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On February 27 2013 16:19 VisceraEyes wrote: What's with you and being first? It was a light hearted comment.. chillax. Hopefully this paranoia is because u know who I am, and *if im lucky* you respect my scum game or something. | ||
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On February 27 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: What paranoia? I thought maybe you were compensating for something... I am comfortable with the size of my e-peen. Happy to piss with what I got. Guess I wasnt lucky  *sob sob* | ||
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On February 27 2013 19:03 Vivax wrote: That's all then. Could you take a look at Hassy and tell me if you see anything scummy? Whats going on vivid axe? I am used to you outright calling people scum, and trying to get them to crumble. Now you are being polite but assertive... you get hit on the head or something? | ||
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LOL-Cakes. Whats the chances Vivid Axe was already aware of this? | ||
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On February 27 2013 22:02 The Milkman wrote: Firstly, is this a point about Macho... or a point about layabout?Seems like I have more time, so here is a quick note about Macho. He has been doing this roleplaying thing - fine, he is easily readable through that so no problem. At one point he started to shift towards Vivax lynch not Promethelax lynch. He seems to think that the biggest offence Prom did is leaving the thread. He attacks Vivax in the same post on the basis that he is trying to push people without concrete evidence. Then Vivax posts this bad post of his and Macho does a 180 and targets me. Then, layabout defends me... I know he likes doing that as scum. Lesson back will write more later Secondly, Im curious you find Macho "easily readable". Let me share a post about iamperfection in his concurrent game. On February 27 2013 From "This Town Ain't Big Enough" Now in that game; he gives direct scum read(s), fuck all justification. Typical iamp town core.Iamperfection Town. He literally blurts out his reads as he sees them. This is vintage iamp town play. He's confident and not afraid to shove it in your face - link Do not waste time considering him as scum. This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are. What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts. I won't bother asking to show fuck all justification, because the whole filter reads like that. At least that is common across the two filters. | ||
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I explained why before. I am vehemently against this plan and very disappointed with the sheep votes. This needs to be looked at in gross detail during the night. I should have run for mayor.. Me saying that shows how lacking the leadership is this game. See u after the flip. | ||
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I am so ambivalent about this. On one hand, its fantastic we nailed scum On the other hand: this whole vote swap shenanigan was *so so SO stupid and dangerous* I can understand Wade Fell grasping an opportunity to move into pardoner/mayor; but the sheep votes is appalling (e.g. Glurio - tell me who to move on (there were others.. he was the one that immediately came to mind) I am not saying everyone moving their vote is scum. The problem is: that town can be so easily swayed and willing to change stance in the last minute... this plays directly into the vote mechanics scum want for the next cycles. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us). So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me. Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged. See you tomorrow. Disagree entirely. And its been obvious you have been ramping up for this the entire D1 cycle. All you did was point out an inconsistency in Prome play. - and then disappear from the thread to play DOTA That doesnt make you town. The people that fleshed out the case with scum behavioral analysis were people like Dr.H and Wade Fell (myself I believe too). are certainly not purporting to being confirmed town... so it is curious you care so much about your image to enforce this belief among town immediately. ========= Toad.. give me 3 good well-reasoned points to why Grush is town. And association with prome does NOT count... prome could have stuck up for starsenses regardless of alignment. | ||
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On February 27 2013 23:28 The Milkman wrote: Everything besides last line is about macho, then I started talking about layabout because he had defended me and Macho was talking with him about why he did so. I find Macho easy to read because besides him referring to himself in funny names and superbia his short posts are straight to the point. On my way home so I can finally read that layabout filter. Nice and all.. but On February 27 2013 22:39 MilkSuckler wrote: This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are. What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts. I am still waiting for this.... | ||
