage at all. I don't mind you disagreeing with his reads. I don't mind you being wrong, Vivax. I expect you to be eternally wrong. What I do mind is you not trying, even one little bit, to understand where supersoft was coming from. Still doesn't make me scum. Every other post not spent figuring out where supersoft came from was a post trying to figure out things on my own. This is an awful reason to argue I'm scum. In fact it still doesn't make me trust you. I fried Corazon early over a mistake, which I wouldn't do as scum, before yamato wreaked havoc over the thread (I still think he should be lynched), how about looking for falsification and not confirmation? I've been looking for falsification all game, why do you think it's night 2 and I'm only now coming to a read I'm happy with? | ||
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On March 15 2013 23:12 Acrofales wrote: Talking about Marv's meta, not Vivax. Marv is using his OWN meta to make a meta read on Vivax, which just seems completely pointless. Moreso because he is misquoting his own meta. I think Vivax is probably town, he is too fucking insane to be scum (and I caught him when observing his scumgames, because he is far more placating as scum than as town). So yeah, I will shoot down bogus arguments when I see them. what drugs are you on? I'm doing nothing of the sort? | ||
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On March 15 2013 23:30 iamperfection wrote: marv i don't think vivax is scum. I think the fact he doesn't listen to supersoft is an extremely weak point since its pretty clear he doesn't really listen to anyone or anything. You said you found his first couple to be extremely fake to me it looks like someone that just got served a big fat slice of humble pie. I knew you'd think that, and I still disagree. Fortunately we have slOosh to do this and I'm still hoping town KP does us a favour with Vivax at some stage. I'm gonna try find one more mafia later that I'm reasonably sure on. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:05 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote FiveTouch On January 25 2013 07:19 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote gonzaw Vivax went insane and voted for me, and yet listened to reason, listened to other people, and went back to gonzaw. | ||
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On March 15 2013 23:41 austinmcc wrote: Vivax is not always insane, nor has he always been insane this game. He just seems to cover up his sanity with rambling/conspiracies/whatever. He's not ENTIRELY unreasonable, not even in this game. It's not a question of sanity/no sanity. If he's insane because he finds things that aren't things, oh well. If he's insane because he finds things that are demonstrably false/he made up in the first place, then I've got more issue with it. I keep going back to him absolutely fabricating what Foolishness said, admitting to not reading the posts, and continuing to argue as to what Foolishness said when he admitted not reading. That wasn't him finding something like this plexa bit, which is a THING, even if misinterpreted. That's him creating a THING out of whole cloth, then using it to be normal vivax. The genesis of his being vivax, in the case of the foolishness thing early, and I think in a couple other things during the game, is what points most to him being scummy. He's creating his own springboards to launch into being vivax. I don't THINK I've seen him do that as town. I don't think it's a meta thing at all, tbh, but if he were town he should be looking at what's in the thread and drawing strange conclusions, not making up what's in the thread and drawing strange conclusions. Excellent post. Yes. By the way, I didn't make quotes when I talked about slOosh earlier, but I want to be quite clear what I'm talking about and why slOosh looks quite so awful: On March 15 2013 02:41 slOosh wrote: Why does marv keep dodging? Why does he cherry pick at small things and inflate them? Why doesn't he address the main points and accusations? Cuz he scum. On March 15 2013 15:08 slOosh wrote: But yea, here to talk nevertheless. Just need direction that's all. I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness, but his followup actions inspire no confidence, as does his nonchalant explanation of his role. Seems weird that they would choose to reveal the nature of their roles clearly - I haven't checked the votes but cora could have easily left his votes on yamato, and assuming he is town would have gotten him lynched and kept 3KP for scum this night. Uhh ... but yea that's WIFOM, which doesn't hold up to Foolishness' actions themselves indicating he is scum. Also his ability reminded me of this post. "why doesn't marv address the main points" "I haven't read marv's mega-posts" And just to be clear on the timings, I'd made my first 'mega-post' by the time he wrote the first post. He just... hadn't bothered to read it. .... ok slOosh. | ||
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On March 15 2013 23:48 austinmcc wrote: Can some people who feel like they have a handle on Oats give me a small rundown of meta/what to look for to read him? I've been looking him back over, because we've still got scum somewhere stealing prplhz's vote. I am your Oats man. It's kinda like I said in my Night 1 reads post. My opinion's the same. Primary things to think about: - Oats will ask pointless questions and contradict himself as town quite regularly - Oats will jump all over the place as town - Oats is suspicious of a lot of people as town - Oats is scared as mafia - Oats isn't suspicious of many people as mafia | ||
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On March 15 2013 23:52 austinmcc wrote: Specifically, as to oats, I know that he's always bouncing around, I remember always finding that scummy and him always flipping town. Does he tend to bounce around from single target to single target? Or does he weave whoever he is scummy on atm into some kind of larger narrative, make lists, find scumteams? If anyone knows, save me the trouble plox. the former | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:04 GreYMisT wrote: MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT! The illusions fade as the lies are dispersed from the town. cDgCorazon's True Alignment is revealed! cDgCorazon (Palmar), was TOWN If that's not a mafia message, I don't know what is. | ||
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The flip is true, quite obviously. If he was town, he would have flipped town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:20 slOosh wrote: 12 hours of discussion based on incorrect information? A townie would never use a death frame? 3rd party wouldn't even know how to use it? My point is this. If Corazon flips townie with the nightpost, I look awful immediately. We can agree on this yes? There's no arguing with the hosts, there's no speculation on any abilities, I simply look awful. In this scenario, there's a lot of doubt about what happened, enough in fact that I'm still pretty convinced Corazon was mafia. Why do it in a manner that makes me look less bad than if Corazon had simply flipped townie in the nightpost? | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:25 kitaman27 wrote: The following message has been sent by Plexa: Widzę przez cienie, widzę przez ciebie. I can see the shadows, I see through you | ||
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Two reasons why Corazon was mafia: Corazon was 100% sure he would die yesterday. Literally not a shread of doubt. He left a will, he MOTHERFUCKING KNEW he was going to die. Totally convinced. On March 15 2013 10:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Lol you read on me is absolute shit. You'll find out soon enough. yeah right. | ||
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Acrofales knew he was mafia. I knew he was mafia. supersoft knew he was mafia. | ||
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what do you dispute? The fact that Corazon knew 100% he was going to die? Go read his filter. He *knew* he was going to die despite being 2nd in the lynch. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:37 austinmcc wrote: Cora did stuff. cora's play makes little sense from EITHER alignment, honestly, although more from mafia given the absurd tunnel. But you're not considering everything. cora isn't the only actor here. The hosts/mods added a message and updated the OP. Like I said, the power would be pretty useless if he was reflected as mafia in the OP. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote: i think marv is right. caller role from personality 1: except this time, they gave us some warning. Hiro, I'm actually in love with you. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:39 slOosh wrote: Town cora could have believed Foolishness to have told the truth. I don't see how an interpretation of a post is overriding a mod post. Not just an announcement but something reflected in the OP. slOosh, there's believing, and there's absolute certainty. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:46 slOosh wrote: So your final conclusion is that the hosts are dicking around with the OP. Not just announcements, ala the one from Plexa, but the OP itself. Wow. So cora and Foolishness are making an elaborate ploy where they deflect a scum lynch onto another scum when they had the power to lynch whomever they chose (given that cora had 2 votes and people weren't aware of Foolishness' deflection). And absolute certainty means they planned this out, so they can do a fake message that implicates marv as scum. And they do all this instead of just last minute voting you. Wow. Just no. OR YOU CAN READ WHERE EXACTLY THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN PERSONALITY YOU SCUMMY PERSON. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:48 Vivax wrote: This part is irrefutable. Foolish telling us how his role works was pro-town. Cora voting himself when he could have gotten others lynched wasn't scum agenda. Cora voting for himself to set up this play. I know I said I wouldn't call you names, but you're not such a... silly billy that you can't understand this, right? | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:49 Promethelax wrote: What a out fool where is he? What happened to your top three? Where did he go? And townie in hiro? Your thoughts I want to see. Foolishness | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:50 Vivax wrote: Seriously where the fuck am I. I wish I hadn't to post this much but if you don't marv infests others. So you have absolutely nothing to say about the fact that almost exactly this same thing happened in Personality 1? No? | ||
