Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVIII

On March 06 2013 07:41 Krafla wrote:
Be gentle with me ;-)

On March 06 2013 12:49 Hapahauli wrote:


I can do it. I'm by no means a super-good scum player, but I've coached scum before and do know quite a bit about scum-play from an objective stance.

On March 06 2013 13:00 cDgCorazon wrote:


Don't assume there is an SK. But generally there is no coach for SK.

On March 07 2013 10:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ummm....Daypost coming?

On March 07 2013 17:31 nobodywonder wrote:
nope.

we need to create an atmosphere of clarity, and transparency and one main thing is no lurkers. thats why i voted bduddy, just want him to respond. we need a fundamental level of contribution. we cant have an afk town and win.

we cant let lurkers lurk. thats a very dangerous situation - can lead to mislynchs and town HAS to pressure to contributing.

On March 08 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote:
MLuneth is scum. Doesn't want to vote Nobodywonder but agrees his actions are scummy.

Discuss.

On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post?

On March 08 2013 04:37 OmniEulogy wrote:


As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit.

First thing

To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time.

However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party.

The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then.

I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly.

This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations.

On March 08 2013 08:46 MeatlessTaco wrote:


I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion.

There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now.

On March 08 2013 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote:

Not subtle mention at all, really. I know I have to stop making excuses for people here, but that's definitely a bad town thing too. Ok, no more free passes from me, fellow newbies. You make a bad call from here on out, no mercy.
Raven let's get something productive from you.

Day is winding down, bduddy still hasn't posted and the votes are split fairly even between him and NW. What DO you DO?

On March 08 2013 10:26 MeatlessTaco wrote:


You were very excited to start the game, letting us know T-10 min to game start. Then the game started, but you didn't post at all for awhile. One could make the case you saw your role and didn't want to start digging holes so you gameplanned or asked a mentor before proceeding.

If I thought you were more scummy than NW after you returned I would have changed my vote. It remains on NW.

On March 08 2013 10:32 MeatlessTaco wrote:


You were too coy even for a simple hello or friendly banter?

On March 08 2013 14:38 bduddy wrote:
OK... I have had a lot of stuff to do (yes, there are things that are more important than Mafia... like getting a job...), and I've been spending a while trying to read the posts here, but trying to catch up on so much stuff at once is a bit annoying. Anyway, as for nobodywonder, I can understand the suspicion towards me, and given that I've had an excuse of my own I'm willing to buy his excuse of being new.
I don't want to vote for Arctic Daishi, it would be a total waste at this point if he hasn't posted at all.
Rainbows is a bit... aggressive for my tastes. MeatlessTaco's bandwagoning onto CoS worries me a bit, but he seems fine other than that.
I'm actually most suspicious of TheRavensName - he wanted to excuse liars, he piled onto making a "joke vote", and as others have said he posted right before the game started and then was silent.

Again, I will definitely post more than once per day after this, I've just had other issues.

On March 09 2013 06:05 Frorgon wrote:
@nobodywonder I explained earlier that I was going to wait and see how bad certain people were lurking. My policy early on was to go after blatant scummy behavior over lurking on the first day. But you've done better in explaining yourself in the past few hours whereas bduddy has been nowhere to be seen. Basically I didn't want to jump to rash decisions. I hope to explain myself too.

On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote:


In this post:

You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation?

On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.

I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies?

On March 09 2013 06:46 OmniEulogy wrote:


Could you look over my case on Taco and see what you think I want to nail this S.O.B over NW or Arctic if we can but I'm going to need the majority of us to consolidate in order to do that. I believe you have it right here "I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways...."

But is Arctic really that much of a larger scum read? I'd wager no. They all seem scummy but the lurkers CAN'T all be scum.

On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco

I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself.

On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote:


I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched...

I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse.

On March 09 2013 07:34 OmniEulogy wrote:


that I'm an idiot and can't read people. I believe he's scum but I'm willing to consolidate on Arctic to save NW for D1.

