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On March 14 2013 10:06 slOosh wrote: He is also 100% sure that yamato is scum so that's a null point. Instead of pointing out the (what should be) obvious gaping logical holes of scum Foolishness' "case" in determining the three reads, you go after something inane. C'mon - rip it apart marv! There is actually plenty of reason to lynch yamato first - him flipping red does a lot to the current playing field, which is why I'm waiting on supersoft / Foolishness. no marv is right we gots to cut off the head | ||
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On March 14 2013 10:17 Vivax wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H48y2h0.gif) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Cool speech. Summary: 1. Marv is calling to be a lynch option over others and telling town to not consider anything besides him and Foolish. 2. There are 5 scum in this game and town should only consider two guys for lynch. Of which one is alleged scum and the other alleged town. 3. Marv just did a mistake. He had crossfire as scum here (snipped, it's his wishywashy read post): and when it's day he never gives another opinion on him except this: So basically, Foolish is asking for a crossfire lynch. And marv, instead of agreeing with Foolish on lynching their common scumread Crossfire (given that - If crossfire flips scum then marv shouldn't doubt Foolish anymore, which is the wisest choice), says we should only consider marv and Foolish for lynch. Would you do this as town? Well played marv, well played. You are the most aggressively terrible person I've ever seen play this game. | ||
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On March 14 2013 10:17 iamperfection wrote: ya marv never gets pissed when a vet attacks him thats bs http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&user=140487¤tpage=All palmar tunneled marv the entire game and marv had fits of rage several times This looks nothing like the lazy scum marv i'm used to seeing and he shown great interest and the lynch and everything happening in the thread. This looks like town marv to me. Would town Marv really try and run "I'm town because I've posted more one liners than in any of my previous scum games"? Like, really? | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:12 austinmcc wrote: Digesting. One small initial thought. I think Foolishness's post reads well. I also think that he's not being entirely truthful. The read on marv feels legitimate, but him being a batman-posting/unlynchable/1-shot vigi? That's bs. I don't trust that at all. Makes me not trust the post as a whole, because if he's actually coming clean here and making a big towncase, he's not doing a good job of it when he's also hiding/altering information. Can I prove that he's lying? Not really. Does it seem that it is? Yeah. It feels like he's crafting a role to explain all of his behavior, and that doesn't pass the smell test with me. This is extremely true Austin thank god you're town, with sloosh all slushy we needed a "townie boy scout" | ||
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Marv I eagerly await your digging in to foolishness's narrative about his actions. I will not vote until I read that post from you. Tbh I find it unlikely that corazon and vivax are scum together. However I think it is likely that corazon is scum. However I also think foolishness and vivax's interactions make them look like scum together. Unsure what this says about vivax for me. Still think risk is scum, same reasons as last time. Austin and Yamato, care to give me reads on risk? | ||
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Anyone who quotes vivax from now on gets a scummy point. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: This completely refuses to look at the scum-motivations for using it day 1, just the absence of supposed town-motivation. Kurumi is potentially a perfect person to announce as town as thread in day 1 and maybe make mafia waste a kill on him. Kurumi was a total liability - as town I fucking LOVE the idea that mafia might be shooting at a martrying Kurumi instead of VE, BC, me, supersoft... well almost anyone you like really. Foolish says there is no point in using the role day 1 as town. Well, what's the point as mafia? To get rid of a martrying liability for town, Kurumi? Is Foolishness arguing here that Kurumi was a positive town-force in the thread, and that town would be much better off with him around, continuously demanding votes and martrying himself? How is this even an argument? Mafia tend to hold their day-vig shots. Example is LX, where Chezinu waited until Day 2, to vig someone who was flying under the radar, but looked town, and more importantly was heavily pressuring mafia (Vivax). Vivax, the most impulsive player on TL Mafia, had a day-vig in Fruity Mafia but only used it on Day 2 to concede the game. Actually impulsive, rash shots are almost always the preserve of townies. Mattchew shooting 5 minutes into PYP: Redux. Some game long ago where VE got shot 15 minutes into the game. I'm sure there are other instances but generally speaking bad day-vig shots done in a bad manner are the preserve of townies, and not mafia. Foolishness has been around long enough to know all this, yet he's arguing otherwise. To reiterate, Foolish says "The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1" yet history shows completely the opposite, townies use their day vigis freely, and mafia are much more scared and prone not to using them recklessly. Mafia want to look as good as possible with their shots, they want to mitigate damage. Mafia has no motivation to vigi someone who is shitting up the thread on Day 1. Irrelevant to the real question at hand (alignments of marv and foolishness), and