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1) In Personality 1, mafia had a role to permanently alter someone's flip, including in the OP 2) Foolishness is a scummy bastard 3) Foolishness intentionally revealed his role mechanic that the 2nd place gets lynched 4) Corazon was happy to get lynched, martrying himself 5) Corazon was absolutely certain that he was going to die, not Foolishness. Foolishness and Corazon are mafia | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:54 slOosh wrote: Bull. I call bull on all of you. The fact that people are using this to push me as red is ridiculous, because I never used cora's alignment as a determination of another players. All the vets of TL Mafia agree that the death framer was too strong, and you guys think that kita and grey would decide to put it back into the game untouched. Wow. No. IT wasn't untouched, it was tweaked with this Announcement thing. Otherwise we wouldn't have the opportunity to be talking about it now.. Keep squirming, slOosh. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:58 slOosh wrote: Lol whatever, I'm now gonna roleplay as Ace for the remainder of the game. If town aren't critical enough and just eat up bullshit after bullshit they don't deserve to win. I don't care if all my reads are wrong. This is fundamentally retarded. STUPID DANDELION CLAIMED MEDIC AND SANDROBA IS PROTECTING SYLLO BUT HE DIED AND SUDDENLY MARV IS SYLLO WHAT THE CRAP IS THAT? Apologies, I said slOosh. I in fact meant slOosh. My mistake. | ||
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On March 16 2013 00:58 slOosh wrote: Lol whatever, I'm now gonna roleplay as Ace for the remainder of the game. If town aren't critical enough and just eat up bullshit after bullshit they don't deserve to win. I don't care if all my reads are wrong. This is fundamentally retarded. STUPID DANDELION CLAIMED MEDIC AND SANDROBA IS PROTECTING SYLLO BUT HE DIED AND SUDDENLY MARV IS SYLLO WHAT THE CRAP IS THAT? It's fairly obvious. sandro and syllogism are buttbuddies (in the nicest way possible). Therefore sandroba (dandel) decides who is syllogism to protect, because they are buttbuddies. | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:02 austinmcc wrote: Anyone not particular sure what just happened gets some townie points in my book. yes I agree. But have to check whether it's genuine as well. | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:25 FiveTouch wrote: if slOosh is mafia there's a pretty decent chance Crossfire is mafia. Crossfire would have known he was perfectly safe launching a nuke at Foolishness. oops | ||
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Foolish/Cora/slOosh/Vivax/Crossfire I don't know why risk.nuke would out himself as having received a nuke and associate himself with his scumbuddies. Far easier just to... you know, not mention it at all. | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:36 Vivax wrote: Ridiculous. Marv didn't want to lynch xfire over cora precisely cause of the nuke on Foolishness. Now he magically appears in the list. More bogus reasons from marv. No stutters I'm not a veteran but there are possible circumstances under which I'm bulletproof. Because I didn't seriously think slOosh was mafia at the time. Engage brain please | ||
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I like what you say about Crossfire a lot still Dandel. | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote: I have not yet left your midst. is your protection of me permanent while you're alive? | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote: only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though. Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that ##vote: Vivax NOooo! Shoot FOOLISHNESS! | ||
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On March 16 2013 01:58 Stutters695 wrote: I'd rather let a regular vig do it so it isn't announced and it doesn't get rb'ed. Worst case if foolish lives we just lynch him again and coordinate to put a scummer in second again just in case it's an indefinite thing (I also can't know if the other person already locked in his shot but if he hasn't he can vote differently, we won't shoot and he can add you and we shoot tomorrow. Ok. I worry that we don't have a regular vig, but I guess the announce/roleblock thing makes some sense. And I do love me a bit of Vivax death. It's part of your role that you have to announce it in thread then? | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:08 Stutters695 wrote: It's kind of weird. I guess someone had a town read on me because it's their role that's being used. They added me to a sleeper cell with a 1shot vig power. I assume each night they can add a new person (I got the notification pm with the day post). Each phase the leader can send one pm through the mods to the members of the cell and each night we vote on who to kill. If everyone in the cells votes match the shot goes off on that target(I don't know if it's instantly or at night resolution, I assume resolution).I announced it because it was obvious that's what was doing when I asked if he had a vet power and to make sure the leader and I were on the same page, but I wouldn't know if the bullet fizzed if I didn't know about vivax powers. If it's someone anonymous carrying out the shot, I'd much rather you shot at our (potentially) unlynchable friend, Foolishness. | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:54 slOosh wrote: Ah yes. Scum Cora & Foolishness pulled an elaborate ploy to lynch himself to fool everyone's reads, and had it not been for your keen insight we would have been deluded into thinking he could have been town. Why, even the mods were fooled! Why, you exposed my dastardly plot to use corazon's alignment to draw false conclusions, before I even made any such posts! Bravo marv, you are the hero that this town needs. If you're somehow town you need to get a fucking grip slOosh. Because the entire town is with me on this and you're making yourself look like the Fool (geddit?). You can carry on down this path and we'll lynch the piss out of you, or you can take a deep breath and think properly. I know you're not a full-blown retard, so quit acting like one. | ||
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On March 16 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: Host called it a sleeper cell, but I was told nothing about an alt-wincon(otherwise I wouldn't have brought this up). Other than my notification PM and the one message he sent me (saying he liked the plan I proposed and who he wanted to shoot) I know nothing about it. Based off of what I know (I got my PM at d2 post) and that his message was directly in response to what I said in thread I'm assuming it's just me and him right now and it said nothing about if he gets a vote (I assumed he does). Votes are done via PM. Again, if the shot is performed by not-you, please shoot Foolishness. | ||
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On March 16 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote: I am curious about all this sleeper cell stuff, but probably busy with work for a few hours. Too much time on this game this week. stutters, the message you received says it's a one-shot deal? Does it say anything about whether you remain in the cell afterward? I know I've just been questioning him on this myself, but I'd like to postpone this discussion to Day. | ||
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On March 16 2013 03:21 slOosh wrote: Scaling back to 12 hours is a sensible and possible nerf. Hinting that it may be false while the OP remains true and the hosts both confirming multiple times it is true is not a sensible nerf. What else would the hosts do? Tell us it isn't true? THINK slOosh. | ||
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On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote: it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly. yes, it is silly, and this thought has crossed my mind regularly. Still not gonna wifom myself out of lynches though. mafia are evidently being silly. Foolishness, in his great wisdom, decided to out another scum in Corazon on the offchance that this gambit would work. He also made the same mistake 3 games running. Now slOosh is being blindingly dumb, and I know he isn't that. | ||
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why don't you, I don't know, read the two posts I made about Foolish, read his response, read the various things about Corazon - i.e. his blatant survival instinct, his awful tunnel, his refusal to comment on Foolishness, his 100% surety that he was going to die when the rest of the thread had no idea if Foolishness was telling the truth. Go back and do those things, and tell me what's happening in this game. | ||