On March 09 2013 07:33 MeatlessTaco wrote:


Shit just got real... I didn't expect that...

Yeah, I forgot I had never made a case against NW, he had only 2 posts or something at that point. He defended himself poorly, but eventually my read was that he was making an honest effort. Chew's behavior was unacceptable, you can't let someone float through 2 days of discussion, put down a vote and avoid scrutiny.

I stand by the concrete proof statement. All our scum reads aren't 100%. Being unhelpful to town has to still be a factor.



I didn't want the copout available: vote for the guy who hasn't posted yet. I never considered the possibility that he would de-lurk.



As for the criticisms against me: they are correct. I've been hoping that it I prodded everyone into action I would be able to have a ton on information for the Day 1 lynch. In this post in particular, I didn't want someone to vote Daishi and say "I'm pressuring a lurker, see I'm helping". It has been my strategy that votes are the best way to pressure people and force people to take a position.

In doing this, I was hugely hypocritical, because I didn't take too many positions myself.

Honestly, I never thought the whole NW thing to take off. I was waiting to strike on Raven and asked the mentor about it, but Raven's return didn't give me anything to be suspicious and NW was digging himself a hole.

I also assumed ( like 30 min ago while re-reading thread when I made that post), activity wise, that Frogron or Chew would be lynched.

On March 09 2013 07:48 MLuneth wrote:
My vote in NW stays the same because there has still been no coherent defence to tell me why NW is not scum.

I agree that other players are looking very suspicious too but I'm more confident that NW is scum than they are

On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Who was this directed at?

On March 09 2013 07:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey you know who's flown under the radar since the thread picked up and wasn't one of my original lurkers?
Rainbows.
I liked his play early game and if he shows up he may be able to help us decide one way or another.

On March 09 2013 08:04 bduddy wrote:
At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious.

What happens if the vote is a tie?

On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote:


NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today.

On March 09 2013 09:59 Arctic Daishi wrote:

Thanks, I thought the mention of Promethelax was particularly witty.

On March 09 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I would like to take FULL credit for this as I got the bandwagon going.
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 09 2013 10:13 nobodywonder wrote:
hehe well im spent, I look forward to what the lurkers Matriarch, Kafla say. Woot ~ exciting game

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 09 2013 10:39 OmniEulogy wrote:
I really don't just want to tunnel Taco for almost 4 days so I'm going to drop it but please tell me you see what I'm saying people

On March 09 2013 20:14 geript wrote:
When I was a little boy, I was playing with my toys in my room. My mother asked me, "Geript, won't you straighten up your room?" I looked at her and said, "Bitch, please. I done already done that shit. You can see the floor right?"

On March 10 2013 05:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

I prefer this Geript.

I wanted to see how it ended and read a couple of the 'old history' series and stuff...they're awful. Supposedly the final books and those ones were based on notes they found by Herbert himself but honestly it seems really damn unlikely; to me it seems like they wanted to create a whole different direction for the series to go, wrote a retarded backstory for it (thinking machines) and then made the last book tie into their retarded backstory so they could feel like they actually contributed. The writing and plot were absolutely awful.

On March 10 2013 06:54 geript wrote:
Why would you think I was talking about Dune?

On March 10 2013 07:14 OmniEulogy wrote:


you should have been in the first place If you don't think mafia was aware of their own targets you so silly. If we have a JK however and they were confused about who to jail, that would be a much larger loss for us. I'd say the target for a JK is fairly obvious but you never know what goes through peoples minds.

On March 10 2013 07:26 OmniEulogy wrote:


If you can't even admit that you replaced an extremely scummy lurker who was a definite lynch candidate, then we have a problem. However there isn't really any proof that he was scum so it comes down to how you act and what you bring to the table. If mafia is afraid of a new perspective then you might be a lynch candidate. How that is ironic I'm not really sure.