also not correct. + Show Spoiler [why is that incorrect] + Drazerk as antitown third party shot VE five minutes into Aperture. Mattchew would shoot someone at the start of the game if he was a scum dayvig too. That's analogous to mattchew deciding to claim self-aware miller without talking to his teammates or checking whether millers are or are not self-aware, after the host had already told other players they were not. + Show Spoiler [other stuff about yamato] + On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: In his town-game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults and we'd know about it? Let's see shall we? HE LITERALLY USES THE WORD ASSHAT THAT FOOLISH SAYS HE USES WHEN HE IS TOWN. On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: There's more in his filter, go look for yourselves. I think I've adequately described how what FOolishness is saying is complete bollocks. He IS doing the things that FOolish is saying he does as town, yet Foolish is calling him mafia. okay i get this part. the implication being that foolishness as town would make more sense? + Show Spoiler [stuff about crossfire] + On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: The first paragraph he's using here is an argument that because Crossfire was in no danger of getting lynched, he'd purposefully put himself immensely in the spotlight as mafia by launching a nuke at Foolishness. This makes little to no sense. Further, slOosh's explanation of his role was that he made the PMs he sent sound like the receivers of the nukes HAD to use them or bad things would happen. So he was compelled to use the nuke. But Foolishness glosses over this completely. And to the "out of the blue" comment. Apart from what I just wrote, I will reiterate that town are usually impulsive and doing things out of the blue. Mafia sit back and blend in, townies have no fear. This is really basic mentality stuff that Foolishness fails to grasp, or rather is twisting in a ridiculous fashion to fit his narrative. Dandel Ion commented very well on the 2nd paragraph I quoted here. We should all be able to agree that Crossfire on Day 1 was playing quite far outside of his town meta. And yet he's calling it inconclusive. He then again uses the faulty nuke logic to call him mafia. No no no. On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Do you remember earlier in the game when supersoft said a good case provides pros and cons? Of course Foolishness fails to mention Crossfire's behaviour at the deadline, he also fails to mention how Crossfire behaved with his explanations about the nukes. Like austin (and others?) pointed out, he came across as genuine and sincere here, but of course this is missed out entirely. foolishness's town cases don't do this kind of pros and cons stuff. Example: clicky. I don't think many people's cases ever do; they're trying to persuade people, not walk them through their thinking. This point is not good. + Show Spoiler [corazon stuff] + On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Corazon. The only at all trolly thing that Corazon has done this game is to do his King Of Hearts thing, which is VERY EVIDENTLY part of his role. How is he using this as a comparison to past games? If we take out his role-related King of Hearts thing, Corazon is quite clearly playing very, in fact far too, seriously, which here Foolishness himself admits is how he plays mafia. I've talked about Corazon enough, but to remind you, his constant questions to town of "are you SURE there isn't someone scummier than me?", his blind tunnel on yamato, and his refusal to comment on Foolishness are all damning. To repeat, according to Foolishness' own analysis, Corazon IS playing a 'serious' game apart from his stupid role-related stuff. THere is literally no light-heartedness, he's cursing people, he's refusing to play, he's martrying, he's refusing to engage in conversation. This is fun, trolly, town Corazon according to Foolish? What a load of shit. The rest of his post is regarding me, which I will make in a separate post to expose more of this guy's nonsense. This part is good at persuading me that foolishness is wrong. Marv - we can all tell that foolishness wasn't paying enough attention to the thread But none of this is the meat that I'm really looking for, Marv. I don't really want you to pick apart his cases on other people. We've all noted that they were subpar and that it's odd that while his best case argumentation was on why you are scum, he called for the other two lynches first. But what I need is some response to his answers to your case. | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:40 austinmcc wrote: If anyone can get a legitimately strong read on risk.nuke without using activity level or associations concerning who he's been pushing/defending, then they're seeing something I'm not. i will take your challenge | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote: marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:06 marvellosity wrote: The point about Crossfire, s&b, is that he refuses to account for the 'townie' things that Crossfire has done. If his case had explained why the things that the rest of the thread perceived as townie (last minute deadline, nuke reaction) then I'd understand. he doesn't "refuse" to account for them, he just doesn't account for them. it makes his case less persuasive than if he had found a way to explain those actions as coming from scum motivation. but the post wasn't a case on crossfire, it was a case on you, and the crossfire thing was almost an aside. Actually, this might be a tell as well - I just looked through all his town games for the past ~ two years and I can't find any where he's made a "big case post" that wasn't just focused on a single case about a single person. The closest he's come was a big "reads in case I die" post in like TL L. I assume that's because he knows that's how to best lead a town into agreeing with you on a lynch. However, as scum he has included secondary cases in his "big case post" in Parallel Worlds, for example. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: strongandbig, do you contend then that mafia are more impulsive than town with their actions? I think you know that's blatantly untrue. You know that's untrue because of how crafted your miller claim was in Death Note. You know this is true because you're more impulsive as town yourself. im saying impulsiveness depends more on the player than their alignment. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote: this just means you're not very good dear. ouch, burned | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote: Just to elaborate on what I said about s&b. This is mafia s&b on Day 1 of Chrono Trigger: no, tbh i stand by what i said there 100%. in the situation where there's a mayoral election between you and veterans who you respect, i expect you as scum to be much more likely to run for mayor than you as town. | ||
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On March 11 2013 04:35 risk.nuke wrote: ##fos "useless" s&b scummy points On March 11 2013 17:14 risk.nuke wrote: How scummy would scum Acrofales look if Acrofales did roll scum? However those who would call themselves my friends still will not see. If yamato is town sloosh looks terrible (or rather more terrible). These are exactly how a mafia accusing a dumb townie post would look. and in combination with his lack of townie points On March 11 2013 01:42 risk.nuke wrote: Because if he's telling the truth keeping a power like that secret is just destructive to town. townie points On March 13 2013 18:39 risk.nuke wrote: Morning, I know you think my scum meta is to disappear but I assure you I haven't lost interest in this game. Over the nightphase I was content reading, I'm back now to discuss lynches. on claims So supersoft is still alive during this cycle as confirmed town. Sloosh's claim is extremely weird but it sounds like he will be doing a kamikaze at midday so lets leave him alone and see where that goes. scummy points On March 14 2013 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: We shouldn't be to worried about the nukes. With 2 it's pretty much guaranteed some there are duds in this. Don't let it sidetrack lynch discussion. And unless the nuke-senders claim their nukes are duds before they hit. Assume they didn't know they were duds. townie points After taking the risk.nuke challenge, I've changed my read. I no longer think he's "likely scum". Instead I now think he's town. A closer reading of his filter led me to conclude I missed a few of his reads because they were disguised as spammy one-liners, but he actually does have reads and followed up on some of them, to a certain small extent. And he has a few posts that seem more likely to come from a pro-town mentality. So compared to several other people in the thread, I no longer think he's one of the most likely scum. So risk, some questions for you: - During day 1, you were pretty strongly of the opinion that Sloosh was scum. How has his "gambit" and his explanation of it changed your read? - During day 1 you also thought acrofales was scum, any updates on that read? | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:20 DarthPunk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote: Marv is like a huge fat cancer on your dick, you really love your dick and wish the best to him, and you are happy that it looks so big now, and the cancer grows and grows but you don't realize that one night you will die to it. It will kill you. You thought that it was fine that your dick kept growing, and the cancer didn't even look ugly so you leave it where it is. And there are doctors who tell you : "You have to cut that cancer off" and the cancer tells you : "If you kill me you will lose your dick let's kill those people who want you to lose your dick, let's kill the best doctor around cause he will push people to cut your dick" And all the while you don't realize that you and your dick will survive if you remove the cancer, but the cancer is too strong and looks like it's helping your dick, so you keep the cancer around even though it doesn't stop growing when you tell it to. All of this ending in the best dick surgeon of the country dying to an angry mob who wants to keep their dick. + Show Spoiler + Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. Best. Thing. EVAR. lololol i was really worried about clicking that spoiler | ||
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On March 15 2013 05:14 marvellosity wrote: That's good analysis austin, the only problem with the conclusion is that both supersoft and I believe Oats to be town thats not a problem with the analysis, you're being sloppy with your logic. It's an outside piece of evidence that you think should weigh against the analysis. btw, why do you think oats is town? Still the same reason as before (non-specific "meta read" based on your gut impression)? | ||
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in that ginormous reads post, marvellosity wrote: Oatsmaster. Suspicious of a lot of people, that's how he plays town. He is always all over the place, he asks stupid questions, and apparently contradicts himself quite a bit. this doesn't make him mafia. Oats plays SCARED as mafia. is better than On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b | ||
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youre missing the ... on day 1 if you keep decafchickening you stand a pretty good chance of getting lynched | ||
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