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iamp is pretty consistent in wanting to lynch people, and vets especially actually, who aren't doing anything. iamperfection is the type of player who puts player on pedestals, and when they don't perform to their expectations, he wants to kill them. Themed is an easy example, from quite early on he wanted to lynch me because I wasn't doing anything. His interest in Ver and Fool, yes both of them, seems entirely consistent with his philosophy as town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 04:46 austinmcc wrote: In case that quotes bit was unclear, here's what I'm getting at. iamp N1 has both Foolishness and Ver in his scum list marv D2 comes back with a parity check on those two as different iamp strongly believes marv to be town iamp continues to push both Foolishness AND Ver. He does not explain why he does not trust the check. That's fine, in and of itself. There were a lot of comments in the thread about how the check was telegraphed, and so there could be a frame or a rb. But we know marv wasn't roleblocked (PARANOIA PARANOIA: IF HE'S TOWN (WHICH HE PROBABLY IS)). And if the checks came back different, that means a frame doesn't explain both being scum. If both were TOWN, you could frame one, have the parity check come back different, and lynch them BOTH. Get rid of 1 of 2 big scary players that you would not want to face as scum. But if both were SCUM, you can't frame them to make the parity check come back different. You'd need a cover ability, or a framer that specifically can do both, which MIGHT be the case. Or a gf, which MIGHT be the case. iamp just jumps into wanting to lynch BOTH players though. Despite the parity check, despite a roleblock not occurring, despite a regular frame + the check indicating that both are actually TOWN. So he's relying on one of them being a gf or one of them being covered, but nobody is really discussing those powers and he doesn't see fit to mention. He just carries his night scum reads over to day, without taking into account a parity check that a big town read got back. Scum. Dude scum. what are you talking about? why are you assuming mafia can't frame one of their own? the fact is i broadcasted my parity check and mafia did not roleblock me. it's a fairly safe assumption that they *could* have either roleblocked me or fucked with the results. you're putting way too much stock in this. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote: Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up. But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual. As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking. iamp, Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment. Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire? | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote: No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games. Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts. Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket. | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:43 Acrofales wrote: I was about to say that PU is not good comparison material, because he was confirmed town due to mason, so he could pretty much get away with murder. In MTG2 I pegged him as scum ridiculously easily. So he has either improved his game, or he's town. On D1 he looked like scum, but on D2 he had some insightful stuff, mainly about the nukes. Lets kill the scum we know before worrying about their partners. Associations should help... and the Cora associations are untrustworthy. I tried working from the assumption that Cora is town, but I just tie myself into wifom knots where I have conflicting beliefs about Foolishness and the use of the death miller thing. The whole exercise seems pointless and I end up agreeing that we should just ignore the whole flip and work from our reads without Cora associations, at least for now. Kill Foolishness. Work from there. No, we worry about their partners. Corazon and Foolishness are as good as confirmed mafia. | ||
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However we can judge him on the content he subsequently produces too. | ||
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On March 16 2013 06:17 yamato77 wrote: Moc's posts about me SEEM genuine, but he might have just played off Cora intentionally when they were both mafia. Idk, I doubt that he's scum, but he is a possibility. His lack of interest in this game is concerning. I agree with this assessment. Probably town, to be looked at again if other more likely options go awry. | ||
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On March 15 2013 10:30 supersoft wrote: Fulllist would be like that: supersoft BloodyC0bbler V Kurumi v VisceraEyes V austinmcc Acrofales yamato77 Dandel Ion marvellosity V Ver V strongandbig Oatsmaster Promethelax Vivax Mocsta iamperfection Stutters695 HiroPro (if foolish is town. Kill him) slOosh v Crossfire99 risk.nuke v prplhz v Foolishness V cDgCorazon looks really balanced and fair. + Show Spoiler + V/v is Vet. No offense to anyone intendet. Vet doesn't necessarily mean good in every game, but experienced. I don't actually have that much time later, so I'm going to post brief thoughts now in case for some reason I die overnight. I mostly agree with this list, with a few exceptions. iamp should be up a level in non-italic, Ver/DP should be about null for the moment, I'm not enamoured with DP's posting so far. Vivax is probably mafia, while HiroPro is fairly likely to be town in my opinion, I've not seen any reason for him to be mafia. Hiro also cut short completely what could have been a farcical discussion earlier. I agree with others that what Stutters is doing now with this sleeper cell thing is less likely to come from a mafia perspective, so I now lean town on him, and subsequently I'm still mafia on slOosh. The way he went about pushing me was just awful. prplhz I also believe to be town. Hiro said earlier in the game that prplhz idolises the vets, and I also know this to be true, so his BC case is a town-tell (even though it was wrong). Also I know people are going to say he's lurky and what have you, but I actually like his limited contributions while he's here. risk could still be mafia but I'm not particularly sure on that at all actually. I'm most in the middle on risk I'd say. Crossfire is still disappearing, and I think he's mafia, and I think everything he's posted has been helped along by Foolishness. Dandel is more certain town than the list, Acro less certain, although I still think he's town, he just makes my eyebrows raise ("foolish is town?"). | ||
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On March 16 2013 19:23 risk.nuke wrote: Marv, you claimed a parity check on Ver-Foolish. What does that say now. just for balance reasons alone DP has to be mafia but i don't think i'm gonna get town to lynch on that | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:13 DarthPunk wrote: The way that the "Vet's" have played vet balance is a joke and complete bollocks besides. find me a normal game ever that doesn't have one or two vets on the scumteam and then tell me it's bollocks thanks | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:16 DarthPunk wrote: So Ver is the only 'vet' other than foolishness? everyone knows you are at least as good as foolishness/ver ever was and there are lots of other very very good players in the game. Also I KNOW it's bollocks because I KNOW the game was balanced like that. bugs wasn't mafia, BC was town, super was town, VE was town, Foolishness was, apparently, town, i know i'm town what other vets should i be taking into account? | ||
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I know that kita will not tell you how the game was balanced or setup. Why don't you ask a green question in thread hmm? How do you KNOW how the game was balanced? Explain this to me. | ||
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don't know how easy it is to call slOosh mafia anymore either given his terrible tunnel of me but it's not as shit as Foolish's was and he apparently flipped town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:33 prplhz wrote: hey marv why do you put any faith at all in a cop check that you announced beforehand also what other powers do you have on that joat? I said repeatedly I don't why don't you read the thread? | ||
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No, go read my post from last night, and read about what other ppl said about his vigi thing. It seems more townie. The fact that both you and slOosh are pushing Stutters makes me think it's pretty likely he's town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote: Prplhz is likely marv's scumbuddy cause marv poked at his scumslip (in a not very damning way) and then dropped going after it when prplhz claimed to have read it somewhere. somefuckingwhere. Day2 marv refused to comment on both this and his acrofales read and still doesn't pay attention to acrofales. So I think these guys are connected by alignment. It's not my only point but we should go into that later. Stuff like this is so bad it almost makes me cry. So I see my scumbuddy do this horrible mafia slip, I'm the only one in the thread to call him out for it, I know there's apparently no satisfactory answer for it, yet I do it anyway. yooooooohoooooooooooooooo. Do you have something called ability to do basic logic? | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Stop sniping posts Marv and address the bigger issue here. WHO DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH? I've said it to at least 3 other players and I'll say it to you. Don't ever tell me what to do again. One of slOosh/Crossfire/DP. I have to go back and re-read in light of Fool's flip to see which though. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote: No. You tell me why you are sniping posts off earlier pages, if its not gonna lead up to anything. when things are incorrect they need to be shown as incorrect | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:26 DarthPunk wrote: the vig thing could have happened to him as scum/town. So that shouldn't make any difference to a read on him. And tat is why I ignored it. further, you are making associations before flips with at least one person whom you are wrong about (me) and the only stated reason that you have is that I am scum because "hurr durr vet balance." or that you 'don't like' my posts Seriously you keep implying that I am scum with nothing behind it. Why don't you either make a case on me or drop it and make a case on whoever it is you want to lynch. I am having a really hard time reading you right now because I am torn between you just playing really really badly which is not something I would expect or that you are scum with a giant filter and few slip ups. The thing is though I read a lot of that game in which you were scum with ZB and you had an enormous filter in that game. And that was a mini. So please do something. pursue your largest scum read. It is really important for town to be able to read your alignment right now. Probably the most important thing period. If you want to read my alignment, you should have done so already. Go back to those posts I made in response to Foolishness, and tell me if they were unnatural or if I twisted anything in there, because I'm pretty damn sure I didn't. Don't compare a 20 page filter in 5 days to a 35 page filter after 2 either, please. The only blight on my alignment is the fact that I was wrong about Foolishness, so if you can genuinely read those posts I made in response to him as faked and my reasoning was wrong, then call me mafia. Otherwise there's nothing. | ||