@Bduddy the only person who you could say defended Arctic was Luneth. The other lurkers didn't really give their thoughts and Taco safely switched by sheeping.

On March 10 2013 09:01 geript wrote:
Players I prefer to be pressured day 2:
Taco
Omni
Luneth
Frogon

On March 10 2013 09:49 OmniEulogy wrote:


Proves WoS is scum. Are you that stupid?

On March 11 2013 07:58 geript wrote:

IIRC, you preferred Taco to Luneth, could you expand on who you prefer for the lynch today?

On March 11 2013 09:52 nobodywonder wrote:
Well WoS, I'm worried about the lurkers too. If we mislynch (either Taco or Luneth) well...
first that would seriously suck. I really do think Taco is scum though...

l don't know honestly, whether to go after lurkers or actives. The lurkers are seriously hurting this game, at this pt, I think it's mostly MLunech, Matriarch and Krafla, though, Krafla claimed blue. So we could go after most likely MLunech and Matriarch, especially MLunech. N2 will be important for Krafla.

As for actives, we can re-examine the geript vs omni thing and what to make out of it.

On March 11 2013 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not expecting much from anyone honestly. This game is getting dangerously close to being ruined.

On March 11 2013 10:18 nobodywonder wrote:
^ Darn lurkers, they have to post at some time though. Yet we dont have replacements.



This quote still really bothers me. Strange defense of OE. May be important when we get a mislynch or good lynch.

On March 11 2013 10:23 Rainbows wrote:
apparently nothing is up at all *sigh* make interesting things happen. I already gave my stuff on ML and what I wanted from Taco... but considering neither of them have done anything since...

Maybe we should lynch Matriarch because she's a girl?

On March 11 2013 10:25 TheRavensName wrote:

Save it for when we don't got cases going.

On March 11 2013 11:14 OmniEulogy wrote:


correct me if I'm wrong but Taco hasn't come out and claimed I am scum has he?

Also, basically the consensus is that I've bussed every single scum suspect in the game at this point, and made a case against one when I could have just lynched Arctic... AND have set up to lynch another of my scum buddies? You guys are conspiracy theorists. It's expected to an extent in mafia but holy shit lol If I were scum this game I woulda placed a vote on NW and then pretend to be AFK while Arctic was being lynched. No reason for me to put myself out there this much as scum when myself AND Taco were not under any kind of pressure at all. But everybody agrees he's scummy and I just randomly decided to bus him half way through D1 for no reason?

This is what has been bothering me all game long. You people agree with my reads and continue to assume I'm mafia.

On March 09 2013 09:04 Mocsta wrote:
Vote Count

Krafla (0): WaveofShadow, TheRavensName, Arctic Daishi
MLuneth (0): Rainbows, nobodywonder
nobodywonder (4): MeatlessTaco, ChewOnStu, Rainbows, TheRavensName, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla, Arctic Daishi
bduddy (0): nobodywonder, Frorgon
Arctic Daishi (6): MLuneth. WaveofShadow, TheRavensName, bduddy, OmniEulogy, MeatlessTaco, Frorgon
ChewOnStu (0): Rainbows, MeatlessTaco, TheRavensName, nobodywonder
TheRavensName (0): bduddy
Frorgon (2): OmniEulogy, Rainbows, WaveofShadow, Arctic Daishi
MeatlessTaco (1): OmniEulogy, Frorgon, nobodywonder

No vote:
F
Arctic Daishi is currently set to be lynched. 1 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else.

On March 12 2013 04:13 Rainbows wrote:
I don't think that's evidence at all to lynch Taco. Mafia could have just as easily ganged up on NW (like they probably were, anyway).

Either way, it's what mafia COULD have done, in short, WIFOM. He's my second target right now, and I'd still prefer a ML lynch.