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On February 27 2013 23:28 The Milkman wrote: Everything besides last line is about macho, then I started talking about layabout because he had defended me and Macho was talking with him about why he did so. I find Macho easy to read because besides him referring to himself in funny names and superbia his short posts are straight to the point. On my way home so I can finally read that layabout filter. Nice and all.. but On February 27 2013 22:39 MilkSuckler wrote: This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are. What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts. Milkman (I know you're here....)I am still waiting for this.... | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:39 Mocsta wrote: Y are u dodging my challenge milkman. This is now the fourth timr i am asking for u to back up ur statement macho is easy to read. Again. Who is macho top 2 scum reads... On February 28 2013 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Toad... The day vig request is pointless. Thy cant shoot day1 Having said that i find it unlikely u put him under that pressure day1 as scum. Not impossible though. Same goes to Ve. His uncertainty end of lynch was terribad toad. Im still waiting for three reasons for grush to be scum On February 28 2013 09:46 Mocsta wrote: Milkman im still waiting. Ur responding to everything else This constant dodging is looking suspicious as fuck now... On February 28 2013 09:47 Mocsta wrote: K bad timing. Sorry milkman On February 28 2013 09:56 Mocsta wrote: Fuckn phone auto log in will paste posts to my filter when i get back to comp On February 28 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: Pls expound why ur point 1 is indicative of scum On February 28 2013 10:04 Mocsta wrote: If anything he uswd grush as a medium to build a support vivax meta case i explained before why starsense is null at this point in time will quote it later | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: it's not at unless prom's in his first game of mafia which I'm pretty sure he's not. To be fair I can't tell you why he's mafia at all and I doubt anyone in here will be able to provide anything like that no matter of alignment because it's Grush but I am reeeeally certain he's not town. That only leaves mafia and maybe 3rd party to me, don't you agree? Just trust me again and you'll be happy :3 I didnt trust your read on prome before.. or anyone elses. I made my own decision on prome, and provided my own analysis. Lets assume Grush *IS* scum. So what.. he is so hard to fuckn read, and does nothing.. hes the ideal candidate to eliminate as the fourth or fifth scum. Lets assume we dont know Grush *alignment* - which for me is the situation Then the lynch is founded on nothing, other than uncertainty... thats not a solid lynch candidate for Day2 and puts to waste the efforts of lynching prome Day1. At least you admit outright you got nothing on him.. However, i am still surprised someone of your forum-mafia pedigree is treating this as valid scum hunting though? | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess. Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch... TOO EASY. I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?) Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good? I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you? One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves: Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game. I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum. I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points) VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play. Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle,I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:23 Toadesstern wrote: I have nothing? I'm about as certain about Grush as I was about prom. If there's no way he's town that's a pretty damn good reason to lynch him. And no, if we know his alignment to be red we don't wait and lynch him 4th or 5th trying to find other mafias first... don't pull a vivax on me... The 4th/5th candidate was because it reminded me of Mafia LIX with Oatsmaster. Me n Marv were dead certain on oats...WBG (and IIRC you) were opposed. we left him be (and chased higher profile targets like Chezinu) in the end, a scum oats didnt do much even being the 5th guy eliminated... which is a similar sentiment to a scum grush i believe. | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:28 The Milkman wrote: Milk, we lynch scum as soon as we get them. Of course, there might be bigger fish to fry but we hope that the little spawns are going to be taken care of by town kp, if not, we go for the guy who we think is more likely to flip scum, so just the usual game. Understand.. but I have not seen a substantial reason to consider Grush scum; or anyone make an effort to identify why his actions are only performed by a *scum* Grush. (I admit that is probably a very difficult undertaking though) Toad saying.. my gut says red for Grush.. is not fuckn good enough.. full stop.. this applies to anyone.. if the gut says red.. lead the pressure, and confirm the gut read. *If you must know.. I pushed FUCKN hard for a Grush lynch in Mafia LIX.. based on nothing but a STARSENSES in his first post... he was town; so yes, I do have some hesitance to vote him this early* ================== If you want to talk about useful town vig for this cycle.. i much prefer JJ > Grush. I haven't read Dr.H reasoning for JJ.. so hopefully this is new content Now that prome has flipped. i see an association with JJ. JJ stood up for prome.. we all know this. The question is.. why did prome decide to attack JJ in his final post I see the following options