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Fortunately for that guy, he flipped town already. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote: Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal? On March 15 2013 01:56 DarthPunk wrote: That was really easy once I found the relevant posts. ##Vote: Foolishness On March 16 2013 23:44 DarthPunk wrote: You and I both know that things changed after foolishness flipped green. especially after all that shit flinging between you two. You may think that your filter and alignment is easy to read but it really isn't. that fight with foolishness was about as enlightening as a quagmire. You will do what you want. And that is fine. But I request a case on who you think is mafia to make things easier. Like it or not the reality is that you are as much of a question mark as I am to several people. you have to be realistic. bed time. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote: Because I sheeped you after being in the game for three hours? and have now stopped blindly sheeping you after being far more well informed? I don't know about you but that seems totally reasonable to me and in no way says anything about me being mafia. You should know that and I do know that. It's 2 am i'm closing everything. Feel free to post as much as you want on why I am scum i'll get back to you tomorrow. No. I showed you the posts yesterday regarding Foolish's case and my rebuttal. And you found them SO convincing you said it was "really easy" and voted Foolishness immediately. Now those very same posts are "as enlightening as a quagmire". You're changing your stance on them to suit your agenda. It's pretty clear. | ||
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- yesterday DP read the posts on Foolish and found them so convincing that it was so easy to vote for him - today he finds them as enlightening as a quagmire No. | ||
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On March 17 2013 00:04 DarthPunk wrote: no the relevant post is the one that said there were opposing cop checks. You are being blatantly manipulative now. Which is weird because manipulation comes from pushing an agenda rather than seeking the truth. Which are you doing with me? You asked for Foolish's case and the rebuttal I told you where to find them You came back and said it was easy what am I manipulating? You're telling me something totally unverifiable after the fact and accusing me of manipulating? Are you for real? | ||
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On March 17 2013 00:08 DarthPunk wrote: The way you present your argument is that the relevant posts are the posts in which you pointed me towards. they are not. And anyone with half a brain would KNOW that deciphering your mess was impossible to be easy. it was ONLY easy because of the cop check. and after that I just sheeped you because you are a good player until I could catch up with the thread. Ciao No, the timeline is exactly as I stated it, and it is in your filter for anyone to see. Further, in at least 95% of cases where my cop check was brought up, it was also brought up it was untrustworthy. If you truly found that to be the relevant thing you found, and NOT THE THINGS YOU SAID YOU WERE LOOKING AT, you should have damn well said so. Now you're just making stuff up after the fact. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:03 Acrofales wrote: I am not very convinced by this. DP got pointed to the most relevant posts, read them and was convinced that Foolishness was scum. He then read the rest of the thread, which has a LOT of shit between you and Vivax concerning Foolishness' alignment. He knows Foolishness is town, and has to use the posts not to determine Foolishness' alignment, but yours. I don't know that I would put it as bluntly, but it took me quite a bit of reading and thinking about the game to realize that you were probably just wrong, not scum for relentlessly pushing Foolishness. However, I don't like his defense: this above was what came to my mind immediately when reading the attack and I dismissed it. But as defense he brings up the check: if his entire reason for thinking Foolishness was scum was the CHECK, why bother mentioning the posts in the first place? He thought the parity check was truthful, and claims his own PM as evidence that this means Foolishness was scum. Why bother mentioning the posts? It seems like a post-hoc scramble to make sense of his actions. So yeah, I think DP is scum. What do you think of Xfire? Aye, I'll get to Crossfire in a moment. One more thing about DP. If it truly was that that made him vote for Foolishness, he would/should have mentioned it. It's actually glaringly obvious why he DIDN'T mention it (and why he is bullshitting) - DarthPunk *knows* that if he had given that as his justification for voting Foolishness, then the whole thread would have shouted at him. He claims he didn't know the check was unreliable, so if this is the case, why did he not mention in the slightest when he voted for him? It's nonsense. Crossfire looks bad because Foolishness was his redeeming feature mainly. He keeps disappearing, coming back and apologising for playing badly... and disappearing again. Honestly I think DP has the highest chance to flip mafia given Fool's flip, but I would vote for Crossfire too. And despite the NKs, I still think Corazon was mafia. *shrug* | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:18 prplhz wrote: marv can you god damn roleclaim i have no reason to at all, so no. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:34 slOosh wrote: I eventually conceded marv was town given that everyone else in town thought so too. You can see this because when Foolishness comes in with his big post I get all excited (hey I'm not the only one!) and same when supersoft initially came in. It is incredibly difficult to mentally decide that you are correct and everyone else in town isn't. My confidence in my play isn't at that level. The biggest information from the night kills was that Foolishness is town and that the bulk majority of his effort was directed at marv, and that cora was almost certainly town given the high KP. Marv admits himself that he looks terrible if cora flips town. Well cora did flip town but marv made up stuff to say otherwise. I felt strongly against that, but again, everyone else in town thought so too. Yes, slOosh, this post really looks although you agreed just because everyone else said so. Oh wait. No. It says you went back and reread everything and agreed with what I said. On March 16 2013 05:37 slOosh wrote: I think ... I figured out why I'm so bad ... the themed games screw with me. Nomination, PYPower, Liar Game ... all of it fits together... anyways, Yea so I shut up and did some serious reading. It seems like different play fueled my paranoia of you into a scummy interpretation. For instance, upon rereading you are right that cora's behavior around lynch is strange, but I would say that it is knowing that he has the power to control the lynch but choosing to instead martyr that gives himself away, not the he knew he was gonna die (probably because I've seen plenty of townies pull this "kill me so with my flip you realize player X is scum", which it seemed like what he was doing). Upon reading your two big posts I agree with and it was the kind of thing I was initially looking for when Foolishness initially made the case. When you picked out the kill order, I really believed that is a null point, because I saw a reason why I would want scum yamato flip first, and I think supersoft also said he wanted to flip yamato first (but didn't explain until later I think). What saw as scummy on review is that he went yamato => crossfire => marv, not yamato => marv => crossfire, because there would be no point in putting crossfire before marv. Again, same conclusion but using different information. I apologize the undue stress placed upon you marv. It's just the misfortune of having a new category of player I call themedtownslOosh which seems to play pretty poorly. Yea. Foolishness scum. My bad. If I'm still unreadable and you still want to lynch me that's totally understandable. In the meantime I'm just gonna have to build my reads from base up, unless you want me to focus on something neutral / less talked about to see if we come to the same conclusions. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:36 prplhz wrote: yes you have, a roleclaim will make me reconsider. do you have any reason not to roleclaim? I have no reason to roleclaim, and if you're dumb enough to vote for me on the basis of that, your vote isn't worth worrying about anyway. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:39 slOosh wrote: Yea, marv is just splitting hairs, and isn't doing it for the purpose of getting a correct lynch. Doy. how is that splitting hairs? you specifically just said you agreed becaue everyone else said so. I show you a post where you say you went back and reread everything and agreed with what i said. how is that splitting hairs? are you incapable of basic reading comprehension? | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:46 Acrofales wrote: Why? What about Marv's roleclaim is going to make you reconsider? Actually there is one thing: Marv claimed he was protecting DI, yet DI ended up dead. Either someone shot Marv despite it being completely obvious DI had some form of protection on him (and scum therefore guessed correctly about exactly how DI's role worked), DI was doublestacked and there were 6!!! shots fired last night, or DI was not protected. Marv, can you explain what you did last night? yes. I got distracted by Fool's flip. I was roleblocked. What you see in the thread is what you get. There is literally no way for me to change my night action other than posting in the thread. | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:47 slOosh wrote: Lol ok Oats is scum too. I was never using the explanation to push marv. He wants me to put in work to get marv lynched but he himself isn't pushing for anyone's lynch. At LYLO. Lazy scum busted. So are you going to deny that you went back and re-read everything and agreed with all the points you said you did? | ||