On March 12 2013 04:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Damn you all, the thread explodes after I leave for a while?
I read through it but have to read more closely to get a good idea of where we stand.
Some quick off-the-cuff thoughts:
Krafla - Either very devious mafia (getting some serious coaching/help or something) or super newbie. I'm leaning towards the second. Krafla you were not roleblocked by town, we don't have a roleblocker, only JK who blocked me.

MeatlessTaco - I'm still not set on changing my vote to him as he hasn't come back since the beginning of the day. Without more information I'm going to do a read of Luneth's recent (HORRIBLY FORMATTED) defenses.

MLuneth - Reading now. Don't think his case against Rainbows stands.

On March 12 2013 04:44 Rainbows wrote:
But I want my random vote D1 to be correct T.T

On March 12 2013 05:04 WaveofShadow wrote:

Because it's fairly obvious he could be lying. If you'll remember we had a few other people do the exact same thing, Taco's vote on Cos/Geript being one of them.

'Voting pressure' on lurkers who are barely in the thread is barely pressure at all, and is a scummy way of making your vote LOOK like it matters where it is. I learned this in my first NMM game.

On March 12 2013 05:32 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Did we ever figure out why there was no night kill?

On March 12 2013 05:38 geript wrote:

Reverse Misogyny -- Trying to say he's shooting blanks. That's just not nice.

On March 12 2013 05:39 Rainbows wrote:
Me and Geript are the scumteam, you got us.

Nutter Butter team completely destroyed by taco.

On March 12 2013 05:43 geript wrote:

I say hello to him again. Hello Bad Guy. How you doing? Why you want steal my nutter butter?

##unvote
##vote meatless taco

On March 12 2013 05:44 MeatlessTaco wrote:
##Vote: MLuneth

I don't see it, but you all seem to be so sure of yourselves.

On March 12 2013 06:06 MeatlessTaco wrote:


lol. Town will mislynch through day 4, but it should still be an easy town win. You don't need nor want my help.

On March 12 2013 07:06 Rainbows wrote:


Seriously?

Put your hubris aside and tell us your thoughts. WE CAN TRUST THEM IF YOU FLIP TOWN.

If you're scum, die silently.

On March 12 2013 08:19 geript wrote:
What if there are two mistakes?

On March 12 2013 08:38 Rainbows wrote:
I can't believe nobody wants to vote ml with me after his blatant lies. Oh wells.

On March 12 2013 11:00 geript wrote:
Hmmmmm. For the night is dark and full of evil.

On March 12 2013 21:14 MLuneth wrote:
I don't even

On March 12 2013 23:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
But did you really ruin it?
Thinking about it , is it worth checking your filter again Geript knowing what I know now? I'm thinking so.

On March 13 2013 11:23 Frorgon wrote:
So I wanted to discuss others who might be scum for future reference, even though right now I think MLuneth is definite scum that needs to be disposed of.

Omni

Not a good voting record here. Looking back at his entire filter, he's only voted on 3 people ever: myself, Arctic, and Meatless. 2 are confirmed to be wrong (maybe not in everyone's eyes but certainly in mine). He did change to Meatless before joining the AD bandwagon, but keep in mind that at this point Nobodywonder had a lot of votes, and if he was scum maybe he was hoping NW would get lynched without looking responsible. Then he cleverly set up another town for lynch day 2.

Now consider his thought process. Omni himself admits that his vote on me was done without much to go on besides lurking. That's fine; this can be a pressure vote and get the person to come out and contribute more. The thing is, he hasn't been consistent doing this. A lot of people in this game have cast several pressure votes early on and changed them. Not Omni. He decided to attack me before figuring that Meatless might be an easier and more convincing target. He then proceeded to tunnel Meatless for 2 days. No real talk about AD other than "yeah I agree he's looking scummy", and not much on Luneth at all.

