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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 00:17 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:13 Vivax wrote:
The thing is, people are less prone to believe your scumreads if they believe you're scum in the first place. I don't see why Foolish should completely disregard defending himself just cause he claims to be unlynchable, also his post was a long story of thought process throughout the game, so the points to his defense come, let's say naturally.
Look austin, from your perspective, it's the start of the day, so a lot of people want to lynch you. You could simply tell your scumreads, or you could tell your scumreads and defend yourself to make yourself more credible.
The latter is always a better option, unlynchable or not. We agree that you should still be defending yourself and getting reads out there. But his defense is suspect to me, because of his claimed role and because he seems to have taken A and B into account, but not C, which I don't understand. He also didn't defend himself at the start of the day, he waited until all the nuke stuff blew over. That's...neither here nor there, I don't think that matters all too much, but at the start of the day he got like 4 votes and some other suspicions, nuked yamato, and then peaced out for half a day (apart from dropping a weird comment on risk.nuke). Instead of explaining himself, he fired the first nuke of the day and dipped, and you saw what the thread was like for a long time.
Well, regarding his nuke: If SlOosh is town then he couldn't know it was fake so he fired his nuke at yamato thinking it was real, he didn't fire it against marv like he would if he was scum and marv town.
I already mentioned this several times however, with marv counter-arguing that he fired the nuke at yamato cause we would argue that he's town for that. But that only makes sense if SlOosh is scum, which seems unlikely.
Why is it unlikely? People were unwilling to lynch nuke targets to see what they flipped. So if SlOosh was scum, he could have stayed silent and hoped to win another day for Foolish without revealing that he created the nukes.
So Foolish tried to vig his scumread, not a supposed town DT/JOAT or whatever.
Therefore he's town.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 00:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2013 00:26 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy Crap reading this thread is painful. I've skipped a good 30 pages at times and I've missed very little important stuff. Only scum wants to skip pages cause they already know who is scum/town. So therefore nothing is important to them really. Also their scumbuddies can notify them about important things. What are you saying here? It sounds like you are calling yamato scum without actually calling him scum? Care to clarify?
He shot a townie (Kurumi) over his scumread (VE) with the argument that Kurumi voted for himself.
He made that decision within 13 minutes after the vote, while Kurumi was under suspicion from other players, for roleplaying in a roleplaying game, after claiming a role that scum would never claim cause it was so good.
Is yamato townie enough for you?
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Oats if Foolish speaks the truth about being unlynchable then scum doesn't care if it's no-lynch today but town will still be in the dark after this day without having accomplished anything.
On the other hand they will have some more people to kill off tonight. Hint: Marv not dying + he has the excuse for it since Dandel keeps saying he will protect him.
If I can give you a hint for posting: Don't fall victim to get yourself dragged too much into conversations (It's ok at times). Do your own thing, don't get pulled into longish conversations about single posts like marv and darth try to get you into.
Go dive some filters, look at important moments during the game (lynch, nuke firing, night hits and their targets).
I often ask quick series of questions too (when I shouldn't) , it's normal at times but there are a lot of people in this game who only lurk in the last page of the game and don't pull out stuff from earlier pages. Those are people like marv and Dandel.
There have been a few times where the game has been properly readable cause people stick to writing long posts. Austin hardly ever spams, he's a fine poster.
This as future guideline if you have comments a la "Oh well you did that too in this and this game" then keep them to yourself we look forward here when it comes to pushing useful play.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 01:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:44 Vivax wrote:
Oats if Foolish speaks the truth about being unlynchable then scum doesn't care if it's no-lynch today but town will still be in the dark after this day without having accomplished anything.
On the other hand they will have some more people to kill off tonight. Hint: Marv not dying + he has the excuse for it since Dandel keeps saying he will protect him.
If I can give you a hint for posting: Don't fall victim to get yourself dragged too much into conversations (It's ok at times). Do your own thing, don't get pulled into longish conversations about single posts like marv and darth try to get you into.
Go dive some filters, look at important moments during the game (lynch, nuke firing, night hits and their targets).