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supersoft, Dandel, Promethelax, iamperfection, strongandbig and whoever else I'm forgetting believed Foolish to be certain mafia. You said you went back and reread what I wrote and agreed with what I wrote about Foolish, and agreed with what I said about Corazon. And you're calling me mafia. Is this about right? | ||
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On March 17 2013 01:57 Acrofales wrote: I guess it's believable. Scum doesn't know how DI's protection works. They want Marv dead. Marv claims to protect DI, so they roleblock him and kill DI. Scum-Marv *could* kill DI just to make it look like this is what happened: it is entirely clear that if DI HADN'T died, then my D3 policy-lynch of Marv would have come roaring into action. Eh. I think I'm being paranoid. Marv isn't playing like scum. He was just as wrong as me and a whole list of confirmed townies about Foolishness. Lets kill Xfire. It's lylo and there are 5 scums left. Plenty of time to lynch Marv if he is left alive. Lets get the low-hanging fruit first. Lynch Xfire now. In all seriousness, we kill Crossfire (or DP) today, they flip mafia, it's still lylo tomorrow and i'm left alive. What then? | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:01 slOosh wrote: I am officially ignoring marv and oats on the basis I think they are scum and are trying to divide focus and attention. I am open to talking to anyone else. Also don't let yamato's case get buried. Have nice day. Since when do you ignore your scumreads that you're trying to get lynched? :/ | ||
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On March 17 2013 04:09 yamato77 wrote: This is marv's one and only response to my case: ROFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL that's because that's all it deserved half the case is saying i'm too indecisive the rest of the case is saying i'm too tunnelled (ergo decisive) nothing explaining why any of it makes me mafia... | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:07 yamato77 wrote: Because town Marv isn't a fucking wimpy dumbass. Come on. nor is mafia marv you weirdo. being indecisive isn't wimpy, it's about not knowing what the best lynch is. It's really easy to be decisive when you're just making shit up you know. | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote: This stinks. You're a more-than-solid mafia player. You know that. You enjoy that. But yet you are saying that you're town, going to finally start lynching mafia, and then they will leave you alive tonight? This isn't the marv that I know, who should have been assuming that every night from N1 he was going to be killed. I have tried to be the police. That hasn't worked. So let's try something else. austinmcc wright, thread lawyer. OATS - Have you ever played in a game with scummarv before? If so, which? If so, on a scale of -10 (Modconfirmed scum) to +10 (Modconfirmed townie) how did you read him? WHOLE THREAD - Was anyone roleblocked N1? have you never seen a town-marv with his confidence knocked before? when I'm absolutely certain on something and I'm wrong (rare but it happens) then I need time to get my confidence back and reorientate. | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:23 yamato77 wrote: I clearly showed that your decision process involved blatant sheeping of town's other veterans, all of which you subsequently killed. Also, you're not screaming at me for being stupid for accusing you, SO YOU'RE DEFINITELY MAFIA THIS TIME. where was blatant sheeping of other town's veterans? i asked their opinions, yes... since when is seeking the opinion of a strong player I believe to be town a mafia-tell? anyway i'm not doing the whole screaming thing since kita came in and did his "i'm not your mom" thing. you'll have to accept this instead. until you come up with something which remotely indicates i'm mafia, there's no point talking about your case. The strongest and best point that I'm mafia is that I tried to lynch a townie day 2. You either accept my push was genuine or you don't. All that other nonsense that's in your case says nothing about anything. | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:48 yamato77 wrote: This is a case of TOWN MARV USUALLY PUSHES LYNCHES THIS MARV HAS PUSHED ZERO LYNCHES ALL THE WAY THROUGH Stop over-thinking this. This IS NOT town marvellosity. I know it for a fact. Stop talking bullshit, it's really annoying. I pushed both Foolishness and Corazon hard on day 2. You can't have it both ways. | ||
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On March 17 2013 06:09 yamato77 wrote: And you voted for Vivax, and expressed the tiniest bit of interest in lynching me for being AFK, and so on... No, you have no balls. You arguing with Foolish and yelling because he called you mafia is not "pushing his lynch" in the way a town Marv pushes a lynch. Randomly deciding to consolidate on Cora in case Foolish isn't lynched is not "pushing his lynch" in the way a town Marv pushes a lynch. All of day 1, you pushed zero fucking lynches to the end. You didn't even stay on Bugs, for Christ's sake. And now today, you're doing this weird thing with DP where you call him mafia and are failing to follow up on it with anything more substantial than a weakly placed vote. I wasn't sure on day 1. It's very easy to be sure on day 1 if you're mafia, because you just choose someone and go for it. The case that austin linked from GSL 3 earlier that Hapa made - part of that case was that I was too sure of the day 1 lynch and wasn't suspicious of enough people. You're completely incapable of understanding what a good mafia player can do and indeed does. Just look at my voting pattern in Fruity, it goes something like hopeless-toad-vivax-yamato-vivax-zess-yamato. Then go look at my voting pattern in Themed. As far as I remember it goes Hassybaby - ----- My pattern in Hero goes Tunkeg-Adam Sorry man, but being indecisive on the day 1 lynch isn't a mafia tell at all. At least it isn't for me. | ||
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not being sure of a day 1 lynch doesn't make me mafia, no matter how much you want to believe it. i gave my honest opinion regularly, it's just not as decisive as you like, but that's tough titties I'm afraid. cling on to those dreams buddy, but basically you're just saying things and hoping it makes me mafia when it just doesn't <3 | ||
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On March 17 2013 16:58 yamato77 wrote: Lol, whatever. See you after this game when marv is found out red. what will you do for me when I'm town? just as a fun, theoretical question. i want to prepare. | ||
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I'm going to take a leap of faith and call Acro town. He is the best player by far left in this game, bar a collapsing marvellosity. Players like austin are pretty awful and can't get a read right to save their life. austin only thinks i'm mafia when i'm town, and thinks i'm town when i'm mafia, apparently. His only comment is "mafia tricksy this game". Pathetic. He obviously has a complete inability to even understand basic meta arguments. yamato is eager and probably town, he just still has no idea apparently what makes someone town or someone mafia; certainly running commentaries don't make anyone anything. If Acro is dead certain about Crossfire ahead of DP, then I'll go for that, although I'd still hang DP first. ##Unvote ##Vote: Crossfire I am a watcher and I will watch Acrofales tonight. | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:10 DarthPunk wrote: You are wrong about me, who the fuck knows about cora. and getting foolishness that spectacularly wrong counts for two. Getting a player wrong THAT EVERYONE AGREED ON counts for 2? What is this fucking ridiculous hyperbole? | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:15 DarthPunk wrote: You forced the issue, we both know it. You pushed so hard and screamed so loudly that we either had to for vote you or foolishness and everything else got crushed under the weight of all that noise. Everyone came down on my side supersoft the confirmed town who isn't weak and caves to noone came down on my side after rereading both our filters don't try and bullshit and say "it counts for 2". that's just you inflating things for absolutely no reason. Pretty scummy I would say. I got Foolishness wrong, and that's what you can say about it. "It counts for 2" is one of the stupidest things I've seen in this entire thread yet, and we have Vivax playing so that's saying something. | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:21 DarthPunk wrote: Lol another throwaway remark responding to nothing meaning nothing makes me scum because you don't like it. The damage from getting foolishness wrong was enlarged because of the way that it dominated all of day 2 and lots of people listened to you because of your rep. I know I did. Anyway this is counter productive and I refuse to shit up the thread today as well. We are not going to agree. ##Vote: Marvellosity Oats I'll read sloosh's filter later tonight after I spend some time on my other game. I thought the cop check that you never mentioned and somehow you didn't know was unreliable was why you voted Fool. My mistake...... | ||