Now the bickering with geript has been interesting. A distraction, perhaps? People started getting uneasy at the seemingly meaningless argument between them, which distracts from the real task at hand. And in the end Omni got his wish and got Taco lynched. This could still be nothing though because if its' Luneth and Omni as the 2 other scum, that's game right there. I'm just looking for connections and people working together. All I know is I want more actual contribution from geript and less stupid jokes. Easy for you to claim you've been onto Omni all along when a mislynch was happening anyway.

Rainbows

Looked quickly through his filter and he still comes up pro-town for me. For some reason when I was thinking about this earlier away from my computer I wondered if there was a connection between him and Omni, but there doesn't appear to be. Rainbows did vote for NW and myself on day 1 before lurking, but then he spent day 2 pushing for a MLuneth lynch relentlessly and given that Wave was killed for doing the same thing I tend to think that is pro-town behavior.

In Conclusion

I want MLuneth lynched today because he is scum and we will learn a lot from it. But I'm really starting to question Omni's bad reads. He posts a lot and people tend to listen because it looks like he put a lot of time into his cases. But just because a case is long doesn't mean it isn't filled with misinformation and inaccuracies. In fact, the chance of this increases. Also, I'm concerned about those who replaced the lurkers. You guys really have to prove yourselves because the lurkers were looking pretty bad before you came in. It makes it really hard to proceed with the constant change so if you guys aren't helpful I'm going to assume that you have something to hide. I look forward to hearing from everyone.

On March 13 2013 12:33 geript wrote:
Raven, where do you think Rainbows and OE are? I don't see a real reason for two people who have been active at points to go into lurk mode this hard.

On March 13 2013 12:44 geript wrote:
So are you buying my previous case on OE?

On March 13 2013 15:25 bduddy wrote:
Really? So the mafia blocked you without even knowing if you still had a shot or not? I'm not buying it. Who did you target and why? Did you breadcrumb, and why did you not night-post like last night?

Considering that we supposedly are supposed to know all the possible roles, is it really necessary that you hide important mechanics about how they work?

On March 13 2013 21:15 Krafla wrote:


Interesting thoughts on Omni here TRN.

Assuming it was a JK that saved you and WoS and a mafia RB that blocked me presumably now I am going to be perpetually RB'd or just outright shot at night?

On March 14 2013 01:57 Frorgon wrote:
I don't see how Rainbows looks suspicious right now Raven. There is no connection between him and Omni. Now if Luneth somehow flips town, as I've said Omni starts to look innocent and then Rainbows would have the same problem as Omni has right now, tunneling votes on innocent people. If Luneth is town then Geript and Rainbows are scum. Otherwise the two scum are Luneth and Omni. You seem to agree about Omni, but I don't think we learn as much if we vote him today, and a mislynch on Omni hurts us a lot more than a mislynch on Luneth.

On March 14 2013 02:20 Rainbows wrote:


Day 1 and subsequent days are different. Day 1 we have no info, Day 2 we go off D1's info. Ofc my play changed, because I'm not going to faceroll over random people for any little thing when I'm trying to nail scum.

On March 14 2013 02:31 Rainbows wrote:
@MLuneth

Suddenly, for zero reasoning at all, I don't want to lynch you anymore! Let's lynch Geript instead :D Nutter Butter is scum!

##Unvote
##Vote: Geript

On March 14 2013 02:36 Rainbows wrote:
I'm not interested in anyone elses response but MLuneth's, thank you.

Wanna lynch le Geript mans?

On March 14 2013 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:


Wasn't MLuneth from Australia or something? On the plus side, we have 30+ hours to lynch so no crazy rush.

PS: Something tells me this is just a ploy from Rainbows to get MLuneth to make a case. A noble attempt, I guess...

On March 14 2013 09:37 geript wrote:

No, if you're going to make a case, make a case; all you made we're some points most of which Sn0 already pointed out. I demand more.