Ignore JJ JJ already had enough suspicion cast on himself due to defending prome, that the thread was certain to follow up on him the followed day (exemplified by Dr.H etc) defend JJ This would cement prome as scum (he could perhaps still hope the lynch would move somewhere else in the next 24 hrs - which is reasonable to think (look at the mayor vote swaps). It would also create WIFOM of: is he defending scum or setting up town which leads to an uncertain outcome. attack JJ This is pretty easy to do, and might give prome legroom to escape lynch. It also gives JJ an opportunity to defend himself and revert his support on prome. The problem is you still get the WIFOM of "making a scum buddy look good... or casting doubt on a 'bad townie'" *IF* JJ is town, I believe "Ignore" would be the best course of action. You remove the WIFOM and have certainty of a follow up *IF* JJ is scum, you can not defend him due to the above. & ignore still leads to follow up. Attacking JJ gives the best chance of achieving scum objectives (avoid lynch, and get a better image) Look at how JJ defended himself... "I am a super vet player.. if you knew who i was.. i could write 3 times less and be 3 times more influential" An image associated defense ========== So in short.. i didnt think JJ was likely scum pre-flip because I have seen townies make the play he did before.. fuck. i seen town generate fake cases on ppl they were certain of being town to elicit responses. however with the association.. i find it unlikely now based on the interplay that JJ is town. I dont see how the above is less damning than Grush's filter for a vig case.... | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: + Show Spoiler + EBWOP - Layabout - I missed the explanation of your change of thought on Promethelax. My question is why didn't you see the martyring in his post? He had an opportunity to defend himself against my pressure before he went AFK before his farewell and he chose not to. Even without the time to properly do so, a townie would definitely be more aggressive in defending himself against the accusations. It was emotionless, deflated, that's what I'd expect. Vigilante - shoot JungleJorge tonight. On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. MachoMan is the easy choice. A trolly player who has been mostly unclear about his intentions. Surprised he wouldn't go for Vivax, but I think Vivax is scum anyway so that would explain it. But first, let's deconstruct this gem: Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. The thought begins by establishing that JungleJorge thought Promethelax was scum all along. He then claims the point of his defense toward Promethelax was to get a reaction out of him. 1. Why would a townie looking to pressure someone they think is scum do so by defending them? 2. Why would a townie ever intentionally defend someone they suspect of being scum? 3. Imagine you are scum being assaulted by town. Along comes a townie to defend you. In what way does this illicit a reaction or response from you? Would you thank him? Why wouldn't you just focus your response on your accusers to try to get free? The fact that Promethelax even responded is INCREDIBLY canned and staged. After all those people hammering him, the person he suspects is the single person defending him? Idiotic. This was a staged argument imo. "Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred?" - This is absolute nonsense. If you are scum, you would know who is confirmed as town. The reasoning is simple, defend the mislynch then reap in the cred when the person flips green. "I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch." - Great. Vig JungleJorge. Out of everything happening before Prom left the game, he chooses to focus his response on JJ's defense? I don't think so. Irk... this is similar to what i just posted.. im sorry. i honestly didnt try to sheep you (nor did I read this prior) | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: The fuck, Mocsta? You suspect yourself? Upon looking back at the horrible mess that was pre-lynch a couple ideas popped into my head but honestly they're not worth voicing because they're way too complicated and unlikely to be true. All the same I REALLY didn't like the Toad/VE fiasco... DrH and to some extent BH seem quote townie to me, DrH especially. If he's not town just like Zare early last game I'd be terrified for us all. I added myself because I have nothing to hide and I was one of the ppl who built a case on prome. I think its null I included myself.. I was active enough in promes lynch (in my opinion) that as scum I would have to consider myself in that list regardless. If you think I included myself in that list to then clear myself of suspicion straight after (by saying its unlikely I am scum).. well.. then you really need to read my filter and determine for yourself whether you think I am scum or town. | ||
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I would rather get you lynched than Vig'd purely for egotistical reasons  (I am sure you know what I am talking about hahah)and dear.. I have been investigating you the entire Day1 cycle.. but I am sure you already knew that | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:08 The Macho Man wrote: why do you say that? i see no super scummyness in his filter he attacks some of the huge names in the threads for whatever reason and seems to have no fear looks like a misguided townie to me Macho... I asked Milkman before to tell me who your top 2 reads were. he couldnt find ithem. Frankly. i dont care who you think is (misguided) town, cos scum know who is town. Please be all macho and provide your top two scum reads. | ||
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