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On March 17 2013 02:02 marvellosity wrote: Here's how it is slOosh. supersoft, Dandel, Promethelax, iamperfection, strongandbig and whoever else I'm forgetting believed Foolish to be certain mafia. You said you went back and reread what I wrote and agreed with what I wrote about Foolish, and agreed with what I said about Corazon. And you're calling me mafia. Is this about right? Unfortunately for him everything in this post is 100% correct. | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:29 DarthPunk wrote: And when I found out it was completely useless I sheeped you because you are you. You know that because it is in my filter which you have read. Stop making things seem to be something they are not. Actually forget it. This is pointless and I refuse to engage with your blatantly misleading one liners. Yes, you very specifically said you were sheeping marv. You didn't say you were sheeping marv's cop check, oh no. Only me. Somehow you manage to never mention the cop check, which is why you were so convinced to vote Foolishness. Somehow you just never mentioned it... all you mention is that you're reading the cases, that you're sheeping me... but you're never citing the cop check. Funny. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote: If you want the truth. The reason it was so easy is because the opposing cop checked was mentioned in something I read. And I did not yet know that you had to declare it until I read through a heap more things. I had been in the game 3 hours at that point but when someone says opposing cop checks and you are town it suddenly becomes really easy. I invite you, the reader, to look at his filter and decide for yourself if this is the case. I will provide below what I believe to be the relevant quotes, but if you believe me to be evil twisty mafia, I encourage you to check for yourself. On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote: Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal? On March 15 2013 01:56 DarthPunk wrote: That was really easy once I found the relevant posts. ##Vote: Foolishness Note well here. Relevant posts, plural. One would think a cop check was only one post or mention. Heyo. On March 15 2013 11:14 DarthPunk wrote: Regardless of the timing, It is true. As for not pushing anything, well I have only read 52 pages of a 160+ plus game I am not nearly up to speed. There is an almost certain lynch on foolishness that I am pretty much sheeping marv on while I catch up so I don't see the value in pushing anything whilst I am as ill informed as I am currently and certainly don't feel the need to do so just to keep up appearances. That said if something so basic as the fact that scum don't generally try to kill themselves when, in fact, killing themselves is an antithesis to their very purpose in the game comes along; I don't feel the need to not state my agreement with it simply because the circumstances of my arrival have prevented me from contributing much prior to that On March 15 2013 11:16 DarthPunk wrote: I think yamato is town. I think marv is probably town and I am sheeping marv while I catch up. If any of you can find a shred of evidence in any of this that DP was voting for Foolish because of the check like he claimed, I'm all ears. | ||
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On March 17 2013 08:46 prplhz wrote: marv tell me why you wont roleclaim and don't say "lol sod off" because that's no reason think about why you roleclaimed vigilante in Rock Band and stop asking me the same question over and over again bish <3 | ||
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On March 17 2013 22:18 Mocsta wrote: its not that DP is bullshitting. its just.. i feel more certain with sl0osh or vivax + with the tunnel on foolishness, im not sure if you repeating with "ver" Because I got someone wrong doesn't suddenly make everything I say invalid. All I ever ask when I post these things is for people to think for themselves about it. As in, do *you*, Mocsta, genuinely believe DP conveniently managed to forget ever mentioning the cop-check, despite saying earlier that it was his reasoning for voting Foolishness? Does his filter during Day 2 read like that to you? That's what I'm asking. | ||
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On March 17 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: You won the game basically, don't even know why you go through the trouble of persuading people of your innocence marv. You won the game D3 in themed, too. Looks like you have a tendency to roll scum in games which tend to last shortly = easy. let's think. I made no effort in Themed... and a fuckton of (perhaps occasionally misplaced) effort in the world in this game I wonder if same alignments, herp de derp | ||
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On March 17 2013 22:31 Mocsta wrote: Gotcha Well i know how hard it is to replace.. so i see both points of view (1) its not clear (marv) & (2) thoguhts change as you raed thread (dp) so i take it as a null point I don't understand how you see it as null. 1) He claims that he voted for Foolish because of the cop check 2) He never once mentioned the cop check at the time as his reason for voting Foolish I don't understand how you don't see something exceedingly, exceedingly strange here. | ||
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On March 17 2013 22:32 prplhz wrote: i'm not moving off of you before you roleclaim you're a prime lynch target, you're a prime night kill target, you're getting roleblocked, you have to claim anyway in order to even use your role. there is plenty of reason to claim and no reason not to so just go ahead. i think you don't have a fullclaim and now you've been so stubborn about it that you can't change your opinion anymore. also i don't think that it was good idea that i claimed vig in rock band. only thing in that game worse than my vig claim was how i was lynched for it. As Acro said, pretty much the entirety of my role is pretty fucking obvious. You've now seen 3 of my powers, and I have 5 in total. I've also explicitly said how I have to use these powers. The fact you're still asking about this is stupid. | ||
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On March 17 2013 22:43 prplhz wrote: marv it just seems really odd to me that a guy with 5 powers who is clearly putting in the most effort and often gets shot on n1 would use an essentially useless power on d1. all my powers are broadcasted so all my powers are essentially useless. I used what I thought was the strongest role on Day 1 so I'd get to use it. 3 of my powers are check-y type roles. You've seen cop day 1 and watcher today, you can guess what my 3rd check-y role is. There's one more role besides that perhaps I should use today instead. | ||
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On March 18 2013 01:12 HiroPro wrote: Please. Let us kill vivax. He is almost definitely mafia. Why would no mafia try to save corazon? The answer is they wouldnt. Vivax has played with a mafia agenda the entire game, but that's Vivax. he's always scum MVP in any game he's town. he's not the best lynch and I don't like at all that you're pushing this Hiro. We should be lynching into Crossfire/DP/slOosh. You need to start talking about which of these are likeliest to flip mafia, because Vivax is never going to be as certain as they're going to be. prplhz, you need to get a grip and move your vote off me. There's 5 votes on me at the moment; 2 are extremely likely to be mafia trying to get my lynched today (DP, slOosh), one is from someone too stubborn to look somewhere else (yamato) and another is from someone too paranoid about me too see what's in front of him (austin). This leaves you, prplhz, to do something sensible. | ||
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Can the non-retards/non-mafia please organise themselves and vote DP please? | ||
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I have no idea why everyone doesn't want to lynch slOosh by the way, but apparently that can wait for another day. | ||
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Are you Toad, vivax? | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:06 austinmcc wrote: marv is around at lylo. This should not be the case. EVEN IF he were town and wrong all game, he's one of the few, if not the only, remaining player who has been putting in effort and organizing town. Scum can't just rely on him being wrong forever, and if they took him out then town loses someone who puts in a ton of effort and is pushy with his votes - someone who is threatening to scum. I don't think Foolishness's case is slam-dunk, but as of today we know Foolishness was town. He was actually trying to trap marv and observe marv's reaction. I had Foolishness as scum, but we know that's not the case now. Nobody seems to be factoring this into things, but Foolishness's reads are now valid and worth considering. Some of it is personal stuff. There are some buddy-ish posts between marv and I, which I should have noticed more. Normally, if marv is town, we argue about a decent number of things. Here, I agreed with his Foolishness read, but he's been scummy on slOosh for a bit now and I've been townie. When marv is townie and I disagree with him, he's all over my ass for being an idiot (See: stupid ass LIX where marv is right about near EVERYTHING and I'm wrong about near EVERYTHING and he's calling me on it whenever I disagree with him). When marv is scum, he's often more buddyish and friendly, in my experience, at least towards me (again, this is specific-to-me stuff). We were together in a mason QT at the end of LV, friendly banter, and in Themed Mini he was kind of friendly and banter-y, although he was also just goofing off to some extent. All that explanation to say that marv has been more buddy-y with me this game than "austin is a dumbass," didn't get all up in my grill over our different slOosh reads, and ONLY started with the austin-is-an-idiot stuff today - + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 21:05 marvellosity wrote: Players like austin are pretty awful and can't get a read right to save their life. austin only thinks i'm mafia when i'm town, and thinks i'm town when i'm mafia, apparently. His only comment is "mafia tricksy this game". Pathetic. He obviously has a complete inability to even understand basic meta arguments. That quote itself was kind of telling for me. I'm awful, I can't get a read right to save my life, etc. I have maybe more than my share of bad bad games, but I don't think I've played overly poorly this one. At the very least, I haven't done stupid shit yet, and that sadly counts as not overly poorly for me. But marv has only turned on that acidity NOW, not when we disagreed about stuff before, only now. Those are the sort of posts he should have been directing at me all game if he were town when we disagreed on slOosh or on cora or on other topics. Another minor thing, and maybe specific to me, is marv's reaction to this day. I remember Movie Star Mini Mafia as a game where marv and VE were at each other's throats for just about a full cycle. 