On March 14 2013 09:53 geript wrote:

I've been thinking a while and I think this is the main reason why I'm suspicious of Omni. At the end of D1, Artctic was clearly the scummiest lurker around IMO by a wide margin. The points that Raven and WoS re: Arctic had made were pretty clear. Yet, throughout OE's filter even from early on he seems to be defending Arctic and deflecting to Taco. From a town perspective, I can understand why OE found Taco as many of us did, but what I cannot understand from a town perspective ESPECIALLY using 'scummiest lurker' as a guide is why OE would try to shift votes toward Taco who was FAR less scummy that Arctic.
I can understand why, from a town perspective, he would want to question seemingly random votes. However I cannot understand why from that viewpoint he would seemingly focus more on random votes on Arctic more than other seemingly random votes.
The last point that I can't understand from a town perspective is why he would stop pressuring a lurker to stop lurking once they posted a little bit. His premise is that lurkers are bad for town which is a simple and straight forward position to take from either side. Yet now he's completely lurks. If he (as town) really wants to push people to not lurking, then there is no reason to stop pushing them. From a town perspective with this basis he should be trying hard to fight against lurkers and pressuring them constantly. However, I don't see him doing that at all.
While his filter is longer, it doesn't look to me that he's doing more than trying to appear active and helpful. This is the basis of scum: he doesn't follow through on his perceived 'town' agenda--This is scum mentality. He also doesn't try to push his 'town' agenda (scummiest lurker) against the obvious target--Arctic--because it goes against his actual agenda of keeping Scum alive.
This makes him Scum. Vote OE.

On March 09 2013 08:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
hahaha it happens, quite a lot in mafia. NW voting for him was good imo unfortunately I don't think I'm gonna get any of you to move off Arctic unless Taco comes back and basically claims scum so, I still take responsibility for being part of the people who lynch Arctic and hopefully switching my vote now won't hurt any town credibility I had because I feel that we (the current active players) are working together quite well. If this lynch is right hopefully we can get on a roll.

On March 14 2013 11:33 MLuneth wrote:
Hello? I was one of the people who started the vote, expressing concern before most others. I didn't vote at the time because trying to get AD to wake up.


Tired of explaining this -___-

On March 14 2013 12:43 geript wrote:
I think it would be beneficial for people to start taking stances between Omni/Luneth as those seem to be the two primary reads. I'm not opposed to someone trying to make a strong case for against a third party instead (even if its against me), but to gather further information I think we need to start making people pick a side.

On March 14 2013 13:10 nobodywonder wrote:
^ For the swarm. Kill Luneth and then Omni. I'm tired of Luneth's BS, saying that he has been contributing to town. Nope. you haven't and lemme break down your contributions. You better start scumhunting.

On March 09 2013 10:04 bduddy wrote:
And also, we still need to keep an eye on anyone that defended or refused to vote for AD, even if they eventually switched (once it became relatively obvious that he was going down).
Matriarch, MLuneth, and Krafla never switched their vote; I'd be willing to bet at least one of them was scum trying to keep AD in it.

On March 09 2013 09:35 bduddy wrote:

I'm almost willing to believe him. Almost. AD, whoever your coach actually is, I would start PM'ing him some more, because it's not quite over yet. I'm still voting for you, though.

On March 15 2013 04:00 geript wrote:


Raven could you explain this to me. I wasn't in the last game that it seems like you and bduddy were in. Could you also detail who was town/scum in that game?

On March 15 2013 04:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Think of it like a school essay

No plagiarism (aka sheeping), Original research is required. If somebody else gives you an idea, thats fine but you gotta go pursue it and, well, make original content.

On March 10 2013 09:57 TheRavensName wrote:
Well Krafia did state a couple of times he had cases and had no intention of revealing them till after day 2 started. I suppose you could use this as semi eviddence or slight bread crumbing. Mafia could have easily picked up on this and blocked him.