I often ask quick series of questions too (when I shouldn't) , it's normal at times but there are a lot of people in this game who only lurk in the last page of the game and don't pull out stuff from earlier pages. Those are people like marv and Dandel.
There have been a few times where the game has been properly readable cause people stick to writing long posts. Austin hardly ever spams, he's a fine poster.
This as future guideline if you have comments a la "Oh well you did that too in this and this game" then keep them to yourself we look forward here when it comes to pushing useful play. lol. here's Cora accusing me of bringing things up from way earlier in the game: Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 12 2013 08:00 marvellosity wrote:Corazon, can you tell me the difference between these 2 quotes please? They seem to be contradictory points: On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town.
On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one. No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. Why are you bringing this up almost 48 hours after the fact? If you wanted to call me out for it you should have then, not now. Yamato's normal town play is abrasive but purposeful. His play and reads this game has been all over the place. Many calls of scum, only a small percentage of them have been followed through with actual evidence. Way to go, Vivax!
Tell Cora, not me.
Also thanks for spamming some more.
On March 15 2013 01:48 supersoft wrote:
on the road: Part 1 reads:
yamato, acro, oats
are town.
this is my final stance on them.
i am curious though, why vivax wents for acro after i called his filter interesting; because i didnt call it interesting because of scummieness. acro actually has some useful contributions, that convinced me that yamato must be town.
acro himself is town, because he was flying successfully under every radar with useless play and shaped up immensly without any pressure.
my read on oats bases on page 0-130. his latest flipflopping however only shows his interest in lynching properly.
therefor it's still accurate!
Did you read what I wrote about Acro's strange behaviour regarding Foolishness and Ver?
I would also like you to bring up Acro's contributions that convinced you that yamato is town. Also Acro has been asking really disruptive, pointless questions around the time when you and SlOosh were around. I hoped you had noticed it too.
It looks like Foolish dies (or not) today anyway so well, if he actually flips and is town we instalynch marv if he survives the night. That will stop thread page growing rate by, what did I say, 18,8 % or something along that and marv is likely scum anyway.
As for yamato, I stick to the argument that scum wants to keep him alive purely based on voting patterns and cause he would be an easy mislynch plus the other thousands of things I wrote about him, how he shot Kurumi etc. etc.
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Marv is like a huge fat cancer on your dick, you really love your dick and wish the best to him, and you are happy that it looks so big now, and the cancer grows and grows but you don't realize that one night you will die to it.
It will kill you.
You thought that it was fine that your dick kept growing, and the cancer didn't even look ugly so you leave it where it is.
And there are doctors who tell you : "You have to cut that cancer off" and the cancer tells you : "If you kill me you will lose your dick let's kill those people who want you to lose your dick, let's kill the best doctor around cause he will push people to cut your dick"
And all the while you don't realize that you and your dick will survive if you remove the cancer, but the cancer is too strong and looks like it's helping your dick, so you keep the cancer around even though it doesn't stop growing when you tell it to. All of this ending in the best dick surgeon of the country dying to an angry mob who wants to keep their dick.
+ Show Spoiler +Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later.
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On March 15 2013 02:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote:
Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. Why would I look hard into Acrofales when there are more pressing matters at hand? Why are you castigating me about Acro when confirmed town supersoft is calling him town? What's the use in it? Are you going to call supersoft mafia now for calling Acrofales town with his final answer?
So someone who looks odd to you is not more pressing? Prefer to keep talking about the guy with 10 votes on him?
You refuse to comment on Acrofales or mention anything substantial about him at all. That doesn't look like town marv who actually says what's scummy about the people he finds scummy.
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You say x is scummy and I ask:
"But marv, I think x is scummy, too, what's so scummy about him, why did you call me bad things earlier when I posted stuff against x, why not comment on them?"
"Supersoft doesn't think x is scummy and there are more pressing matters at hand so I don't want to talk about someone I find scummy"
"But marv, which townie doesn't like to talk about the those he finds scummy?"
"errrr."
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But you didn't ask him anything substantial if I recall correctly, how do you rule him out so easily when you found him odd earlier? 