1/2 the thread was them spamming attacks at each other, blah blah blah. marv was a vig and shot VE, who flipped town. marv was mopey for a while after that, because he'd been wrong, that's what he referenced earlier today when asking if I'd seen him have to regroup after being so wrong about his strongest reads/entire theory of the game. But marv's response THAT game was to go balls-to-the-wall and try to solve the game before he got NKed the next day. There was a google doc full of thoughts, reads on people, etc. etc. I forget the exact scenario, but he basically went and figured out more or less who the mafia were, and more or less specifically who the mafia RB was. Or some power role. That was like the only target that town could kill and still have a chance, it was a SK game and without that iirc the game came down to mafia vs. sk and town couldn't win. Anyhow, marv's reaction THIS game is different. I HAVE seen him go dark and be unconfident after having a strong read come up wrong. But when that happened, he popped back and basically solved the game as best he could. Here, that has NOT happened, in the least. He points to the lack of confidence, hoping I recognize that as the same as another town game, but he doesn't seem to remember that his reaction was two-part that game, and the other part is lacking here. /breath So, a bunch of little things, and then the whole glaring he's-still-alive-D3/lylo-and-scum-is-shooting-people-who-aren't-going-to-take-over-town-like-he-can. you're a really terrible, terrible player if you think i could pull this off as mafia i'm gonna mention it one more time, the longest filter in mafia history that i know of is my filter in hero (20) and I'm double that now. It's impossible for mafia to fake involvement for this long. Get a grip you stupid nonce. you're just waffling and paranoid and fucking stupid and you're not fucking stupid so it's very frustrating. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:13 Vivax wrote: [/i]Lol roleblock marv and shoot DI the village idiot who becomes scum bodyguard cause he's a fanboy. Why not roleblock DI and kill marv?Or doublestack marv and instead waste a shot on a guy like DI? + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote: Acro is more interesting but you don't talk about Acrofales at all (except lately you mention him casually as strange) Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda: Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1. I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now: BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA ##vote wherebugsgo We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. He states : If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote: /facepalm Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else. SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for Foolish when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. BECAUSE I AM REALLY CLOSE TO GETTING LYNCHED, THAT'S WHY. | ||
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On March 18 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote: No, my role is restricted to pushing votes only onto myself. Now that it's out, scum has to opt for my mislynch basically cause I can pull off a vote from every other mislynch. It was a pleasure to play at ur side SlOosh ;_; Vivax, you can only change votes on to yourself? | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:36 slOosh wrote: Acro, if marv is town, how did your supposed scum team destroy a playerlist stacked with vets by lurking? Only me and Vivax have been active this game, so between the two of us we fooled everyone and put us in LYLO at D3? The marv problem isn't going to go away for the exact reason you stated - he can just WIFOM and say "oh scum wanted to do this", and it will get progressively more difficult to land the correct lynch as days go on, because a single misplaced vote can => last minute voteswing victory. Please reconsider. you've been active? you've still not answered my last post about you by the way. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:52 Vivax wrote: Silence, don't talk up to your leader, you little barking dog. pretty sure you've bitched repeatedly this game about comments like this, vivax. | ||
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I would remind everyone that supersoft said that Hiro was more likely to be mafia if Foolish flipped town. Then again... bleh. I hate how he disappeared after his roleclaim, we really need him to be here and fucking talk about it. That doesn't seem very town. I literally can't understand why a mafia Hiro is fakeclaiming at this point to try to lynch Vivax though. Especially as Hiro was under very little suspicion of anybody. If Hiro is mafia then he's trying to divert a mafia lynch, and if that's the case I don't know who he's trying to divert if OFF, exactly (herp derp, it's not me). I can't really make head nor tail of it without Hiro coming back and explaining exactly what it is he got back, if he received back what Vivax has said, etc. In the meanwhile I think DP is the best lynch (at least partly because between DP and risk, I'm pretty sure DP is the mafia between them) | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:19 austinmcc wrote: What is "this"? Being involved, having a very large filter? You don't get modkilled for posting a bunch as mafia. You slip up and get caught, you can't keep your stories straight, catch scum, not look weird for organizing town yet never getting NKed, you out yourself as mafia. There's no inherent limit to your posting, it's just easier to not be particularly active. Plus, while it's VERY ODD for mafia to have an enormous filter, it's also VERY ODD for town to have a filter that long. I know you post a lot, are active, but that's a huge amount for 3 days, and if you were town and that much more vocal than everyone else, mafia would have shot you. Yeah, I'm paranoid about you. But there are a lot of little indicators that you're not town, and you're still alive. And if "I've been really active, can't be mafia" is all you've got to offer, then I'm not buying it, because a townie that active shouldn't still be alive, so it cuts both ways. no it isn't town always have the longest filters in every game why are you saying somethnig that's blatantly untrue. come on austin. by the way "all i've got to offer" - all i've got to offer is in my filter. my case on corazon, my suspicions and how i've gone about them of anyone you care to mention. i'm not going to sit here and tell you what's in my filter. when someone has 400 posts in a game, it's very easy to pick some posts out of that and make some narrative. more likely is that someone with this many posts is genuinely invested in the game. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:02 Vivax wrote: Stutters notice how marv had Crossfire as scum before D2. When he shot the nuke against Foolish marv said he was town for it. And now that Foolish flipped town marv seems to completely disregard crossfire, that tells you how serious he was about that read. I still think we should lynch others before crossfire (Hiro and Acrofales) cause every other choice is more coinflippy. i never disregarded crossfire since, that's a blatant lie. if you were reading the thread you'd realise this. stop lying, vivax. | ||
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i've had other things to worry about. there are people more suspicious than you and i don't see why you'd run around claiming you have KP that is influenceable by town if you were mafia (of course it's convenient that i told you to shot a townie, but you weren't to know that) | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:08 DarthPunk wrote: There is a framer of some description in this game. Your check is potentially unreliable and I honestly don't view vivax as scum based on his play this game. It's not worth risking lynching at mylo/lylo based on that check IMO. this is a terrible argument. the percentages are, that if hiro is telling the truth, his check is reliable. of course Vivax *could* have been framed, but out of all the players left who could have been framed, the percentage chance of Vivax specifically being framed is fairly low | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:13 Vivax wrote: Cause you are this dude and utterly annoying and misrepresentative. For every 10 points in your disfavour you manage to attack the 1 point which puts you into favourable light and completely skip the rest. Also your teammates would probably suck without your help so we have to get rid of you first. Plus everything I already mentioned in my filter. And cause you don't deserve a perfect victory without your head rolling first. ...... none of these are reasons you're not trying to kill confirmed-liar Hiro, are they | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:15 Stutters695 wrote: I worded that question pretty poorly, but not a big deal that I'm less concerned about given how long we have left. If we make it to night I'll clarify. How come you never actually voted Cross when you said you were going to? because I prefer DP i think cross is a pretty shabby choice right now when we have a liar between hiro/vivax and someone i'm convinced on in DP i could make you really happy and vote cross but i'm not gonna | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:16 DarthPunk wrote: Yep because as YOU YOURSELF stated there is no reason for scum hiro to fake claim at that point in time and it also didn;t read like a mafia claim because it wasn't polished at all and looks kind of bad. Mafia claims are going to be spot on really well crafted things. This wasn't therefore we should kill vivax. there are a bunch of players who are likely frame targets. crossfire, stutters, sloosh, DP, Vivax, risk, prplhz and you're arguing there's a high likelihood vivax gets framed? no, with that many players who are lynchable, the chances are very very low that vivax gets framed. possible, but maybe 15% | ||
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so let's kill Vivax. it's really, really easy. ##unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:23 DarthPunk wrote: Not worth the risk at LYLO. But you won't listen to me. IT'S NOT WORTH THE RISK OF LYNCHING A REDCHECK AT LYLO am i hearing this right?!?!?!?!?!? | ||