On March 15 2013 05:12 geript wrote:



You mean these? That seems especially tenuous at best. Especially considering:

On March 15 2013 08:05 geript wrote:
As a reminder to folks: tl;dr case version on Luneth
1. No scum hunting period
2. Implied guilt out the wazoo
3. Called NW's case on CoS bad for no reason
4. Flip flops on CoS being a lurking pos
5. Flip flops on targeting lurkers being good
6. Does try to pressure anyone ever
7. Shit flinging as primary means of 'scum hunting'
8. Never gives a reason for anything
9. Is scum

On March 16 2013 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
I come back to the thread, and I see that MLuneth was, in fact scum. Without the benefit of seeing the flip, I still think Omni was a better lynch in that circumstance but at least we hit scum. The next thing I see is: "OMG SNO SCUM" from like 3 different people. Can somebody explain this to me or is just some silly knee-jerk reaction because I wouldn't jump on your bandwagon?

If you guys don't want to post too much before the night action deadline thats fine but I thought that we established that in order to make it hard for scum to blend in (something which we are clearly succeeding at), legitimate, well thought out cases were a pre-requisite to accusations this game.

On March 14 2013 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:


If you have to "trick" somebody into making cases it probably makes more sense to lynch them. If not, then my comment certainly shouldn't prevent MLuneth from responding in a reasonable manner.

I mean, how dumb does this sound: "Hey guys, I tricked scum into making a case..." :X

And as I said, if the target is town then you shouldn't need to "trick" them.

On March 16 2013 01:15 TheRavensName wrote:


Gotta be honest, seems like our successful lynches are gut feelings that just soI think happen to have passable case, nut what the hell.

On March 16 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Krafla's blue claim was pretty questionably done, and it just looked really weird (on a completely "first-impression" basis). Once I read through the OP and thought about the setup (and kinda settled into the game a bit) it became clear that it was in fact an uncontested blue claim that made some amount of sense. My gut impression on it was clearly wrong. Its obviously wrong to lynch uncontested blue claims without some serious good reasons, so I left off Krafla after that.

My point on bduddy was the only post he could remotely point to as "scumhunting" in a long stretch of his filter was throwing suspicion at Krafla, + Show Spoiler + and by that point I'd established that krafla was pretty clearly town (barring some really really weird scum plan that if it existed is obviously not working so hot).

Either way, I'm not gonna spend this entire night defending myself, it doesn't get us anywhere. Thankfully we have an 8-1 advantage on scum so we can afford this bullshit.

On March 16 2013 08:11 geript wrote:
Nah, I don't care who goes first/last. This is not about trying to prevent random craziness. This is all about getting people to take a position and inform town on the setup.

On March 16 2013 09:28 bduddy wrote:
Vanilla townie

On March 16 2013 12:48 OmniEulogy wrote:
yep, exactly. Unless it's like... Raven. I think Raven could get it to mylo this game if he just never kills anybody LOL would be a game to be recorded in newbie history!

However this really is just pointless chatter while we wait for the game to end. lol as you said Geript the fact you aren't dead right now but only RB'd is pretty big proof.

On March 16 2013 14:12 geript wrote:
Also for future reference, when you are given a nutter butter you are supposed to eat it. Not share it with friends.

On March 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:


I wonder that too XD.

The scum QT wasn't much help going in and it wasn't all that much help going forward either (Although the coaches definitely offered what assistance they can in that situation). Me and MLuneth were legitimately never on at the same time to discuss anything.

The last night kill thrown at frogron was based on the idea that if it went through, rainbows would call me innocent, plus I didn't really want to kill the guy who was obviously suspecting me. Killing a clear-thinking townie who isn't tunnelling me looks better.

I could have tried a WIFOM that scum didn't have to NK last night since I was a free mislynch today whereas if he NK'd then I was confirmed town, but that wasn't really gonna fly. Even though the reasoning is actually sound, there was just no way I wasn't getting lynched.

PS: I'm never active on weekends, so that is part of why the concession was late (and why I basically didn't even read the thread to see what the night actions were, although to be fair I knew what the results were).