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Well marv I know you won't be able to do much about it but if that's the case then I find it odd that you gave out two different reasons in a short timespan when the latter reason actually shows the intent to share information.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 02:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote:
Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. Why would I look hard into Acrofales when there are more pressing matters at hand? Why are you castigating me about Acro when confirmed town supersoft is calling him town? What's the use in it? Are you going to call supersoft mafia now for calling Acrofales town with his final answer? On March 15 2013 02:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 02:29 risk.nuke wrote:On March 15 2013 02:26 marvellosity wrote:
I don't find Acro scummy enough to feel the need to comment on him, Vivax. It's perfectly simple. This thread already have one lazy poster. Do it to humor us. I've already mentioned - the scummiest thing that Acro did in my opinion is call Foolishness null for far too long. In addition, his early contributions were lacking, but that's partly at least because he was out of town at the weekend. Currently Acrofales is attacking Corazon hard, and with good reasons - i fully agree that Corazon is mafia. Worrying about a player who is attacking one of my two strongest scumreads is not a priority in the slightest.
Well anyway I just wanted to point it out, thanks for answering once in a while.
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Well SlOosh I have given up on pushing him I think. I still think he scum but at this point he sadly has the thread in his hands and can do what he pleases. It will teach town a lesson at least if he really is scum.
Anyway, we'll see soon enough if Foolishness is lynchable, if he isn't he will have to get killed at night anyway (and is confirmed town cause being unlynchable is OP for scum), so we will force the medics to protect him and then fun begins cause marv and Dandel claimed medic and want to lynch him.
If he's lynchable then he lied and will be scum and I will have had a terrible read (I don't exclude it, but I'm 99% sure he town)
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On March 15 2013 02:51 yamato77 wrote:
My thing is that if Marv and Foolish are both mafia, they have successfully made it nearly impossible to find their true scumbuddies today, and perhaps for a long while after this considering the state of the thread.
I don't want town just sheeping Marv. While I think he's right about all this, the way he's going about it is a little odd in my opinion. It could just be me, and I am known to be extremely paranoid, but something feels off about this lynch, even though I am fairly confident in Foolishness being mafia.
I find this post rather off.
You say you're confident but everything about this post says you're not.
Enough talking Foolishness anyway the bandwagon is rolling.
Yamato which townie would you shoot today if you had another shot?
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Actually, tell me who you want to lynch after Foolishness assuming Foolishness didn't exist please.
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On March 15 2013 02:54 yamato77 wrote:
If Foolishness is actually unlynchable then I am even more certain he is mafia.
It also makes Marv look 100000000000000000x worse.
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Are you kidding that's like giving town only x vigs and saying: "If you don't shoot this dude you lose the game".
Do you really believe someone with such a role would be scum wtf.
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So your only read aside from Foolish is me but I'm not your scumread cause I play like I would play as town? You just mention a few OMGUS arguments cause I agree with others who want to lynch you?
Remember the D1 bandwagon? 2 of those on that bandwagon were town and are now dead there might be a reason no?
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What makes me confident that we have a scummato here is that he didn't ask me a single question in that post of his. It rather sounds like he answers my questions and just wants me to fuck off despite having me as scumread, also he sounds kinda aggressive but you never know behind a computer screen maybe he is laughing hysterically
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On March 15 2013 03:33 supersoft wrote:
Vivax is a player, that will always be unreadable for me. His decisionmaking is different from everyone else in this forum. He's as special as chezinu and I will probably never be able to read him.
This made me go awwww.
But actually I'm just surprised you're not calling me insane but special lol (cause I'm not until I reach a computer and start playing mafia).
Anyway I looked at the meta Foolish linked and I still don't think he's scum.
However I'll quote Crossfire's meta again cause that does make me think he's scum and I would really really really appreciate if people noticed the differences to this game and commented on it when I help at spoonfeeding it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 05:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 05:11 Stutters695 wrote:
Arco can you expand on why you think if Foolishness is scum cross must be town? I'm not following that leap. Xfire fired a nuke at Foolish. Xfire didn't know the nuke was fake (unless Xfire, Sloosh and Foolish are all scum together and this was a GIANT TRAP). Therefore, if Foolish is scum, and Xfire is scum, then Xfire fired a nuke at his scumbuddy... out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. Not a likely scenario.