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vivax is mafia hiro is town DP is mafia DP knows hiro is town DP therefore trusts hiro is town in the thread DP makes the argument that YOU DON'T LYNCH A RED CHECK AT LYLO you lynch the red-check that the super suspicious DP is casting doubt on ...... | ||
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DP DOESN'T WANT TO LYNCH A RED CHECK AT LYLO | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:30 Stutters695 wrote: So your scumread says someone is town and that's a point in favor of Hiro being town? What about the possibility (assuming you aren't scum) of Hiro DP being scum and this being that all in attempt you mentioned, just on Vivax instead of you? This doesn't feel like the scum Vivax I've seen and it feels like you're just trying to avoid a lynch of yourself instead of convincing anyone of your scumread. In non-lylo I'd understand but a mislynch on anyone else is just as bad as on you. Where's the effort I'd expect from someone of your caliber? what's wrong with you? USE YOUR BRAIN 1) I think DP is mafia 2) I've mostly thought Hiro is town 3) Hiro claims a redcheck on Vivax 4) Vivax DOES NOT WANT TO LYNCH HIRO 5) My mafia read (DP) assumes without thinking about it that Hiro is town (and therefore he probably is) why are you not reading and understanding what's going on here? please think about what's happening here. I'll spell it out very simply. DP (who I think is mafia) is saying Hiro is town. He is saying that we cannot trust the red check. Despite the fact there is a very high chance the check is legitimate. USE YOUR BRAIN YOU LURKY MOFO. (P.S. I used 'mofo' instead of something insulting. self-control yo) | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: It's not worth lynching a red check with a confirmed framer in the game when that check is the most likely to have been framed. I don't want to risk the entire game on it. also I am pretty sure you are scum and Vivax is town and the fact you are pushing it so hard makes me even more sure that lynching you is the best option. But you are not going to agree with me because you are scum so I am going to disengage with you once again so you can't crap all over the thread like you did with foolishness. what is it with everyone calling me mafia refusing to talk to me... | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:36 Acrofales wrote: I'm here and will be here til the lynch. Is there an updated vote count? If I see it right, Marv is still the vote leader. That's retarded. If you're town, get your vote off Marv! Stop being fucking stupid. Now. Can we lynch Xfire today? If not, I'll look at Vivax and DP again and see which one I want dead most. It's probably either at this point. you need to stop saying "can we lynch into some random person instead of someone who is a confirmed liar" that's bad, acro. you're the one with thread influence here and don't do that. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: To be fair the framer is only confirmed if you think I am town. let's have a sensible conversation DP. When there are literally about 7 players who are very likely to be checked (i listed them earlier), why do you think it's a bad idea to distrust a redcheck when the percentages are very high? | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:44 DarthPunk wrote: Because the red check is the exact opposite to my reads. and you are pushing it really hard. So my biggest scum read is pushing his largest detractor with a red check that could be unreliable. super hard. even though hero 'could' be scum or vivax could have been framed. na, you sounded pretty convinced Hiro was town, you even went with the exact same reasoning i went with. whether i'm pushing it or not is irrelevant. also you've never given any sort of strong read on vivax. you're bullshitting hard. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:47 DarthPunk wrote: If a cop checks someone then a framer is likely to use similar reasoning to frame that person. Anyway This is going nowhere so I am disengaging once again. "my argument has been crushed so i'm going away now" | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:49 DarthPunk wrote: Whatever makes you feel better marv. When this is all over I will be content that I wasn't cowed by your scum play. you're still running away from an argument you can't counter... | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:52 DarthPunk wrote: we will just repeat ourselves ad nauseum and crap up the thread. It is pointless and anti town. I won;t convince you. YOu won't convince me. We are done. yeah. running away from the argument is what that's called. you came across a point you can't counter and so you say "i don't want to shit up the thread". | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:57 Acrofales wrote: Guys, is accute dyslexia a thing? I'm having real trouble reading all of a sudden. This is serious and not a joke. I am having trouble focusing on individual letters. It's super weird :S don't give a shit. you're nto voting for vivax. | ||
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he can talk to me about his medical conditions when i'm not about to be lynched. where is slOosh inn all this? conveniently disappeared once again? he sure must be real "busy" | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:02 Crossfire99 wrote: Well, if he really had a sudden medical condition, I would want him to get checked. Maybe I'm just nicer than you if he has a medical condition i hope to god he's not looking for advice in a mafia thread close to lynch and he does whats needed to be done. relevant advive already given. | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:22 Crossfire99 wrote: Don't worry he will. Even if he doesn't (and you're not mafia of course) I wouldn't blame the loss on you. You definitely put the most work in out of all of us. You should definitely put the blame on people like me who are town but still suck hardcore and mess up everyone's reads. no, this will be the first game in forever all my reads have been atrocious and if vivax is town i know i have to be lynched tomorrow. it makes me nervous and sad. | ||
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On March 18 2013 22:47 Acrofales wrote: I didn't go to the doctor. I talked to my flatmate and she said something similar happens when she uses the computer for too long without her reading glasses. I've never had eye fatigue before (and I've been using computers intensively for about 20 years), but I guess it's possible. I did spend all day at the computer. So I just took a break from the computer and then went to bed. I'll go to an optician, but for the moment it all seems well Anyway, I think this means we lost? Only power roles can stop us from losing? If not, then HiroPro clearly scum. Anybody buying his framer bullshit is stupid. A 1-word description of that role? Makes no sense. Lynch HiroPro. His buddies are DarthPunk and Crossfire99. Final two are somewhere in risk.nuke, sloosh, yamato and marvellosity. I particularly don't like risk.nuke's play today. Yesterday I had him as an either/or with DP, but I reconsider. His push onto DP was not forceful at all... and now, with his 0 thread presence he comes in and yells how stupid town is for lynching Vivax. Where was he when this was all going on? My guess: giggling at town's stupidity in the scumQT. i've basically stopped playing because i've been so awful this game but i still think 4 scum is what's being searched for, not 5 risk is probably town. | ||
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On March 18 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote: nice delurk Risk.Nuke don't do this. de-lurking = posting. he has to post. | ||
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On March 19 2013 00:34 Stutters695 wrote: Or rather since you obviously did, what makes you think otherwise? Ok I had a re-read. Kinda boils down to a couple of things 1) not being around/caring for the lynch as risk explained, deadline is 4am for him. I don't expect anyone to stay up past midnight, so *shrug* 2) risk is a bit of an asshole yes, but that's just risk. he'll sit there and berate town as town just fine and dandy. 3) didn't really push DP had a quick dip into risk's filter, and while he was here he did push him decently consistently. I see very little motivation for a mafia risk to suddenly put his head above the parapet this cycle and start trying to direct town. Mafia are doing just fine and dandy beforehand. Why bother? | ||
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On March 19 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Again, with you saying stuff like that, marv as town is also likely to be left alive. So we lose the game on a policy lynch. Wonderful. Again, there are at least 3 other scum hanging about, why lynch the 'lynchbait' when you can lynch one of them lol ouch fair, but ouch | ||
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got totally thrown by corazon refusing to interact with town and then foolishness having at least 2, probably 3 mafia reads wrong, and i thought that had to make him mafia. generally just a downhill, overemotional pile of crap from my end. i'm not used to being so hilariously wrong so I'll have to come back to this game in a couple of days to filter the mafia, and resolve never to play this way again. I can't remember having a game like this so I need t make sure it doesn't happen again :/ | ||
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On March 20 2013 02:16 austinmcc wrote: HiroPro had to send erotic messages to RB. We thought you might be the inventor, so blocked you with: "It's just you and me tonight, I whisper, as I put some sexy music on repeat and settle down onto the bed. The muscles inside the deepest, darkest part of you clench in the most delicious fashion. Your insides practically contort with potent, needy, liquid, desire. We pick up the rhythm...up, down, up, down...over and over...and it feels so...good. Between my panting breaths, the deep down brimming fullness...the vehement sensation pulsing through me that's building quickly, I watch you, our eyes lock, and I realize, finally...I got caught up in the Crossfire." not gonna lie, i'm kinda turned on | ||
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