You use the same reasoning I apply to argue that Foolishness is town for shooting at yamato and not marv (for the case marv is town and Fool scum).
I agree with you on yours, you agree with your own, so you must agree with mine 
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On March 15 2013 03:18 yamato77 wrote:
LOOK, there are two ways I see this game being solved:
1) We lynch Foolishness and he flips mafia. Vivax, Corazon, Sloosh all look terrible, all are probable mafia. Prplhz might be last scum in that 5-scum equation because he in general just does nothing as mafia, and that's what we're seeing here. Could be any of a few lurking prospects, though, so I can't say for sure. ANYWAY, point being, it's obvious that Foolish wanted to live real bad so he lied about his role and told his teammates to defend him/try to lynch me, so all of the associations there are completely valid.
2)Foolish comes up unlynchable. What now? We wasted a whole fucking day trying to lynch someone that couldn't be lynched. Maybe it's only for today, maybe it's permanent. THE POINT IS, THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY TO TRUST HIM, AND TOWN IS STILL IN THE DARK, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS AS MAFIA.
Ways yamato sees this game being solved:
Point 1) Foolishness wanted to live real badly and thus lied about his role. So he mafia.
Point 2) Foolishness is unlynchable and didn't lie and that's exactly what he wants as mafia. So he mafia.
So basically, no matter what yamato listed here, Foolishness is always guilty and these are the only ways the game can be solved.
Other than that, I'm yamato's other scumread for a bunch of omgus reasons but he doesn't show the slightest effort in finding out what I'm up to, or quote me once, or call me out for something.
Other association stuff he mentions in that post:
+ Show Spoiler +So why does Marv look worse for this? Because all he's done today is tunnel the fuck out of Foolish. I've made many attempts to get him to do fucking anything else, but he doesn't. He gives noncommittal stances on everyone save Corazon, INCLUDING ME. He believes Foolish is CERTAIN MAFIA, but he expresses this sentiment in his filter today: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
Foolishness, in all seriousness, if you can make a serious case on yamato I'm all ears. Gogo. That quote is all kinds of out of place, given Marv's stances on basically everything else this game. Why does he express in lynching me AND listening to Foolishness when he's done the exact opposite all game long? Ugh, I hate that fucking post. It's my nightmares. It makes me think Foolish can't be lynched today, and Marv has gotten town all piled on to Foolish and 100% lynching him, and then it doesn't happen. What happens tomorrow if Foolishness doesn't die from the lynch? Chaos. And a probable mafia victory.
And a weak marv bus.
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- his uninvolvedness (over Ver and risk and prplhz lol)
- a bad throwaway read on Vivax (no, well explained and correct)
- his clear demonstration that he is not reading the thread, e.g. the nuke business (wrong, that's what crossfire is guilty of)
- his very convenient roleclaims. austinmcc has said a lot on this and he's said it very well indeed. Claiming unlynchable is very convenient, isn't it? prplhz has a power where he can be unlynchable once if he decides a day in advance, and yet Foolishness is simply unlynchable? No thanks. austin also talks about how he tries to use these other things like this supposedly dud shot on yamato (also incredibly convenient) to prove his townieness. It's all just so much nonsense.
(Dandel's and your roleclaims are convenient too, can't be the only reason to make you scum)
- his reads are poor or have inconsistencies. Nullish on crossfire earlier? no. yamato mafia? I've destroyed that case. me mafia? I've destroyed that case too.
(pretty generally mentioned but this game is big and I agree with his reads so I'm not agreeing with this unless you expand)
So far you keep riding on the point how you are more angry as town and as mafia and Foolish's super harmful lie marv, when you lied about your role.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 07:50 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 07:48 Foolishness wrote:
I make it a point not to read your posts. Does someone who is town want to tell me what's up? They are extremely well written pieces of analysis that break down your post. You would do well to read them. Not from you.
Can you explain what's up with that story where you stab marv. How does it finish.
Also are you only non-lynchable today like you claim or forever?
As for lynching yamato, not gonna happen in this game I fear.
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Well Corazon will flip town I believe but you will learn the hard way.
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